ego supersedes your talent in a lot of ways I was literally willing to die for it and I mean that how did you end up meeting Eminem my homie uh Jim Johnson was doing satellites That Eminem record he's like yo seriously you heard wolf yet and he hadn't so he played on Pop the trunk and he filmed it and send it to me days later we were in Detroit there I was standing in front of Marshall I didn't give myself a plan B I was 30 years old before I landed a record deal so it was a long grind I run toward the monster mhm that's my way of dealing with fear I got to be face to face with it I can't turn my back on it can't run from I got to run toward it oh what's the new album War Story double album I called it War Story tipping my hat to love story and what we've been through since Love Story the soldiers we've become you know the soldier I've become the general the leader now it's by far my best hip hop project for sure yellow wolf welcome to the podcast appreciate it Ed thanks for having me man man I'm extremely excited to have you I've been wanting to interview for you for a while got a lot of good Nashville people in here and uh can't really think of anybody better than you so oh dude thanks man yeah man yeah one of the one of The Originals so when when did you actually move to Nashville um I moved to Antioch Tennessee first time well we went to Franklin when I was about seven 8 years old mhm and then from Franklin um we moved to Antioch and I was about maybe 10 11 years old so I spent my formidable years in Antioch and Nashville coming up you know I I eventually I moved to Atlanta um and then back to Alabama and then I've been back as as an adult in Nashville again for like uh 14 years now how old are you now 44 44 okay so graduated or I don't know if you graduated high school but 97 is was didn't graduate grad actually so uh I barely did so but I was 99 um where where did you go so oh so I went to 15 different schools okay I went to you know throughout those three states and um in Tennessee there was three schools in Franklin that I don't remember the names of uh and then there was Apollo Apollo Middle School I remember that there was a school before Apollo as well and then cardal AR Middle School you know before that's Davidson County if I remember they they would bus us actually from Antioch okay uh they were integrating the schools they wereing bringing kids from the projects to Antioch and sending kids from Antioch to the projects M which I I get what they were trying to do but they were just really creating a huge drug ring yeah connections everywhere in the city bigger gangs yeah um but um yeah I went to Hillsboro High School went to Antioch high school and then um then I went off to Atlanta went to a few schools there then to gadon fin finally to Southside where I spent really like about 6 months and um the school counselor called me in this true story and she was like hey uh I had already faed like four grades I was supposed to be a senior I was still in between ninth and 10th grade classes I I don't think I ever brought a book to school or even a backpack for that matter uh after sixth grade I just completely checked out and she was like um yeah I I think it'd be best if you just got your GED you know you can you can leave I was like I can leave yeah 16 man and um [ __ ] I I never look back man actually I went on a skate trip to Tampa skated Tampa Am uh which is a the biggest skateboard contest in the world in 97 so you were a skateboarder and like you met Edward you were uh through school or through like tagging through through ART yeah through tagging at school we met but through ART is how we connected I was had a Sketchbook I think in the lunchroom and I'm you know I used to write coma k m a and um you know I was sketching out some some burners or whatever and he looked over my shoulder he's like hey you're a writer and I was like yeah you and that that was it we were fit to be tied after that um and um yeah I think that day actually I was like let's go let's go right we were already hitting tunnels and tagging and [ __ ] by that night and uh we went back to his crib this is hilarious and um went down into his basement and uh he's like yo uh I do magic I was like what you do magic he's like yeah I'm a magician I was like really for real and he showed me all this [ __ ] he could like saw people in half and you know pull rabbit rabbit out of hats and [ __ ] and all kinds of car tricks okay it was just interesting most interesting person I think I've ever met Edward Crow yeah he he definitely uh definitely very talented who becomes a magician at 14 years old and you're a graffiti writer yeah I don't I I don't know I I never talked him about this so I'm going to dig in what what was the most impressive uh magic trick Edward did Chang my career um no um um he's got some pretty crazy card tricks you know like I know by I know the trick so you know as a as an assistant I can't tell man you see some of these uh mentalists doing their stuff like that Oz guy Oz Pearlman I think his name is yeah man I mean I've been watching the videos and just trying to figure out how he knows these things about their childhood you have any idea how they do this stuff I'm not sure I think that like I do believe some people are are honestly blessed and they I I do believe some people are mediums for real you know you just tapped in sure you know some people tap into to some [ __ ] you know I mean we all are tapped into something you know what I mean and if we exercise it enough it becomes unbelievable to someone who hasn't exercised that part of their mind or their creativity or whatever um I think with practice passion you can become amazing at pretty much anything you know yeah it's just uh it's it's just a very interesting part of the mind that he chose to tap into you instead of becoming a professional athlete yeah you know um but yeah my my grandmother's rest in peace Mama um she had that ability too you know what what would she do well she would uh actually um she she could like astral project and um she used to come like it's going to sound insane but it it's true she used to come like you know dream interact you know with me when I was a little boy especially you know I had some some um some trauma that was happening when I was a little kid and um I thought I was dreaming at at at the time she flew through my window pulled me out of the bed flew me around over the over the river tucked me in her house tucked me in her bed and I I remember waking up and crying I was like 5 years old and I had you know went through some [ __ ] that night and um when I was like 14 or 15 I was like Mama you uh I tell you about this dream I had I was like I never told you about this but I was you know I got beat up basically by my mom's um boyfriend and um uh I had a dream that you you came in my window and she said yeah and I took you and we Flew Over the River and I took you to the house and I tucked you in and she finished my dream she finished what happened y you know and I just grew up with that that mysticism and that that belief you know like ghost in the house that was a real thing you know and she was a self-proclaimed witch you know like she you know she believed in all that she believed in good you know Earth magic stuff like that so we had like a lot of stuff around we had Ouija boards around the house you know that's the kind of family I was raised around you know just that deep southern Mystic yeah you know lifestyle you do you uh you believe in like the spiritual are you are you spiritual person what you say yeah I'm definitely a spiritual person I'm not a religious person I I do believe in a higher power you know you know I'm as as life as you get older you know uh it becomes actually harder to Define than it than it was when I was a kid you know it's there's so there's more questions than answers so uh these days I'm just floating around you know and figuring it out um I that's a sign of maturity say there's more questions than answers because a lot of stuff years ago I thought I had figured out and now I'm like I know less now than I did than I thought I knew then in a spiritual sense absolutely you become smarter you you you get better at life but you you you you just you really scratch your head about what you thought you had figured out when you were kid you know I mean I used to I used to be really deep deep into it like you know as far as my own you know egyptology and numerology and um you know being a native to the stars and you know me and my crew we took it far there used to be this spot in Edington Georgia ran by this guy named Dr York and it was pretty much a cult you know uh he had redid the Sphinx and the Pyramid of Giza and scale size he had his own libraries and and a cult of people that would follow him and it was all about you know Jesus was an alien and you know and all and explaining and in detail what what species was from what galaxy and who they were and why they how long they've been there you know all those all that crazy [ __ ] and um which you know I was sold on it you know when I was a kid I was all about it and it still stayed with me like aliens and have always been a theme around my music and you know my fans my core fans know that it's always been a part of my you know I sneak in lyrics and the act the opening to love story was an abduction an alien abduction like a skit um but yeah like I said I know less now you know and there like I said there's still there's more question questions now than there were then I thought like oh yeah no yeah I got it figured out I didn't know [ __ ] you know and uh yeah I'm still learning I'm just a student you know yeah absolutely I find that way like with science like nine years ago I would have thought like oh I I know this this this and that and I've uh you know Dove head first like this is a textbook on immunotherapy for cancer and like you know you start going through the textbooks and you start going through you know all of the different things that are out there I'm like I know way less now than I thought I knew then what guided you into this path um well my mom was sick we didn't have any options in America so I tore my LCL PCL meniscus training Fighters uh 2009 2008 is and uh Team doctors gave me um opiates so I got addicted to opiates for a couple years oh [ __ ] that sucks yeah it was tough and uh so about a couple years in I been there by the way yeah man it's a lot of people have now and I went to a therapist and I was like hey you know I'm still running all my companies and stuff but I'd rather have a clear brain and deal with the pain than a foggy brain and no pain and he said America's behind the times when it comes to Opie withdraw Google IBO gain and so I Google IBO gain it's supposedly the strongest psychedelic drug in the world uh stops 100% of OPI withdrawals I was skeptical but it was illegal in America uh available in Mexico so uh I watched a couple documentaries I'm like you know what I believe those people what is it a roote or yeah it comes from the tabern iboga route in Gabon Africa it's what the buti use for the rights of passive ceremony and so the ioga root bark um has a bunch you just spit that out like it's like weird like a like it was a McDonald's order that was way too natural oh what what what what say what it is again yeah so uh so it comes from the tabern iboga route in Gabon uh Africa and um it's what the buti tribe tribe yep the buti use for the rights of Passage ceremony and they do the whole root bark and they do it like for days that's it's hardcore like three four days at a time well this is one alkaloid specifically out of that root Mark that the science now I understand the science it binds to the opiate receptor and stops 100% of withdrawals so you can take your heroin addict who's been on three grams of heroin a day they do iel gain they're going to trip for 30 hours but they're going to be clean when they get done M yeah it's wild so did you commit you went and you oh yeah you went on the you did the journey yeah I went to FL Mexico City um uh took a bus to taslan which is a couple hours south did IO G at A Place Called ioga Quest shout out to aoga Quest helped me out a lot and um aboga aboga Quest Quest yeah and um I was home 72 hours later never had a withdrawal never had a craving and so I thought you know if that can help people but isn't available in the United States what else is out there my mom was really sick without options in America and so she had failed all of her standard treatment for her ra um she gotten multiple staff infections she got tuberculosis because the side effects just killing your immune system and we were out of options and there was a study that I had read from 1923 on ky's toxins for rheumatoid arthritis and this is like this uh killed dead bacteria mixed in a vaccine form and I was like that makes sense because it stimulated the immune system instead of suppressed it and I thought my mom needs to reset our immune system it was like intuitive that's how it should work now looking back you know I'm like what did I know then but it made sense and so there was a hospital in Mexico that had it but had been closed for a couple years and so Scotty and dedric my two partners and I found the original owner we bought the hospital from him hired back the staff my mom came in a wheelchair and she left three weeks later walking and she's been a remission ever since wow and so that was the Catalyst behind it all but so I mean I got to ask how did you buy a hospital well um where did I mean where is it was an old you know so it's in Tiana it's probably 30 years old needed a lot of work and um we made a deal with the owner um the building was just sitting there not doing anything and we're like hey um you know he was trying to to sell it couldn't get any buyers and we just worked out a deal with them wow yeah so that was a that was a catalyst behind it but um there's a lot of stuff out there man you know like that's a talk about a spiritual journey that was a whole spiritual journey you know so the hospital functions as but I mean what's the primary well what we're most known for is stem cells we're the largest manufactur going to get too yeah we're the largest manufacturer of mimal stem cells in the world right now and then um the cancer side the stem cells funds all of our cancer research um we're building the best solid tumor genomics lab on the planet right now should be done in July and um but um you know it's a passion and um we actually treat it with psych dude you're like the most interesting man in the world oh man than crazy the hell well you know what a story we're from Nashville man this is what they what they teach Nashville born and raised yeah so where did you go to school Overton oh wow yeah and you went to college as well no I was fighting um you know the M like UFC wasn't big then so I just wanted to fight because like a lot of people didn't know about it and I was like just obsessed with it kind of like you said you were skateboarding you know not everybody skateboards but when you get into it you know you're hardcore into skateboarding same thing with fighting back in the day and uh I always wanted to know like I'm I'm curious in the sense what works and what doesn't work like what style I didn't have money growing up so I would go through the Yellow Pages and I'd call the martial arts school the karate I'm like hey can your kung fu beat this karate like I would just like talk to him this because I was so curious then when the UFC came out it's like oh [ __ ] you know it's Brazilian jiu-jitsu sick Yeah man so but you're you're just selftaught and as far as you know the medical field is is all just selftaught yeah a lot of good teachers though you know we have a good a lot of a lot of great scientists work with us so get to ask questions constantly so you get to realize how much you don't know W yeah see that blows my mind you know like it's uh listening to you you know to retain all of that and repeat it I would have to listen to you I understand what you're saying you know what I mean but for it to stick MH and and and and reiterate that to someone it takes a lot of time it takes a lot of time for it to like stay with you you know well I think about like with your music though for instance you probably like you memorize songs and the meaning uh behind the lyrics and you know you're able to once you're passionate about something you're able to spit it out yeah and you're known for like just spitting out wild [ __ ] like more complicated than anybody else can say and think I mean so you you have that you know massively creative brain that you know I would assume most rappers wish they could do what you can do you know that type of a brain is you well the um the process man to to get to the point of uh uh writing you know writing songs writing lyrics raps singer song writer songs whatever it is uh it with me started with just gibberish you know like just I I wish I still had this collection of notebooks um I lost all of well a large portion of my childhood that I had I mean I'm talking about from books to boom boxes all the all the even even old stuffed animals old blankets and there we lost it in a storage unit that didn't get paid for um but I had a stack of notebooks literally up to my waist and every single page was front and back full of lyrics and most of it is just like you know it's like shadow boxing it's it's not it's just the practice of writing rhyming and figuring out how to not just be skillful as a rapper but or an artist in general but what that was what that looked like and what it should sound like was the biggest challenge like when it clicked that oh I'm a white boy from a TR trailer park and Huntsville Alabama and oh I bump 36 mafia and Metallica and Hank Williams Oh my God Catfish Billy and I'm like oh [ __ ] it it started you know what I'm going to talk about how I'm going to bring my culture mhm that was the hardest part to figure out and it was literally like the lights just turned on one day one day when when was that what' you say um Huntsville Alabama I want to say 23 years ago 24 years ago which would be what 200 oneish yeah I no 2003 2003 when it was like oh [ __ ] you know it just kind of figuring that out and then you know I I was 30 years old before I landed a record deal you know what I mean so it was a long grind yeah of getting there and uh and figuring that part out too you know like I I don't know how typically doctors or or surgeons go to school for 10 to 15 years you know mhm so I went I went to school in my all right you know yeah pretend to 15 years you know and that um 10,000 hour thing is a real real thing I agree into anything and you know I'm up to $100,000 at this point you know um I mean when you were going to that 10e Journey so you know 10 year or so Journey um did you know that you were going to be successful was it like a your focus you're like it might not be now but it's it's happening man I I you know I didn't give myself a plan B um that was my strategy and uh I was literally willing to die for it and and I mean that literally you know I put myself in the most dangerous situations and um and just was not going to stop and there was a certain you know ego can ego supersedes your talent in a lot of a lot of ways I'm sure for a lot of people it did for me but it's that knowing that you're going to do it and knowing that you are going to win and making these affirmations and you know visualizing who you are and that was a real thing you know like you know in uh 99 you know I I went out to se took a gron bus to Seattle and slept on the streets and got on a boat you know did The Deadliest Catch [ __ ] you know like for a whole season um just to make a supposed 20 grand that I was going to buy my music equipment with and came home with $1,000 that's a whole another story um but I came back like really strong mentally after that trip but um but yeah just like putting myself in the absolute gnarliest situations and uh I I always thought like you know like I I run toward the monster mhm you know that's my way of dealing with fear you know is I got to be face to face with it I can't turn my back on it can't run from I got to run toward it and uh you know I just go in man to you know I to this day I just you know killer in Killer Instincts you know and you know that as a fighter you know it's all good so you get in the ring and then it's [ __ ] you know become a monster got perform yeah yeah you know it's just part of uh part of the the ritual of being an artist man is like and and that's some something that some artists unfortunately will never grasp and those are the artists that end up going and getting a job yeah well when I when I hear you you speak it it reminds me like when whenever I interview people that are successful actually most people I interview are successful you know they all say they they had this Vision in their in their head and they knew you know they were going to do it hell or high water you know you were willing to die you didn't you you didn't leave any other option b you know and you know and when people hear that they think well well they might think well is it just my brain but you also worked really really hard and sacrif the the the work ethic and the and the ego that that had to feed my talent I had to get good if I wanted to be an artist I had to get [ __ ] good you know so just the practice the practice and falling in falling down in front of people that's that's that's probably the ultimately the hardest thing when it comes to being an artist you know uh visual artist or you know um making music is and in hip-hop you know it's hardcore you know you know ciphers in the streets you know sketchy clubs sketchy people sketchy situations and then just the brutal honesty of hip-hop you know like getting booed off stage [ __ ] thrown at you spit on the worst things said about you and you have to persevere through all of that you know and um so falling down in front of people I think is uh that's that's the hardest thing uh to deal with you know when you're out there yeah you know but you got back up every time have to well you keep you keep getting back up until you know then it's like then you take your shirt off and you're like [ __ ] it you know I i' I've been um I was out opening them opening for an artist um with Khalifa one time and we're playing this college and uh my we we were up to like 10 11 shows and it was hit or miss and when I say hit or miss I mean like 5050 like I was probably going to get booed and we all kind of knew that and we were up to 10 shows and you know I had a record popping you know Pop the trunk I was out and and going crazy at the time and uh but for whatever reason it didn't didn't connect with a lot of these fans but um uh I remember the night that I where I just where I just stopped giving a [ __ ] entirely cuz I was getting hit so hard with it m um and you know I'm making $400 a night you know to to put four of us in one hotel room mhm we're torn in a van what the what do you want from me you know like like come on uh so I just remember one night they started booing and [ __ ] I walked out on stage they just started booing immediately and uh so I just took my shirt off and just sat there and just stared at them all and I was like Hey Y'all Ready for Whiz Khalifa they go off you going to have to [ __ ] deal with me first and um I I look I look to the right and my my old manager bear man he was he's a huge cat you know like from the streets for real and he was crying you know cuz like we were going [ __ ] through it you know M but that's that's the kind of [ __ ] that makes you you know y oh [ __ ] man there's a lot of artists that's never been booed man it's pretty crazy I as I asked some of these people they're like N I never that's never happened to me I'm like I think for for you to come up like you're a white rapper especially like now it's start you're starting to see it more but like you know 15 years ago you know you had Eminem but like there weren't a lot of other white rappers coming up no I mean I you know you could say that it's not a thing anymore and I think it's a lot less of a thing but [ __ ] when I was coming up you know going to the atrium in Atlanta Georgia in 1997 or 96 and to a 36 mafia mystical concert MH there's no other white boys in there yeah you know and um and that but that was my world you know and um I was completely comfortable you know comfortable in it loved it actually you know so yeah it's a different different thing man you know going going to Bankhead in Georgia to a strip club and you know like grabbing the mic you know what I mean and but when you start rapping they have to have have some respect right I mean like if they might be booing for a for they booing the whole time or they like damn okay you know well yeah I mean there's certain people in there's certain cats that you know that get sold on it as the show progresses but this is not always the cas you know I mean obviously we've we've killed it you evolved way past that but back in the day I should say um but there's yeah there's some proven ground you know and I'm not really I'm not easily digestible I get it you know like you know white boy with a [ __ ] mullet mohawk with tattoos and from Alabama talking this country [ __ ] you know with and you know but you you couldn't deny my skill you might not like me you might not like the music but you certainly couldn't deny the skill level or the quality of the music you know you know some you know not everybody's for everybody my mama don't like Bob Dylan I don't get it I don't understand it she she despises his music and hates the way he sounds I love Bob Dyan yeah but you know so you you know you just got to find your you got to find your people you got to find your tribe and we've done that yeah sler baby yeah I want to get into sler uh but first how did you end up meeting Eminem and how did that whole connection kind of come about um well you know let's say like okay so in 2000 I was in New York and uh I signed a uction deal with this dude named Mark seagull and Mark seagull passed on Eminem and in his office he had a whole stack of tapes and I just happened to see a tape on the floor it's 2000 and it was a in to deep tape which was white rappers right and he had overdubbed into deep with his demo okay Eminem that he gave to Mark Mark passed on him um so I put that tape in my pocket I stole and I took it home and I and and I told my my cousin Jared I was like and we're sitting in an apartment and the [ __ ] Rusty ass 80 82 box Chevy Caprice you know like with on food stamps and a [ __ ] in the hood basically and um and I pulled that tape out and I was like look at this [ __ ] I was like one Dam will put this in his hands bro I promise you and he goes damn right you are and you know that I think that there's like there's there's this when you're in the bottom together you know what I mean there's it anything's possible you know what I'm saying anything's [ __ ] possible it's like when he said that you know when I when I look back on that um I know why he said damn rights cuz he needed me to be successful as much as I needed him to be successful you know but man you know 10 years later I did I put that I put that tape right in his hands and I didn't ask for a photo I didn't ask for any documentation for it it that was for me nice um but how I met Marshall um specifically was uh you know we got a deal with Colombia um [ __ ] my years get away with me in like 200000 uh like well [ __ ] I don't know what it was I forget but my first deal was in with with Colombia then Rick Rubin came into Colombia and fired everybody so that deal was gone M and I had to go back to gadon and we got it cracking again popped the trunk came out and was buzzing real hard so we had deals on the table u a lot of deals but you know I had already done the song and dance you know performing for people in their offices and nothing happening and you know so I la re brought me in to do um to give me a deal this days before Christmas we didn't have [ __ ] I didn't have [ __ ] still and uh like literally like 3 days before Christmas you know and my kids are kids you know like I got a Christmas to take care of I got nothing and um I'm in a house with no heat I mean dude we're like boiling water to take baths and leaving the oven open to heat the house type of deal and um he offered me he well he brought me into the office and I was with Kanan prayther Jay Dot Jones Courtney seals bear myself we went into the office and and and LA Reid had brought the whole company into into his office he sat me down in front of his desk he's like yellow wolf something like yellow Wolf's going to give y'all the AC cappella version of what he does and he put on a beat and I was I looked at KP and I looked at La I said man La I'm not doing this I'm not doing doing this right now man like I this is this never works so I got a show opening up for rayquan tomorrow night if y'all want to come see me perform you come see me I'll be in Harlem and uh and he goes well what are we doing I was like I don't know what are we doing and Kanan kicked me so [ __ ] hard under the table and uh he said I guess nothing I said I guess nothing then and the whole whole company was like this dude just turned oh my God and then as soon as I walked out of that door my anxiety [ __ ] swallowed me I was like oh my God I I thought I was going to [ __ ] puke I was like I just I just [ __ ] my I just [ __ ] it all up I [ __ ] everything up my managers wouldn't even speak to me and that next night when I did open up for rayquan I walked out on that [ __ ] stage I Was So Gone In My Head about what had happened I was like yo what up I'm yellow wolf this is my first time in Alabama and oh my God boo went off on me first time in Alabama what an idiot um but I I got through that and um I think a month or two passed and [ __ ] Pop the trunk was still buzzing really heavy but I still didn't have [ __ ] you know I wasn't like getting like I didn't have [ __ ] quite yet you know um not [ __ ] meaning no deal still in the same piece of [ __ ] house um so la calls me and and personally and I just want to have a meeting with just me and you just me and you and I I I it was me Kanan Prather and La Reed and uh so he sets a date to fly me up there back to New York to have this personal one-on-one meeting with him and uh so I went to Waffle House up the street and I wrote and memorized this verse for him and um and uh we went up into the office and Kanan didn't know no one knew I had this ver um and he sat me down in front of him and um he was playing Pink Floyd and the and when I walked through the door I saw I was like ah he's been studying me he knows all like classic rock so he's playing Pink Floyd and he goes you know what the song's about and I was like no not really he goes if you listen to the lyrics they're saying the they're talking to a CEO and the CEO asks the band you guys are great but which one of you is pink and so what he's saying is they the CEO didn't know who the [ __ ] he was talking to you know um I'm just like you you know and we're the same person I used to be an artist and so look are we going to do this let's do this and I stood up and turned my back and I walked out and I walked over to the to the to the windows looking over Manhattan and I just started [ __ ] snapping on this verse with my back turned about how hard Christmas was how hard it was to to to tell him no and why I had to tell him no at that time and why I was going to tell him no again and when I turned around Kanan K was crying it was an emotional thing sure and I was like I was like man KP you play my [ __ ] for Eminem yet and he goes you're crazy you're crazy wolf seriously you're crazy and so so Jimmy ien I guess heard about that and when I went to play South by Southwest Jimmy sent um Todd Parker out to which is a good friend of mine now Todd Parker out to follow me around South by Southwest and we [ __ ] South by Southwest up we snapped you know I was doing like four shows a day and uh Jimmy Jimmy had Todd and I and Kanan FL flown to LA and straight to his house so we let we had done that whole weekend and then we flew out Monday morning straight to his house and was sitting on his sitting on his couch in his living room waiting for him he comes out he goes listen man I heard what happened I don't want we're not going to do none of that tap danceing [ __ ] he goes Luke he's talking to Luke wood he Luke bring the checkbook and he and he brings the checkbook and I was like hey hey man listen you don't have to cut a check man I I respect how you've done that to begin with and honestly I love inter scope and you know I've always been a fan you I know I know the history I know I knew some of this history you know connection to Fleet with mac and all that and um so I respected the way he handled it and I was like man it's all good man I'm I'm in let's let's let's go he goes you like basketball so he took me that he's said yo crank the car took me courtside to see the Lakers and um you know he a couple days later he had pitch to uh to partner up with with Eminem and then um Eminem it it wasn't really happening quickly but then my homie uh Jim Johnson was doing satellites That Eminem record uh Satellites with Haley in Miami and Jim Johnson because he's such a [ __ ] real friend and a homie he's like yo seriously you heard wolf yet and he hadn't seen it so he played him Pop the trunk the video and he filmed it and sent it to me he had somebody filming Marshall watching and I was like oh my God oh my God [ __ ] it was like days later we were in Detroit and uh we just clicked man it just happened and uh you know and there it was there I was standing in front of Marshall and he when he walked around the corner he walked around the corner reciting Pop the trunk oh nice word for word that's awesome like spitting it back to me I was mind blown when when did you give him that tape um so after we signed with him after we signed with him uh I think within that month we were like [ __ ] it let's go do an album you know let's just go to album so we locked in um uh myself po bear uh at Molly Ms in Vegas with willpower and um uh we did we did an album and and when we went back to LA to see Marshall at his Super Bowl lipin party and it was me uh Dr Dre um slaughterhouse Marshall myself um Paul Rosenberg kpj dbear and I was sitting next to Marshall and I was like hey man uh I did a album he said you did an album cuz I was like yeah I did an album he goes what he's like Paul he did an album and uh he goes what and they were both like what what let's let's hear it so he set up a studio time the next day and and um uh I had that tape in my bag on purpose I knew that I had the album and I knew that I might have an opportunity to play it for him and uh so the next day I walked in the studio I was like hey man I got something to show you and um I've had this for 10 years and I put it in his hands and he goes what he told me the apartment he was living in when he cut it him and Royce were living together in this apartment you know what I mean he knew exactly the tape it was his tape for real and um he knew about Mark seagull he knew about it he knew obviously he knew everything but it was legit yeah what if it wasn't his tape though yeah you're like what this isn't me yeah that's awesome man yeah little things like that that people that respect the game no matter if it's rap or if it's fighting or you know know that people will respect that type of thing you know those the meaningful stuff the little things yeah you know and after that it was like you know what else can I manifest you know MH you know that was a that was a very like a moment for me and because it was so I think that I believe that I I was U may have been rewarded in a way you know energetically like by not wanting to be photographed or you know to be filmed or to that was because I just made that just for me MH that whole 10 years that it took you know yep to get there um yeah man it it it it it woke up that that power that's given given we're all given that power mhm if you can just get through the the [ __ ] yeah amazing things will happen and every person has the ability everybody you think like why do PE most people fail it's because they quit too soon you know yeah like it's like that's that's what it is they quit if you kept going there's times to give up certain things but for the most part you know that perseverance and drive and not quitting you only fail you win every once in a while mhm you always fa that that's part of it that's like the you have to look at fail failing as winning it's like it's like your stepping stone every every loss every failure every [ __ ] it's only perceived as a loss for real because when you look back you're like ah yeah I had to go through that in order to get to he yep it's it's hard you know the [ __ ] sucks you know but there's a quote that came to mind when you said that success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm you know yeah that's what it is yeah you just got to brush it off man and some things are harder to brush off than others man but you got to you got to get up and go so what was it like there so so you you you're with Eminem then you knew you were like now this thing that I've been dreaming of the last 10 years and working really hard with my head down and not you know being in a spot light now it's here like what's the mindset then um well I I actually didn't know what to expect or how hard it was going to be for me you know the obviously the blessing of being in the the company of of Eminem especially a white rapper from Alabama was everybody wanted to be a part of this project everybody cuz they thought it was going to be the biggest album in the world and um you know so creatively uh I was a bit um nervous of losing my control you know and I did lose a great deal of control in a lot in in different areas and I had to earn that back um but I knew that there was going to be a time almost immediately where I was going to have to say no to Marshall cuz I didn't agree with something creatively I knew that moment was going to happen at some point and it did and it's difficult you know difficult conversations man how how did how did he take it um he took it like I you know like maybe I would have as well you know like like a creative we're we're creative people you know and it wasn't really criticism it was just a disagreement on a a a mix or or like you know a mix on less role with with kid rock or you know things like that or like wanting to bring in Malay uh to do some drum programming because I I was felt strong that he should be in the session um and you know I after after radioactive that was my freshman album uh I think they knew and then also we knew where we kind of took our hands off the will and so when I set out to do love story I I just I came back to Tennessee and locked in and um yeah I came back to Nashville and just I I didn't want to be interrupted in any kind of way I had to see this Vision through exactly how I wanted it to be you know that scene in Wayne's World where they go from this really rad underground show to getting picked up straight corporate yep you know what I mean yep that's what happened to me yeah all the way up into changing my logo creating merch that was whack yeah you know like all the things man all the stupid corporate things B corporate [ __ ] it didn't have anything to do with Marshall that was that was on the inner scope side you know like just the it was just so corny a lot a lot of [ __ ] was so corny so I had to survive that [ __ ] the only way that I could survive that um was to lock in and and try to make the album of my lifetime up until that point so that's what we set out to do man and um but I earned a lot of respect and a lot of trust after love story you know I knew what I was doing yeah well that's a thing too like if you have a disagreement with somebody even if they're say Legends in their field or whatever like if there's respect you can have that that's what that's actually what creating is kind of about I mean business I know that like I have two business three business partners now but two of us have lived together for nine years and we go at it constantly in a healthy way in nine years I bet you we might have only had two or three real arguments that's and we've lived together um but you know there's a ECT where you know we know that we want what's best for whatever we're doing and so and we know that the other person does too and so you can have that you know very direct dialogue uh and that's how you know really you can get a lot of stuff done so I was curious with somebody like uh Eminem you know Legend and uh you know is it you know sometimes um in certain situations egos can get in the way not that he's got a big ego or whatever I I don't know if about him but uh yeah so his Rea that's his reaction I was curious to see how he reacted with that and was it you know did it did it add to the project you know man like I Marshall is like um uh I mean he's that dude man you know I it there's a lot of power in that person you know and you see that when you're opening up for him in front of three 300,000 people at slay Castle you know what I mean like dude is done a lot there's a lot of there's a lot of energy that comes with uh with that you know so um I was very careful with it sure you know and respectful you know I looked at it I looked at him like a Sensei sure you know absolutely and that was it you know and that's how I treated it and if I to the point where you know if if I had to go to war with them then that's what I would do yeah you know and um because I signed up for that that was my team yep and that was my leader I love it so I rode that line you know and uh that that was it you know I had to earn my way M you know and he gave me great advice man I mean I remember one time I was um I was [ __ ] so hung over man we were in New York City and uh um Mark knocked on my my bus and was like yo we got to we got to interview ESPN and I was like ESPN what [ __ ] I like yeah ESPN tell it's television whatever program I mean I know this I know ESPN but I don't know I don't remember what the show was but they're doing this interview and it's like I'm in this green box and it's it's like remote so the guys are interview inter me or in another green screen room in another state or something so it's like via it's like you know they got a camera I'm in New York there in Miami or some [ __ ] and the interview just went South man and um and I didn't realize how massive the show was massive but I don't you know I don't I didn't follow I wasn't keeping up with television I still don't but I was like so it went South and Mar call me like the next day he was like hey man you don't have to do this [ __ ] you know that right like you don't have to do these interviews man you can say no if you're uncomfortable just get up and leave you know you don't have to do this you know if something makes you feel weird then then trust your gut and leave and I was like I will I will and I did I did a lot I did a lot I said no I started saying no more than yes to most things after that interview wise MH Publications magazines you know um blogs whatever whatever it was you know I was just like nah I'm not I'm not I'm not mentally there and started being more choosy about you know who who I talk to like um yeah so and in that moment and that advice it helped me to get my brand sharper mhm you know it's okay to say no you know hell yeah cuz as you're coming up you're on the ground you're like I want to just do everything I can but you get to a point where it's like actually no actually no yeah I'm good yeah um there yeah that's a bob told me that too Kid Rock yeah he's like dude just learn to say no yeah it's powerful don't take first offers you know I mean like just no good um and then you know like it's like putting you put NOS through a strainer to get that one yes that's right that's good advice um after that tour with Eminem like when did the slamer brand start dude slamer started as a phrase and then I mean dude that was like [ __ ] con the concept of it 22 years ago maybe I started calling things slumerican it was like slum American slumerican and that was just like at first it was just visual like uh that that dude in the big 4x4 pickup truck but he's listening to UGK MH you know that's some SL American [ __ ] or like broke down Cadillac on bricks in front of the yard with the weight bench just visually as some SL American [ __ ] you know and and then it became came then I put slamaran down the back of one leg and then shits on the other and I was like yo if if I ever get arrested then the cops can just read my legs while I'm on the ground a SL American shitizen uh and then I went went up to Atlanta and and recorded a record with Killer Mike cost American shitizen cuz I started throwing it around so much I was like man this makes a lot of sense um this is a way to like to like label who we are label this culture this culture is very specific but this is a great name for it m and the idea of you know from Fashion to Art to music to photography you know what whatever it whatever you do if you get it there's a way to to put it to to involve it in what you do like if you're you know you build Harley's you know but you get the music you you understand why you like Harley's and and you also like the white Yokum and but you also like NWA and you know there's a there's a certain cloth that you're cut from and so you know at one point honestly we have more people in in the world with SL American tattoos then we had even printed a shirt yet you know just it was like this idea so um yeah so we started like you know creating a a company and and a brand and now dude you know we've got a whole merch company over in Barry Hill where we print and distribute all our own stuff um an imprint situation for SL American for artist residency at East whiskey company creekwater you know did a shot a movie in Mexico that'll be coming out soon um under under the SL American imprint oh yeah was uh that was when when was that movie in Mexico uh mud mouth Zilla when did we shoot mud mouth 2020 oh yeah what was that like oh we shook it during the pandemic that's why me me me DJ Paul and um we got 2020 tattooed because we we considered it the year of the Hustler like and that when all the lights go out who's going to who's going to shake it up you know so we shook it we went out to me Mexico and shot a movie during the man what part of Mexico where you in Mexico City is where we stayed but we Shot the movie you know you know from 4 hours outside of the city to 30 minutes outside the city um how much time did you spend out there we were there for a month right yeah R yeah a month yeah how did you like the the area oh I loved Mexico I love Mexico City I too man I think it's one of the most beautiful places in the world man people people that's like a under uh recognized place for Americans like you hear Mexico City like what that can't be that cool like no it's a cool City man that's rad and I think there's a bit of like the hype the hype around the cartel and all that stuff it kind of keeps keeps people shook but it's they're it's the they're the best people you know Mex Mexico City they're so accommodating and polite and and it's just a beautiful city I mean what other city has pyramids that are what 5,000 years old like up the street yep you so it's like so their ancestors are still there right there in the city you I mean that's crazy to think about did you go to any the there's someone in that City alive that had an ancestor 5,000 years ago in the same place yeah that's lineage you know yeah a lot of it yeah and you see and you see them work like the the crew obviously were all locals and the way they worked you know like rigging and like you know moving cars and whatever you get you know you understand how the pyramids were built you know those are those people are um insane they they they hand sweep the streets man they put armor Raw on their garbage trucks really yeah they shine their tires on the garbage trucks they take pride in everything they do yeah and it it was amazing man and like just culturally what man like I saw a funeral procession from my hotel looking down coming down the Main Street all low riders all Aztec paint jobs nice you know like the real real where it really came from you know all that influence it was sick man yeah man I love that I love that culture I love Mexico City did you go to any of the um pyramids did you visit oh yeah my manager is a nut about pyramids did you go to uh ta ta tein where' we go y yeah that's the third and fourth largest pyramid in the world there yeah I haven't been to Tula yeah no that's whole area what what did you think of those like standing on those giant pyramids well we couldn't get up on them could we not we went to chalula and able to move around there yeah I mean you know um it's just mindblowing man it is we're with the the human race is a lot older than than we're told you know what I mean yeah I think we've been around a long time a long time man when I was doing IBO game this is probably 15 years ago I had this Vision that the world had because I was asking like where do we all come from and at the time I was very against organized religion mhm and it showed me that the religion was good because it kept people it gave people hope specifically and not just giving up but then it showed me the world being destroyed and building up like from the grass to the trees to then the concrete then destruction and you know this thing that it had happened multiple multiple times I don't know if it's true of course but that was that was the visions that the iboga had given me so wow that's crazy yeah no I I I do believe that you know I believe we're it's it's it's heavy we're we are from the Stars we are what we are you know yeah absolutely have you have you done any psychedelics oh God yeah dude what yeah I I I got so heavy into drugs and [ __ ] when I was I was way way way too young to to be doing what I was doing but yeah I started well you know I started smoking weed and when I was like I don't know 11 M you know and then by 12 I had already done um sh you know what sh it's like in bombing fluid I think isn't it you put like in bombing fluid on a cigarette or some [ __ ] okay and then it was it went from that to Huff and Freon out of trash bags 13 14 you know you know doing all the white trash [ __ ] sniffing glue whatever to get stoned whatever to get High um so yeah by the time I'm 14 15 I'm doing paper acid and Antioch you know skateboarding and and then I got into musculin and the jail caps and doing big trips on that and then um finally I was in Atlanta and I got one of those pyramids with they had like gold they were black with like gold it was like some sort of gel and I did that [ __ ] and and some Special K at the same time some ketamine oh man and I and I couldn't come down out of my trip I I was actually scared that I got stuck I was like tripping for like a week and a half two weeks and then and then whatever I would drink would trigger that trip again Tri trip again I couldn't smoke weed I couldn't drink so I was like 17 18 i' I was in Alabama and yeah about 17 and uh my boy's like do some shrooms it ain't the same do some shrooms it ain't the same I like n man I'm telling you man I got stuck I ain't trying to go back there no it's not the same it's not the same and my [ __ ] dumb ass we went and jumped a fence got shot at by the way by this farmer jumped his fence at this farm and picked these mushrooms out of some Cow Patties and my I was idiot I ate a handful of them wet not even dry oh man just straight out the Patty terrible idea and bro when I tell you I tripped for like a month I think oh man I I click completely out something happened and I I wouldn't leave my grandmother's side I wouldn't do [ __ ] you know and after that I was completely bone sober for about five years like I couldn't even drink a Coke you know like anything that would take me out of being you know that I was so scared of tripping again yep so nowadays man I I just drink that's all I do I can't even smoke weed I love weed but I can't smoke weed because it triggers some bipolar [ __ ] you know yep you know it's like sucks man I I went too hard too young I've been there man I've been there You' been stuck oh yes oh yes yeah man and uh like you want to come down and you're like [ __ ] I wish this was over type of deal a number of times yeah I mean the thing is like whenever that happens to me now I don't do it much anymore at all but if it were to happen to me excuse me uh I would just tell myself I know this is will eventually be over so all the anxiety and stuff that I'm feeling on a bad trip I just keep telling myself hey five hours I I'll bring logic into it 5 hours is done done you know if I'm if let's say it was mushroom I had a bad mushroom trip a couple years ago but what if it was a week though a week I wouldn't I wouldn't know what to do like I'm just talking about when I've had bad trips stuck in that like I want to be out of here but can't get out of it IO gain is like that in the sense that it's so long 30 plus hours like you're 5 hours in you're like dang I got another 25 hours left like that's I can't imagine being a weekend like like you were talking about but when I like probably 15 years ago with DMT you know DMT is now kind of popular but back then it wasn't and uh I I had been on this kind of spiritual journey with the psychedelics and I was doing the DMT and it's like basically spit me out and said stop trying to figure this out you're never going to understand it in this world and so I hadn't done any anything hardcore like you I say hardcore but you know like DMT or or anything like that uh since then I've done mushrooms but I kind of gave up on that you know more more in- depth search see I had so I had so much trauma like childhood trauma MH that it it tapped me in anyway like I'm tapped man I I've seen things in my dreams that describe exactly what you guys talk about when you talk about going on iasa trips and I I I know those geome those perfect geometric shapes and and all those things and I I've caught those just in my dreams you know uh and I'm not sure I want to go further M you know what I mean like the astral projection like i' I've I've had out of- body experiences you know and I think that was just some sort of trauma that like kind of woke something up in me you know like whether it was that car accident I was in I was five four years old or maybe some abuse or I don't know I don't know what what what what happened or maybe just genetically like but I may may have gotten something from my grandmother or great-grandmother yeah you know or or My Native American roots that that tie me into that as well you know uh Cherokee and Blackfoot Indian um so yeah there's there's always been a c a part of me that has has been seeking something spiritually sure and when you seek it it it'll find you yeah no I I share that with you like it doesn't for me it doesn't take much of whatever I was doing to be like tapped in like weed if I smoke weed I trip every time I hallucinate and so see I mean see I don't I don't see like I don't know anyone who's ever said that to me like I get it yeah I do I hallucinate I have a different reaction but I mean that's crazy yeah because what why is that they say that is there something I've heard is there musculine in your spine it stays in your spine or something stays in your spine yeah I don't know I I don't know for me the very first time I ever smoked that's what someone told me like you you feel like you're tripping acid because whatever it stays in your spine have you heard that Zilla I think it might be Urban myth Urban myth all right cool yeah oh no he you know why he said that he's trying to get me to do both hey but anyway you you hallucinate when you smoke weight yeah man the first time I ever did it I I uh my face turned into a skeleton looking in the mirror I was like oh gosh oh boy and U I mean I'll do like one puff now SK and I can control I'm like there I'm like I'll keep it together too but I don't it's not nothing on a regular basis because it's so it's so intense I was with um some friends downtown probably about 6 months ago go and I took one hit man and I got so dang paranoid I'm like forget this man this isn't worth it like why don't I take these chances the last time I I attempted to smoke weed um I became every once in a while for some stupid [ __ ] reason I will do it anyway um let me hit that you say every time like damn I'm like D I [ __ ] knew I should have done this [ __ ] and I've had two episodes you know what it is it's the times that it don't happen that'll keep you coming back right and you're like oh I'm cool I'm cool no I'm not cool I'm not cool um uh I was in Atlanta and uh I had smoked some weed I was with willpower and Tess and and clever we were making Trump music forever and I was on one and I said let me hit that I took a dumb big hit of this plunt they were smoking next thing I know my pants are around my ankles completely naked I'm like I'm like holding myself going please don't call the cops on me like crying scared to get another 5150 just don't call the cops I promise I'll be okay right [ __ ] losing it [ __ ] man and then uh you know of course [ __ ] eight months later I'm good let me hit that you know what I mean it's idiot the last time that that I smoked and this was like uh like a month ago I got so self-aware that I scared the [ __ ] out of myself like I looked at the things that I had I was like oh my God I'm I'm yellow wolf what have I done how am I going to handle this you what I'm going to do tomorrow you know like I can't be me this can't be happening like DJ Paul standing in my living room you know like how do I know this guy he's my hero how did I ever meet Eminem you know all these things you become self aare self-awareness is really scary dude yeah it can be you know if it yeah it can be like if you actually break down what you know what you've accomplished in your life and you really dive deep into that in in in detail yeah it's like damn man we've done a lot yeah you know done a lot I think a lot of times we uh you know if if we're looking to achieve and work and we're you know we don't well at least I can speak for myself I don't always look catch it at the time though you know it's like I I don't necessarily take it in like oh wow we've accomplished this this this and that these are great things it's more like what's next yeah yeah yeah for sure but that what that what's next I'm the same m i mean almost upon delivering an album I'm thinking about my next move mhm you know I don't even listen to the music after I've listen like I never go listen to one of my albums ever cuz I listen to it for a year straight making it and you know I got to perform it and all that stuff but I'm always yeah always on to that that next but when you are always on to the next you do forget the stockpile of things that you've created behind you yeah um so it takes that weed every now and then to make think you start diving into that book that you wrote yeah wow yeah so um I get it dude that's the introspection man with IBO gain um it was deeply introspective it was like uh I would look at I was like 5 years old my dad was say yelling at me and it made me realize I'm this way because of that or I'm seven and you know couldn't get the you know I didn't get a pair of tennis some like what seemingly stupid things that didn't make any difference but it was actually lining up points of my life that actually changed you know or made me who I am you know today so deeply introspective I always have like this you know compartmentalizing things that that have happened that's always been like a it's it's it's definitely a source of like an infinite amount of Creative Energy mhm because of these compartments that I can open and go into and um for that I'm very thankful you know for those things um and I've heard like compartmentalizing things is not healthy for you um I've been told that by like a psychiatrist what did you say back well I mean I was just like well I mean I hear you but it certainly works as a writer sure you know what I mean like I know how to get to those places if I need a source of energy energy and like uh I you know it's like a different room in a house I like that's my house you know like I know I know the key to get to that door yeah don't have to go in there every day though and I don't have to burn it down either yeah exactly I think you know having it there is like you know if it's a dark room and I don't need to go in there then I won't but if I do need to go in there for some dark energy then maybe i' you know you know what I'm saying well that's like a Dallas philosophy like with the uh ying and the Yang M so like um where you have your Shadow uh and you know once you once you become okay with your Shadow you can tap into your Shadow when you know you kind of need that and same thing there's something we have that discussion all the time don't we I think tap tapping into that dark energy uh it's vital it's it's part of our survival you know that you have to be that person you might not want to be at the moment or you don't might might not want people to see um and same thing there's something called a golden Shadow which is like the the good version uh and um you know I think people are really afraid of that that compartmentalizing though it's it's kind of a good thing because you don't you don't want that that person that sometimes you need to be to come out all the time you know but there are times where I've done I did like a six-month Shadow course and you know kind of teaching you how to uh you know at least play in it to understand that it's there and to be okay with it and understand the different parts of it and I've used it a lot in business I'll be at a in a conference room sitting and I just tap in man and you know I'm able to you know just um say the uncomfortable thing or you know say be somebody that I don't necessarily want to be I don't you know you don't well for me I don't want to be just mean to people but sometimes you got to be an [ __ ] you know like that's thank you so Amen to that I mean yeah you know like some people don't understand please stop that doesn't resonate right you know you have to be you got to have got to go dark sometimes you know and immediately and um that's the other thing having you know some things need to be handled immediately um but yeah man like as far as like playing with like dark energy in general like I I Relish in that you know I love that and it's also the my favorite music to make is dark darker music and I I I want to say it's really my fans favorite style from me like all my biggest records are they have a Darkness to them till it's gone Pop the trunk you know my fun records are fun you know mhm but as far as the ones that that like set with the fan um are dark and um but I do you know I do things to scare myself just to keep just to stay sharp like what you know what I mean well first of all black out my house you know and and turn everything off and uh you know walk into the basement alone you know like like uh walk slowly up the stairs out of the basement as slow as possible you know like feeling that that that energy that you think is chasing you um you know the those childhood fears you know walking I will walk into the woods in Pitch Black night alone just straight As far as I can walk into there um standing on the edge of cliff you know um uh but you know like or or scaring other people which is fun like being being the villain you know like I was in uh Europe one time and um somewhere outside of London we had found this uh this like Castle Hotel thing and it was rumored to be haunted like it was actually was on all these television shows TLC History Channel like whatever and they had documented the the ghosts that are in in this Castle or whatever and there was actually brochures in the front when I heard about it I was like we got to stay there we have to go and I I want to be in the room whatever that room is that's the most haunted I want that room they they stopped um leasing it or whatever cuz people were getting too [ __ ] up in there for I don't know whatever reason or maybe it was just a gimmick but um so that night when after everyone went to bed there was Woods outside this this uh um this Castle or whatever and so I went out to the woods as far as I could get like snuck out the hotel went deep into the woods and my whole crew was inside of this hotel and all the lights were out in the in this uh in this castle and I went deep deep into the woods and screamed as loud as I could like like I like like someone was getting killed way way deep in the woods and all you could see was these lights click click click click click click click all the light started coming on and I snuck back around uh the castle and I went to my friend's rooms and I started scratching on the Windows oh man just terrifying them and that whole time uh the the next day I was like did y'all hear that [ __ ] man [ __ ] what the [ __ ] was that and they were they were bought they bought it all somebody scratched on my window man it's [ __ ] crazy after I heard this crazy scream in the woods I finally told him at the end of the day um yeah Halloween is a lot of fun for me yeah man I love Halloween too I don't normally go dark on Halloween but what do you do I go I'll go CR if I if I can I would I'll be the most scary I can be I'm try to scare the [ __ ] out of someone on Halloween were you here for oods and a mask and like just you know like peek around corners all weird freaking people out were you here for the Halloween party not this Halloween but the one before willly Wonka it was Wily's Magic Castle but we had a haunted park in the back that so you have you know it's Nashville and so you have all these girls that think they're going to some Halloween party at a mansion it's going to be you know blah blah blah so they're dress in their you know women Halloween type stuff yeah nurse nurse outfits and [ __ ] nurse outfits and [ __ ] so they didn't know that we were gonna have like a scary ass haunted Park back in the back with like you know we hired actors the whole thing it was set up and there's a course and like and I mean we had video it was so funny I mean people freaked out it like did the job that and the party up here was you know not that but yeah they they they they got to go through through the the the Haunted Woods or whatever you call it and I mean yeah it would have scared me too but yeah it's fun though I I I still go to haunted houses I went to haunted houses last year and uh I got to be honest weak man I I maybe it's because I'm into it so much but I don't think anything scared me um so me me and uh me and Zilla Edward my manager we we've talked about this for years I think I'm pretty sure we're going to do a haunted house at some point I don't know if it's going to be in the next couple years but we're we're pretty set on it um like a a an official one like a real one like a permanent haunted house that's cool um DJ Paul was talking about getting in um [ __ ] you should we should talk about that I'm open yeah um so we we were going to do um a trailer park and um and project like project home themed haunted house mhm so you get the scariest parts of like deep southern [ __ ] you know in the trailer park and is going to guide into the into the projects you know so you get the all this the really really scary [ __ ] like you know [Laughter] cops like you know what I mean like all all themed and you know decorated correctly and and you know smells and [ __ ] you you know smells are really scary textures and all that stuff might have to sign a waiver to come to our haunted house what do you think well we got we got a building across the street where I'm not sure when we're going to start the the buildout for our lab or building a SEL manufacturing and jomic lab but it's literally across street really we got uh it's like 9,000 square fet big Warehouse we could maybe it's got a big parking lot too so maybe we could clear it out and do a 100 house there this year sick that could be kind of cool I'm in yeah I'll show it to you after this let's go Zilla used to work at haed house he was one of the he was one of the goons he hit up he hit up in the rafter well you hit up in the rafters and would like swoop his hand down and there's some like really really crazy haunted houses though across the the world like you can like um I forget what I was searching one night but like you have to sign this waiver and like they promise you you you're not going to get out without quitting it's like 24 hours or whatever you're like locked in this it's almost like torture yeah yeah yeah but I saw some of that stuff online uh a few years ago is that at mck Manor yeah I mean there's some there's some wild ones but um yeah I've seen some of that [ __ ] where you can like pay someone to bring you to near death like I like the and it's like big like there's like months you know waiting list and it's like one guy just kind of it yeah you know one guy and he's like Navy SEAL trained for torture and like he'll take you I'm good on that [ __ ] good that's what I say I'm I'm afraid of ghost that's it I ain't trying to get touched or like the snakes and spiders I'm cool on that man I don't really like snakes I actually I don't like snakes or spiders not with you on that um but yeah maybe we could do a maybe we can do love that man and you know just to you know to bring the yeah the actual the the dark Vibes I I know I know DJ Paul would be down for sure 36 mafia [ __ ] what 36 mafia SL American haunted house 204 commercial we'd kill that let's do it I'm I'm down sounds like fun we'll see we could do that and a show that would be sick that would be sick yeah we'll do that you know and for us yeah we'll do that in the show that' be sick perfect let's go let's go what's uh what's the new album yeah you got a uh let me make sure I I don't misspeak here War Story War Story double album yeah tell tell me about it um well um I did a I did a rock and roll album with Shooter Jennings called uh sometimes why and that was a couple years ago uh two years ago actually last week was a 2-year anniversary and uh man it was so much fun tapped into some creative side that I had never tapped into I sang the the entire album there's there's zero rap verses and um Zero rap verses yeah no it's all it's it's rock and roll album awesome and uh recorded at Sunset sound and um uh and Prince's old room where he did Purple Rain which Shooter Jennings has a residency there now as a producer which is sick um but during the making of that album and and going through the roll out of that album and then we had these crazy shows you know we played the Museum we we opened up for Leonard skinnard we did some rock festivals and uh you know a bunch of videos and [ __ ] and it just it it charged hip-hop up in me I I missed it I like really missed rapping and I was like man I'm going to I'm pull the Love Story team back together you know which was Malay and willpower so I went out to LA and stayed at the sunset Marquee and I wrote the first album with Malay and we titled that one um Michael Wayne so it's a more person personal album and uh it just you know it was crazier than we expected it to be and I brought that album back to Nashville and I played it for willp power and I was like At first I wanted them to come together and I was like what are you going to do bro what you going to do about this one like kind of challenged him I was like you really got to come with it will you know what I mean we me and Malay just crush this [ __ ] so me and willpower went to uh Atlanta to his spot and we locked in and did trunk music forever uh which is the fourth the fourth trunk music in the series and um I just quickly realized that these two these these this group of song this group of songs with Malay and this group of songs with willpower sounded like two different albums and at first I wanted to intertwine them mhm um but it they just felt like two different albums um like speaker box love below Outcast you know so um so I decided to split it up and I called it War Story tipping my hat to love story and what what we've been through since love story and um the soldiers we've become you know the soldier I've become the general you know the leader now and so it hits on a lot of those those points um and it's it's by far my best hip-hop project for sure um the the maturity of it all and as producers with me definitely the best Willow is at his best Malay is at its best and um I'm excited I'm excited for it to come out we D put out two singles already put out uh a single off of um the Trump music side called Everything then we dropped a sec second single called make you love me uh and that's off the Michael Wayne side and uh yeah we got videos shot coming out I got it's the second one I think the third one is is uh trailer in the sky with jelly roll off the Michael Wayne project am I am I saying that right it's new me ah new me ah [ __ ] me uh so the so the one after um Make You Love Me is called New me uh so we got videos to all these as well yeah what is uh what's trailer in the sky about uh uh someday we will all get High um someday we'll all get high in that trailer in the sky uh it's just about celebrating um overcoming the odds you know with with the caveat of being who we are you know like and being from where we're from you say it was you jelly and who jelly rooll just jelly roll myself cool yeah jelly roll singing The Hook he killed it too and produced by Malay and um yeah someday in that double wide man in the sky we're all going to the same place you know it's like it's kind of like making uh making Heaven you know make sense yeah you know from our perspective from our perspective and it's also kind of like the moment of like you you can judge someone I I was judged a lot being from Alabama you know um R racial tension has always been a thing m in Alabama and when I was growing up it was Heavy very heavy you know so um uh to say to them you know at the end I won and guess what we're all going to the same Place mhm you know like you know it's kind of like a it's not a poke at religion so to speak but it's a poke at the idea that you thought I had to be a certain person to make it there or I had to look a certain way yeah um you know and and that's not true that's not true at all yeah I mean you grew up in the South too so like the the I mean so much has changed the last 25 years I mean it's just I feel like I'm living in a completely different world um and but I think about like religion I was raised Church of Christ so it's was very very strict like you've got to have you know you couldn't dance you know you couldn't have instruments in church and you know it's like this way of kind of this way of being and a lot of great people by the way at that church uh in the and in in Church of Christ but you know when you're able to kind of step outside of it uh that it just has to be a certain way with a lot of things in life uh more opportunity opens up and you can enjoy it a little bit more yeah yeah absolutely I well you know I'm from the Bible Belt you know how it is M you know how it is in in Alabama I mean there's more churches than Starbucks yeah you know like they're on every corner and and a lot of options as well yeah that's a bit confusing you know from from a from a kid that was raised in a house with a Ouija board yeah and um and I I I Had My Moments in church you know I spent some time in church I also spent time you know explore exploring like I've been to MOS with you know Muslims I've been you know hung out with Ros R Rastafarian you know like I got Rastafarian friends I have friends that are you know atheists you know I got you know I just kind of loosened myself from that um I don't think anybody's got you know a lock and key on that sure you know so yeah for me man I was I was raised super uh Christian like Church of Christ and I kind of fell away from it now I'm more back into you know Christianity which has been great for me because I I pray probably I don't know five to seven times a day you know I'm constantly like hey hey God what should I do here and just kind of use that to guide me and decision making and those typee of things and uh that's great man it is it helps it helps tremendously man and so it's been it's been good something to kind of to lean on during these you know life gets stressful we all have our ways of doing it and I don't think there's good religion or you know like there's people bad for doing whatever they believe right but it's been it's been good for me to to have that uh Faith to rely on hey man anything that makes a person a better person yeah man I'm all for it I I doesn't matter to me what path that that you chose you know uh or whomever in the world chose whatever path um uh but I think it's fair to everyone to not press that on exactly another person I agree I let it happen naturally and if they if you're agreeable then it'll it'll reveal itself that you're agreeable on something you know uh it's the pitch that sucks hey come over here dude I mean the pitch is real the pitch is real baby especially on the corner of South 11th G in Alabama um but um yeah man uh all is well though you know like like you said that that's that's part of the gift of uh like we were saying you know more questions than answers yes you just open yourself up to that you know well my thing is Never Say Never if someone's religion so great it's like show me by example of how you're living that I want to go do that you know and um it's like the the hypocrisy sometimes gets frustrating you're like man you know uh and like having more of a kind of an inclusive um non-judgmental it's the Judgment that I think really turns people off because we're all me we're all trying to find our way in the best way possible like this is a crazy world we're living in some days it makes sense some days it doesn't make sense some days we feel like we have it down some days we feel like we don't know anything and um you know those that that push an ideology that um in a way judges the way that maybe I'm living or you're living or somebody else is living that's when I think it it turns people away and if we're trying to get people from a Christian standpoint to Christianity you know you should do it by example not by judgment mhm and um yeah so um that was Church of Christ for me Me growing up it was rough like I was I was judged constantly for what I was doing you know my parents are great but you know going through that as a kid was was interesting yeah I can only imagine going to church and having a Ouija board like what they were saying to you d man yeah my uh all the way all the way up to my great grandparents were not church people um but loved by the community and did believe in God you know kept Bibles in the house you know there wasn't we weren't alienated from uh Jesus and talks and prayer and that that was a Jesus has always been um a go-to for me since I was a little boy that that was my protection you know it was like the the the prayer um the prayer is how I slept at night you know and um but that person that that relationship is my own you know and that and I developed it on my own so hence probably the nature of how I moved today is because that that came from my own needs you know uh but yeah man I you know being prayerful is is important I think so yeah well it's like um you know the we're talking about manifesting and seeing things they you can read a lot of different religions and you know that type of thing it is in there you know the idea of seeing what you hope for and being certain of what you see and you know going after you know you have this image in 2000 of you being kind of where you're like next to Eminem and then all of a sudden here I am with Eminem or here you are with Eminem I mean that's a that's a um a spiritual thing I mean best friend is the song we did together says everything about you know my my path and where you know where where that's taken me and how I got there and and uh what my maybe what my spiritual purpose is as far as what translates through my music I think best friend is uh I couldn't have said it better than that you know have to go listen to it it's good yeah uh what's the what's the future for slamer man the future for slamic is uh expanding on our clothing and apparel brand um hosting more slumfest festivals that we've we're up on the sixth Festival that we're planning on right now um um signing new Talent new artists yeah who do you who are you uh working with uh right now um the artist that's coming the first album we're dropping on uh SL American out outside of um War Story which is my own is an artist named Tony Martinez and um we I did a all analog like country music album on Tony and it's phenomenal uh so we got Tony Martinez Cowboy killer which is a hip-hop artist um we've got uh uh J Michael Phillips um uh what's Steph's last name James oh yeah we got a um we also have a new artist um Stephen James started working with um my boy Malay and willp power are both moving to Nashville Tennessee where where are they from uh m was in Los Angeles will power lived in Atlanta he's already here Malay is literally at my house like shopping for a home nice so he and his wife Irish are coming out here so um uh Michael Brett and Kelly over at East Iris um Studios uh we had a dinner the other night with Malay and will we're going to expand on that studio that we're in actually that whole neighborhood is going to get a huge renovation so we were going to be uh uh resident producers over there and [ __ ] making more more videos maybe another movie uh I don't know we got well we got mud mud mouth movie that'll be dropping probably I want to say this year5 2025 what's mud mouth mud mouth is a movie based on an album that I made um and uh it's about it's about a LSD trip ah yeah nice it's about a spiritual death is what the movies about so it's kind of a musical U it's more of like an art piece mhm you know there's more music and and and art um than there is dialogue uh it's also half animated like handdrawn animation that's cool that intertwines with you know the live footage but yeah I meet this crazy chemist in the woods happens to be my boy and he's all bugged out developing this new LSD and he sets me down and doses me and then life changed the movie starts that's how that that's how it opens yeah so yeah and we shot all that down in Mexico and it's beautifully oh that's the one that you shot in Mexico yeah oh nice nice nice yeah mud mouth you play a lot of uh golf and skate right huh and you skateboard too nah I don't skate as much anymore uh didn't you used to be really good though yeah I was yeah I was really good at skateboarding at one point I heard a story and I don't remember the details but they were like yeah yellow wolf just went and did some type of crazy move and just landed it like it was nothing and then you know like you know you you didn't tell anybody that you could skate uh yeah well I mean skateboarding is like it's kind of like a I've always been pretty I keep it humble about the skateboarding you know what I mean just cuz I love skateboarding so much and it was such a huge part of my life in childhood and uh so I don't you know I don't really talk about my music or whatever I just if I skate I skate that's pretty much it but I you know all that [ __ ] I was doing when I was a kid it's a rap on that [ __ ] I just like might bomb some hills and might get a treay flip out of me I don't know but um yeah you have to like it's an exercise you got to get into it and be doing it to be okay at it do you ever my friends kill it you ever do the the one whee you ever try that the what the onewheel skateboard it's like electric uh it's got one wheel yeah I've seen that that's yeah well the ones that you stand on like a skateboard cuz there's also one that you send that's between your feet like there's one between your feet the the wheels between your feet and the you're you're sitting on the board oh yeah yeah the the big wheel like you lean to go forward this way yeah yeah yeah I like cruising on those those are fun yeah those things are kind of like skateboarding I guess will [ __ ] you up too they will worked dude so Scotty I think you Pro I think you met him uh my business partner he was like big skateboarder he was a pro uh snowboarder 2 fighter you know we kite surf together but you know he got his uh back fixed with stem cells he was our first he was our first patient patient zero for the stem cells inside the disc with Scotty wow completely healed his uh his herniation he had back surgery 15 years ago damn amazing and um so he's you know he loves skating and you know he's he's 53 now too and all these injuries and stuff and so he gets this one whe and I know Scotty like that's like my brother been best friends since like 15 and he gets really cocky and he's on this one wheel he's got his he's got a little beer belly at the time he's like going on his one wheel I'm behind him in ELC bike and I'm like Scotty you're getting too cocky bro like you're going to hurt yourself and there's a curve coming and he just he just goes over the curve flips completely blew his knee toward his oh my ACL PCL whole thing and he's on the he's on the street and you're like ah and there's people running up and I'm like standing back cuz I wanted to see how he didn't hit his head I just wanted to kind of assess the situation like I was like I said it's your knee right he's like yeah I okay I said you didn't hit your head you're okay buddy just relax for a little bit but um you got work one wheel will mess you up yeah if you get get cocky with it for sure you know yeah you get cocky with anything man you get worked do you have do you snowboard no a kite surf we kite Scotty kite surf how dude that's that's gnarly it is it's awesome do you do the jumps and stuff uh not that good I mean you know try a little little bit but I don't like to consider like Scotty can um it he he learned faster than me because of his snowboarding and skateboarding um for me it took me a minute to get used to the board but um yeah I mean it's the amount of power in that kite like you dive the kite and then you turn it up and that's what pulls you out of the water where do you kite Sur well we were we're in Puerto Rico for in 2019 and then last year Scotty and I would basically fly somewhere every other week uh actually just like two spefic spefic places but every other week to go kite surfing Dam we got really into it and then um that was 20202 2023 we didn't kite surf as much but Scotty just got his pilot's license and so now he can fly you got got a little uh SR22 plane so now the plan is to fly to these different places on the work weekends you know and um sick hit it hard man if you ever want to go kite surfing uh let us know man we'll we'll get you we'll get you right on it I'm traumatized with surfing man I went out to South America and tried to surf for the first time oh man what happened homie and I you know I can still comfortably push around on a skateboard and and like you know it's in me you know so I was like man I got this um n don't got it first of all the break that they were surfing was like five breaks out yeah so I had to get through all them first breaks you know and like not in not in like not in Surf shape you know what I mean I haven't I haven't swam that much in a long time it's called paddling should be called paddling not surfing yeah dude so I'm getting worked by the brakes getting tossed you know my and I'm out there with no shirt so like the the board has has ripped me raw [ __ ] man and the one time that I that I did paddle in as soon as I stood up on that thing man ate [ __ ] man like [ __ ] I was like man [ __ ] this you know and I paddle back to Shore and I was done with it I was done with it you know but my friends who do it and are good are in love with it they're like n you got to give a second chance just come out with us man you'll love it you'll love it well you got to learn at the right spot too there's like learning yeah you can't do that you get you get what you got so um I've been beat up surfing as well and um I back and get up but I wouldn't call myself an all surfer but I call it paddling because all I do is paddle yeah you know so like you're constantly trying to get through the damn wav and the ocean's scary man oh my God it's like it can take you like that I got caught in a rip current in Costa Rica this year and on my birthday Scotty Scotty's a wild he's wild we we like going to swim in the waves and that's you been doing that for years but I didn't assess that I was I'm a little out of out of shape so get tired a little easier and there was a break pretty far out Scotty's got his fins he's like you want a fin I'm like no I'm good man so we're out there get past the waves he goes on one little area the water was above my head and trying to get back in and I've got this little this current I'm like I can't get back in and I'm oh I start panicking a little bit and I'm getting hit by waves can't touch the bottom getting tired and I'm like and I yell yell for Scotty I'm like Scotty what you know I couldn't nowhere to be found to help and I start panicking I'm like get my get my breath get my breath and I'm thinking all these thoughts went through my brains uh my girlfriend Scotty going to find me dead you know like I can't get back and I'm like don't give up that's the thing just like don't give up and so I thought about giving up for a second that's how tired I was like I can't give up and so I just swim finally can touch my feet on the ground and I was like this with the water over my and then then it was higher again but I'm like okay I know I'm almost there and then fought back again this time I was like this high and then this ey and then work and finally man when I was waste in the tide the current was pulling me back and I was like I'm not stopping I wasn't even going to stop to rest I was so scared even though I was exhausted wow made it to Shore and my girlfriend's like hey what's wrong I'm like you don't realize I just almost died Jesus yeah that [ __ ] is scary um I yeah I'm terrified of that I um I I'm yeah I have I definitely have a phobia of uh like deep water deep water which is crazy cuz I did the factory trolling in the Bearing Sea you mean [ __ ] middle of winter um but yeah I went to I was out at Ka in Kawaii um with FiFi and uh we decided we wanted to take one of they they do these trips where they take you out and um in the morning where the waves are gnarly and uh anyway we get we get to we go around north of the island or whatever cruising is beautiful out and the water Cals to where we're at at that at that time and I had to piss so bad but I was on a boat with like a bunch of strangers like well it's like a it's like the rubber rafts you know what I mean there's like six people here and six people on this side were're like holding on MH and um I got a piss so bad that it's like starting to hurt you know and um they were just like just hang off the side of the boat and when I hung off the side of the boat and saw my feet dangling and to and then to just into complete Blackness bro I couldn't piss I could not piss I almost had to go to the hospital because it was like 45 minutes to get back to where we were going the passengers felt bad they're like no they jumped they started jumping off and pissing in the water you could do it you can do it like can't do it can't do it [ __ ] and then and then we we're traveling and then somebody suggests well why don't you just hang off the boat we won't look so I'm like hanging off the back of the boat my one of the P passenger strangers has me by the back of my belt buckle you know I'm [ __ ] sitting there Fifi's rubbing my back come on you can do it I because I can't do it I got so shook from the ocean and being out there God dude when I got back to shore I like limped to the bathroom finally pissed didn't have I thought my bladder was going to explode this [ __ ] actually hurt bad and it could have happened actually you can like you can get you can injure yourself by not pissing really exposure bladder um anyway uh yeah so I have a probably a healthy fear of deep water I'm cool yeah I me maybe some past life [ __ ] I don't know yeah the ocean is a some scary [ __ ] man it's easy to easy to drown out there so it don't care um well man we've been going at it for a couple hours really um enjoyed hanging out and kind of getting to know personally your story more um you you done you come out of Nashville and represented really really well and I can't think of uh you know a rside anybody who's more talented man it's like like brother not knocking anybody else but your talent is undeniable man and the creativity and as an artist it's um you know I'm a creative too so you know we see other creatives and you know you stand out in that aspect in in a city full of very creative people people thank you um yeah thank you man anything you want to uh say before you you go no man just thanks for having me and um yeah anytime you want to kick it man hit me up all right let's do it appreciate you brother well thank you thank you brother ego supersedes your talent in a lot of ways I was literally willing to die for it and I mean that how did you end up meeting Eminem my homie uh Jim Johnson was doing satellites That Eminem record he's like yo seriously you heard wolf yet and he hadn't so he played on Pop the trunk and he filmed it and send it to me days later we were in Detroit there I was standing in front of Marshall I didn't give myself a plan B I was 30 years old before I landed a record deal so it was a long grind I run toward the monster mhm that's my way of dealing with fear I got to be face to face with it I can't turn my back on it can't run from I got to run toward it oh what's the new album War Story double album I called it War Story tipping my hat to love story and what we've been through since Love Story the soldiers we've become you know the soldier I've become the general the leader now it's by far my best hip hop project for sure yellow wolf welcome to the podcast appreciate it Ed thanks for having me man man I'm extremely excited to have you I've been wanting to interview for you for a while got a lot of good Nashville people in here and uh can't really think of anybody better than you so oh dude thanks man yeah man yeah one of the one of The Originals so when when did you actually move to Nashville um I moved to Antioch Tennessee first time well we went to Franklin when I was about seven 8 years old mhm and then from Franklin um we moved to Antioch and I was about maybe 10 11 years old so I spent my formidable years in Antioch and Nashville coming up you know I I eventually I moved to Atlanta um and then back to Alabama and then I've been back as as an adult in Nashville again for like uh 14 years now how old are you now 44 44 okay so graduated or I don't know if you graduated high school but 97 is was didn't graduate grad actually so uh I barely did so but I was 99 um where where did you go so oh so I went to 15 different schools okay I went to you know throughout those three states and um in Tennessee there was three schools in Franklin that I don't remember the names of uh and then there was Apollo Apollo Middle School I remember that there was a school before Apollo as well and then cardal AR Middle School you know before that's Davidson County if I remember they they would bus us actually from Antioch okay uh they were integrating the schools they wereing bringing kids from the projects to Antioch and sending kids from Antioch to the projects M which I I get what they were trying to do but they were just really creating a huge drug ring yeah connections everywhere in the city bigger gangs yeah um but um yeah I went to Hillsboro High School went to Antioch high school and then um then I went off to Atlanta went to a few schools there then to gadon fin finally to Southside where I spent really like about 6 months and um the school counselor called me in this true story and she was like hey uh I had already faed like four grades I was supposed to be a senior I was still in between ninth and 10th grade classes I I don't think I ever brought a book to school or even a backpack for that matter uh after sixth grade I just completely checked out and she was like um yeah I I think it'd be best if you just got your GED you know you can you can leave I was like I can leave yeah 16 man and um [ __ ] I I never look back man actually I went on a skate trip to Tampa skated Tampa Am uh which is a the biggest skateboard contest in the world in 97 so you were a skateboarder and like you met Edward you were uh through school or through like tagging through through ART yeah through tagging at school we met but through ART is how we connected I was had a Sketchbook I think in the lunchroom and I'm you know I used to write coma k m a and um you know I was sketching out some some burners or whatever and he looked over my shoulder he's like hey you're a writer and I was like yeah you and that that was it we were fit to be tied after that um and um yeah I think that day actually I was like let's go let's go right we were already hitting tunnels and tagging and [ __ ] by that night and uh we went back to his crib this is hilarious and um went down into his basement and uh he's like yo uh I do magic I was like what you do magic he's like yeah I'm a magician I was like really for real and he showed me all this [ __ ] he could like saw people in half and you know pull rabbit rabbit out of hats and [ __ ] and all kinds of car tricks okay it was just interesting most interesting person I think I've ever met Edward Crow yeah he he definitely uh definitely very talented who becomes a magician at 14 years old and you're a graffiti writer yeah I don't I I don't know I I never talked him about this so I'm going to dig in what what was the most impressive uh magic trick Edward did Chang my career um no um um he's got some pretty crazy card tricks you know like I know by I know the trick so you know as a as an assistant I can't tell man you see some of these uh mentalists doing their stuff like that Oz guy Oz Pearlman I think his name is yeah man I mean I've been watching the videos and just trying to figure out how he knows these things about their childhood you have any idea how they do this stuff I'm not sure I think that like I do believe some people are are honestly blessed and they I I do believe some people are mediums for real you know you just tapped in sure you know some people tap into to some [ __ ] you know I mean we all are tapped into something you know what I mean and if we exercise it enough it becomes unbelievable to someone who hasn't exercised that part of their mind or their creativity or whatever um I think with practice passion you can become amazing at pretty much anything you know yeah it's just uh it's it's just a very interesting part of the mind that he chose to tap into you instead of becoming a professional athlete yeah you know um but yeah my my grandmother's rest in peace Mama um she had that ability too you know what what would she do well she would uh actually um she she could like astral project and um she used to come like it's going to sound insane but it it's true she used to come like you know dream interact you know with me when I was a little boy especially you know I had some some um some trauma that was happening when I was a little kid and um I thought I was dreaming at at at the time she flew through my window pulled me out of the bed flew me around over the over the river tucked me in her house tucked me in her bed and I I remember waking up and crying I was like 5 years old and I had you know went through some [ __ ] that night and um when I was like 14 or 15 I was like Mama you uh I tell you about this dream I had I was like I never told you about this but I was you know I got beat up basically by my mom's um boyfriend and um uh I had a dream that you you came in my window and she said yeah and I took you and we Flew Over the River and I took you to the house and I tucked you in and she finished my dream she finished what happened y you know and I just grew up with that that mysticism and that that belief you know like ghost in the house that was a real thing you know and she was a self-proclaimed witch you know like she you know she believed in all that she believed in good you know Earth magic stuff like that so we had like a lot of stuff around we had Ouija boards around the house you know that's the kind of family I was raised around you know just that deep southern Mystic yeah you know lifestyle you do you uh you believe in like the spiritual are you are you spiritual person what you say yeah I'm definitely a spiritual person I'm not a religious person I I do believe in a higher power you know you know I'm as as life as you get older you know uh it becomes actually harder to Define than it than it was when I was a kid you know it's there's so there's more questions than answers so uh these days I'm just floating around you know and figuring it out um I that's a sign of maturity say there's more questions than answers because a lot of stuff years ago I thought I had figured out and now I'm like I know less now than I did than I thought I knew then in a spiritual sense absolutely you become smarter you you you get better at life but you you you you just you really scratch your head about what you thought you had figured out when you were kid you know I mean I used to I used to be really deep deep into it like you know as far as my own you know egyptology and numerology and um you know being a native to the stars and you know me and my crew we took it far there used to be this spot in Edington Georgia ran by this guy named Dr York and it was pretty much a cult you know uh he had redid the Sphinx and the Pyramid of Giza and scale size he had his own libraries and and a cult of people that would follow him and it was all about you know Jesus was an alien and you know and all and explaining and in detail what what species was from what galaxy and who they were and why they how long they've been there you know all those all that crazy [ __ ] and um which you know I was sold on it you know when I was a kid I was all about it and it still stayed with me like aliens and have always been a theme around my music and you know my fans my core fans know that it's always been a part of my you know I sneak in lyrics and the act the opening to love story was an abduction an alien abduction like a skit um but yeah like I said I know less now you know and there like I said there's still there's more question questions now than there were then I thought like oh yeah no yeah I got it figured out I didn't know [ __ ] you know and uh yeah I'm still learning I'm just a student you know yeah absolutely I find that way like with science like nine years ago I would have thought like oh I I know this this this and that and I've uh you know Dove head first like this is a textbook on immunotherapy for cancer and like you know you start going through the textbooks and you start going through you know all of the different things that are out there I'm like I know way less now than I thought I knew then what guided you into this path um well my mom was sick we didn't have any options in America so I tore my LCL PCL meniscus training Fighters uh 2009 2008 is and uh Team doctors gave me um opiates so I got addicted to opiates for a couple years oh [ __ ] that sucks yeah it was tough and uh so about a couple years in I been there by the way yeah man it's a lot of people have now and I went to a therapist and I was like hey you know I'm still running all my companies and stuff but I'd rather have a clear brain and deal with the pain than a foggy brain and no pain and he said America's behind the times when it comes to Opie withdraw Google IBO gain and so I Google IBO gain it's supposedly the strongest psychedelic drug in the world uh stops 100% of OPI withdrawals I was skeptical but it was illegal in America uh available in Mexico so uh I watched a couple documentaries I'm like you know what I believe those people what is it a roote or yeah it comes from the tabern iboga route in Gabon Africa it's what the buti use for the rights of passive ceremony and so the ioga root bark um has a bunch you just spit that out like it's like weird like a like it was a McDonald's order that was way too natural oh what what what what say what it is again yeah so uh so it comes from the tabern iboga route in Gabon uh Africa and um it's what the buti tribe tribe yep the buti use for the rights of Passage ceremony and they do the whole root bark and they do it like for days that's it's hardcore like three four days at a time well this is one alkaloid specifically out of that root Mark that the science now I understand the science it binds to the opiate receptor and stops 100% of withdrawals so you can take your heroin addict who's been on three grams of heroin a day they do iel gain they're going to trip for 30 hours but they're going to be clean when they get done M yeah it's wild so did you commit you went and you oh yeah you went on the you did the journey yeah I went to FL Mexico City um uh took a bus to taslan which is a couple hours south did IO G at A Place Called ioga Quest shout out to aoga Quest helped me out a lot and um aboga aboga Quest Quest yeah and um I was home 72 hours later never had a withdrawal never had a craving and so I thought you know if that can help people but isn't available in the United States what else is out there my mom was really sick without options in America and so she had failed all of her standard treatment for her ra um she gotten multiple staff infections she got tuberculosis because the side effects just killing your immune system and we were out of options and there was a study that I had read from 1923 on ky's toxins for rheumatoid arthritis and this is like this uh killed dead bacteria mixed in a vaccine form and I was like that makes sense because it stimulated the immune system instead of suppressed it and I thought my mom needs to reset our immune system it was like intuitive that's how it should work now looking back you know I'm like what did I know then but it made sense and so there was a hospital in Mexico that had it but had been closed for a couple years and so Scotty and dedric my two partners and I found the original owner we bought the hospital from him hired back the staff my mom came in a wheelchair and she left three weeks later walking and she's been a remission ever since wow and so that was the Catalyst behind it all but so I mean I got to ask how did you buy a hospital well um where did I mean where is it was an old you know so it's in Tiana it's probably 30 years old needed a lot of work and um we made a deal with the owner um the building was just sitting there not doing anything and we're like hey um you know he was trying to to sell it couldn't get any buyers and we just worked out a deal with them wow yeah so that was a that was a catalyst behind it but um there's a lot of stuff out there man you know like that's a talk about a spiritual journey that was a whole spiritual journey you know so the hospital functions as but I mean what's the primary well what we're most known for is stem cells we're the largest manufactur going to get too yeah we're the largest manufacturer of mimal stem cells in the world right now and then um the cancer side the stem cells funds all of our cancer research um we're building the best solid tumor genomics lab on the planet right now should be done in July and um but um you know it's a passion and um we actually treat it with psych dude you're like the most interesting man in the world oh man than crazy the hell well you know what a story we're from Nashville man this is what they what they teach Nashville born and raised yeah so where did you go to school Overton oh wow yeah and you went to college as well no I was fighting um you know the M like UFC wasn't big then so I just wanted to fight because like a lot of people didn't know about it and I was like just obsessed with it kind of like you said you were skateboarding you know not everybody skateboards but when you get into it you know you're hardcore into skateboarding same thing with fighting back in the day and uh I always wanted to know like I'm I'm curious in the sense what works and what doesn't work like what style I didn't have money growing up so I would go through the Yellow Pages and I'd call the martial arts school the karate I'm like hey can your kung fu beat this karate like I would just like talk to him this because I was so curious then when the UFC came out it's like oh [ __ ] you know it's Brazilian jiu-jitsu sick Yeah man so but you're you're just selftaught and as far as you know the medical field is is all just selftaught yeah a lot of good teachers though you know we have a good a lot of a lot of great scientists work with us so get to ask questions constantly so you get to realize how much you don't know W yeah see that blows my mind you know like it's uh listening to you you know to retain all of that and repeat it I would have to listen to you I understand what you're saying you know what I mean but for it to stick MH and and and and reiterate that to someone it takes a lot of time it takes a lot of time for it to like stay with you you know well I think about like with your music though for instance you probably like you memorize songs and the meaning uh behind the lyrics and you know you're able to once you're passionate about something you're able to spit it out yeah and you're known for like just spitting out wild [ __ ] like more complicated than anybody else can say and think I mean so you you have that you know massively creative brain that you know I would assume most rappers wish they could do what you can do you know that type of a brain is you well the um the process man to to get to the point of uh uh writing you know writing songs writing lyrics raps singer song writer songs whatever it is uh it with me started with just gibberish you know like just I I wish I still had this collection of notebooks um I lost all of well a large portion of my childhood that I had I mean I'm talking about from books to boom boxes all the all the even even old stuffed animals old blankets and there we lost it in a storage unit that didn't get paid for um but I had a stack of notebooks literally up to my waist and every single page was front and back full of lyrics and most of it is just like you know it's like shadow boxing it's it's not it's just the practice of writing rhyming and figuring out how to not just be skillful as a rapper but or an artist in general but what that was what that looked like and what it should sound like was the biggest challenge like when it clicked that oh I'm a white boy from a TR trailer park and Huntsville Alabama and oh I bump 36 mafia and Metallica and Hank Williams Oh my God Catfish Billy and I'm like oh [ __ ] it it started you know what I'm going to talk about how I'm going to bring my culture mhm that was the hardest part to figure out and it was literally like the lights just turned on one day one day when when was that what' you say um Huntsville Alabama I want to say 23 years ago 24 years ago which would be what 200 oneish yeah I no 2003 2003 when it was like oh [ __ ] you know it just kind of figuring that out and then you know I I was 30 years old before I landed a record deal you know what I mean so it was a long grind yeah of getting there and uh and figuring that part out too you know like I I don't know how typically doctors or or surgeons go to school for 10 to 15 years you know mhm so I went I went to school in my all right you know yeah pretend to 15 years you know and that um 10,000 hour thing is a real real thing I agree into anything and you know I'm up to $100,000 at this point you know um I mean when you were going to that 10e Journey so you know 10 year or so Journey um did you know that you were going to be successful was it like a your focus you're like it might not be now but it's it's happening man I I you know I didn't give myself a plan B um that was my strategy and uh I was literally willing to die for it and and I mean that literally you know I put myself in the most dangerous situations and um and just was not going to stop and there was a certain you know ego can ego supersedes your talent in a lot of a lot of ways I'm sure for a lot of people it did for me but it's that knowing that you're going to do it and knowing that you are going to win and making these affirmations and you know visualizing who you are and that was a real thing you know like you know in uh 99 you know I I went out to se took a gron bus to Seattle and slept on the streets and got on a boat you know did The Deadliest Catch [ __ ] you know like for a whole season um just to make a supposed 20 grand that I was going to buy my music equipment with and came home with $1,000 that's a whole another story um but I came back like really strong mentally after that trip but um but yeah just like putting myself in the absolute gnarliest situations and uh I I always thought like you know like I I run toward the monster mhm you know that's my way of dealing with fear you know is I got to be face to face with it I can't turn my back on it can't run from I got to run toward it and uh you know I just go in man to you know I to this day I just you know killer in Killer Instincts you know and you know that as a fighter you know it's all good so you get in the ring and then it's [ __ ] you know become a monster got perform yeah yeah you know it's just part of uh part of the the ritual of being an artist man is like and and that's some something that some artists unfortunately will never grasp and those are the artists that end up going and getting a job yeah well when I when I hear you you speak it it reminds me like when whenever I interview people that are successful actually most people I interview are successful you know they all say they they had this Vision in their in their head and they knew you know they were going to do it hell or high water you know you were willing to die you didn't you you didn't leave any other option b you know and you know and when people hear that they think well well they might think well is it just my brain but you also worked really really hard and sacrif the the the work ethic and the and the ego that that had to feed my talent I had to get good if I wanted to be an artist I had to get [ __ ] good you know so just the practice the practice and falling in falling down in front of people that's that's that's probably the ultimately the hardest thing when it comes to being an artist you know uh visual artist or you know um making music is and in hip-hop you know it's hardcore you know you know ciphers in the streets you know sketchy clubs sketchy people sketchy situations and then just the brutal honesty of hip-hop you know like getting booed off stage [ __ ] thrown at you spit on the worst things said about you and you have to persevere through all of that you know and um so falling down in front of people I think is uh that's that's the hardest thing uh to deal with you know when you're out there yeah you know but you got back up every time have to well you keep you keep getting back up until you know then it's like then you take your shirt off and you're like [ __ ] it you know I i' I've been um I was out opening them opening for an artist um with Khalifa one time and we're playing this college and uh my we we were up to like 10 11 shows and it was hit or miss and when I say hit or miss I mean like 5050 like I was probably going to get booed and we all kind of knew that and we were up to 10 shows and you know I had a record popping you know Pop the trunk I was out and and going crazy at the time and uh but for whatever reason it didn't didn't connect with a lot of these fans but um uh I remember the night that I where I just where I just stopped giving a [ __ ] entirely cuz I was getting hit so hard with it m um and you know I'm making $400 a night you know to to put four of us in one hotel room mhm we're torn in a van what the what do you want from me you know like like come on uh so I just remember one night they started booing and [ __ ] I walked out on stage they just started booing immediately and uh so I just took my shirt off and just sat there and just stared at them all and I was like Hey Y'all Ready for Whiz Khalifa they go off you going to have to [ __ ] deal with me first and um I I look I look to the right and my my old manager bear man he was he's a huge cat you know like from the streets for real and he was crying you know cuz like we were going [ __ ] through it you know M but that's that's the kind of [ __ ] that makes you you know y oh [ __ ] man there's a lot of artists that's never been booed man it's pretty crazy I as I asked some of these people they're like N I never that's never happened to me I'm like I think for for you to come up like you're a white rapper especially like now it's start you're starting to see it more but like you know 15 years ago you know you had Eminem but like there weren't a lot of other white rappers coming up no I mean I you know you could say that it's not a thing anymore and I think it's a lot less of a thing but [ __ ] when I was coming up you know going to the atrium in Atlanta Georgia in 1997 or 96 and to a 36 mafia mystical concert MH there's no other white boys in there yeah you know and um and that but that was my world you know and um I was completely comfortable you know comfortable in it loved it actually you know so yeah it's a different different thing man you know going going to Bankhead in Georgia to a strip club and you know like grabbing the mic you know what I mean and but when you start rapping they have to have have some respect right I mean like if they might be booing for a for they booing the whole time or they like damn okay you know well yeah I mean there's certain people in there's certain cats that you know that get sold on it as the show progresses but this is not always the cas you know I mean obviously we've we've killed it you evolved way past that but back in the day I should say um but there's yeah there's some proven ground you know and I'm not really I'm not easily digestible I get it you know like you know white boy with a [ __ ] mullet mohawk with tattoos and from Alabama talking this country [ __ ] you know with and you know but you you couldn't deny my skill you might not like me you might not like the music but you certainly couldn't deny the skill level or the quality of the music you know you know some you know not everybody's for everybody my mama don't like Bob Dylan I don't get it I don't understand it she she despises his music and hates the way he sounds I love Bob Dyan yeah but you know so you you know you just got to find your you got to find your people you got to find your tribe and we've done that yeah sler baby yeah I want to get into sler uh but first how did you end up meeting Eminem and how did that whole connection kind of come about um well you know let's say like okay so in 2000 I was in New York and uh I signed a uction deal with this dude named Mark seagull and Mark seagull passed on Eminem and in his office he had a whole stack of tapes and I just happened to see a tape on the floor it's 2000 and it was a in to deep tape which was white rappers right and he had overdubbed into deep with his demo okay Eminem that he gave to Mark Mark passed on him um so I put that tape in my pocket I stole and I took it home and I and and I told my my cousin Jared I was like and we're sitting in an apartment and the [ __ ] Rusty ass 80 82 box Chevy Caprice you know like with on food stamps and a [ __ ] in the hood basically and um and I pulled that tape out and I was like look at this [ __ ] I was like one Dam will put this in his hands bro I promise you and he goes damn right you are and you know that I think that there's like there's there's this when you're in the bottom together you know what I mean there's it anything's possible you know what I'm saying anything's [ __ ] possible it's like when he said that you know when I when I look back on that um I know why he said damn rights cuz he needed me to be successful as much as I needed him to be successful you know but man you know 10 years later I did I put that I put that tape right in his hands and I didn't ask for a photo I didn't ask for any documentation for it it that was for me nice um but how I met Marshall um specifically was uh you know we got a deal with Colombia um [ __ ] my years get away with me in like 200000 uh like well [ __ ] I don't know what it was I forget but my first deal was in with with Colombia then Rick Rubin came into Colombia and fired everybody so that deal was gone M and I had to go back to gadon and we got it cracking again popped the trunk came out and was buzzing real hard so we had deals on the table u a lot of deals but you know I had already done the song and dance you know performing for people in their offices and nothing happening and you know so I la re brought me in to do um to give me a deal this days before Christmas we didn't have [ __ ] I didn't have [ __ ] still and uh like literally like 3 days before Christmas you know and my kids are kids you know like I got a Christmas to take care of I got nothing and um I'm in a house with no heat I mean dude we're like boiling water to take baths and leaving the oven open to heat the house type of deal and um he offered me he well he brought me into the office and I was with Kanan prayther Jay Dot Jones Courtney seals bear myself we went into the office and and and LA Reid had brought the whole company into into his office he sat me down in front of his desk he's like yellow wolf something like yellow Wolf's going to give y'all the AC cappella version of what he does and he put on a beat and I was I looked at KP and I looked at La I said man La I'm not doing this I'm not doing doing this right now man like I this is this never works so I got a show opening up for rayquan tomorrow night if y'all want to come see me perform you come see me I'll be in Harlem and uh and he goes well what are we doing I was like I don't know what are we doing and Kanan kicked me so [ __ ] hard under the table and uh he said I guess nothing I said I guess nothing then and the whole whole company was like this dude just turned oh my God and then as soon as I walked out of that door my anxiety [ __ ] swallowed me I was like oh my God I I thought I was going to [ __ ] puke I was like I just I just [ __ ] my I just [ __ ] it all up I [ __ ] everything up my managers wouldn't even speak to me and that next night when I did open up for rayquan I walked out on that [ __ ] stage I Was So Gone In My Head about what had happened I was like yo what up I'm yellow wolf this is my first time in Alabama and oh my God boo went off on me first time in Alabama what an idiot um but I I got through that and um I think a month or two passed and [ __ ] Pop the trunk was still buzzing really heavy but I still didn't have [ __ ] you know I wasn't like getting like I didn't have [ __ ] quite yet you know um not [ __ ] meaning no deal still in the same piece of [ __ ] house um so la calls me and and personally and I just want to have a meeting with just me and you just me and you and I I I it was me Kanan Prather and La Reed and uh so he sets a date to fly me up there back to New York to have this personal one-on-one meeting with him and uh so I went to Waffle House up the street and I wrote and memorized this verse for him and um and uh we went up into the office and Kanan didn't know no one knew I had this ver um and he sat me down in front of him and um he was playing Pink Floyd and the and when I walked through the door I saw I was like ah he's been studying me he knows all like classic rock so he's playing Pink Floyd and he goes you know what the song's about and I was like no not really he goes if you listen to the lyrics they're saying the they're talking to a CEO and the CEO asks the band you guys are great but which one of you is pink and so what he's saying is they the CEO didn't know who the [ __ ] he was talking to you know um I'm just like you you know and we're the same person I used to be an artist and so look are we going to do this let's do this and I stood up and turned my back and I walked out and I walked over to the to the to the windows looking over Manhattan and I just started [ __ ] snapping on this verse with my back turned about how hard Christmas was how hard it was to to to tell him no and why I had to tell him no at that time and why I was going to tell him no again and when I turned around Kanan K was crying it was an emotional thing sure and I was like I was like man KP you play my [ __ ] for Eminem yet and he goes you're crazy you're crazy wolf seriously you're crazy and so so Jimmy ien I guess heard about that and when I went to play South by Southwest Jimmy sent um Todd Parker out to which is a good friend of mine now Todd Parker out to follow me around South by Southwest and we [ __ ] South by Southwest up we snapped you know I was doing like four shows a day and uh Jimmy Jimmy had Todd and I and Kanan FL flown to LA and straight to his house so we let we had done that whole weekend and then we flew out Monday morning straight to his house and was sitting on his sitting on his couch in his living room waiting for him he comes out he goes listen man I heard what happened I don't want we're not going to do none of that tap danceing [ __ ] he goes Luke he's talking to Luke wood he Luke bring the checkbook and he and he brings the checkbook and I was like hey hey man listen you don't have to cut a check man I I respect how you've done that to begin with and honestly I love inter scope and you know I've always been a fan you I know I know the history I know I knew some of this history you know connection to Fleet with mac and all that and um so I respected the way he handled it and I was like man it's all good man I'm I'm in let's let's let's go he goes you like basketball so he took me that he's said yo crank the car took me courtside to see the Lakers and um you know he a couple days later he had pitch to uh to partner up with with Eminem and then um Eminem it it wasn't really happening quickly but then my homie uh Jim Johnson was doing satellites That Eminem record uh Satellites with Haley in Miami and Jim Johnson because he's such a [ __ ] real friend and a homie he's like yo seriously you heard wolf yet and he hadn't seen it so he played him Pop the trunk the video and he filmed it and sent it to me he had somebody filming Marshall watching and I was like oh my God oh my God [ __ ] it was like days later we were in Detroit and uh we just clicked man it just happened and uh you know and there it was there I was standing in front of Marshall and he when he walked around the corner he walked around the corner reciting Pop the trunk oh nice word for word that's awesome like spitting it back to me I was mind blown when when did you give him that tape um so after we signed with him after we signed with him uh I think within that month we were like [ __ ] it let's go do an album you know let's just go to album so we locked in um uh myself po bear uh at Molly Ms in Vegas with willpower and um uh we did we did an album and and when we went back to LA to see Marshall at his Super Bowl lipin party and it was me uh Dr Dre um slaughterhouse Marshall myself um Paul Rosenberg kpj dbear and I was sitting next to Marshall and I was like hey man uh I did a album he said you did an album cuz I was like yeah I did an album he goes what he's like Paul he did an album and uh he goes what and they were both like what what let's let's hear it so he set up a studio time the next day and and um uh I had that tape in my bag on purpose I knew that I had the album and I knew that I might have an opportunity to play it for him and uh so the next day I walked in the studio I was like hey man I got something to show you and um I've had this for 10 years and I put it in his hands and he goes what he told me the apartment he was living in when he cut it him and Royce were living together in this apartment you know what I mean he knew exactly the tape it was his tape for real and um he knew about Mark seagull he knew about it he knew obviously he knew everything but it was legit yeah what if it wasn't his tape though yeah you're like what this isn't me yeah that's awesome man yeah little things like that that people that respect the game no matter if it's rap or if it's fighting or you know know that people will respect that type of thing you know those the meaningful stuff the little things yeah you know and after that it was like you know what else can I manifest you know MH you know that was a that was a very like a moment for me and because it was so I think that I believe that I I was U may have been rewarded in a way you know energetically like by not wanting to be photographed or you know to be filmed or to that was because I just made that just for me MH that whole 10 years that it took you know yep to get there um yeah man it it it it it woke up that that power that's given given we're all given that power mhm if you can just get through the the [ __ ] yeah amazing things will happen and every person has the ability everybody you think like why do PE most people fail it's because they quit too soon you know yeah like it's like that's that's what it is they quit if you kept going there's times to give up certain things but for the most part you know that perseverance and drive and not quitting you only fail you win every once in a while mhm you always fa that that's part of it that's like the you have to look at fail failing as winning it's like it's like your stepping stone every every loss every failure every [ __ ] it's only perceived as a loss for real because when you look back you're like ah yeah I had to go through that in order to get to he yep it's it's hard you know the [ __ ] sucks you know but there's a quote that came to mind when you said that success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm you know yeah that's what it is yeah you just got to brush it off man and some things are harder to brush off than others man but you got to you got to get up and go so what was it like there so so you you you're with Eminem then you knew you were like now this thing that I've been dreaming of the last 10 years and working really hard with my head down and not you know being in a spot light now it's here like what's the mindset then um well I I actually didn't know what to expect or how hard it was going to be for me you know the obviously the blessing of being in the the company of of Eminem especially a white rapper from Alabama was everybody wanted to be a part of this project everybody cuz they thought it was going to be the biggest album in the world and um you know so creatively uh I was a bit um nervous of losing my control you know and I did lose a great deal of control in a lot in in different areas and I had to earn that back um but I knew that there was going to be a time almost immediately where I was going to have to say no to Marshall cuz I didn't agree with something creatively I knew that moment was going to happen at some point and it did and it's difficult you know difficult conversations man how how did how did he take it um he took it like I you know like maybe I would have as well you know like like a creative we're we're creative people you know and it wasn't really criticism it was just a disagreement on a a a mix or or like you know a mix on less role with with kid rock or you know things like that or like wanting to bring in Malay uh to do some drum programming because I I was felt strong that he should be in the session um and you know I after after radioactive that was my freshman album uh I think they knew and then also we knew where we kind of took our hands off the will and so when I set out to do love story I I just I came back to Tennessee and locked in and um yeah I came back to Nashville and just I I didn't want to be interrupted in any kind of way I had to see this Vision through exactly how I wanted it to be you know that scene in Wayne's World where they go from this really rad underground show to getting picked up straight corporate yep you know what I mean yep that's what happened to me yeah all the way up into changing my logo creating merch that was whack yeah you know like all the things man all the stupid corporate things B corporate [ __ ] it didn't have anything to do with Marshall that was that was on the inner scope side you know like just the it was just so corny a lot a lot of [ __ ] was so corny so I had to survive that [ __ ] the only way that I could survive that um was to lock in and and try to make the album of my lifetime up until that point so that's what we set out to do man and um but I earned a lot of respect and a lot of trust after love story you know I knew what I was doing yeah well that's a thing too like if you have a disagreement with somebody even if they're say Legends in their field or whatever like if there's respect you can have that that's what that's actually what creating is kind of about I mean business I know that like I have two business three business partners now but two of us have lived together for nine years and we go at it constantly in a healthy way in nine years I bet you we might have only had two or three real arguments that's and we've lived together um but you know there's a ECT where you know we know that we want what's best for whatever we're doing and so and we know that the other person does too and so you can have that you know very direct dialogue uh and that's how you know really you can get a lot of stuff done so I was curious with somebody like uh Eminem you know Legend and uh you know is it you know sometimes um in certain situations egos can get in the way not that he's got a big ego or whatever I I don't know if about him but uh yeah so his Rea that's his reaction I was curious to see how he reacted with that and was it you know did it did it add to the project you know man like I Marshall is like um uh I mean he's that dude man you know I it there's a lot of power in that person you know and you see that when you're opening up for him in front of three 300,000 people at slay Castle you know what I mean like dude is done a lot there's a lot of there's a lot of energy that comes with uh with that you know so um I was very careful with it sure you know and respectful you know I looked at it I looked at him like a Sensei sure you know absolutely and that was it you know and that's how I treated it and if I to the point where you know if if I had to go to war with them then that's what I would do yeah you know and um because I signed up for that that was my team yep and that was my leader I love it so I rode that line you know and uh that that was it you know I had to earn my way M you know and he gave me great advice man I mean I remember one time I was um I was [ __ ] so hung over man we were in New York City and uh um Mark knocked on my my bus and was like yo we got to we got to interview ESPN and I was like ESPN what [ __ ] I like yeah ESPN tell it's television whatever program I mean I know this I know ESPN but I don't know I don't remember what the show was but they're doing this interview and it's like I'm in this green box and it's it's like remote so the guys are interview inter me or in another green screen room in another state or something so it's like via it's like you know they got a camera I'm in New York there in Miami or some [ __ ] and the interview just went South man and um and I didn't realize how massive the show was massive but I don't you know I don't I didn't follow I wasn't keeping up with television I still don't but I was like so it went South and Mar call me like the next day he was like hey man you don't have to do this [ __ ] you know that right like you don't have to do these interviews man you can say no if you're uncomfortable just get up and leave you know you don't have to do this you know if something makes you feel weird then then trust your gut and leave and I was like I will I will and I did I did a lot I did a lot I said no I started saying no more than yes to most things after that interview wise MH Publications magazines you know um blogs whatever whatever it was you know I was just like nah I'm not I'm not I'm not mentally there and started being more choosy about you know who who I talk to like um yeah so and in that moment and that advice it helped me to get my brand sharper mhm you know it's okay to say no you know hell yeah cuz as you're coming up you're on the ground you're like I want to just do everything I can but you get to a point where it's like actually no actually no yeah I'm good yeah um there yeah that's a bob told me that too Kid Rock yeah he's like dude just learn to say no yeah it's powerful don't take first offers you know I mean like just no good um and then you know like it's like putting you put NOS through a strainer to get that one yes that's right that's good advice um after that tour with Eminem like when did the slamer brand start dude slamer started as a phrase and then I mean dude that was like [ __ ] con the concept of it 22 years ago maybe I started calling things slumerican it was like slum American slumerican and that was just like at first it was just visual like uh that that dude in the big 4x4 pickup truck but he's listening to UGK MH you know that's some SL American [ __ ] or like broke down Cadillac on bricks in front of the yard with the weight bench just visually as some SL American [ __ ] you know and and then it became came then I put slamaran down the back of one leg and then shits on the other and I was like yo if if I ever get arrested then the cops can just read my legs while I'm on the ground a SL American shitizen uh and then I went went up to Atlanta and and recorded a record with Killer Mike cost American shitizen cuz I started throwing it around so much I was like man this makes a lot of sense um this is a way to like to like label who we are label this culture this culture is very specific but this is a great name for it m and the idea of you know from Fashion to Art to music to photography you know what whatever it whatever you do if you get it there's a way to to put it to to involve it in what you do like if you're you know you build Harley's you know but you get the music you you understand why you like Harley's and and you also like the white Yokum and but you also like NWA and you know there's a there's a certain cloth that you're cut from and so you know at one point honestly we have more people in in the world with SL American tattoos then we had even printed a shirt yet you know just it was like this idea so um yeah so we started like you know creating a a company and and a brand and now dude you know we've got a whole merch company over in Barry Hill where we print and distribute all our own stuff um an imprint situation for SL American for artist residency at East whiskey company creekwater you know did a shot a movie in Mexico that'll be coming out soon um under under the SL American imprint oh yeah was uh that was when when was that movie in Mexico uh mud mouth Zilla when did we shoot mud mouth 2020 oh yeah what was that like oh we shook it during the pandemic that's why me me me DJ Paul and um we got 2020 tattooed because we we considered it the year of the Hustler like and that when all the lights go out who's going to who's going to shake it up you know so we shook it we went out to me Mexico and shot a movie during the man what part of Mexico where you in Mexico City is where we stayed but we Shot the movie you know you know from 4 hours outside of the city to 30 minutes outside the city um how much time did you spend out there we were there for a month right yeah R yeah a month yeah how did you like the the area oh I loved Mexico I love Mexico City I too man I think it's one of the most beautiful places in the world man people people that's like a under uh recognized place for Americans like you hear Mexico City like what that can't be that cool like no it's a cool City man that's rad and I think there's a bit of like the hype the hype around the cartel and all that stuff it kind of keeps keeps people shook but it's they're it's the they're the best people you know Mex Mexico City they're so accommodating and polite and and it's just a beautiful city I mean what other city has pyramids that are what 5,000 years old like up the street yep you so it's like so their ancestors are still there right there in the city you I mean that's crazy to think about did you go to any the there's someone in that City alive that had an ancestor 5,000 years ago in the same place yeah that's lineage you know yeah a lot of it yeah and you see and you see them work like the the crew obviously were all locals and the way they worked you know like rigging and like you know moving cars and whatever you get you know you understand how the pyramids were built you know those are those people are um insane they they they hand sweep the streets man they put armor Raw on their garbage trucks really yeah they shine their tires on the garbage trucks they take pride in everything they do yeah and it it was amazing man and like just culturally what man like I saw a funeral procession from my hotel looking down coming down the Main Street all low riders all Aztec paint jobs nice you know like the real real where it really came from you know all that influence it was sick man yeah man I love that I love that culture I love Mexico City did you go to any of the um pyramids did you visit oh yeah my manager is a nut about pyramids did you go to uh ta ta tein where' we go y yeah that's the third and fourth largest pyramid in the world there yeah I haven't been to Tula yeah no that's whole area what what did you think of those like standing on those giant pyramids well we couldn't get up on them could we not we went to chalula and able to move around there yeah I mean you know um it's just mindblowing man it is we're with the the human race is a lot older than than we're told you know what I mean yeah I think we've been around a long time a long time man when I was doing IBO game this is probably 15 years ago I had this Vision that the world had because I was asking like where do we all come from and at the time I was very against organized religion mhm and it showed me that the religion was good because it kept people it gave people hope specifically and not just giving up but then it showed me the world being destroyed and building up like from the grass to the trees to then the concrete then destruction and you know this thing that it had happened multiple multiple times I don't know if it's true of course but that was that was the visions that the iboga had given me so wow that's crazy yeah no I I I do believe that you know I believe we're it's it's it's heavy we're we are from the Stars we are what we are you know yeah absolutely have you have you done any psychedelics oh God yeah dude what yeah I I I got so heavy into drugs and [ __ ] when I was I was way way way too young to to be doing what I was doing but yeah I started well you know I started smoking weed and when I was like I don't know 11 M you know and then by 12 I had already done um sh you know what sh it's like in bombing fluid I think isn't it you put like in bombing fluid on a cigarette or some [ __ ] okay and then it was it went from that to Huff and Freon out of trash bags 13 14 you know you know doing all the white trash [ __ ] sniffing glue whatever to get stoned whatever to get High um so yeah by the time I'm 14 15 I'm doing paper acid and Antioch you know skateboarding and and then I got into musculin and the jail caps and doing big trips on that and then um finally I was in Atlanta and I got one of those pyramids with they had like gold they were black with like gold it was like some sort of gel and I did that [ __ ] and and some Special K at the same time some ketamine oh man and I and I couldn't come down out of my trip I I was actually scared that I got stuck I was like tripping for like a week and a half two weeks and then and then whatever I would drink would trigger that trip again Tri trip again I couldn't smoke weed I couldn't drink so I was like 17 18 i' I was in Alabama and yeah about 17 and uh my boy's like do some shrooms it ain't the same do some shrooms it ain't the same I like n man I'm telling you man I got stuck I ain't trying to go back there no it's not the same it's not the same and my [ __ ] dumb ass we went and jumped a fence got shot at by the way by this farmer jumped his fence at this farm and picked these mushrooms out of some Cow Patties and my I was idiot I ate a handful of them wet not even dry oh man just straight out the Patty terrible idea and bro when I tell you I tripped for like a month I think oh man I I click completely out something happened and I I wouldn't leave my grandmother's side I wouldn't do [ __ ] you know and after that I was completely bone sober for about five years like I couldn't even drink a Coke you know like anything that would take me out of being you know that I was so scared of tripping again yep so nowadays man I I just drink that's all I do I can't even smoke weed I love weed but I can't smoke weed because it triggers some bipolar [ __ ] you know yep you know it's like sucks man I I went too hard too young I've been there man I've been there You' been stuck oh yes oh yes yeah man and uh like you want to come down and you're like [ __ ] I wish this was over type of deal a number of times yeah I mean the thing is like whenever that happens to me now I don't do it much anymore at all but if it were to happen to me excuse me uh I would just tell myself I know this is will eventually be over so all the anxiety and stuff that I'm feeling on a bad trip I just keep telling myself hey five hours I I'll bring logic into it 5 hours is done done you know if I'm if let's say it was mushroom I had a bad mushroom trip a couple years ago but what if it was a week though a week I wouldn't I wouldn't know what to do like I'm just talking about when I've had bad trips stuck in that like I want to be out of here but can't get out of it IO gain is like that in the sense that it's so long 30 plus hours like you're 5 hours in you're like dang I got another 25 hours left like that's I can't imagine being a weekend like like you were talking about but when I like probably 15 years ago with DMT you know DMT is now kind of popular but back then it wasn't and uh I I had been on this kind of spiritual journey with the psychedelics and I was doing the DMT and it's like basically spit me out and said stop trying to figure this out you're never going to understand it in this world and so I hadn't done any anything hardcore like you I say hardcore but you know like DMT or or anything like that uh since then I've done mushrooms but I kind of gave up on that you know more more in- depth search see I had so I had so much trauma like childhood trauma MH that it it tapped me in anyway like I'm tapped man I I've seen things in my dreams that describe exactly what you guys talk about when you talk about going on iasa trips and I I I know those geome those perfect geometric shapes and and all those things and I I've caught those just in my dreams you know uh and I'm not sure I want to go further M you know what I mean like the astral projection like i' I've I've had out of- body experiences you know and I think that was just some sort of trauma that like kind of woke something up in me you know like whether it was that car accident I was in I was five four years old or maybe some abuse or I don't know I don't know what what what what happened or maybe just genetically like but I may may have gotten something from my grandmother or great-grandmother yeah you know or or My Native American roots that that tie me into that as well you know uh Cherokee and Blackfoot Indian um so yeah there's there's always been a c a part of me that has has been seeking something spiritually sure and when you seek it it it'll find you yeah no I I share that with you like it doesn't for me it doesn't take much of whatever I was doing to be like tapped in like weed if I smoke weed I trip every time I hallucinate and so see I mean see I don't I don't see like I don't know anyone who's ever said that to me like I get it yeah I do I hallucinate I have a different reaction but I mean that's crazy yeah because what why is that they say that is there something I've heard is there musculine in your spine it stays in your spine or something stays in your spine yeah I don't know I I don't know for me the very first time I ever smoked that's what someone told me like you you feel like you're tripping acid because whatever it stays in your spine have you heard that Zilla I think it might be Urban myth Urban myth all right cool yeah oh no he you know why he said that he's trying to get me to do both hey but anyway you you hallucinate when you smoke weight yeah man the first time I ever did it I I uh my face turned into a skeleton looking in the mirror I was like oh gosh oh boy and U I mean I'll do like one puff now SK and I can control I'm like there I'm like I'll keep it together too but I don't it's not nothing on a regular basis because it's so it's so intense I was with um some friends downtown probably about 6 months ago go and I took one hit man and I got so dang paranoid I'm like forget this man this isn't worth it like why don't I take these chances the last time I I attempted to smoke weed um I became every once in a while for some stupid [ __ ] reason I will do it anyway um let me hit that you say every time like damn I'm like D I [ __ ] knew I should have done this [ __ ] and I've had two episodes you know what it is it's the times that it don't happen that'll keep you coming back right and you're like oh I'm cool I'm cool no I'm not cool I'm not cool um uh I was in Atlanta and uh I had smoked some weed I was with willpower and Tess and and clever we were making Trump music forever and I was on one and I said let me hit that I took a dumb big hit of this plunt they were smoking next thing I know my pants are around my ankles completely naked I'm like I'm like holding myself going please don't call the cops on me like crying scared to get another 5150 just don't call the cops I promise I'll be okay right [ __ ] losing it [ __ ] man and then uh you know of course [ __ ] eight months later I'm good let me hit that you know what I mean it's idiot the last time that that I smoked and this was like uh like a month ago I got so self-aware that I scared the [ __ ] out of myself like I looked at the things that I had I was like oh my God I'm I'm yellow wolf what have I done how am I going to handle this you what I'm going to do tomorrow you know like I can't be me this can't be happening like DJ Paul standing in my living room you know like how do I know this guy he's my hero how did I ever meet Eminem you know all these things you become self aare self-awareness is really scary dude yeah it can be you know if it yeah it can be like if you actually break down what you know what you've accomplished in your life and you really dive deep into that in in in detail yeah it's like damn man we've done a lot yeah you know done a lot I think a lot of times we uh you know if if we're looking to achieve and work and we're you know we don't well at least I can speak for myself I don't always look catch it at the time though you know it's like I I don't necessarily take it in like oh wow we've accomplished this this this and that these are great things it's more like what's next yeah yeah yeah for sure but that what that what's next I'm the same m i mean almost upon delivering an album I'm thinking about my next move mhm you know I don't even listen to the music after I've listen like I never go listen to one of my albums ever cuz I listen to it for a year straight making it and you know I got to perform it and all that stuff but I'm always yeah always on to that that next but when you are always on to the next you do forget the stockpile of things that you've created behind you yeah um so it takes that weed every now and then to make think you start diving into that book that you wrote yeah wow yeah so um I get it dude that's the introspection man with IBO gain um it was deeply introspective it was like uh I would look at I was like 5 years old my dad was say yelling at me and it made me realize I'm this way because of that or I'm seven and you know couldn't get the you know I didn't get a pair of tennis some like what seemingly stupid things that didn't make any difference but it was actually lining up points of my life that actually changed you know or made me who I am you know today so deeply introspective I always have like this you know compartmentalizing things that that have happened that's always been like a it's it's it's definitely a source of like an infinite amount of Creative Energy mhm because of these compartments that I can open and go into and um for that I'm very thankful you know for those things um and I've heard like compartmentalizing things is not healthy for you um I've been told that by like a psychiatrist what did you say back well I mean I was just like well I mean I hear you but it certainly works as a writer sure you know what I mean like I know how to get to those places if I need a source of energy energy and like uh I you know it's like a different room in a house I like that's my house you know like I know I know the key to get to that door yeah don't have to go in there every day though and I don't have to burn it down either yeah exactly I think you know having it there is like you know if it's a dark room and I don't need to go in there then I won't but if I do need to go in there for some dark energy then maybe i' you know you know what I'm saying well that's like a Dallas philosophy like with the uh ying and the Yang M so like um where you have your Shadow uh and you know once you once you become okay with your Shadow you can tap into your Shadow when you know you kind of need that and same thing there's something we have that discussion all the time don't we I think tap tapping into that dark energy uh it's vital it's it's part of our survival you know that you have to be that person you might not want to be at the moment or you don't might might not want people to see um and same thing there's something called a golden Shadow which is like the the good version uh and um you know I think people are really afraid of that that compartmentalizing though it's it's kind of a good thing because you don't you don't want that that person that sometimes you need to be to come out all the time you know but there are times where I've done I did like a six-month Shadow course and you know kind of teaching you how to uh you know at least play in it to understand that it's there and to be okay with it and understand the different parts of it and I've used it a lot in business I'll be at a in a conference room sitting and I just tap in man and you know I'm able to you know just um say the uncomfortable thing or you know say be somebody that I don't necessarily want to be I don't you know you don't well for me I don't want to be just mean to people but sometimes you got to be an [ __ ] you know like that's thank you so Amen to that I mean yeah you know like some people don't understand please stop that doesn't resonate right you know you have to be you got to have got to go dark sometimes you know and immediately and um that's the other thing having you know some things need to be handled immediately um but yeah man like as far as like playing with like dark energy in general like I I Relish in that you know I love that and it's also the my favorite music to make is dark darker music and I I I want to say it's really my fans favorite style from me like all my biggest records are they have a Darkness to them till it's gone Pop the trunk you know my fun records are fun you know mhm but as far as the ones that that like set with the fan um are dark and um but I do you know I do things to scare myself just to keep just to stay sharp like what you know what I mean well first of all black out my house you know and and turn everything off and uh you know walk into the basement alone you know like like uh walk slowly up the stairs out of the basement as slow as possible you know like feeling that that that energy that you think is chasing you um you know the those childhood fears you know walking I will walk into the woods in Pitch Black night alone just straight As far as I can walk into there um standing on the edge of cliff you know um uh but you know like or or scaring other people which is fun like being being the villain you know like I was in uh Europe one time and um somewhere outside of London we had found this uh this like Castle Hotel thing and it was rumored to be haunted like it was actually was on all these television shows TLC History Channel like whatever and they had documented the the ghosts that are in in this Castle or whatever and there was actually brochures in the front when I heard about it I was like we got to stay there we have to go and I I want to be in the room whatever that room is that's the most haunted I want that room they they stopped um leasing it or whatever cuz people were getting too [ __ ] up in there for I don't know whatever reason or maybe it was just a gimmick but um so that night when after everyone went to bed there was Woods outside this this uh um this Castle or whatever and so I went out to the woods as far as I could get like snuck out the hotel went deep into the woods and my whole crew was inside of this hotel and all the lights were out in the in this uh in this castle and I went deep deep into the woods and screamed as loud as I could like like I like like someone was getting killed way way deep in the woods and all you could see was these lights click click click click click click click all the light started coming on and I snuck back around uh the castle and I went to my friend's rooms and I started scratching on the Windows oh man just terrifying them and that whole time uh the the next day I was like did y'all hear that [ __ ] man [ __ ] what the [ __ ] was that and they were they were bought they bought it all somebody scratched on my window man it's [ __ ] crazy after I heard this crazy scream in the woods I finally told him at the end of the day um yeah Halloween is a lot of fun for me yeah man I love Halloween too I don't normally go dark on Halloween but what do you do I go I'll go CR if I if I can I would I'll be the most scary I can be I'm try to scare the [ __ ] out of someone on Halloween were you here for oods and a mask and like just you know like peek around corners all weird freaking people out were you here for the Halloween party not this Halloween but the one before willly Wonka it was Wily's Magic Castle but we had a haunted park in the back that so you have you know it's Nashville and so you have all these girls that think they're going to some Halloween party at a mansion it's going to be you know blah blah blah so they're dress in their you know women Halloween type stuff yeah nurse nurse outfits and [ __ ] nurse outfits and [ __ ] so they didn't know that we were gonna have like a scary ass haunted Park back in the back with like you know we hired actors the whole thing it was set up and there's a course and like and I mean we had video it was so funny I mean people freaked out it like did the job that and the party up here was you know not that but yeah they they they they got to go through through the the the Haunted Woods or whatever you call it and I mean yeah it would have scared me too but yeah it's fun though I I I still go to haunted houses I went to haunted houses last year and uh I got to be honest weak man I I maybe it's because I'm into it so much but I don't think anything scared me um so me me and uh me and Zilla Edward my manager we we've talked about this for years I think I'm pretty sure we're going to do a haunted house at some point I don't know if it's going to be in the next couple years but we're we're pretty set on it um like a a an official one like a real one like a permanent haunted house that's cool um DJ Paul was talking about getting in um [ __ ] you should we should talk about that I'm open yeah um so we we were going to do um a trailer park and um and project like project home themed haunted house mhm so you get the scariest parts of like deep southern [ __ ] you know in the trailer park and is going to guide into the into the projects you know so you get the all this the really really scary [ __ ] like you know [Laughter] cops like you know what I mean like all all themed and you know decorated correctly and and you know smells and [ __ ] you you know smells are really scary textures and all that stuff might have to sign a waiver to come to our haunted house what do you think well we got we got a building across the street where I'm not sure when we're going to start the the buildout for our lab or building a SEL manufacturing and jomic lab but it's literally across street really we got uh it's like 9,000 square fet big Warehouse we could maybe it's got a big parking lot too so maybe we could clear it out and do a 100 house there this year sick that could be kind of cool I'm in yeah I'll show it to you after this let's go Zilla used to work at haed house he was one of the he was one of the goons he hit up he hit up in the rafter well you hit up in the rafters and would like swoop his hand down and there's some like really really crazy haunted houses though across the the world like you can like um I forget what I was searching one night but like you have to sign this waiver and like they promise you you you're not going to get out without quitting it's like 24 hours or whatever you're like locked in this it's almost like torture yeah yeah yeah but I saw some of that stuff online uh a few years ago is that at mck Manor yeah I mean there's some there's some wild ones but um yeah I've seen some of that [ __ ] where you can like pay someone to bring you to near death like I like the and it's like big like there's like months you know waiting list and it's like one guy just kind of it yeah you know one guy and he's like Navy SEAL trained for torture and like he'll take you I'm good on that [ __ ] good that's what I say I'm I'm afraid of ghost that's it I ain't trying to get touched or like the snakes and spiders I'm cool on that man I don't really like snakes I actually I don't like snakes or spiders not with you on that um but yeah maybe we could do a maybe we can do love that man and you know just to you know to bring the yeah the actual the the dark Vibes I I know I know DJ Paul would be down for sure 36 mafia [ __ ] what 36 mafia SL American haunted house 204 commercial we'd kill that let's do it I'm I'm down sounds like fun we'll see we could do that and a show that would be sick that would be sick yeah we'll do that you know and for us yeah we'll do that in the show that' be sick perfect let's go let's go what's uh what's the new album yeah you got a uh let me make sure I I don't misspeak here War Story War Story double album yeah tell tell me about it um well um I did a I did a rock and roll album with Shooter Jennings called uh sometimes why and that was a couple years ago uh two years ago actually last week was a 2-year anniversary and uh man it was so much fun tapped into some creative side that I had never tapped into I sang the the entire album there's there's zero rap verses and um Zero rap verses yeah no it's all it's it's rock and roll album awesome and uh recorded at Sunset sound and um uh and Prince's old room where he did Purple Rain which Shooter Jennings has a residency there now as a producer which is sick um but during the making of that album and and going through the roll out of that album and then we had these crazy shows you know we played the Museum we we opened up for Leonard skinnard we did some rock festivals and uh you know a bunch of videos and [ __ ] and it just it it charged hip-hop up in me I I missed it I like really missed rapping and I was like man I'm going to I'm pull the Love Story team back together you know which was Malay and willpower so I went out to LA and stayed at the sunset Marquee and I wrote the first album with Malay and we titled that one um Michael Wayne so it's a more person personal album and uh it just you know it was crazier than we expected it to be and I brought that album back to Nashville and I played it for willp power and I was like At first I wanted them to come together and I was like what are you going to do bro what you going to do about this one like kind of challenged him I was like you really got to come with it will you know what I mean we me and Malay just crush this [ __ ] so me and willpower went to uh Atlanta to his spot and we locked in and did trunk music forever uh which is the fourth the fourth trunk music in the series and um I just quickly realized that these two these these this group of song this group of songs with Malay and this group of songs with willpower sounded like two different albums and at first I wanted to intertwine them mhm um but it they just felt like two different albums um like speaker box love below Outcast you know so um so I decided to split it up and I called it War Story tipping my hat to love story and what what we've been through since love story and um the soldiers we've become you know the soldier I've become the general you know the leader now and so it hits on a lot of those those points um and it's it's by far my best hip-hop project for sure um the the maturity of it all and as producers with me definitely the best Willow is at his best Malay is at its best and um I'm excited I'm excited for it to come out we D put out two singles already put out uh a single off of um the Trump music side called Everything then we dropped a sec second single called make you love me uh and that's off the Michael Wayne side and uh yeah we got videos shot coming out I got it's the second one I think the third one is is uh trailer in the sky with jelly roll off the Michael Wayne project am I am I saying that right it's new me ah new me ah [ __ ] me uh so the so the one after um Make You Love Me is called New me uh so we got videos to all these as well yeah what is uh what's trailer in the sky about uh uh someday we will all get High um someday we'll all get high in that trailer in the sky uh it's just about celebrating um overcoming the odds you know with with the caveat of being who we are you know like and being from where we're from you say it was you jelly and who jelly rooll just jelly roll myself cool yeah jelly roll singing The Hook he killed it too and produced by Malay and um yeah someday in that double wide man in the sky we're all going to the same place you know it's like it's kind of like making uh making Heaven you know make sense yeah you know from our perspective from our perspective and it's also kind of like the moment of like you you can judge someone I I was judged a lot being from Alabama you know um R racial tension has always been a thing m in Alabama and when I was growing up it was Heavy very heavy you know so um uh to say to them you know at the end I won and guess what we're all going to the same Place mhm you know like you know it's kind of like a it's not a poke at religion so to speak but it's a poke at the idea that you thought I had to be a certain person to make it there or I had to look a certain way yeah um you know and and that's not true that's not true at all yeah I mean you grew up in the South too so like the the I mean so much has changed the last 25 years I mean it's just I feel like I'm living in a completely different world um and but I think about like religion I was raised Church of Christ so it's was very very strict like you've got to have you know you couldn't dance you know you couldn't have instruments in church and you know it's like this way of kind of this way of being and a lot of great people by the way at that church uh in the and in in Church of Christ but you know when you're able to kind of step outside of it uh that it just has to be a certain way with a lot of things in life uh more opportunity opens up and you can enjoy it a little bit more yeah yeah absolutely I well you know I'm from the Bible Belt you know how it is M you know how it is in in Alabama I mean there's more churches than Starbucks yeah you know like they're on every corner and and a lot of options as well yeah that's a bit confusing you know from from a from a kid that was raised in a house with a Ouija board yeah and um and I I I Had My Moments in church you know I spent some time in church I also spent time you know explore exploring like I've been to MOS with you know Muslims I've been you know hung out with Ros R Rastafarian you know like I got Rastafarian friends I have friends that are you know atheists you know I got you know I just kind of loosened myself from that um I don't think anybody's got you know a lock and key on that sure you know so yeah for me man I was I was raised super uh Christian like Church of Christ and I kind of fell away from it now I'm more back into you know Christianity which has been great for me because I I pray probably I don't know five to seven times a day you know I'm constantly like hey hey God what should I do here and just kind of use that to guide me and decision making and those typee of things and uh that's great man it is it helps it helps tremendously man and so it's been it's been good something to kind of to lean on during these you know life gets stressful we all have our ways of doing it and I don't think there's good religion or you know like there's people bad for doing whatever they believe right but it's been it's been good for me to to have that uh Faith to rely on hey man anything that makes a person a better person yeah man I'm all for it I I doesn't matter to me what path that that you chose you know uh or whomever in the world chose whatever path um uh but I think it's fair to everyone to not press that on exactly another person I agree I let it happen naturally and if they if you're agreeable then it'll it'll reveal itself that you're agreeable on something you know uh it's the pitch that sucks hey come over here dude I mean the pitch is real the pitch is real baby especially on the corner of South 11th G in Alabama um but um yeah man uh all is well though you know like like you said that that's that's part of the gift of uh like we were saying you know more questions than answers yes you just open yourself up to that you know well my thing is Never Say Never if someone's religion so great it's like show me by example of how you're living that I want to go do that you know and um it's like the the hypocrisy sometimes gets frustrating you're like man you know uh and like having more of a kind of an inclusive um non-judgmental it's the Judgment that I think really turns people off because we're all me we're all trying to find our way in the best way possible like this is a crazy world we're living in some days it makes sense some days it doesn't make sense some days we feel like we have it down some days we feel like we don't know anything and um you know those that that push an ideology that um in a way judges the way that maybe I'm living or you're living or somebody else is living that's when I think it it turns people away and if we're trying to get people from a Christian standpoint to Christianity you know you should do it by example not by judgment mhm and um yeah so um that was Church of Christ for me Me growing up it was rough like I was I was judged constantly for what I was doing you know my parents are great but you know going through that as a kid was was interesting yeah I can only imagine going to church and having a Ouija board like what they were saying to you d man yeah my uh all the way all the way up to my great grandparents were not church people um but loved by the community and did believe in God you know kept Bibles in the house you know there wasn't we weren't alienated from uh Jesus and talks and prayer and that that was a Jesus has always been um a go-to for me since I was a little boy that that was my protection you know it was like the the the prayer um the prayer is how I slept at night you know and um but that person that that relationship is my own you know and that and I developed it on my own so hence probably the nature of how I moved today is because that that came from my own needs you know uh but yeah man I you know being prayerful is is important I think so yeah well it's like um you know the we're talking about manifesting and seeing things they you can read a lot of different religions and you know that type of thing it is in there you know the idea of seeing what you hope for and being certain of what you see and you know going after you know you have this image in 2000 of you being kind of where you're like next to Eminem and then all of a sudden here I am with Eminem or here you are with Eminem I mean that's a that's a um a spiritual thing I mean best friend is the song we did together says everything about you know my my path and where you know where where that's taken me and how I got there and and uh what my maybe what my spiritual purpose is as far as what translates through my music I think best friend is uh I couldn't have said it better than that you know have to go listen to it it's good yeah uh what's the what's the future for slamer man the future for slamic is uh expanding on our clothing and apparel brand um hosting more slumfest festivals that we've we're up on the sixth Festival that we're planning on right now um um signing new Talent new artists yeah who do you who are you uh working with uh right now um the artist that's coming the first album we're dropping on uh SL American out outside of um War Story which is my own is an artist named Tony Martinez and um we I did a all analog like country music album on Tony and it's phenomenal uh so we got Tony Martinez Cowboy killer which is a hip-hop artist um we've got uh uh J Michael Phillips um uh what's Steph's last name James oh yeah we got a um we also have a new artist um Stephen James started working with um my boy Malay and willp power are both moving to Nashville Tennessee where where are they from uh m was in Los Angeles will power lived in Atlanta he's already here Malay is literally at my house like shopping for a home nice so he and his wife Irish are coming out here so um uh Michael Brett and Kelly over at East Iris um Studios uh we had a dinner the other night with Malay and will we're going to expand on that studio that we're in actually that whole neighborhood is going to get a huge renovation so we were going to be uh uh resident producers over there and [ __ ] making more more videos maybe another movie uh I don't know we got well we got mud mud mouth movie that'll be dropping probably I want to say this year5 2025 what's mud mouth mud mouth is a movie based on an album that I made um and uh it's about it's about a LSD trip ah yeah nice it's about a spiritual death is what the movies about so it's kind of a musical U it's more of like an art piece mhm you know there's more music and and and art um than there is dialogue uh it's also half animated like handdrawn animation that's cool that intertwines with you know the live footage but yeah I meet this crazy chemist in the woods happens to be my boy and he's all bugged out developing this new LSD and he sets me down and doses me and then life changed the movie starts that's how that that's how it opens yeah so yeah and we shot all that down in Mexico and it's beautifully oh that's the one that you shot in Mexico yeah oh nice nice nice yeah mud mouth you play a lot of uh golf and skate right huh and you skateboard too nah I don't skate as much anymore uh didn't you used to be really good though yeah I was yeah I was really good at skateboarding at one point I heard a story and I don't remember the details but they were like yeah yellow wolf just went and did some type of crazy move and just landed it like it was nothing and then you know like you know you you didn't tell anybody that you could skate uh yeah well I mean skateboarding is like it's kind of like a I've always been pretty I keep it humble about the skateboarding you know what I mean just cuz I love skateboarding so much and it was such a huge part of my life in childhood and uh so I don't you know I don't really talk about my music or whatever I just if I skate I skate that's pretty much it but I you know all that [ __ ] I was doing when I was a kid it's a rap on that [ __ ] I just like might bomb some hills and might get a treay flip out of me I don't know but um yeah you have to like it's an exercise you got to get into it and be doing it to be okay at it do you ever my friends kill it you ever do the the one whee you ever try that the what the onewheel skateboard it's like electric uh it's got one wheel yeah I've seen that that's yeah well the ones that you stand on like a skateboard cuz there's also one that you send that's between your feet like there's one between your feet the the wheels between your feet and the you're you're sitting on the board oh yeah yeah the the big wheel like you lean to go forward this way yeah yeah yeah I like cruising on those those are fun yeah those things are kind of like skateboarding I guess will [ __ ] you up too they will worked dude so Scotty I think you Pro I think you met him uh my business partner he was like big skateboarder he was a pro uh snowboarder 2 fighter you know we kite surf together but you know he got his uh back fixed with stem cells he was our first he was our first patient patient zero for the stem cells inside the disc with Scotty wow completely healed his uh his herniation he had back surgery 15 years ago damn amazing and um so he's you know he loves skating and you know he's he's 53 now too and all these injuries and stuff and so he gets this one whe and I know Scotty like that's like my brother been best friends since like 15 and he gets really cocky and he's on this one wheel he's got his he's got a little beer belly at the time he's like going on his one wheel I'm behind him in ELC bike and I'm like Scotty you're getting too cocky bro like you're going to hurt yourself and there's a curve coming and he just he just goes over the curve flips completely blew his knee toward his oh my ACL PCL whole thing and he's on the he's on the street and you're like ah and there's people running up and I'm like standing back cuz I wanted to see how he didn't hit his head I just wanted to kind of assess the situation like I was like I said it's your knee right he's like yeah I okay I said you didn't hit your head you're okay buddy just relax for a little bit but um you got work one wheel will mess you up yeah if you get get cocky with it for sure you know yeah you get cocky with anything man you get worked do you have do you snowboard no a kite surf we kite Scotty kite surf how dude that's that's gnarly it is it's awesome do you do the jumps and stuff uh not that good I mean you know try a little little bit but I don't like to consider like Scotty can um it he he learned faster than me because of his snowboarding and skateboarding um for me it took me a minute to get used to the board but um yeah I mean it's the amount of power in that kite like you dive the kite and then you turn it up and that's what pulls you out of the water where do you kite Sur well we were we're in Puerto Rico for in 2019 and then last year Scotty and I would basically fly somewhere every other week uh actually just like two spefic spefic places but every other week to go kite surfing Dam we got really into it and then um that was 20202 2023 we didn't kite surf as much but Scotty just got his pilot's license and so now he can fly you got got a little uh SR22 plane so now the plan is to fly to these different places on the work weekends you know and um sick hit it hard man if you ever want to go kite surfing uh let us know man we'll we'll get you we'll get you right on it I'm traumatized with surfing man I went out to South America and tried to surf for the first time oh man what happened homie and I you know I can still comfortably push around on a skateboard and and like you know it's in me you know so I was like man I got this um n don't got it first of all the break that they were surfing was like five breaks out yeah so I had to get through all them first breaks you know and like not in not in like not in Surf shape you know what I mean I haven't I haven't swam that much in a long time it's called paddling should be called paddling not surfing yeah dude so I'm getting worked by the brakes getting tossed you know my and I'm out there with no shirt so like the the board has has ripped me raw [ __ ] man and the one time that I that I did paddle in as soon as I stood up on that thing man ate [ __ ] man like [ __ ] I was like man [ __ ] this you know and I paddle back to Shore and I was done with it I was done with it you know but my friends who do it and are good are in love with it they're like n you got to give a second chance just come out with us man you'll love it you'll love it well you got to learn at the right spot too there's like learning yeah you can't do that you get you get what you got so um I've been beat up surfing as well and um I back and get up but I wouldn't call myself an all surfer but I call it paddling because all I do is paddle yeah you know so like you're constantly trying to get through the damn wav and the ocean's scary man oh my God it's like it can take you like that I got caught in a rip current in Costa Rica this year and on my birthday Scotty Scotty's a wild he's wild we we like going to swim in the waves and that's you been doing that for years but I didn't assess that I was I'm a little out of out of shape so get tired a little easier and there was a break pretty far out Scotty's got his fins he's like you want a fin I'm like no I'm good man so we're out there get past the waves he goes on one little area the water was above my head and trying to get back in and I've got this little this current I'm like I can't get back in and I'm oh I start panicking a little bit and I'm getting hit by waves can't touch the bottom getting tired and I'm like and I yell yell for Scotty I'm like Scotty what you know I couldn't nowhere to be found to help and I start panicking I'm like get my get my breath get my breath and I'm thinking all these thoughts went through my brains uh my girlfriend Scotty going to find me dead you know like I can't get back and I'm like don't give up that's the thing just like don't give up and so I thought about giving up for a second that's how tired I was like I can't give up and so I just swim finally can touch my feet on the ground and I was like this with the water over my and then then it was higher again but I'm like okay I know I'm almost there and then fought back again this time I was like this high and then this ey and then work and finally man when I was waste in the tide the current was pulling me back and I was like I'm not stopping I wasn't even going to stop to rest I was so scared even though I was exhausted wow made it to Shore and my girlfriend's like hey what's wrong I'm like you don't realize I just almost died Jesus yeah that [ __ ] is scary um I yeah I'm terrified of that I um I I'm yeah I have I definitely have a phobia of uh like deep water deep water which is crazy cuz I did the factory trolling in the Bearing Sea you mean [ __ ] middle of winter um but yeah I went to I was out at Ka in Kawaii um with FiFi and uh we decided we wanted to take one of they they do these trips where they take you out and um in the morning where the waves are gnarly and uh anyway we get we get to we go around north of the island or whatever cruising is beautiful out and the water Cals to where we're at at that at that time and I had to piss so bad but I was on a boat with like a bunch of strangers like well it's like a it's like the rubber rafts you know what I mean there's like six people here and six people on this side were're like holding on MH and um I got a piss so bad that it's like starting to hurt you know and um they were just like just hang off the side of the boat and when I hung off the side of the boat and saw my feet dangling and to and then to just into complete Blackness bro I couldn't piss I could not piss I almost had to go to the hospital because it was like 45 minutes to get back to where we were going the passengers felt bad they're like no they jumped they started jumping off and pissing in the water you could do it you can do it like can't do it can't do it [ __ ] and then and then we we're traveling and then somebody suggests well why don't you just hang off the boat we won't look so I'm like hanging off the back of the boat my one of the P passenger strangers has me by the back of my belt buckle you know I'm [ __ ] sitting there Fifi's rubbing my back come on you can do it I because I can't do it I got so shook from the ocean and being out there God dude when I got back to shore I like limped to the bathroom finally pissed didn't have I thought my bladder was going to explode this [ __ ] actually hurt bad and it could have happened actually you can like you can get you can injure yourself by not pissing really exposure bladder um anyway uh yeah so I have a probably a healthy fear of deep water I'm cool yeah I me maybe some past life [ __ ] I don't know yeah the ocean is a some scary [ __ ] man it's easy to easy to drown out there so it don't care um well man we've been going at it for a couple hours really um enjoyed hanging out and kind of getting to know personally your story more um you you done you come out of Nashville and represented really really well and I can't think of uh you know a rside anybody who's more talented man it's like like brother not knocking anybody else but your talent is undeniable man and the creativity and as an artist it's um you know I'm a creative too so you know we see other creatives and you know you stand out in that aspect in in a city full of very creative people people thank you um yeah thank you man anything you want to uh say before you you go no man just thanks for having me and um yeah anytime you want to kick it man hit me up all right let's do it appreciate you brother well thank you thank you brother