the traders that fully understand themselves the most are the most successful if my uncle didn't do this there is no way I would have found my way to this industry what type of returns has he got over the years I've seen him turn a $5,000 account into a million dollar what do you think about AI in trading I think the human aspect of it still has that Edge versus the the AI version pandemic that's where a lot of people got into trading actually it was so easy to trade during the pandemic that when market conditions changed everyone was like losing everything they've made they're like what happened I never blew an account so that's one thing where the whole industry is like they don't believe it they're like no way did she ever not lose all her money the most successful Traders are the most aware Victoria Duke welcome to the podcast thanks for having me yeah thanks for coming so you're a futur Trader who just moved to Nashville you have a very successful coaching program with over a thousand students um you've been doing it for 9 years learn from your uncle what's the difference between Forex and and Future so Forex is currencies um it's a lot harder to find a Forex broker to trade on that's regulated in the US so it's got a little bit of a negative connotation to it um Futures Trading feels a lot more you know professional we Futures Traders we've got regulated Brokers here in the US we're trading things like gold and silver yeah so you know with with trading you're you're not looking for like the long-term investment you're like uh trading fast I would guess you would say yeah the the beginning of my trading career career started in the 5 minute time frame so I was in and out many trades within the day but now I've kind of migrated to this um swing trading so I'm holding for like a week um it's it's not the bigger picture like the long-term investment but it's a little bit longer and you started with your your uncle kind of uh tell us how how that got started um I would say if my uncle didn't do this there is no way I would have found my way to to this industry um he is a day trader and taught me uh I I always knew what he did but it was like I saw his lifestyle he was always home um if we ever went on like family trips my uncle was taking us too like even the nieces and um you know first cousin second cousins like he was just he was taking the family so I knew he he did something that was a little bit different than what most people do in my family and um one of which was was day trading so he also owned like an alarm business he did some um online e-commerce businesses uh he's a heavy entrepreneur and a lot of real estate so I just knew something he did was different and when I finally had the opportunity to learn just one portion of it which is interesting I'm I I I just happened to get lucky that he taught me the the trading aspect he could have taught me about real estate he could have taught me about the e-commerce business um but it was just the Stars aligned and he was like you know what I I want to be able to teach other people how to trade so let me teach you we'll record it and that was my opportunity to learn how to trade nice how did he get his started in in trading he was self-taught um when I hear his story it was a a tough one um anybody doing anything selftaught I feel like you just go through all of the trials and tribulations you know what I'm saying everything is just trial and error you got to figure out what works what doesn't there is a plethora of information out there um when he got into trading it's a little bit outside of my realm like I think he had to make phone calls and you know get like letters in making sure that he was in a position um and then he's been doing it for so long that now he's migrated to where he just does it from his phone now wow but he he told me lots of Stories on a lot of losses he's taken um his his struggles to find in a strategy that works for him and he he said that he's tried it all you know um indicators uh fundamentals like learn about how if like earnings reports are coming in how can he tie that into a good trade or um different indicators strategies books psychology he he he said he went full circle and then brought it all back to a very Elementary strategy which is just trend lines did did he have a uh like a mentor teaching him no he was solo books I think it was just a lot of books and a lot of trial and error and um just research on his own yeah I guess it kind of shows that you know no matter what you're doing you know if you put the time into it and really want the knowledge you'll go out and and figure it out I think you know today I know you're teaching uh you know there's a lot more opportunities for people to actually learn to you know get wealthy or yeah uh make a living you know doing things like that yeah yeah um so uh you know with your uncle when you started with him what was the the process did he have a system did he what was that like yeah it felt I'm sure he had a system but I was just along for the ride it was um oh it was it was so much fun it was the coolest thing getting to learn from him so I also got to learn with my sister so both of us would we would sit down we would try to have like structured days where we would sit down just like this and he would kind of go through some spreadsheets that he had and we would he'd be like okay read this line here and we would talk it it all started with psychology though so I think that was his premise we didn't even look at charts until like 2 to 3 weeks in like we're just talking about mindset Psych ology understanding what it's like to be a loser and how that goes against everything in like human nature where you just want to avoid that at all cost and um so he was he was heavy on psychology the very the very beginning um a lot of analogies a lot hundred different analogies talking about associating trading with like cooking and um medieval times and like so just so many different analogies where he he tried every every angle to make sure that that we fully understood the mindset that we have to be in before we even started looking at charts what did uh what did he do for the psychology training he have you uh like read books or what was what was it like no uhuh so at the at the very beginning I'm talking very very beginning first few things trading related wise he was like okay everything that I'm going to tell you is all you need to know so he actually advised against doing our own research okay because I think he maybe thought it was like polluted like the the information out there is he understood that most of what people are doing isn't working because of the you know the statistics for people that actually make it in trading so he's like I want you to think completely different than everyone else um so the first thing he said was everything I'm going to teach you you know while we're learning this is all you need to know you don't need to go out and do any other research so he didn't even recommend any books um it was purely just taking every bit of information that he had to give wow and so after two or three weeks he started teaching you how to trade what was the first thing that he taught you um the loc and it was the line of change and that was essentially the trend line and um it was looking at the charts and he had them as naked as possible we were just looking at what the price had done on like a blank canvas there was no noise it was the cleanest chart I've ever seen and he had just he threw one line on there he was like this is an loc line of change and then he also said it's the lot and the LOD the line of Truth the line of death like all of these things so heavy it was very cool I love going back and being old to like reminisce on this um but it was it was just a trend line that was the very first thing he taught me and so you know when he showed you the the first line of uh uh line of was it what line of change sorry I was thinking lot l o l um when he showed you the first line of change uh did it click with you or was it something that was like you know what's kind of going through your your mind as you're you're starting to learn this um it he made it tangible he made it understandable um he would before the line of change you know I take that back before the line of change he showed me just the plain chart just a plain chart and he asked me what direction does this look like it's going in so we would just look at a screen and I'd be like okay looks like it's going up he'd be like overall which way and I said up okay and then he'd showed me another one and be like okay overall up and he' showed me another one overall down and then you know the trickier ones when it was kind of not really having a direction it was sideways um so I guess figuring out the overall direction was first and foremost but then when he threw the line on there it still didn't seem intimidating he was like okay throwing a line on there this looks like geography I'll take it cool and I mean very tangible and so uh what were you doing at the time when you when you started learning this um I was cycling so I wanted to be a professional athlete uhhuh and so you you were doing cycling and were you what were you doing to to make money so I I was learning how to code websites my uncle also gave me the opportunity to work for him so as he's teaching me he's like all right now I'm I'm going to teach you how to trade but I need you to he had me take some courses online to learn how to code learn about Google ads marketing so he was essentially building like this little Empire he's like okay if if you know how to build the website and so I had I had to learn you know so many different things simultaneously so he was paying me to do that and he would even pay me to learn how to code so I would clock in the hours and I'd be watching these videos doing these workbooks and I had the opportunity to learn and be paid to learn to do that too and so you know when you started did you start with a I'm going to call it a fake account there's probably a term in it sim a Sim yeah so you had a Sim account when did you actually start doing your trading on the Sim account um I would say very shortly after like maybe the I'd say a few weeks after maybe month one of learning we opened a Sim account and we got to see what it was like to actually hit the buy button hit the sell button see as you know the the price progresses it was it was fascinating and when did you start uh you know seeing that you could make money doing it like how quickly did it uh take you to be kind of successful at it um that was a a long a long journey so um the at least Sim trading wise I could see it I could see it it was the coolest thing it's like you unlocked something in my brain it's like oh my gosh this is this can be real like I'm just hitting buttons and I can see you know profit and loss go up and down um but it's completely different when you actually start putting real money on the line things sting a little bit more you're a little bit more hesitant but Sim trading I did it for a year okay my uncle made sure um also when he taught me he was like okay everyone wants to go in and immediately start making money immediately and he asked me if I want to do that I was like of course and he's like no we're not going to do that so nice try so um I I had to simulate for a year and that is an incredible amount of discipline because everybody wants to just see the opportunity that it could actually do for you you just want to put a little bit of money in sure so it was Sim trading for the first year and it wasn't until year three to almost four that I actually was able to consistently bring in profits with live money I see and so that that first year how did you do overall um oh it was sporadic it was all over the place it none of it was tracked I remember I tried to do some I had like Ledger cards that I tried to write trades on and I wasn't consistent as far as keeping track of it all um but it was a blast yeah you had a good time what's um so year two you start trading with real money what how much money did you did you put in only 5,000 5,000 okay well I say only um a lot of people I'm I'm coming to find since I've got more of a following and I can I can actually kind of see as a whole the community and how everyone gets into trading and my story is a lot different than how everyone else gets into trading most people want to get in with around like 500 bucks okay and it's fair but since that's just so far from the way that I made it it seems so much harder yeah to grow a $500 account whereas 5,000 that was just enough of a buffer and it was also at the time the minimum to start a Futures account okay and so uh you started training uh trading Futures how did you do that second year um the second year was no progress whatsoever um I never blew an account so that's one thing where the whole industry is like they don't believe it like no way did she ever not lose all her money and it makes total sense when my uncle was my mentor like first things first after you know learning the LLC and learning you know what direction is this going in um psychology wise the first thing we learned was to protect our Capital keep our Capital that was before we even started looking at charts he was like that is the name of the game here and in order to protect your Capital it actually involves paying little fees it's like paying your way out of trouble so he I already understood that concept completely and fully I never was going to put it all on the line for one trade so my risk management psychology wise was way ahead of my time so it's hard for the community to understand that I never took an account to zero but no progress when you say paying your fees what what does that mean it's taken a loss he just he he changed it so instead of calling it a loss we just considered it a fee okay so a loss is a fee and you you you you pay your fees every now and then but I guess the ideas that you don't want to pay tooo high a fee so you don't risk blowing your account exactly yes yeah and so um you how have you built that up you know year three year four how how did you start building that it was a lot of so same exact strategy so the strategy never changed which is cool but so it's you can understand it's heavy psychology wise holding winners not letting losses affect you so a lot of struggle in that sense um and I was in a position where for most of my trading care I compared myself to my uncle and like that makes no sense God I wish I'd had somebody else to compare to someone just a little bit you know scaled down so I was so ambitious and like I wanted to get so far so quick and I think that hindered me a lot like I was holding positions just wanting to like catch a massive move and be like okay this is what my uncle's doing and I ended up most of the time just giving it back giving it back giving it back so slowly like things started to change in my psychology and I was like okay you know what I'm just going to try to collect these small winners and that snowballs and that snowballs and that continues and yes there'd be times where I'd be like okay I think I think I can hold this one or you know psychology would get in the way and I'd get a little bit greedy but for the most part it's just stacking up those small wins yeah and how how have the returns been since you started like what overall where are you at um we're doing incredible now now I am my percentages are a little bit uh uncomprehended I guess I mean maybe for most so I was able to I've been in Bitcoin for a long time oh okay okay you know then you know okay yes the the crypto world you can flip stuff like nobody's business okay yes yes um in the like the future space and the day trading space and the long-term investment space those numbers are just hard to to grasp but this year and last year so far I've been able to make last year I made I think it's something wild like 300% maybe 400% and then this year I was able to turn my 100K account into 200k in just six trades so like the I feel like the um the maturity level of a trador like I've just I'm finally seeing just such a transformation yeah so um you know with that uh you know I don't know the field so forgive my ignorance on that oh no but um you know in you're teaching so are people skeptical of you know your abilities to teach and and and what's that like yeah and that is the that's one of the hardest things in the industry and it's um it's a very scammy like it's a scammy space and I get it and it's a bummer um I wish that there wasn't such a negative connotation when you say that you're an educator in the space and um but there is and people are like if you don't you know if those who can't teach and I'm like that's not the case I'm sorry it's not I'm actually just I I have a way with connecting with students and I enjoy it um I but it there's something weird to where the community has convinced me that it's it's not a good thing to do so that's some things that I'm absolutely still struggling with I see uh you know the psychology aspect I mean it it's important obviously for trading as you're talking about but it's important in life too oh my gosh yes it reflects in life tenfold yeah one of the biggest uh things I think that that's helped me be successful is uh wrestling in you know Junior High and high school and I got a scholarship wrestle in college too didn't didn't wrestle much in college but you learn to L you're going to lose and you know it's just basically you versus the other person you can't blame anybody else you can't be a victim to you know maybe you could say the ref scre you some way but you know I mean it's like it's it's you and the other person and you have to learn to lose and not let it affect uh you know affect everything um kind of how has that played a role in in what you're doing with the you know in the psychology aspect of trading yeah that sounded like word for word to be honest word for word you cannot blame anyone else like there's the the factors are just you and the likelihood of it being a loss is high there's it's it's going to happen it's inevitable um it's just a matter of I think the the most successful Traders are the most aware Traders like self-aware like they can regulate their emotions they they understand you know as soon as something's coming up they're feeling it whether they need to sit in it to act on it um to put some coping strategies in place I think the traders that fully understand themselves the most are the most successful yeah what do you think you know for for for people going into trading uh let's say like for me I don't know anything about trading I dollar cost average every week in crypto and have for a long time dude I'm so soaked to get into crypto this year by the way oh yeah finally will be we we'll chat about that um but like the uh you know someone wants to get involved in Futures Trading where do they start I would say it is I always want to say psychology first like if they I think it truly starts with expectations the correct expectations cuz if someone is going to if they if they want to get into trading and they want results next month they're they're not going to make it so the the trader that can come in with the correct expectations knowing okay I'm probably going to have to commit like three years to this three years and there's going to be losses along the way too that Trader that understands that first and foremost they're probably going to make it but I would say as far as um maybe the trader that already understands that concept it's a matter of mastering psychology first mastering yourself first and then getting into a strategy um there's so many different strategies so that's the hardest part to say where do you start I would say it could just simply start with understanding the Futures Market as a whole and understanding how to read a chart I would say download trading view it's the app and just learn how to navigate it look at a chart see and then look at it every day see how price populates I think that's a great start but since there are so many different strategies out there it's hard to just be like here do this you know a b c d and then you'll you'll make it what is what is Futures Trading so for people that don't know like what what is what does that Encompass so I I started with the stock market and that was the easiest concept of Gras you you know you buy a share of a company and then when you're ready you sell that share so it's it's an easy concept of grass you know you're buying one share you're selling one share um when you get in your one share costs the amount of what it's trading at um Futures Trading is a little bit different so it's contract based but you're essentially like let's say cor for example you're you're kind of betting on how corn is going to be doing the crops are going to be doing in the future so but my strategy is it doesn't involve any fundamental research so it's purely just price action so I'm looking at the charts but for the most part that's what the Futures Market is and there's going to be expiration dates so you're trading a certain contract and actually most of the um futur tra trading contracts just expired just a few days ago so everyone's having to switch over to the new contracts um but it's not something similar to options which have you heard of options before options trading that is like a foreign language to me that one's tricky and that one also trades in contracts but it's a different kind of contracts so it's more like there's um time Decay and Theta and beta these are words that I just so happen to know but know nothing about right um but as far as Futures Trading I like to look at the contracts as similar to shares as I can so one contract has a set amount it's going to cost you either 600 bucks to buy a contract and you can either buy one to x amount however many so so I that was the easiest way to make the connection was if I can consider a contract similar to a share it's it's very similar everything after that well so um you know with Futures Trading you're not looking at you know a year two years you're you're just going off of the chart what's about to happen let's say MH uh do you look at anything you know long term are you kind of uh uh learning more in your investment strategy to start doing some of those things I can't wait to be able to get a little bit more long-term I think um the more or the higher time frames that I move up as I continue this journey it makes me feel like a more professional more you know dignified I don't know if that's the word I'm looking for but just I feel like I'm I'm leveling up as a Trader the higher time frame that I get into um but when I'm doing my my trades and I'm doing my chart analysis I actually want to I do want to look at the overall picture the big picture but it's more so to see what it did in the past so like let's say I'm trading I want to trade corn for the first time I want to look at the it's called the continuous contract so you get to see you know from the start corn has been on the market to today you get see what it's done overall so I want to see like as much data as I can so and it just starts with same thing my uncle was showing me he showed me a chart he said okay overall is this up or down so that was the first thing is it up or down so I'll throw some trend lines on there and then you start kind of zooming in more and more and more and more and more until you get to the time frame that you want to trade so I used to stop at the F minute time frame so I used to be like real zoomed in with the magnifying glass but now I just stay at the four hour time frame so now I'm just concerned about what the price of corn is doing within four hours of each candle what does your uncle look at like he's still to be honest he might be all over the place okay I think he might kind of bounce between the 1 hour and the 5 minute okay and what type of returns has he got over the years like what's what's he looking at I've I don't know his exact numbers but I can tell you I've seen him turn a $5,000 account into a million dollar and that's the coolest thing and I don't know how many times he's done that and don't know um what other accounts he has but that was one that I saw and I even remember um when he first showed me how to trade and me and my sister were uh we got to kind of like look over his shoulder at his trades and when we would see some of the account balances we were like what like what we didn't even know we were it was we we would laugh like to each other and be like are you serious that's crazy yeah and so with it is it short-term capital gains every time you turn a profit um yes for the stock market but Futures Market actually has a little bit of a benefit I believe it is it's like there's a 30 I my tax guy knows better than I do but there is some sort of a tax break when it comes to Futures Trading versus that short-term capital gain that you get with the stock market that's another thing that uh I'm sure people get in trouble with is not keeping up with their their taxes that just know the right guy I think that is my best advice I don't know much about it I'm not a tax person I don't know the best way to go about it but if you hire the right person who does know yeah finding the right person is so hard I mean I've been through I don't know how many accountants over the years and you think that a CPA knows uh how to save you money on taxes and what but they don't they're actually going for the safest bet oh my God into actually saving you money and you know as you get more wealthy your tax bill is it's my biggest expense right now oh yeah and so yeah I know like for crypto um we've had to go back and and and even change some things because it was a little ambiguous for a while too as far as what you know how is it taxed and those type of things but uh yeah I know people I mean it's I mean with any business you get in trouble with the taxes and yeah you you got to find the right guy and then you got to keep digging to find the right person to find the right offsets you can and I bet CPA probably hate like day Traders it's proba they're probably like this is the the sketchiest thing you could possibly gam like I feel like that is so anti what CPAs are taught to be honest yeah they don't they don't like anything I remember I had a a tax uh accountant here for a while and he's like and it was almost like he wasn't looking for any type of savings but he has he's like a country guys wow that's a lot of tax I'll never forget him saying that's a lot I'm like yeah that's a lot of tax you know I want you to shrink it somehow but um yeah so you're talking about getting into crypto what's uh what's the plans with that I've always been so intimidated um I when my uncle taught me how to trade and we're like a few years in and I'm finally like kind of getting a handle on like the the trading world and I'm looking into Forex what is Forex I'm like Uncle Mike why don't you trade Forex look at all these dudes making so much money in Forex he's like I'm not concerned I'm like what about crypto look at all this stuff and he's like I'm not concerned I'm like frustrating cuz I wanted to get into it cuz it's all the hype it's fad right now um but I never did and years later I I would always be fascinated about it I'd look at it but it it looked like something that was incredibly difficult to day trade is that is it possible I mean do you have any Experience day trading crypto no I'm I'm whenever I try to pick a you know pick the right coin for uh you know to to to make a quick Buck I lose so I don't even look at it every Wednesday uh you know I make my investment automatically dollar cost average and I celebrate when crypto goes down though because I believe because all I have really is uh %'s in Bitcoin and ethereum and the other 10% is in a couple other uh I'll call them higher risk coins but when Bitcoin goes down I'm like yeah I can buy more at a at a better you know at a cheaper price I mean most of the people that I know that are into crypto are saying the same thing that you are people aren't like they're not the panicked ones it's just the ones that are maybe like that don't have as much experience or maybe put too much than they were willing to bargain in into it but I that's the same thing I'm hearing well yeah I I was I was arguing with chat GPT a couple weeks ago and um I'm like you know basically I think you people look at crypto uh as like a volatile Market oh it's volatile I'm right it's the most consistent if you look over a 10-year period you can pretty much tell what it's going to do over a time frame not necessarily on the day that's why I don't try to uh you know make buys when you know when at certain times I'm like just consistent I know that if I do that especially with what I believe you like Bitcoin can be that um it's going to go up uh long term but yeah know I don't do the I don't do day trading by any I try i' you know I've lost a lot of money when I thought I could go and make money doing this quick yes oh my gosh she not that smart yeah and it's never that easy no I'm sure well you know you look at you you have uh an education with it uh did you go to college um I attempted I went to fsj but never finished yeah I didn't either um but uh you know so I can imagine like you know three years of of training you know that's like a college education truly and so you what do you think like a lot of people right now if you look at how expensive college is with student loans and all of these things I feel like for a lot of people College seems to be a waste I feel like I agree with you on that one um I mean it's a bummer thing to say because it's so like anti what everyone does like it's just it's so it's been ingrained into everyone's brain like you just go and maybe for for some maybe for some kids it's better because if they weren't who knows what they'd be doing um so maybe continuing that structure is good for some people right but as as an entrepreneur like I mean I'm sure I had my fear of college tuition that got paid and things that didn't work out or losses in the market but I think the the benefits that I've reaped so far from not taking the college route cuz first of all when you go to college I don't think anyone knows what they actually want to do so then they do you know how many years I wanted to I changed up only in the one semester that I was in I changed up three times I was like okay you know what no I want to do um Physical Therapy no I want to do special education oh my gosh whereas as an entrepreneur you can actually try each one of those things and then one of them's going to pop off or maybe you learn how to do three of those things wrong then do this one better and now you can go back so it's just there's so much more opportunity being an entrepreneur than taking the college route no absolutely you know if you're like the stem fields or something like that it makes sense engineer doctor lawyer all that makes sense but some of the the degrees you know are just you know outrageous and Entrepreneurship I mean it's definitely the way to go if you actually want to if you actually want to make some money there's risk to it but like even like plumbers uh I mean if you want to be a Plummer you can go get the training you're getting paid while you're getting the training as you're an apprentice and you work your way up and then you know if you want to learn business uh on the side and do your own studying exactly it's pretty easy to go out and and make a a tremendous living there's a lot of you know Fields like that in construction where I mean Nashville the construction Market is like I mean there's buildings popping up everywhere they can't we can't find enough people around here I'm getting excited about that yeah are you I mean a little bit discouraged too because I was hoping that I'd be able to get into you know the the housing market before things took off but I haven't sure well I mean there is there's still a lot of opportunity I mean before interest rates drop um you know it's they're still pretty high and I think we're going to see it just go crazy when when they drop the interest rates did you buy your house here in Nashville no um I'm just renting right now just renting but this year was the year that I was like okay we are we're going to finally do it Y and just like trading um the real estate industry is like there is a plethora of information I'm like okay do I take the route where do I just buy my own home or do I take the investment property route or do I want to Airbnb or do I want to get like a multif family home and there are so many different things that I could do and I'm not sure what's your goal with it though um I think from the research I've done on like these successful entrepreneurial guys it's like they're like infinite baking and I actually rent the place that I stay in and I own all of these homes so I'm like okay maybe I don't need to own a home maybe I just need to rent but that seems it's just all over the place yeah I got in in real estate I bought my my first house when I was 21 really yeah it was a uh back back then uh was a long time ago no back then um they had had uh zero interest loans you know and it was like interest only loan I should say zero interest interest only loans you weren't paying any principal so we say you get you know 4% interest only and so yeah I bought uh a house in uh Antioch it was like 190,000 put no money down you know they don't do this and that was a sub Prime Market it it changed a lot but um uh yeah I mean I I started just investing yeah in real estate I had a real estate coaching program back in the day here in Nashville nice way cool you can buy no money down too A lot of people don't realize that like East Ivy where we're at right now 2012 um I was living I sold a couple companies I was living in Costa Rica uh for about six months but I had a uh a condo here as well okay and I was just kind of waiting to see if something popped up and my friend sent a picture from from here he was managing this property and he's like hey I'm going to lease out I'm leasing out the guest house the property and the rest of the property I mean there were the pool was great green the ponds were disgusting I mean it was it was bad and so I came over here and I was like oh this is awesome though obviously the bones of it were great and uh I said well you know if you wanted to you know make this thing work you'd have to get a special exception or a zoning change to be able to do events um and so uh I leased the property at first for the first six months and then um I started working on getting the zoning change uh which we got a special exception to the city to do 120 events a year nice uh so we did that but uh I did a lease purchase with the owner or lease option so uh he wanted a high price the time uh for the property and I said well I'll give you your price but you got to give me the terms that I want and uh so I'll do a five-year lease with the option to purchase at any time over those five years and so I could see kind of what the market was going to do because back then you know the 2008 real estate crash was was serious this is 2012 but it hadn't kind of settled yet we didn't know it was going to happen in the economy okay and so uh he he did the deal and then I had the events basically pay for everything because I was mostly in Mexico okay uh and um I exercised my option in 2017 at the price and it had already appreciate of course wow so it was it was a good deal but oh real estate um you there's a lot of opportunity um and you know you know my dad basically made his money um doing flips and those type of things he had an accident uh kind of lost everything when I was four and took him about 15 years to battle back really but that's what did it he you know got one property rented it um then got another flipped it you know and so I I love real estate for a kind of a safe investment yeah you if you're doing trading you're going to make your your your money doing that but you know you might then be able to hit a couple licks exactly exactly real estate and then the safe route is definitely very appealing to me yeah no that's good so um you know what is your idea here in Nashville you moved here from Los Angeles uh what's what's the goal um the the goal was real estate first and foremost um my trading had already been doing really well even in in La um but the goal was real estate and it was like this best case scenario was going to find like a a duplex and I was going to live in one side and then rent out the other I was like okay this seems like a a good idea um and I'm starting to to look into these different you know then I looked at a quad I'm like o that's even more appealing and then I'm trying to do the math as far as like okay the average rent in this area though is not quite adding up to what the mortgage would be so it's just a matter of I guess just finding the right one um I I'm also trying to figure out am I ready to find my own place yet do I want to buy my own home that I'm going to live in or is my start investment like just to rent out or to Airbnb and that one sounds a little bit more appealing cuz the making decision of the house that I actually want to live in sounds like a lot of pressure yeah yeah I mean I mean getting a I mean a quad or a duplex um it's it's always nice having somebody else pay your mortgage yeah and then make a little beste scenario cash on the side right um so with the with the trading what what are the the goals with the trading like what do you see yourself in five or or 10 years I would say my uncle was a good representation and he my vision if we took my uncle out of the picture would be to just mature into this long-term Trader and I'm just holding positions for like months or you know a year but the fact that my uncle's still day trading is it kind of changes the perspective then it's like maybe that's not the goal maybe it's always to have the opportunity to be able to just get in and make some money and I remember um when I did decide to make this transition to swing trading which was last year 2023 I talked to my uncle about it and he he wasn't super like he wasn't fully supportive on it he was like you know if you're holding the trade for a week do you know how many trades I could capitalize within that week because there's movement whereas there's a possibility you get in at this price and a week later and it's right back to where it started sure and I and I understood that I'm like you know what yeah that's true but the swing trading just it works for me and it was it just it fit it made sense and I was seeing tremendous you know gains from it yeah but um but he's changed my perspective that that was originally the goal to just be this long-term investor but to see my uncle still kill it and just still day trading so that that might not be the goal it might not be to just be this long-term Trader I might just continue to do what I'm doing what are some of your financial goals with it um I would say to definitely do the same thing he did get a 5k account to a million wild yeah that's I feel like how he managed to do that along with the hundred other things that he does I can only do one thing at a time like my trading even so I've tried to incorporate day trading back into my routine so 2023 it took me a whole year to figure out swing trading MH the the higher time frames the holding trades was excruciating you would think it would be like um more peaceful like less less stress but having an open trade that just well you would know I mean you're doing this with crypto like you're doing long-term but it's just the the anxiety of having that open trade for days like I go to sleep and I wake up there's it's still open it's still the possibility of it being a winner a loser and it's every single day and then by the week once it's over and you close you're like oh my God okay the trade is done we've closed it whereas the day trading it's just you're done for the day you don't even even if you took a loss for the day like it's done it's closed it's solidified it's realized now you can go about your day so um it seems like it would be the more peaceful calm swing trading but I've I've struggled with it and maybe I will be but the we'll see I'm I'm still trying to to take that day trading back into to swing trading and it's it's been fascinating but going back to the point Sorry going off track here but um how to do one thing at a time is like I'm still trying to do the swing trading brain and the day trading brain and those just don't work together do the two it's so difficult no it's it's very hard I can either I either have to take a break from swing trading for the month and just day trade or vice versa it's it's very hard to have two brains for that and um and then just to understand that my uncle was somehow able to turn 5K into a million while also having e-commerce businesses and an alarm business and real estate and property management and all of these different things things I'm like how do you maybe that's the goal that's the goal is to be able to to have these different brains and have them all operate at the same time what what do you tell your students are you teaching them swing trading or um day trading so what's cool is it's the the same strategy applied across the board so what I do for my swing trading is the same thing my uncle taught me for the five minute so it's just a matter of I I tell them you got to figure out what resonates with you like are you a Trader who can who can hold trades for you know a week do you have that like that grit or that uh I guess just that mental Capital to where you can you're not exhausted by the time it's over or are you a Trader that's like okay I got to be done for the day at the end of the day like I have to wipe my hands and be done with my trading so it's just when I teach I'm just it's it's kind of like U integrating trading into your life do you have a 9 to-5 do you work from home can you commit um long can you commit more time to trading do you have to just trade after work so it's there's so many variables to figuring out what time frame or what type of Trader you want to be how many students do you have right now um right now I have a Discord community of about a thousand wow wow so and so if someone wants to be a part of your community like what is what is that inel um so my my very first start is the Discord community so it's it's kind of you getting into the the community you get to see uh the trades that I place you get to see my charts you get to see um it's a great start because it's very it's very uh low barrier to entry it's you know it's only like $49 a month and you get to kind of see all my students what their trading is like um the the losses that we're taking are we taking them together is it um are you taking a good loss or a bad loss uh and you get to see the different styles so you get to see kind of like you get to take a step back and see okay this is what the community looks like as a whole but then I also do something called an accelerator and this is only a few times a year and it's it's live coaching so it'll be 21 days of all right we're actually going through the strategy and they'll have a designated coach so it's one of my previous students that will kind of work one-on-one with these students and be like okay what's your lifestyle like m is day trading going to work for you or can you only trade you know 2 hours after work so maybe you have to do the 5 minute time frame or are you working from home and maybe you can you know have this computer for work and then you got this one right over here where you're able to stay in for like six hours out of the day so figuring out kind of the the person and the trader as a whole but um as far as education goes Discord is a great start because you get to see a big picture all the different Traders all the different you know time frames all the different instruments some Traders are doing crypto day trading which is blowing my mind they're taking my strategy into the crypto markets how are they doing I mean some of them are doing great and some of them are like you know what I can't see it and I'm like that's fair I can't figure it out um and it's been so intimidating to me but um but you get to see like a a big scope all the different markets some some are doing the Forex Market some are doing Futures some are doing stocks um some are doing options too so it's cool to see students apply what I've taught them with just simply just Trends we're we're trying to get in on a trend and when it's no longer turning in that direction we're trying to get in on next Trend so it's just kind of like think of it like following the price we're trying to just follow what it's doing um but it's fascinating to see my students take what I've taught them and apply it to markets that I have no experience with like options I don't know how they do it but they do it or crypto I don't know how they do it but they do it it's fascinating and how how much is it uh is intuition uh there is so much more intuition that I ever that's something that I I I say kind of first and foremost when I'm when I'm teaching people and I think that's maybe why the the space the educational space is so like it's scammy it's because you can't teach intuition you can't sell it and I think if more people understood that it's a matter of if if if I had you just you were an example and you're like okay I want to get into Futures Trading I would have you just commit to one instrument like we're going to use corn for example I don't know why I keep coming to Corn but if you just watched what corn does for a year you just you kind of you saw every single day the price movement um when when it looks like it's changing directions does it normally do like a little fake out it'll kind of snap in One Direction and then continue so if you were to just watch one instrument for a year the you would be so much farther ahead than these people that are looking at hundreds of different charts and they're just trying to copy and paste a strategy on each one where you would have the edge because you just you're almost like in sync you know corn yes yes you know corn so I think that plays so much of a role and I I talk about developing relationships with the in struments and I think the the route that my uncle took in trading um luckily it was my very my only experience and my first experience but it has such this like it's a little bit goofy but it feels like he took like a hippie approach to trading like very um oh what's the word I'm looking for um holistic very holistic when it comes to traing like developing relationships handling psychology not taking losses too personally understanding that you're going to take the losses like it just felt very like hippie like and I think that's the the that I take is just I emphasize how important it is to develop relationships with the instruments that you're trading and so uh for for your trainings um you you have the Discord program uh do you have like Steps up to where people can get more access and those type of things yeah so I do Discord is the very first level then the next one is just a pre-recorded course so that's me it's like four hours and I'm kind of going through same thing my uncle did we're looking at charts what direction is just going in now we're throwing lines on the charts and now what do these lines mean for entries and exits how do mitigate our risk with these lines so it's 4 hours of just essentially your your generic overview of the lines and then the tier after that is the accelerator program which is the live coaching and then we get to apply that to like realtime Market data so now it's it's so much more tangible when I go over a chart with you on what happened this week is so different than looking at a pre-recorded course cuz that's I mean it's a year old and it's it's so much harder to see it you know applied to just a basic chart whereas we get to go through it every day you're like oh this is what price did today this is where we would have put the lines today this is what we did yesterday this is what we're thinking tomorrow so being able to do it in real time is is the kicker that's the highest and so the accelerator course uh how much training is that what does that look like um it's 21 days okay so you you just got to commit like you would to class you got to show up to the zoom class for 21 days and you're teaching that every day yep so live and I'm I sit down and we will first week is psychology I I tried to condense what my uncle taught me we spend a lot more time talking about psychology but I try to condense it as much as I can so we spend the first week psychology I'm trying to get everyone's expectations right the the understanding of taking losses and considering um fees and paying your way out of trouble and understanding that we were trying to remove resentment towards the market and um looking at the price as like I've been using analogies like uh Game of Thrones and I'll call the price you know John snow or something and it's like he's marching North and if he decides to change his mind we've got no control over that and so it's it's heavy on psychology the first week then the second week is strategy drawing the lines and then the third week which I think is the most incredible is applying that to the markets real time every day and I go through as many different instruments I go through Forex I go I even went through Bitcoin um I go through uh the Futures market and the stock market so as many different markets as I can and as many different instruments within the market and we try to see how was the strategy applied every day for that last week when you say buy your way out of it what what do you mean buy your way out of trouble so it's essentially like um let's say one of my best analogies is like if you get into an Uber um or like a taxi and he starts going the wrong way like at what point are you going to just tell him he needs to turn around or are you going to just let him continue in the wrong direction regardless that meter is still running so the sooner that you can say you know what I I need to turn around or you're going the wrong way the smaller that fee or the smaller that meter is racking up or another analogy I think I used was um when I went to Tijana and you know you got to pay your way out of trouble you could either just tip off the guy that pulled you over or you I mean the downside of that is probably going somewhere you don't want to go right have you been to TJ yeah many times what were you doing to TJ um I got a a Sentry card or was it the global it was a centry card yeah Cy and so you can pass the Border like a lot quicker and there was this water park in Tijana that there's no way yes there's no way that would be legal here in the US because so many people hit the freaking water so hard but that thing was the coolest I spent my entire Summers I lived in Diego for a while and I spent a lot of summers at that water park oh nice yeah I've seen the videos of it and oh they're I'm a little concerned of getting hurt you know I'm a little older now so you know those those Falls uh don't seem too good is it is it awesome oh it's it's a blast it's a thrill I've only done it like maybe three or four times and it doesn't get easier it's actually just as scary when you make it to the top it doesn't change every time what's it like flying um it happens so quick and uh the when you're in the air all you're thinking of is don't belly flop don't belly flop make sure you're like penciled in um so that's that's all you can think of when you're in the air wow yeah that thing I've seen the videos and I I actually forgot about it oh yeah D is the coolest I don't I'm sure it's still it's still around yeah no I think it is actually I was looking probably a year or so ago I was watching like gosh I got to go do that sometime oh dude it was a blast that water park is so fun yeah a little intimidated but looks fun what part of uh San Diego did you live in um I was in PB it was the Party Town yeah but I was anti I was the opposite I didn't go out but I was in the party town I see yeah I lived in uh do you know Coronado k um I know where cornado is cornado Island are we thinking yeah it's part of that part of that so yeah it's got It's a little it's a neighborhood that has a bunch of uh you have like a boat in your back say the backyard but the little U little area so you can take it out and stuff like that okay okay uh we were there for about a year and a half and I loved it okay then I can imagine as far as like fishing goes in San Diego were you heavy into fishing did you do any free div surfing no it was just we were you know cuz our hospital is in TJ so we were it's very close to the Border gotcha got and so uh it's got when when Co happened uh there was talks of closing the border and there was a lot of you know we didn't know it was going to happen so um we decided to go to San Diego instead of I I've got a condo in TJ okay um so cool and so we're there for a year and a half but then things settled and I didn't like having a cross every day cuz you know the weight can be awful God it could be like what four hours sometimes more than that oh yeah I've sat in a few of those yeah so um um yeah I was like okay I'll just stay here in in in TJ but uh no I love the area so you most people have never been to TJ what what else have you done there I was going to ask you like there is such a when I told my family I was going to TJ they think the whole cartel I they thought I was dead I was going to be dead as soon as I crossed the border I'm like you guys obviously you've never been right like I've gone to Caesar's Palace out there I've gone I I'll go sometimes to TJ just to get tacos like I think they don't understand it's not as not as crazy it's not have have you ever been to Porta noo where the lobster is no I don't think so oh my gosh yeah so it's about 45 minutes south of of the border so it's little it's not TJ it's technically uh uh it's p noo but um yeah they have a lobster Village there's probably like I don't know 30 40 Lobster restaurants you what maybe I have maybe I have I think I have actually I I did a trip to um I've gone to down to Rosarito I've gone down to um did I say that right or is it Rosarita Ros okay um I've gone down to San Cen pretty far I mean I've done a lot of road trips down Baja California but I think I have stopped at some I feel like it was it was a big deal we all went and we had to have like different types of lobster and it was all over the table I feel like I remember there's a lot of drinking involved too but I think I might have been there that place is is awesome I try to I try to go every month you know I'm like I got to have a port noo night every month but um you know a lot of people are are afraid of it and TJ it's just like any City it's got good parts and bad parts and uh you we've been there for uh almost nine years August 15th it'll be nine years so wow so neat okay yeah it's not as not as bad as they as they like to say oh my gosh no not at all so what what made you pick Nashville um I didn't get to pick Nashville actually so my family picked Nashville oh and this has been something I've been struggling with because I've been kind of hopping all over the place I tried San Diego for a while tried La for a while um Jacksonville um I even tried Miami for a while and I'm like what do I want to do but it it always comes back to family like I want to see my nieces I want to see my sisters and my mom and they're out here now they picked Nashville so she my mom moved out here I don't know exactly I think it was almost 13 years ago maybe a little bit more than that yeah um and my sisters grew up here so I grew up in Jacksonville or at least I feel like my my upbringing was in Jacksonville but um they got to grow up here so I didn't I didn't get to pick it but if I want to pick family it's Nashville there you go so your your sister that started with you is she still trading oh absolutely not no no uh-uh and I was just talking about this the other day it's funny we we took totally different routes and there was even a time where I could have taken a different route too I I didn't take it even after that year of my uncle teaching me I still wanted to make it as a professional athlete and I still took cycling more seriously and trading didn't seem as much of a a priority and um my sister wanted to make it as a singer and um she she ended up pursuing that wholeheartedly and um yeah trading fell off like after that year she she tried she tried to continue the Sim trading um but I think when it came to having to actually set up a live account account and put money in there she was like H I can't do this yeah what what does your sister do now um she's a singer she's living in Hawaii she um she made it on the voice and she is actually trying this new genre and I'm totally into it it's um a combination of Reggae and Country so I'm like oh all day called um I think she's called it Craig that's funny yeah she she actually trademarked this term chiha and it's the funniest thing um there's this saying in Hawaii I think it's uh what is it chi chi who and Yeehaw she's combining the ter she's living it up in Hawaii she's loving it what part of Hawaii is she living in um she was on the big island for a while in aahu and now she just moved back to the Big Island oh nice y we've got some friends out there my God that are that are Surfers that have come down for selves and those type of things oh I see I see okay okay uh yeah I've got got a good group actually my business partner had a store in Hawaii as well uh we were both from like the fight world uh and so Scotty owned something called otm fight shops and um he had I don't know I don't know how many shops probably 12 15 shops uh around the world and Hawaii was one of the the places so now when we say fight is it like UFC is it boxing yeah mixed martial arts oh okay okay yeah so my gym was called Nashville MMA I started when I was 20 and it was at one point the largest mixed martial art sh in the country really that's fascinating okay it was cool that was like my whole life and then I sold everything in 2011 and 2012 we had a clothing line as well it's called gamess we were the largest supplier of Brazilian jiujitsu martial arts uniforms in the world W okay so sold those and then you know kind of went a different direction okay but um yeah mixed martial arts we we actually uh we just partnered with the UFC with the official stem cell uh provider of the UFC so oh my gosh whoa that is of course you would find some combination to fit that in that the coolest thing ever and I'm trying to do the same figuring out how I can combine these things that I'm really good at so that I can have those different brains and make it all operate the same time that's so fascinating no it was cool it kind of went full circle you know it's like uh you know we'd been out of the sport I'd have been out for gosh 24 uh yeah 12 years okay and so finally coming back and partnering with the UFC we still got a bunch of friends that are Fighters and stuff so we were watching but I definitely wasn't very involved at all okay and uh but now yeah we're flying um tonight or actually when the show's done um we'll be flying to Vegas for the UFC oh my God so neat yeah so cool okay go a lot um what else are what else are you passionate about um I'm still passionate about cycling even though I did the same thing I took a break like you I I still watch it and I love it I haven't been on my bike in like a year um I think I got to figure out how to make it work here in Nashville um it's not as cycling friendly as LA or San Diego so I got to I want to feel safe um and I'm getting older too and I just it it seems less appealing to get on the road with other cars and put myself at risk where you know before I was a bike messenger in La I was like let's risk it for the biscuit you know what I'm saying why not but I'm I got to find my my way um in the cycling World out here but I'm I'm passionate about cycling um special needs and I would say hot yoga are like these three other tiers that I'm into oh nice so you're doing hot yoga in Nashville where you doing it at um Nashville yoga Co has been one of my favorites it's I found some that are like I want to be questioning my life after each class so like I don't want it to be too easy and I want it to be like incredibly hot you want to question your life every time every time yep without a doubt that's cool yeah my my girlfriend uh does it here in East Nashville but okay um yeah she's mentioned that some places are a lot hotter yes than others oh yeah and it's funny because it's just they're all labeled hot yoga but then you can go into an easy hot yoga or a you might pass out hot yoga right yeah I did it a couple times I thought was awesome oh my God yeah I mean the the uh actually they told me this and you know like I said I come from a fighting background and I don't care what people think I really don't I've had the tough trainings I've been through hell Etc and uh it was I've been like three classes and one of the classes uh you know I was I was sore and they said you could just lay there yeah and I just laid there the whole class oh my God yes sometimes you have no choice it was it was pretty awesome so uh I wanted to kind of get back into it but um or you know do more classes I wasn't really into it but do more classes but I make excuses on oh I'm too busy or this or that yeah find those excuses in life so in Nashville you're possibly looking at you know buying some real estate uh what are some of their goals here um I would say um it's more of just like I wna I want to leave some sort of print on Nashville yeah and I don't know what that looks like yet but I I can only see okay what could I do for someone in my position to to make things a little bit better the fact that I am doing a local podcast right now is the coolest thing ever like we got to have more maybe I'm not making connections or maybe I need to find a way to make it easier for people in Nashville to make connections like this but I I'm very antisocial and so I'm I'm not like the person that's out all the time so I'm trying to figure out how can I make my my print on Nashville or or make something a little bit better or easier and I want Nashville to be like not necessarily the next LA or the next Miami but I want it to be like I just got such a cool vision for Nashville and um I don't know what it looks like but I I know I got I got at least a path I don't know how narrow we're going to get but I all I can think of is like okay what what can I do for myself that would make it a little bit easier for people in my position and so that's kind of the the idea but I I don't quite know yet it's still we're still figuring it out what do you like to do for for fun around here um hang out with family family yeah family family not Broadway oh my God that ain't me that ain't me I don't have much experience on Broadway at all I think my my sisters tried to take me maybe like two times and I was like okay this is cool I mean I guess you got to it's like a initiation you got to try Broadway at least a few times to me it it used to be much more fun before all the people okay came I mean Broadway when I was growing up uh in high school and stuff was nothing it was like some I think some sex shops and it was like you know it was it was like trashy you I guess now it's a little trashy in different ways but different it was uh you know it was certain type of trash per se and Second Avenue was the big street and second AV is where the bomb went off so it's not really being uh you can't really use Second Avenue much Second Avenue anymore you heard about the bomb a couple years ago no yeah so uh on Christmas Eve of 2021 I believe it was maybe 2020 oh I did hear there was a bomb that went off and you can you can ride down there and they're still on the right side going north um I mean just giant chunks not just a little bit of a chunk but giant chunks of building taken out they haven't still they haven't with it I remember hearing about that and I I don't know why that seemed so long ago but it wasn't that long ago at all no it wasn't wow yeah it shook the city and you know what's wild about that is across the street from the the historic buildings that were taken out uh is the AT&T building but it houses from my understanding the CIA the FBI Communications and and so whoever did that tried to take out the communications and that's a bombproof building so it bounced off the building and took out the other side of the block whoa this makes so much sense I didn't I must not have done enough research or any research at all but whoa it just blew my mind well it wasn't even you know and a lot of people forget about it because it it was a big story for like a day yeah what happened it just it went away it just went away weird and so um yeah but it's still taken out I was actually talking to the mayor about it and um he was saying that the reason they haven't rebuilt it is because of the insurance there's so many fights with insurance companies not want to do certain things and uh and all of that and um I I I feel bad for the people that live there thankfully nobody died um and you've got to go see it I mean you really have to see it because it's it's you can't really explain it with words how much damage and destruction uh and you just got to take it take it in but um yeah they they haven't they haven't fixed it yet insane so um but so Second Avenue though U used to be where we would all hang out okay and Broadway wasn't a thing and then kind of the evolution of the city um the entertainment part of the city of the last 25 years so 25 years ago country music wasn't you know in uh let's say a I say younger demographic I'm not young anymore but in the younger demographic wasn't like it wasn't cool uh for the most part and uh a place called tin roof on mban uh started um like having live music that was geared more towards younger people you know 21 to 35 years old that wanted to go to the bars and in many ways uh a lot sparked from that I mean you still had tootsies and stuff on Broadway but you know then Dan mcginness opened on the corner uh that was actually my restaurant I had that for 15 years with a few partners and so there was Tin Roof Dan mcginness that's right where the roundabout is and then things in between uh you know started opening up and so as the music started you know being cool like being marketed to a younger group uh more and more people started going to Broadway and Broadway started uh Steve Smith and and and that crew kind of started to uh really I want say Market to it but more people were going to them and they've got awesome bars on Broadway I me I love Tootsie still it's gotten big but I mean uh and so we used to go you know we'd go into the front of tootsies uh and then go off the back and then go in the back of the stage and go out the front and you just you know have this path that you would take yeah um and so for a number of years it was so much fun because there wasn't a million people yes you know now you know I got to wait in line to get in tootsies unless BT is is letting me in you I I don't know all the bouncers and all that stuff but back in the day I could just literally walk in everywhere you know have a good time walk out and it was it was a lot lot of fun I mean that's what you think the difference is just simply the volume of people or do you think it's also the different types of you know bars or the well that's all happened as well but the volume of people you know the bars that I used to like to go to um you know not that I don't like to go I I you know I'm a redneck at heart so like I still like to go into tootsies and you know I don't really drink Bud Light anymore but I I drink a COR light or whatever and uh you know uh just have a have good time down there but yeah I I I prefer to go on off days where it's like not a lot of people you know uh oh yeah but yeah no I mean I I'll I'll never uh I'll never stop actually loving that so you know Broadway is not as fun anymore and it's a lot to deal with but it's still every now and then oh you know grew up here so it's still fun to me yeah so um the plans in Nashville you're not exactly uh or or rather you know kind of bringing the city together in a way um are do you have any plans with uh doing trading education in the city oh that would be so cool oh that'd be so cool something in person would be insane I I have one student that's local and we're meeting up at a coffee shop and I'm like all right let's do it nice any opportunity I can have in person is just it's so different it's like it's tangible it actually I think the fact that my uncle was you know right next to me like I can almost attribute My Success to that because it's just it's a real life person things are just so different when it's virtual like you just the the ability to to fully believe something when it's in the internet or on the Internet versus someone that's right here next to you it's just different you're able to commit you're able to believe um you can see the vision a little bit better I think just in person is so much better um so yeah I think I I want to try like a my very first in-person event and if that's you know if I had to fly people into Nashville I'll do that but trying to get people in Nashville into the space like that'd be so cool to have you know Nashville Nashville be like one of the the finance hubs of like most of the crypto Traders or most of the like well kind of is for crypto yeah I mean because Bitcoin Magazine's out of Nashville okay and I heard they're doing the conference here next month yes yes I'm going to that for sure yeah that would be a good place to to meet a lot of people um but yeah it's actually got a really cool Community um locally it must be so different crypto must be a just completely different world like the fact that I I'm I'm very heavy into the the finance interest industry but it's like crypto and Futures are just they don't know each other yeah you got to check it out because I mean you know crypto is interesting because you have the the Bitcoin people that the Bitcoin Maxis that think it's only Bitcoin and everything else they call shitcoins ah okay I've heard that you know and uh I mean I don't necessarily I mean I I'm a huge Bitcoin fan I I believe it can change the world but I also think that there's some utility to some of these other tokens as well so I still like my my ethereum yes that I think that was actually the one that seems a little bit less intimidating for me to get into yeah like if I start I feel like I mean what are your thoughts on that just I love ethereum yeah I buy every week bought every week for a long time and that's that's the game plan so I'm not going to try to to do um get into crypto and try to trade it like I do now like I I just it's too intimidating to think of day trading crypto or even maybe swing trading crypto like my my idea is to to try to use my my trend lines for at least a good but then just continue to stack stack stack stack yeah that makes sense I mean like I said I I celebrate when crypto goes down when Bitcoin goes down like yes oh I'm looking for actually I'm looking at this setup on ethereum right now that is just too perfect if you look at the chart I think we've got like three or four touch points on a downward trend line and we're still heading down once we get that break I'm I'm thinking this is it we're we're doing it finally it's going to fly yeah I mean cuz you the thing about crypto um are you familiar with the having event and the the kind of the four-year cycle uhuh okay so um you know every four years in Bitcoin you have What's called the having event okay to where you know the the amount of Bitcoin that you can mine is cut in half yeah so it naturally drives you know the price up because the cost to mind the same amount of uh Bitcoin doubles oh yeah um and so you can pretty much time it uh I look at in a fouryear cycle so um you know generally about you know four to five months after the having event uh Bitcoin starts to do his run okay and um it's really once you see it you you you'll you'll understand it way better than me too if you're in the charts but um it's that's why I say it's very consistent yeah so then you have a crypto winter um and like so for instance this uh this drop I was expecting it to drop the last two times it had dropped 80% from all-time high okay so I was expecting or hoping that Bitcoin would get down to like 11,000 and uh I didn't I mean I was still placing my weekly buys okay um and uh but I didn't do a uh I didn't do a big buy at 15 which is as low as it got basically but um and it didn't drop as much but if you look at inflation uh that had something to do with it because I think the inflation uh kind of uh caused it to not drop as much as I see okay I was hoping but um you know the the last the last three times it has dropped about 80% okay and um you know so you have that crypto winter and then you have a buildup um generally before the having now this time uh you had the ETFs happen so you have now black rock and all of the different uh Bitcoin ETFs that were uh made legal in January so you hit all-time high before the having event so we're kind of in a new world right now we don't know what that what that means but um I would expect coin by the end of the year uh to be at least 100,000 um at least 100,000 but it wouldn't shock me I'm I think Bitcoin is gonna be a million plus in the next 10 years so so cool yeah I'm a huge huge huge fan and uh a lot of people are afraid of and call it volatile I'm like I know that is that is why I have I've been doing I've been trading for nine years and still haven't gotten into it yet like are you kidding me it's because everyone has put that label on it I'm like no God if I could have just not listened to everyone else oh yeah I mean think about if if you would have bought nine years ago oh yeah so that would be 2015 yeah you could have got in for maybe $500 a coin oh my God W and so I mean you know and then the same thing happened it popped to 19,800 or so and then had this big drop and it got down about 3,000 and then had another big run up to um 695 and then it dropped to 15 and now you have another run up to where it's at it got up to 73 broke all-time high before the having EV which is crazy and uh but yeah I mean I think it's just GNA it's going to rock and that gets me so excited of course of all years I'm like okay this is this is the one finally the year yeah well you got to be able to you know sell at the you know when you think it's it's hit its peak before the cycle starts again if you believe in that cycle which I really want you to look at the charts like I said you'll understand it way better better than me um that's what you do but like it's it's so simple I can understand it oh yeah dude that's that is my that is my theme here when it comes to trading that it is so much more simple than people think it is yeah and I'm so I'm curious so you're saying that uh it's looking like eth is getting ready to have a nice pop uhhuh yep and that'll be my that'll be my first entry oh good um so I'm just waiting on it we're we're still pulling down we're still coming down lower but um I I've been able to simply just by looking at the chart and draw my little llc's on it my lines um I've been able to see this this downward trend line and I think we've got like maybe four touch points where it's it's hit this line fell off hit this line fell off hit this line and right now we're in the fallof but as soon as we break that line I'm like okay that's what gives me my my confirmation or my confidence to be like okay we're doing this and I even have found areas to where it looks kind of like this fan of downward trend lines so these are just even more opportunities to just stack stack stack to just continue to get in so I'm actually excited that we've got this this pullback because I do better when when we get the change finally when we get like the first sign of ramping up so I I never will see if I can catch the bottom because that's that's not my strategy and I I don't know some people will try to find like these uh these similar lows that it's hit at and try to get it that same low but um I'm just trying to find the first sign of the break of the trend that's awesome yeah I mean that what's crazy about Bitcoin like the last run and ethereum's in many ways just like it you know ethereum goes up when Bitcoin goes up it's a little a little behind it but um you know I believe it was eight 25% drops to the last alltime High yeah so it had like you know it was like a I think it was I think it was eight of them don't quote me on that but oh oh eight 25% drop yeah so it Dro and like oh it's over and then it pops back up and so that's volatile I understand that but if you look at it big picture you know long term so yeah I think you'll see if you get into crypto like you got to have Diamond hands yeah yeah you got totally I get that and I think that's the that's what's kind of maybe giv me like my Edge is just knowing that there is EB and flow and giving it enough wiggle room is what my uncle calls it like absolutely I am fully aware like there's there's going to be some snapping in either direction so that type of volatility yeah that part I get absolutely it would be interesting to see how how you uh how you like it I know I'm Crack the Code I mean I I'm not a Trader like that by any means I'm not a Trader at all um but you know if I if I was reincarnated or something maybe I would come back as a crypto Trader because I think it be really exciting oh my God yeah if you can get in get into it now I mean just think if Bitcoin uh is digital gold uh that would put about a 12 trillion doll uh uh Market yeah you know and so that'd be about 650,000 per Bitcoin and um so it has a if if it is that it has a long way to go yeah true but I'm I I can just I can see the vision I mean I actually trade gold and um it's just and I remember when we got this weird Eerie feeling that everyone was like okay the crash is coming the recession is coming and I mean I was prepared I'm like okay I mean I'm I'm simply just looking at charts ready for it to happen it never happened still hasn't happened and I'm like what is going on I still get this weird has happened with gold this well even just the the indexes the S&P um everyone's still talking about this crash going to happen oh I see yeah and um so everyone was actually buying gold and I was just trading gold um it still has created you know even higher highs it's still breaking all-time highs and I'm just like if I could see Bitcoin in the same sense that I see gold yeah it's there then then you get it uh what why don't you think the market has crashed yet cuz you're right I thought it was going to crash a long time ago as well I know oh it's and it's to be honest it's Eerie at this point because we've been like it's been shoved down our throats that it's happen and like the news and you know everyone not believing that it can still go even higher even though interest rates are just insane and like nothing's adding up and it's it's it's just a I can't explain it any other way that it's just like an it's an eerie feeling to continue to see like the the indices create higher highs and higher highs and um it's giving me a a bias for sure like I can't get myself to to place any buy orders in any of the indexes I can't do it it's so hard because everyone's just saying there's going to be this crash and it's like when you see you're like there's no possible way you could go higher and then it does and it still does yes almost at 40 what do you think about AI in trading are you using any of those tools um I oh this is a great question I um I thought it was going to be incredible I thought it was going to be incredible I'm like oh my gosh there's there's going to be this Edge you could almost uh automate trading with AI and but I feel like there is still something that and this goes back to the intuition we were talking about and there's and I think this is why it's probably got a long way to go a much longer way than we think to go um understanding like gut feelings and knowing when even though like let's say a computer can see a setup and they're going to take the setup but a human can see a setup everything looks A+ but not take it they could pass up on it yeah or they could see a setup and go in than they're used to where uh you know the the AI or the computer or the you know the the system will just continue to do the same thing a plus b equal C every time every time every time whereas the human aspect to it there's so much more of an edge like being able to go heavier in certain setups being able to pass up on setups um maybe even take you know not a A+ setup maybe a B+ setup so there's just I think the human aspect of it still has that Edge versus the the AI version but I think there's there's potential I just think we're a lot farther than we think really so so are there any reasonably good programs right now that uh are AI training programs um not that I know of as far as just simply like a an automated like an indicator that would throw on like entries um there is this I I don't have much experience but I'm seeing other traders in the space that are um kind of at my level that are doing these things called Bots and um it's similar M it's kind of same situation and they're they're showing returns I'm I'm skeptical so I'm not sure but um I would like to do a little bit more research on it maybe just try it myself um and see yeah I mean because you know with AI it's only as good as the information that's put into it so like in healthcare for instance uh you know people think AI is going to completely transform Healthcare in certain ways it can help but uh you're limited to the the amount of correct information put in the system and so for instance doctors when they write their medical records they're not all speaking the same language oh and so uh you know when you enter those data points into the AI it doesn't know what to do with it because it's so it'll spit out the wrong information yeah so AI is really just it's only as good as the accuracy of the information that's put in it but I thought you know for a while I'm like wow with trading if you can put accurate information to train the system in how to think I mean you could train it to trade just like you mechanically right and it'll do that on a consistent basis so I'm surprised nobody's actually taking that and I know and I think I think it's the same the same concept though so when you say that like um you know we'll say three different doctors put in their um diagnosis or their uh yeah diagnosis yeah yeah but um and it's it's similar but you know somehow all three of them came up with a different diagnosis and I think that's kind of the same thing with with trading you could look at three different setups and one Trader might think a buy one might think a sell how is that but it's just it's the trader it's the information that they're given um so I think it's the same exact concept to be honest yeah I mean but you could train it on how you think okay fair you and that would those you know for it and so um yeah I mean I would I would love to have ai trade for me that'd be great I oh absolutely yeah are you kidding me I mean the the amount it it would take a lot of stress off the table right so much um what are some of the gains that you've seen some of your your students get um oh man I think I'm excited to see when my students start passing me up um I'm I'm already seeing them I I'm not sure percentage wise but I'm seeing and I try to promote that I try to promote you know taking the dollar amounts off because it it makes it tricky for everyone to see okay but I've only got this much in my account and I see this guy making five grand but um there's a lot of post of like it's it's a lot of dollar amounts but it's it's fascinating to see the the ones that are doing the best it's the the cool is to see students that come to me that don't know anything prior and to see them make the transition from SIM to live and then to see them actually making money is just the coolest thing ever and it's the ones that committed the most amount of time to the Sim trading MH and the ones that decided to um keep their watch list small so one of my best students right now he's on he's on Discord and he decided to commit to platinum and he also decided to commit to the 4-Hour time frame as well which is what I'm doing now and he spent months Sim trading like he just wasn't ready yet he's like nope I want to truly develop this relationship with Platinum sure and what is platinum sorry Platinum so that's what it's like gold silver oil plaum Platinum yeah yeah um that's actually what I've been trading this year and I've been it is it has blown my mind Platinum is like whoa what it's just so cool you would think um You' think gold would be this this crazy thing to get into to trade um there's it's just I don't know how I found my way to platinum I really don't um there's copper copper has some good price action um silver and gold they they move similarly and then Platinum will do the complete opposite of what are those two are doing and um but the way that Platinum moves as far as like respecting Trends and like clean price action it truly is and it's the coolest thing ever crude oil has been a tricky one for me so those have been the two that I've been trading for the past a long time I'd say crude oil probably more than five years of experience um but it's it's so fascinating to when you really do develop a relationship with an instrument it just it's the coolest thing ever you I you feel passionate about it like I love crude oil and I love platinum and it's cool to see like how crude oil will be non-reactive to like fed days or like your your normal news that comes out but obviously when world events happen crude oil is is crazy but these are some things that like it's not a planned news day sure like you know Ukraine stuff oil was insane or even just the most recent current events that happened in I believe it was Iran like it's just oil will make insane moves yeah and then Platinum also very non-reactive to news but very clean price action and it just feels like you can you can find your Edge in Platinum and then sometimes when when Platinum doesn't you know when it's not as respectful um I'm like I'll take it all day go ahead do what you need to do because I know you know once you're done consolidating or doing whatever you're doing faking out like we're going to get that clean price action very soon so with uh with crude oil um during the pandemic it dropped oh my God it went to almost zero right it went to negative I think 20 or 40 so if if I would have purchased say 100 Grand at negative would I like is is that how that would have worked I truly tried and I don't know how how the brokerages made it work my broker said uh-uh it didn't let me I hit the sell button I was like let's go my setup was there I remember I was watching it on my phone as it was happening and I'm like I this bye bye bye bye bye I had this immense sense of panic well I thought like I mean yes the setup was there um and I I thought like the apocalypse was going to happen I'm like this has never this can't be good there is no this has got to be awful and the fact that like it ended up not being that crazy and like that's just something we're talking about oh yeah crude oil fell to 4 how does that even happen I don't know but my my brokerage didn't let me uh take any positions so I'd be fasc I heard some stories on like these dudes that made Millions upon I'm s hundreds of millions like these group of like five dudes that were just like somehow able to capitalize on it but I'm not sure how brokerages were able to make that happen yeah I remember uh seeing it dropping and you know I don't I don't have any stocks or anything like that so I was just like boy if I could just buy oil right now you're like right yeah um I was kind of wondering what happened with that so they wouldn't let you buy in the middle of that uh when when did they open the market back up for that um I how long did I I think by that point I I didn't see when I could get into another position until like probably a week from from that from that day I I got that like analysis paralysis I like okay well since I couldn't get in then that was such an insane move I have no idea I got no idea what could happen so yeah yeah so I didn't even attempt to get in but I believe I started trading it again like maybe a week or two after yeah so you were trading through the pandemic yeah what was that what was that like it was um it was very fun it was fun I I ended up finding my my favorite stock which was Tesla I had so much fun with Tesla nice um Tesla and Roku were were a lot of fun during the pandemic um Platinum I remember I traded it and I did not have a love for it I had a distaste for it actually it was just not it was it wasn't working for me um crude oil was a blast a lot of a lot of movement a lot of volatility in the best way and um so yeah that was it was dude the pandemic was that's where a lot of people got into trading actually so many people it makes sense I think the only downside is it was so easy to trade during the pandemic that when market conditions changed everyone was like losing everything they've made they're like what happened and it's just market conditions got real tricky yeah a lot of stuff happened during the the pandemic that I didn't expect you know with um with the economy I mean it's like to me it was obvious if you print $6 trillion dollar you're going to cause inflation yeah you know and the fact that the whole system didn't just collapse the stock market I know I know you know right now with as bad as the economy is well why are the why is the stock market you know 39,000 I know um I'm in the same I'm I'm so there's just such a an eerie feeling it's just some things it's it's confusing something doesn't make sense no it's not right I wonder if somehow the AI is propping everything up we don't know it you know what I wouldn't even doubt it for a second go down a conspiracy rabbit hole we could we could um yeah waiting for the anunaki to come out of the ocean now all right um no it's it's it's it's been wild because I mean even if you would have bought what four years ago um it's it's still bounced back in some of the worst Economic Times that we've had I know I mean Main Street fills it uh we you know everybody on the street fills the the the pain but you know those that are doing well are really you know seem to be doing pretty well so it's kind of it's kind of sadden that way you know inflation is a tax on the poor and you know I grew up with not a lot of money and so you know if prices went up 20% 25% for my family when I was growing up it would have crushed them yeah you know so yeah some something doesn't make sense but that's for another podcast fair fair uh well T it's great talking to you anything you want to say in in closing um the fact that I am doing this local I want to reiterate again is the coolest thing ever and I want to do more of these and I think making connections with other people in you know the space the podcast space the finance space um the entrepreneurial space is absolutely what I want to do so finding more Nashville natives out here to connect with is a goal of mine and this is we've already checked the first one off awesome well I introduce to some of my friends as well here in the city awesome I appreciate glad you're here thank you Tory thanks for having me the traders that fully understand themselves the most are the most successful if my uncle didn't do this there is no way I would have found my way to this industry what type of returns has he got over the years I've seen him turn a $5,000 account into a million dollar what do you think about AI in trading I think the human aspect of it still has that Edge versus the the AI version pandemic that's where a lot of people got into trading actually it was so easy to trade during the pandemic that when market conditions changed everyone was like losing everything they've made they're like what happened I never blew an account so that's one thing where the whole industry is like they don't believe it they're like no way did she ever not lose all her money the most successful Traders are the most aware Victoria Duke welcome to the podcast thanks for having me yeah thanks for coming so you're a futur Trader who just moved to Nashville you have a very successful coaching program with over a thousand students um you've been doing it for 9 years learn from your uncle what's the difference between Forex and and Future so Forex is currencies um it's a lot harder to find a Forex broker to trade on that's regulated in the US so it's got a little bit of a negative connotation to it um Futures Trading feels a lot more you know professional we Futures Traders we've got regulated Brokers here in the US we're trading things like gold and silver yeah so you know with with trading you're you're not looking for like the long-term investment you're like uh trading fast I would guess you would say yeah the the beginning of my trading career career started in the 5 minute time frame so I was in and out many trades within the day but now I've kind of migrated to this um swing trading so I'm holding for like a week um it's it's not the bigger picture like the long-term investment but it's a little bit longer and you started with your your uncle kind of uh tell us how how that got started um I would say if my uncle didn't do this there is no way I would have found my way to to this industry um he is a day trader and taught me uh I I always knew what he did but it was like I saw his lifestyle he was always home um if we ever went on like family trips my uncle was taking us too like even the nieces and um you know first cousin second cousins like he was just he was taking the family so I knew he he did something that was a little bit different than what most people do in my family and um one of which was was day trading so he also owned like an alarm business he did some um online e-commerce businesses uh he's a heavy entrepreneur and a lot of real estate so I just knew something he did was different and when I finally had the opportunity to learn just one portion of it which is interesting I'm I I I just happened to get lucky that he taught me the the trading aspect he could have taught me about real estate he could have taught me about the e-commerce business um but it was just the Stars aligned and he was like you know what I I want to be able to teach other people how to trade so let me teach you we'll record it and that was my opportunity to learn how to trade nice how did he get his started in in trading he was self-taught um when I hear his story it was a a tough one um anybody doing anything selftaught I feel like you just go through all of the trials and tribulations you know what I'm saying everything is just trial and error you got to figure out what works what doesn't there is a plethora of information out there um when he got into trading it's a little bit outside of my realm like I think he had to make phone calls and you know get like letters in making sure that he was in a position um and then he's been doing it for so long that now he's migrated to where he just does it from his phone now wow but he he told me lots of Stories on a lot of losses he's taken um his his struggles to find in a strategy that works for him and he he said that he's tried it all you know um indicators uh fundamentals like learn about how if like earnings reports are coming in how can he tie that into a good trade or um different indicators strategies books psychology he he he said he went full circle and then brought it all back to a very Elementary strategy which is just trend lines did did he have a uh like a mentor teaching him no he was solo books I think it was just a lot of books and a lot of trial and error and um just research on his own yeah I guess it kind of shows that you know no matter what you're doing you know if you put the time into it and really want the knowledge you'll go out and and figure it out I think you know today I know you're teaching uh you know there's a lot more opportunities for people to actually learn to you know get wealthy or yeah uh make a living you know doing things like that yeah yeah um so uh you know with your uncle when you started with him what was the the process did he have a system did he what was that like yeah it felt I'm sure he had a system but I was just along for the ride it was um oh it was it was so much fun it was the coolest thing getting to learn from him so I also got to learn with my sister so both of us would we would sit down we would try to have like structured days where we would sit down just like this and he would kind of go through some spreadsheets that he had and we would he'd be like okay read this line here and we would talk it it all started with psychology though so I think that was his premise we didn't even look at charts until like 2 to 3 weeks in like we're just talking about mindset Psych ology understanding what it's like to be a loser and how that goes against everything in like human nature where you just want to avoid that at all cost and um so he was he was heavy on psychology the very the very beginning um a lot of analogies a lot hundred different analogies talking about associating trading with like cooking and um medieval times and like so just so many different analogies where he he tried every every angle to make sure that that we fully understood the mindset that we have to be in before we even started looking at charts what did uh what did he do for the psychology training he have you uh like read books or what was what was it like no uhuh so at the at the very beginning I'm talking very very beginning first few things trading related wise he was like okay everything that I'm going to tell you is all you need to know so he actually advised against doing our own research okay because I think he maybe thought it was like polluted like the the information out there is he understood that most of what people are doing isn't working because of the you know the statistics for people that actually make it in trading so he's like I want you to think completely different than everyone else um so the first thing he said was everything I'm going to teach you you know while we're learning this is all you need to know you don't need to go out and do any other research so he didn't even recommend any books um it was purely just taking every bit of information that he had to give wow and so after two or three weeks he started teaching you how to trade what was the first thing that he taught you um the loc and it was the line of change and that was essentially the trend line and um it was looking at the charts and he had them as naked as possible we were just looking at what the price had done on like a blank canvas there was no noise it was the cleanest chart I've ever seen and he had just he threw one line on there he was like this is an loc line of change and then he also said it's the lot and the LOD the line of Truth the line of death like all of these things so heavy it was very cool I love going back and being old to like reminisce on this um but it was it was just a trend line that was the very first thing he taught me and so you know when he showed you the the first line of uh uh line of was it what line of change sorry I was thinking lot l o l um when he showed you the first line of change uh did it click with you or was it something that was like you know what's kind of going through your your mind as you're you're starting to learn this um it he made it tangible he made it understandable um he would before the line of change you know I take that back before the line of change he showed me just the plain chart just a plain chart and he asked me what direction does this look like it's going in so we would just look at a screen and I'd be like okay looks like it's going up he'd be like overall which way and I said up okay and then he'd showed me another one and be like okay overall up and he' showed me another one overall down and then you know the trickier ones when it was kind of not really having a direction it was sideways um so I guess figuring out the overall direction was first and foremost but then when he threw the line on there it still didn't seem intimidating he was like okay throwing a line on there this looks like geography I'll take it cool and I mean very tangible and so uh what were you doing at the time when you when you started learning this um I was cycling so I wanted to be a professional athlete uhhuh and so you you were doing cycling and were you what were you doing to to make money so I I was learning how to code websites my uncle also gave me the opportunity to work for him so as he's teaching me he's like all right now I'm I'm going to teach you how to trade but I need you to he had me take some courses online to learn how to code learn about Google ads marketing so he was essentially building like this little Empire he's like okay if if you know how to build the website and so I had I had to learn you know so many different things simultaneously so he was paying me to do that and he would even pay me to learn how to code so I would clock in the hours and I'd be watching these videos doing these workbooks and I had the opportunity to learn and be paid to learn to do that too and so you know when you started did you start with a I'm going to call it a fake account there's probably a term in it sim a Sim yeah so you had a Sim account when did you actually start doing your trading on the Sim account um I would say very shortly after like maybe the I'd say a few weeks after maybe month one of learning we opened a Sim account and we got to see what it was like to actually hit the buy button hit the sell button see as you know the the price progresses it was it was fascinating and when did you start uh you know seeing that you could make money doing it like how quickly did it uh take you to be kind of successful at it um that was a a long a long journey so um the at least Sim trading wise I could see it I could see it it was the coolest thing it's like you unlocked something in my brain it's like oh my gosh this is this can be real like I'm just hitting buttons and I can see you know profit and loss go up and down um but it's completely different when you actually start putting real money on the line things sting a little bit more you're a little bit more hesitant but Sim trading I did it for a year okay my uncle made sure um also when he taught me he was like okay everyone wants to go in and immediately start making money immediately and he asked me if I want to do that I was like of course and he's like no we're not going to do that so nice try so um I I had to simulate for a year and that is an incredible amount of discipline because everybody wants to just see the opportunity that it could actually do for you you just want to put a little bit of money in sure so it was Sim trading for the first year and it wasn't until year three to almost four that I actually was able to consistently bring in profits with live money I see and so that that first year how did you do overall um oh it was sporadic it was all over the place it none of it was tracked I remember I tried to do some I had like Ledger cards that I tried to write trades on and I wasn't consistent as far as keeping track of it all um but it was a blast yeah you had a good time what's um so year two you start trading with real money what how much money did you did you put in only 5,000 5,000 okay well I say only um a lot of people I'm I'm coming to find since I've got more of a following and I can I can actually kind of see as a whole the community and how everyone gets into trading and my story is a lot different than how everyone else gets into trading most people want to get in with around like 500 bucks okay and it's fair but since that's just so far from the way that I made it it seems so much harder yeah to grow a $500 account whereas 5,000 that was just enough of a buffer and it was also at the time the minimum to start a Futures account okay and so uh you started training uh trading Futures how did you do that second year um the second year was no progress whatsoever um I never blew an account so that's one thing where the whole industry is like they don't believe it like no way did she ever not lose all her money and it makes total sense when my uncle was my mentor like first things first after you know learning the LLC and learning you know what direction is this going in um psychology wise the first thing we learned was to protect our Capital keep our Capital that was before we even started looking at charts he was like that is the name of the game here and in order to protect your Capital it actually involves paying little fees it's like paying your way out of trouble so he I already understood that concept completely and fully I never was going to put it all on the line for one trade so my risk management psychology wise was way ahead of my time so it's hard for the community to understand that I never took an account to zero but no progress when you say paying your fees what what does that mean it's taken a loss he just he he changed it so instead of calling it a loss we just considered it a fee okay so a loss is a fee and you you you you pay your fees every now and then but I guess the ideas that you don't want to pay tooo high a fee so you don't risk blowing your account exactly yes yeah and so um you how have you built that up you know year three year four how how did you start building that it was a lot of so same exact strategy so the strategy never changed which is cool but so it's you can understand it's heavy psychology wise holding winners not letting losses affect you so a lot of struggle in that sense um and I was in a position where for most of my trading care I compared myself to my uncle and like that makes no sense God I wish I'd had somebody else to compare to someone just a little bit you know scaled down so I was so ambitious and like I wanted to get so far so quick and I think that hindered me a lot like I was holding positions just wanting to like catch a massive move and be like okay this is what my uncle's doing and I ended up most of the time just giving it back giving it back giving it back so slowly like things started to change in my psychology and I was like okay you know what I'm just going to try to collect these small winners and that snowballs and that snowballs and that continues and yes there'd be times where I'd be like okay I think I think I can hold this one or you know psychology would get in the way and I'd get a little bit greedy but for the most part it's just stacking up those small wins yeah and how how have the returns been since you started like what overall where are you at um we're doing incredible now now I am my percentages are a little bit uh uncomprehended I guess I mean maybe for most so I was able to I've been in Bitcoin for a long time oh okay okay you know then you know okay yes the the crypto world you can flip stuff like nobody's business okay yes yes um in the like the future space and the day trading space and the long-term investment space those numbers are just hard to to grasp but this year and last year so far I've been able to make last year I made I think it's something wild like 300% maybe 400% and then this year I was able to turn my 100K account into 200k in just six trades so like the I feel like the um the maturity level of a trador like I've just I'm finally seeing just such a transformation yeah so um you know with that uh you know I don't know the field so forgive my ignorance on that oh no but um you know in you're teaching so are people skeptical of you know your abilities to teach and and and what's that like yeah and that is the that's one of the hardest things in the industry and it's um it's a very scammy like it's a scammy space and I get it and it's a bummer um I wish that there wasn't such a negative connotation when you say that you're an educator in the space and um but there is and people are like if you don't you know if those who can't teach and I'm like that's not the case I'm sorry it's not I'm actually just I I have a way with connecting with students and I enjoy it um I but it there's something weird to where the community has convinced me that it's it's not a good thing to do so that's some things that I'm absolutely still struggling with I see uh you know the psychology aspect I mean it it's important obviously for trading as you're talking about but it's important in life too oh my gosh yes it reflects in life tenfold yeah one of the biggest uh things I think that that's helped me be successful is uh wrestling in you know Junior High and high school and I got a scholarship wrestle in college too didn't didn't wrestle much in college but you learn to L you're going to lose and you know it's just basically you versus the other person you can't blame anybody else you can't be a victim to you know maybe you could say the ref scre you some way but you know I mean it's like it's it's you and the other person and you have to learn to lose and not let it affect uh you know affect everything um kind of how has that played a role in in what you're doing with the you know in the psychology aspect of trading yeah that sounded like word for word to be honest word for word you cannot blame anyone else like there's the the factors are just you and the likelihood of it being a loss is high there's it's it's going to happen it's inevitable um it's just a matter of I think the the most successful Traders are the most aware Traders like self-aware like they can regulate their emotions they they understand you know as soon as something's coming up they're feeling it whether they need to sit in it to act on it um to put some coping strategies in place I think the traders that fully understand themselves the most are the most successful yeah what do you think you know for for for people going into trading uh let's say like for me I don't know anything about trading I dollar cost average every week in crypto and have for a long time dude I'm so soaked to get into crypto this year by the way oh yeah finally will be we we'll chat about that um but like the uh you know someone wants to get involved in Futures Trading where do they start I would say it is I always want to say psychology first like if they I think it truly starts with expectations the correct expectations cuz if someone is going to if they if they want to get into trading and they want results next month they're they're not going to make it so the the trader that can come in with the correct expectations knowing okay I'm probably going to have to commit like three years to this three years and there's going to be losses along the way too that Trader that understands that first and foremost they're probably going to make it but I would say as far as um maybe the trader that already understands that concept it's a matter of mastering psychology first mastering yourself first and then getting into a strategy um there's so many different strategies so that's the hardest part to say where do you start I would say it could just simply start with understanding the Futures Market as a whole and understanding how to read a chart I would say download trading view it's the app and just learn how to navigate it look at a chart see and then look at it every day see how price populates I think that's a great start but since there are so many different strategies out there it's hard to just be like here do this you know a b c d and then you'll you'll make it what is what is Futures Trading so for people that don't know like what what is what does that Encompass so I I started with the stock market and that was the easiest concept of Gras you you know you buy a share of a company and then when you're ready you sell that share so it's it's an easy concept of grass you know you're buying one share you're selling one share um when you get in your one share costs the amount of what it's trading at um Futures Trading is a little bit different so it's contract based but you're essentially like let's say cor for example you're you're kind of betting on how corn is going to be doing the crops are going to be doing in the future so but my strategy is it doesn't involve any fundamental research so it's purely just price action so I'm looking at the charts but for the most part that's what the Futures Market is and there's going to be expiration dates so you're trading a certain contract and actually most of the um futur tra trading contracts just expired just a few days ago so everyone's having to switch over to the new contracts um but it's not something similar to options which have you heard of options before options trading that is like a foreign language to me that one's tricky and that one also trades in contracts but it's a different kind of contracts so it's more like there's um time Decay and Theta and beta these are words that I just so happen to know but know nothing about right um but as far as Futures Trading I like to look at the contracts as similar to shares as I can so one contract has a set amount it's going to cost you either 600 bucks to buy a contract and you can either buy one to x amount however many so so I that was the easiest way to make the connection was if I can consider a contract similar to a share it's it's very similar everything after that well so um you know with Futures Trading you're not looking at you know a year two years you're you're just going off of the chart what's about to happen let's say MH uh do you look at anything you know long term are you kind of uh uh learning more in your investment strategy to start doing some of those things I can't wait to be able to get a little bit more long-term I think um the more or the higher time frames that I move up as I continue this journey it makes me feel like a more professional more you know dignified I don't know if that's the word I'm looking for but just I feel like I'm I'm leveling up as a Trader the higher time frame that I get into um but when I'm doing my my trades and I'm doing my chart analysis I actually want to I do want to look at the overall picture the big picture but it's more so to see what it did in the past so like let's say I'm trading I want to trade corn for the first time I want to look at the it's called the continuous contract so you get to see you know from the start corn has been on the market to today you get see what it's done overall so I want to see like as much data as I can so and it just starts with same thing my uncle was showing me he showed me a chart he said okay overall is this up or down so that was the first thing is it up or down so I'll throw some trend lines on there and then you start kind of zooming in more and more and more and more and more until you get to the time frame that you want to trade so I used to stop at the F minute time frame so I used to be like real zoomed in with the magnifying glass but now I just stay at the four hour time frame so now I'm just concerned about what the price of corn is doing within four hours of each candle what does your uncle look at like he's still to be honest he might be all over the place okay I think he might kind of bounce between the 1 hour and the 5 minute okay and what type of returns has he got over the years like what's what's he looking at I've I don't know his exact numbers but I can tell you I've seen him turn a $5,000 account into a million dollar and that's the coolest thing and I don't know how many times he's done that and don't know um what other accounts he has but that was one that I saw and I even remember um when he first showed me how to trade and me and my sister were uh we got to kind of like look over his shoulder at his trades and when we would see some of the account balances we were like what like what we didn't even know we were it was we we would laugh like to each other and be like are you serious that's crazy yeah and so with it is it short-term capital gains every time you turn a profit um yes for the stock market but Futures Market actually has a little bit of a benefit I believe it is it's like there's a 30 I my tax guy knows better than I do but there is some sort of a tax break when it comes to Futures Trading versus that short-term capital gain that you get with the stock market that's another thing that uh I'm sure people get in trouble with is not keeping up with their their taxes that just know the right guy I think that is my best advice I don't know much about it I'm not a tax person I don't know the best way to go about it but if you hire the right person who does know yeah finding the right person is so hard I mean I've been through I don't know how many accountants over the years and you think that a CPA knows uh how to save you money on taxes and what but they don't they're actually going for the safest bet oh my God into actually saving you money and you know as you get more wealthy your tax bill is it's my biggest expense right now oh yeah and so yeah I know like for crypto um we've had to go back and and and even change some things because it was a little ambiguous for a while too as far as what you know how is it taxed and those type of things but uh yeah I know people I mean it's I mean with any business you get in trouble with the taxes and yeah you you got to find the right guy and then you got to keep digging to find the right person to find the right offsets you can and I bet CPA probably hate like day Traders it's proba they're probably like this is the the sketchiest thing you could possibly gam like I feel like that is so anti what CPAs are taught to be honest yeah they don't they don't like anything I remember I had a a tax uh accountant here for a while and he's like and it was almost like he wasn't looking for any type of savings but he has he's like a country guys wow that's a lot of tax I'll never forget him saying that's a lot I'm like yeah that's a lot of tax you know I want you to shrink it somehow but um yeah so you're talking about getting into crypto what's uh what's the plans with that I've always been so intimidated um I when my uncle taught me how to trade and we're like a few years in and I'm finally like kind of getting a handle on like the the trading world and I'm looking into Forex what is Forex I'm like Uncle Mike why don't you trade Forex look at all these dudes making so much money in Forex he's like I'm not concerned I'm like what about crypto look at all this stuff and he's like I'm not concerned I'm like frustrating cuz I wanted to get into it cuz it's all the hype it's fad right now um but I never did and years later I I would always be fascinated about it I'd look at it but it it looked like something that was incredibly difficult to day trade is that is it possible I mean do you have any Experience day trading crypto no I'm I'm whenever I try to pick a you know pick the right coin for uh you know to to to make a quick Buck I lose so I don't even look at it every Wednesday uh you know I make my investment automatically dollar cost average and I celebrate when crypto goes down though because I believe because all I have really is uh %'s in Bitcoin and ethereum and the other 10% is in a couple other uh I'll call them higher risk coins but when Bitcoin goes down I'm like yeah I can buy more at a at a better you know at a cheaper price I mean most of the people that I know that are into crypto are saying the same thing that you are people aren't like they're not the panicked ones it's just the ones that are maybe like that don't have as much experience or maybe put too much than they were willing to bargain in into it but I that's the same thing I'm hearing well yeah I I was I was arguing with chat GPT a couple weeks ago and um I'm like you know basically I think you people look at crypto uh as like a volatile Market oh it's volatile I'm right it's the most consistent if you look over a 10-year period you can pretty much tell what it's going to do over a time frame not necessarily on the day that's why I don't try to uh you know make buys when you know when at certain times I'm like just consistent I know that if I do that especially with what I believe you like Bitcoin can be that um it's going to go up uh long term but yeah know I don't do the I don't do day trading by any I try i' you know I've lost a lot of money when I thought I could go and make money doing this quick yes oh my gosh she not that smart yeah and it's never that easy no I'm sure well you know you look at you you have uh an education with it uh did you go to college um I attempted I went to fsj but never finished yeah I didn't either um but uh you know so I can imagine like you know three years of of training you know that's like a college education truly and so you what do you think like a lot of people right now if you look at how expensive college is with student loans and all of these things I feel like for a lot of people College seems to be a waste I feel like I agree with you on that one um I mean it's a bummer thing to say because it's so like anti what everyone does like it's just it's so it's been ingrained into everyone's brain like you just go and maybe for for some maybe for some kids it's better because if they weren't who knows what they'd be doing um so maybe continuing that structure is good for some people right but as as an entrepreneur like I mean I'm sure I had my fear of college tuition that got paid and things that didn't work out or losses in the market but I think the the benefits that I've reaped so far from not taking the college route cuz first of all when you go to college I don't think anyone knows what they actually want to do so then they do you know how many years I wanted to I changed up only in the one semester that I was in I changed up three times I was like okay you know what no I want to do um Physical Therapy no I want to do special education oh my gosh whereas as an entrepreneur you can actually try each one of those things and then one of them's going to pop off or maybe you learn how to do three of those things wrong then do this one better and now you can go back so it's just there's so much more opportunity being an entrepreneur than taking the college route no absolutely you know if you're like the stem fields or something like that it makes sense engineer doctor lawyer all that makes sense but some of the the degrees you know are just you know outrageous and Entrepreneurship I mean it's definitely the way to go if you actually want to if you actually want to make some money there's risk to it but like even like plumbers uh I mean if you want to be a Plummer you can go get the training you're getting paid while you're getting the training as you're an apprentice and you work your way up and then you know if you want to learn business uh on the side and do your own studying exactly it's pretty easy to go out and and make a a tremendous living there's a lot of you know Fields like that in construction where I mean Nashville the construction Market is like I mean there's buildings popping up everywhere they can't we can't find enough people around here I'm getting excited about that yeah are you I mean a little bit discouraged too because I was hoping that I'd be able to get into you know the the housing market before things took off but I haven't sure well I mean there is there's still a lot of opportunity I mean before interest rates drop um you know it's they're still pretty high and I think we're going to see it just go crazy when when they drop the interest rates did you buy your house here in Nashville no um I'm just renting right now just renting but this year was the year that I was like okay we are we're going to finally do it Y and just like trading um the real estate industry is like there is a plethora of information I'm like okay do I take the route where do I just buy my own home or do I take the investment property route or do I want to Airbnb or do I want to get like a multif family home and there are so many different things that I could do and I'm not sure what's your goal with it though um I think from the research I've done on like these successful entrepreneurial guys it's like they're like infinite baking and I actually rent the place that I stay in and I own all of these homes so I'm like okay maybe I don't need to own a home maybe I just need to rent but that seems it's just all over the place yeah I got in in real estate I bought my my first house when I was 21 really yeah it was a uh back back then uh was a long time ago no back then um they had had uh zero interest loans you know and it was like interest only loan I should say zero interest interest only loans you weren't paying any principal so we say you get you know 4% interest only and so yeah I bought uh a house in uh Antioch it was like 190,000 put no money down you know they don't do this and that was a sub Prime Market it it changed a lot but um uh yeah I mean I I started just investing yeah in real estate I had a real estate coaching program back in the day here in Nashville nice way cool you can buy no money down too A lot of people don't realize that like East Ivy where we're at right now 2012 um I was living I sold a couple companies I was living in Costa Rica uh for about six months but I had a uh a condo here as well okay and I was just kind of waiting to see if something popped up and my friend sent a picture from from here he was managing this property and he's like hey I'm going to lease out I'm leasing out the guest house the property and the rest of the property I mean there were the pool was great green the ponds were disgusting I mean it was it was bad and so I came over here and I was like oh this is awesome though obviously the bones of it were great and uh I said well you know if you wanted to you know make this thing work you'd have to get a special exception or a zoning change to be able to do events um and so uh I leased the property at first for the first six months and then um I started working on getting the zoning change uh which we got a special exception to the city to do 120 events a year nice uh so we did that but uh I did a lease purchase with the owner or lease option so uh he wanted a high price the time uh for the property and I said well I'll give you your price but you got to give me the terms that I want and uh so I'll do a five-year lease with the option to purchase at any time over those five years and so I could see kind of what the market was going to do because back then you know the 2008 real estate crash was was serious this is 2012 but it hadn't kind of settled yet we didn't know it was going to happen in the economy okay and so uh he he did the deal and then I had the events basically pay for everything because I was mostly in Mexico okay uh and um I exercised my option in 2017 at the price and it had already appreciate of course wow so it was it was a good deal but oh real estate um you there's a lot of opportunity um and you know you know my dad basically made his money um doing flips and those type of things he had an accident uh kind of lost everything when I was four and took him about 15 years to battle back really but that's what did it he you know got one property rented it um then got another flipped it you know and so I I love real estate for a kind of a safe investment yeah you if you're doing trading you're going to make your your your money doing that but you know you might then be able to hit a couple licks exactly exactly real estate and then the safe route is definitely very appealing to me yeah no that's good so um you know what is your idea here in Nashville you moved here from Los Angeles uh what's what's the goal um the the goal was real estate first and foremost um my trading had already been doing really well even in in La um but the goal was real estate and it was like this best case scenario was going to find like a a duplex and I was going to live in one side and then rent out the other I was like okay this seems like a a good idea um and I'm starting to to look into these different you know then I looked at a quad I'm like o that's even more appealing and then I'm trying to do the math as far as like okay the average rent in this area though is not quite adding up to what the mortgage would be so it's just a matter of I guess just finding the right one um I I'm also trying to figure out am I ready to find my own place yet do I want to buy my own home that I'm going to live in or is my start investment like just to rent out or to Airbnb and that one sounds a little bit more appealing cuz the making decision of the house that I actually want to live in sounds like a lot of pressure yeah yeah I mean I mean getting a I mean a quad or a duplex um it's it's always nice having somebody else pay your mortgage yeah and then make a little beste scenario cash on the side right um so with the with the trading what what are the the goals with the trading like what do you see yourself in five or or 10 years I would say my uncle was a good representation and he my vision if we took my uncle out of the picture would be to just mature into this long-term Trader and I'm just holding positions for like months or you know a year but the fact that my uncle's still day trading is it kind of changes the perspective then it's like maybe that's not the goal maybe it's always to have the opportunity to be able to just get in and make some money and I remember um when I did decide to make this transition to swing trading which was last year 2023 I talked to my uncle about it and he he wasn't super like he wasn't fully supportive on it he was like you know if you're holding the trade for a week do you know how many trades I could capitalize within that week because there's movement whereas there's a possibility you get in at this price and a week later and it's right back to where it started sure and I and I understood that I'm like you know what yeah that's true but the swing trading just it works for me and it was it just it fit it made sense and I was seeing tremendous you know gains from it yeah but um but he's changed my perspective that that was originally the goal to just be this long-term investor but to see my uncle still kill it and just still day trading so that that might not be the goal it might not be to just be this long-term Trader I might just continue to do what I'm doing what are some of your financial goals with it um I would say to definitely do the same thing he did get a 5k account to a million wild yeah that's I feel like how he managed to do that along with the hundred other things that he does I can only do one thing at a time like my trading even so I've tried to incorporate day trading back into my routine so 2023 it took me a whole year to figure out swing trading MH the the higher time frames the holding trades was excruciating you would think it would be like um more peaceful like less less stress but having an open trade that just well you would know I mean you're doing this with crypto like you're doing long-term but it's just the the anxiety of having that open trade for days like I go to sleep and I wake up there's it's still open it's still the possibility of it being a winner a loser and it's every single day and then by the week once it's over and you close you're like oh my God okay the trade is done we've closed it whereas the day trading it's just you're done for the day you don't even even if you took a loss for the day like it's done it's closed it's solidified it's realized now you can go about your day so um it seems like it would be the more peaceful calm swing trading but I've I've struggled with it and maybe I will be but the we'll see I'm I'm still trying to to take that day trading back into to swing trading and it's it's been fascinating but going back to the point Sorry going off track here but um how to do one thing at a time is like I'm still trying to do the swing trading brain and the day trading brain and those just don't work together do the two it's so difficult no it's it's very hard I can either I either have to take a break from swing trading for the month and just day trade or vice versa it's it's very hard to have two brains for that and um and then just to understand that my uncle was somehow able to turn 5K into a million while also having e-commerce businesses and an alarm business and real estate and property management and all of these different things things I'm like how do you maybe that's the goal that's the goal is to be able to to have these different brains and have them all operate at the same time what what do you tell your students are you teaching them swing trading or um day trading so what's cool is it's the the same strategy applied across the board so what I do for my swing trading is the same thing my uncle taught me for the five minute so it's just a matter of I I tell them you got to figure out what resonates with you like are you a Trader who can who can hold trades for you know a week do you have that like that grit or that uh I guess just that mental Capital to where you can you're not exhausted by the time it's over or are you a Trader that's like okay I got to be done for the day at the end of the day like I have to wipe my hands and be done with my trading so it's just when I teach I'm just it's it's kind of like U integrating trading into your life do you have a 9 to-5 do you work from home can you commit um long can you commit more time to trading do you have to just trade after work so it's there's so many variables to figuring out what time frame or what type of Trader you want to be how many students do you have right now um right now I have a Discord community of about a thousand wow wow so and so if someone wants to be a part of your community like what is what is that inel um so my my very first start is the Discord community so it's it's kind of you getting into the the community you get to see uh the trades that I place you get to see my charts you get to see um it's a great start because it's very it's very uh low barrier to entry it's you know it's only like $49 a month and you get to kind of see all my students what their trading is like um the the losses that we're taking are we taking them together is it um are you taking a good loss or a bad loss uh and you get to see the different styles so you get to see kind of like you get to take a step back and see okay this is what the community looks like as a whole but then I also do something called an accelerator and this is only a few times a year and it's it's live coaching so it'll be 21 days of all right we're actually going through the strategy and they'll have a designated coach so it's one of my previous students that will kind of work one-on-one with these students and be like okay what's your lifestyle like m is day trading going to work for you or can you only trade you know 2 hours after work so maybe you have to do the 5 minute time frame or are you working from home and maybe you can you know have this computer for work and then you got this one right over here where you're able to stay in for like six hours out of the day so figuring out kind of the the person and the trader as a whole but um as far as education goes Discord is a great start because you get to see a big picture all the different Traders all the different you know time frames all the different instruments some Traders are doing crypto day trading which is blowing my mind they're taking my strategy into the crypto markets how are they doing I mean some of them are doing great and some of them are like you know what I can't see it and I'm like that's fair I can't figure it out um and it's been so intimidating to me but um but you get to see like a a big scope all the different markets some some are doing the Forex Market some are doing Futures some are doing stocks um some are doing options too so it's cool to see students apply what I've taught them with just simply just Trends we're we're trying to get in on a trend and when it's no longer turning in that direction we're trying to get in on next Trend so it's just kind of like think of it like following the price we're trying to just follow what it's doing um but it's fascinating to see my students take what I've taught them and apply it to markets that I have no experience with like options I don't know how they do it but they do it or crypto I don't know how they do it but they do it it's fascinating and how how much is it uh is intuition uh there is so much more intuition that I ever that's something that I I I say kind of first and foremost when I'm when I'm teaching people and I think that's maybe why the the space the educational space is so like it's scammy it's because you can't teach intuition you can't sell it and I think if more people understood that it's a matter of if if if I had you just you were an example and you're like okay I want to get into Futures Trading I would have you just commit to one instrument like we're going to use corn for example I don't know why I keep coming to Corn but if you just watched what corn does for a year you just you kind of you saw every single day the price movement um when when it looks like it's changing directions does it normally do like a little fake out it'll kind of snap in One Direction and then continue so if you were to just watch one instrument for a year the you would be so much farther ahead than these people that are looking at hundreds of different charts and they're just trying to copy and paste a strategy on each one where you would have the edge because you just you're almost like in sync you know corn yes yes you know corn so I think that plays so much of a role and I I talk about developing relationships with the in struments and I think the the route that my uncle took in trading um luckily it was my very my only experience and my first experience but it has such this like it's a little bit goofy but it feels like he took like a hippie approach to trading like very um oh what's the word I'm looking for um holistic very holistic when it comes to traing like developing relationships handling psychology not taking losses too personally understanding that you're going to take the losses like it just felt very like hippie like and I think that's the the that I take is just I emphasize how important it is to develop relationships with the instruments that you're trading and so uh for for your trainings um you you have the Discord program uh do you have like Steps up to where people can get more access and those type of things yeah so I do Discord is the very first level then the next one is just a pre-recorded course so that's me it's like four hours and I'm kind of going through same thing my uncle did we're looking at charts what direction is just going in now we're throwing lines on the charts and now what do these lines mean for entries and exits how do mitigate our risk with these lines so it's 4 hours of just essentially your your generic overview of the lines and then the tier after that is the accelerator program which is the live coaching and then we get to apply that to like realtime Market data so now it's it's so much more tangible when I go over a chart with you on what happened this week is so different than looking at a pre-recorded course cuz that's I mean it's a year old and it's it's so much harder to see it you know applied to just a basic chart whereas we get to go through it every day you're like oh this is what price did today this is where we would have put the lines today this is what we did yesterday this is what we're thinking tomorrow so being able to do it in real time is is the kicker that's the highest and so the accelerator course uh how much training is that what does that look like um it's 21 days okay so you you just got to commit like you would to class you got to show up to the zoom class for 21 days and you're teaching that every day yep so live and I'm I sit down and we will first week is psychology I I tried to condense what my uncle taught me we spend a lot more time talking about psychology but I try to condense it as much as I can so we spend the first week psychology I'm trying to get everyone's expectations right the the understanding of taking losses and considering um fees and paying your way out of trouble and understanding that we were trying to remove resentment towards the market and um looking at the price as like I've been using analogies like uh Game of Thrones and I'll call the price you know John snow or something and it's like he's marching North and if he decides to change his mind we've got no control over that and so it's it's heavy on psychology the first week then the second week is strategy drawing the lines and then the third week which I think is the most incredible is applying that to the markets real time every day and I go through as many different instruments I go through Forex I go I even went through Bitcoin um I go through uh the Futures market and the stock market so as many different markets as I can and as many different instruments within the market and we try to see how was the strategy applied every day for that last week when you say buy your way out of it what what do you mean buy your way out of trouble so it's essentially like um let's say one of my best analogies is like if you get into an Uber um or like a taxi and he starts going the wrong way like at what point are you going to just tell him he needs to turn around or are you going to just let him continue in the wrong direction regardless that meter is still running so the sooner that you can say you know what I I need to turn around or you're going the wrong way the smaller that fee or the smaller that meter is racking up or another analogy I think I used was um when I went to Tijana and you know you got to pay your way out of trouble you could either just tip off the guy that pulled you over or you I mean the downside of that is probably going somewhere you don't want to go right have you been to TJ yeah many times what were you doing to TJ um I got a a Sentry card or was it the global it was a centry card yeah Cy and so you can pass the Border like a lot quicker and there was this water park in Tijana that there's no way yes there's no way that would be legal here in the US because so many people hit the freaking water so hard but that thing was the coolest I spent my entire Summers I lived in Diego for a while and I spent a lot of summers at that water park oh nice yeah I've seen the videos of it and oh they're I'm a little concerned of getting hurt you know I'm a little older now so you know those those Falls uh don't seem too good is it is it awesome oh it's it's a blast it's a thrill I've only done it like maybe three or four times and it doesn't get easier it's actually just as scary when you make it to the top it doesn't change every time what's it like flying um it happens so quick and uh the when you're in the air all you're thinking of is don't belly flop don't belly flop make sure you're like penciled in um so that's that's all you can think of when you're in the air wow yeah that thing I've seen the videos and I I actually forgot about it oh yeah D is the coolest I don't I'm sure it's still it's still around yeah no I think it is actually I was looking probably a year or so ago I was watching like gosh I got to go do that sometime oh dude it was a blast that water park is so fun yeah a little intimidated but looks fun what part of uh San Diego did you live in um I was in PB it was the Party Town yeah but I was anti I was the opposite I didn't go out but I was in the party town I see yeah I lived in uh do you know Coronado k um I know where cornado is cornado Island are we thinking yeah it's part of that part of that so yeah it's got It's a little it's a neighborhood that has a bunch of uh you have like a boat in your back say the backyard but the little U little area so you can take it out and stuff like that okay okay uh we were there for about a year and a half and I loved it okay then I can imagine as far as like fishing goes in San Diego were you heavy into fishing did you do any free div surfing no it was just we were you know cuz our hospital is in TJ so we were it's very close to the Border gotcha got and so uh it's got when when Co happened uh there was talks of closing the border and there was a lot of you know we didn't know it was going to happen so um we decided to go to San Diego instead of I I've got a condo in TJ okay um so cool and so we're there for a year and a half but then things settled and I didn't like having a cross every day cuz you know the weight can be awful God it could be like what four hours sometimes more than that oh yeah I've sat in a few of those yeah so um um yeah I was like okay I'll just stay here in in in TJ but uh no I love the area so you most people have never been to TJ what what else have you done there I was going to ask you like there is such a when I told my family I was going to TJ they think the whole cartel I they thought I was dead I was going to be dead as soon as I crossed the border I'm like you guys obviously you've never been right like I've gone to Caesar's Palace out there I've gone I I'll go sometimes to TJ just to get tacos like I think they don't understand it's not as not as crazy it's not have have you ever been to Porta noo where the lobster is no I don't think so oh my gosh yeah so it's about 45 minutes south of of the border so it's little it's not TJ it's technically uh uh it's p noo but um yeah they have a lobster Village there's probably like I don't know 30 40 Lobster restaurants you what maybe I have maybe I have I think I have actually I I did a trip to um I've gone to down to Rosarito I've gone down to um did I say that right or is it Rosarita Ros okay um I've gone down to San Cen pretty far I mean I've done a lot of road trips down Baja California but I think I have stopped at some I feel like it was it was a big deal we all went and we had to have like different types of lobster and it was all over the table I feel like I remember there's a lot of drinking involved too but I think I might have been there that place is is awesome I try to I try to go every month you know I'm like I got to have a port noo night every month but um you know a lot of people are are afraid of it and TJ it's just like any City it's got good parts and bad parts and uh you we've been there for uh almost nine years August 15th it'll be nine years so wow so neat okay yeah it's not as not as bad as they as they like to say oh my gosh no not at all so what what made you pick Nashville um I didn't get to pick Nashville actually so my family picked Nashville oh and this has been something I've been struggling with because I've been kind of hopping all over the place I tried San Diego for a while tried La for a while um Jacksonville um I even tried Miami for a while and I'm like what do I want to do but it it always comes back to family like I want to see my nieces I want to see my sisters and my mom and they're out here now they picked Nashville so she my mom moved out here I don't know exactly I think it was almost 13 years ago maybe a little bit more than that yeah um and my sisters grew up here so I grew up in Jacksonville or at least I feel like my my upbringing was in Jacksonville but um they got to grow up here so I didn't I didn't get to pick it but if I want to pick family it's Nashville there you go so your your sister that started with you is she still trading oh absolutely not no no uh-uh and I was just talking about this the other day it's funny we we took totally different routes and there was even a time where I could have taken a different route too I I didn't take it even after that year of my uncle teaching me I still wanted to make it as a professional athlete and I still took cycling more seriously and trading didn't seem as much of a a priority and um my sister wanted to make it as a singer and um she she ended up pursuing that wholeheartedly and um yeah trading fell off like after that year she she tried she tried to continue the Sim trading um but I think when it came to having to actually set up a live account account and put money in there she was like H I can't do this yeah what what does your sister do now um she's a singer she's living in Hawaii she um she made it on the voice and she is actually trying this new genre and I'm totally into it it's um a combination of Reggae and Country so I'm like oh all day called um I think she's called it Craig that's funny yeah she she actually trademarked this term chiha and it's the funniest thing um there's this saying in Hawaii I think it's uh what is it chi chi who and Yeehaw she's combining the ter she's living it up in Hawaii she's loving it what part of Hawaii is she living in um she was on the big island for a while in aahu and now she just moved back to the Big Island oh nice y we've got some friends out there my God that are that are Surfers that have come down for selves and those type of things oh I see I see okay okay uh yeah I've got got a good group actually my business partner had a store in Hawaii as well uh we were both from like the fight world uh and so Scotty owned something called otm fight shops and um he had I don't know I don't know how many shops probably 12 15 shops uh around the world and Hawaii was one of the the places so now when we say fight is it like UFC is it boxing yeah mixed martial arts oh okay okay yeah so my gym was called Nashville MMA I started when I was 20 and it was at one point the largest mixed martial art sh in the country really that's fascinating okay it was cool that was like my whole life and then I sold everything in 2011 and 2012 we had a clothing line as well it's called gamess we were the largest supplier of Brazilian jiujitsu martial arts uniforms in the world W okay so sold those and then you know kind of went a different direction okay but um yeah mixed martial arts we we actually uh we just partnered with the UFC with the official stem cell uh provider of the UFC so oh my gosh whoa that is of course you would find some combination to fit that in that the coolest thing ever and I'm trying to do the same figuring out how I can combine these things that I'm really good at so that I can have those different brains and make it all operate the same time that's so fascinating no it was cool it kind of went full circle you know it's like uh you know we'd been out of the sport I'd have been out for gosh 24 uh yeah 12 years okay and so finally coming back and partnering with the UFC we still got a bunch of friends that are Fighters and stuff so we were watching but I definitely wasn't very involved at all okay and uh but now yeah we're flying um tonight or actually when the show's done um we'll be flying to Vegas for the UFC oh my God so neat yeah so cool okay go a lot um what else are what else are you passionate about um I'm still passionate about cycling even though I did the same thing I took a break like you I I still watch it and I love it I haven't been on my bike in like a year um I think I got to figure out how to make it work here in Nashville um it's not as cycling friendly as LA or San Diego so I got to I want to feel safe um and I'm getting older too and I just it it seems less appealing to get on the road with other cars and put myself at risk where you know before I was a bike messenger in La I was like let's risk it for the biscuit you know what I'm saying why not but I'm I got to find my my way um in the cycling World out here but I'm I'm passionate about cycling um special needs and I would say hot yoga are like these three other tiers that I'm into oh nice so you're doing hot yoga in Nashville where you doing it at um Nashville yoga Co has been one of my favorites it's I found some that are like I want to be questioning my life after each class so like I don't want it to be too easy and I want it to be like incredibly hot you want to question your life every time every time yep without a doubt that's cool yeah my my girlfriend uh does it here in East Nashville but okay um yeah she's mentioned that some places are a lot hotter yes than others oh yeah and it's funny because it's just they're all labeled hot yoga but then you can go into an easy hot yoga or a you might pass out hot yoga right yeah I did it a couple times I thought was awesome oh my God yeah I mean the the uh actually they told me this and you know like I said I come from a fighting background and I don't care what people think I really don't I've had the tough trainings I've been through hell Etc and uh it was I've been like three classes and one of the classes uh you know I was I was sore and they said you could just lay there yeah and I just laid there the whole class oh my God yes sometimes you have no choice it was it was pretty awesome so uh I wanted to kind of get back into it but um or you know do more classes I wasn't really into it but do more classes but I make excuses on oh I'm too busy or this or that yeah find those excuses in life so in Nashville you're possibly looking at you know buying some real estate uh what are some of their goals here um I would say um it's more of just like I wna I want to leave some sort of print on Nashville yeah and I don't know what that looks like yet but I I can only see okay what could I do for someone in my position to to make things a little bit better the fact that I am doing a local podcast right now is the coolest thing ever like we got to have more maybe I'm not making connections or maybe I need to find a way to make it easier for people in Nashville to make connections like this but I I'm very antisocial and so I'm I'm not like the person that's out all the time so I'm trying to figure out how can I make my my print on Nashville or or make something a little bit better or easier and I want Nashville to be like not necessarily the next LA or the next Miami but I want it to be like I just got such a cool vision for Nashville and um I don't know what it looks like but I I know I got I got at least a path I don't know how narrow we're going to get but I all I can think of is like okay what what can I do for myself that would make it a little bit easier for people in my position and so that's kind of the the idea but I I don't quite know yet it's still we're still figuring it out what do you like to do for for fun around here um hang out with family family yeah family family not Broadway oh my God that ain't me that ain't me I don't have much experience on Broadway at all I think my my sisters tried to take me maybe like two times and I was like okay this is cool I mean I guess you got to it's like a initiation you got to try Broadway at least a few times to me it it used to be much more fun before all the people okay came I mean Broadway when I was growing up uh in high school and stuff was nothing it was like some I think some sex shops and it was like you know it was it was like trashy you I guess now it's a little trashy in different ways but different it was uh you know it was certain type of trash per se and Second Avenue was the big street and second AV is where the bomb went off so it's not really being uh you can't really use Second Avenue much Second Avenue anymore you heard about the bomb a couple years ago no yeah so uh on Christmas Eve of 2021 I believe it was maybe 2020 oh I did hear there was a bomb that went off and you can you can ride down there and they're still on the right side going north um I mean just giant chunks not just a little bit of a chunk but giant chunks of building taken out they haven't still they haven't with it I remember hearing about that and I I don't know why that seemed so long ago but it wasn't that long ago at all no it wasn't wow yeah it shook the city and you know what's wild about that is across the street from the the historic buildings that were taken out uh is the AT&T building but it houses from my understanding the CIA the FBI Communications and and so whoever did that tried to take out the communications and that's a bombproof building so it bounced off the building and took out the other side of the block whoa this makes so much sense I didn't I must not have done enough research or any research at all but whoa it just blew my mind well it wasn't even you know and a lot of people forget about it because it it was a big story for like a day yeah what happened it just it went away it just went away weird and so um yeah but it's still taken out I was actually talking to the mayor about it and um he was saying that the reason they haven't rebuilt it is because of the insurance there's so many fights with insurance companies not want to do certain things and uh and all of that and um I I I feel bad for the people that live there thankfully nobody died um and you've got to go see it I mean you really have to see it because it's it's you can't really explain it with words how much damage and destruction uh and you just got to take it take it in but um yeah they they haven't they haven't fixed it yet insane so um but so Second Avenue though U used to be where we would all hang out okay and Broadway wasn't a thing and then kind of the evolution of the city um the entertainment part of the city of the last 25 years so 25 years ago country music wasn't you know in uh let's say a I say younger demographic I'm not young anymore but in the younger demographic wasn't like it wasn't cool uh for the most part and uh a place called tin roof on mban uh started um like having live music that was geared more towards younger people you know 21 to 35 years old that wanted to go to the bars and in many ways uh a lot sparked from that I mean you still had tootsies and stuff on Broadway but you know then Dan mcginness opened on the corner uh that was actually my restaurant I had that for 15 years with a few partners and so there was Tin Roof Dan mcginness that's right where the roundabout is and then things in between uh you know started opening up and so as the music started you know being cool like being marketed to a younger group uh more and more people started going to Broadway and Broadway started uh Steve Smith and and and that crew kind of started to uh really I want say Market to it but more people were going to them and they've got awesome bars on Broadway I me I love Tootsie still it's gotten big but I mean uh and so we used to go you know we'd go into the front of tootsies uh and then go off the back and then go in the back of the stage and go out the front and you just you know have this path that you would take yeah um and so for a number of years it was so much fun because there wasn't a million people yes you know now you know I got to wait in line to get in tootsies unless BT is is letting me in you I I don't know all the bouncers and all that stuff but back in the day I could just literally walk in everywhere you know have a good time walk out and it was it was a lot lot of fun I mean that's what you think the difference is just simply the volume of people or do you think it's also the different types of you know bars or the well that's all happened as well but the volume of people you know the bars that I used to like to go to um you know not that I don't like to go I I you know I'm a redneck at heart so like I still like to go into tootsies and you know I don't really drink Bud Light anymore but I I drink a COR light or whatever and uh you know uh just have a have good time down there but yeah I I I prefer to go on off days where it's like not a lot of people you know uh oh yeah but yeah no I mean I I'll I'll never uh I'll never stop actually loving that so you know Broadway is not as fun anymore and it's a lot to deal with but it's still every now and then oh you know grew up here so it's still fun to me yeah so um the plans in Nashville you're not exactly uh or or rather you know kind of bringing the city together in a way um are do you have any plans with uh doing trading education in the city oh that would be so cool oh that'd be so cool something in person would be insane I I have one student that's local and we're meeting up at a coffee shop and I'm like all right let's do it nice any opportunity I can have in person is just it's so different it's like it's tangible it actually I think the fact that my uncle was you know right next to me like I can almost attribute My Success to that because it's just it's a real life person things are just so different when it's virtual like you just the the ability to to fully believe something when it's in the internet or on the Internet versus someone that's right here next to you it's just different you're able to commit you're able to believe um you can see the vision a little bit better I think just in person is so much better um so yeah I think I I want to try like a my very first in-person event and if that's you know if I had to fly people into Nashville I'll do that but trying to get people in Nashville into the space like that'd be so cool to have you know Nashville Nashville be like one of the the finance hubs of like most of the crypto Traders or most of the like well kind of is for crypto yeah I mean because Bitcoin Magazine's out of Nashville okay and I heard they're doing the conference here next month yes yes I'm going to that for sure yeah that would be a good place to to meet a lot of people um but yeah it's actually got a really cool Community um locally it must be so different crypto must be a just completely different world like the fact that I I'm I'm very heavy into the the finance interest industry but it's like crypto and Futures are just they don't know each other yeah you got to check it out because I mean you know crypto is interesting because you have the the Bitcoin people that the Bitcoin Maxis that think it's only Bitcoin and everything else they call shitcoins ah okay I've heard that you know and uh I mean I don't necessarily I mean I I'm a huge Bitcoin fan I I believe it can change the world but I also think that there's some utility to some of these other tokens as well so I still like my my ethereum yes that I think that was actually the one that seems a little bit less intimidating for me to get into yeah like if I start I feel like I mean what are your thoughts on that just I love ethereum yeah I buy every week bought every week for a long time and that's that's the game plan so I'm not going to try to to do um get into crypto and try to trade it like I do now like I I just it's too intimidating to think of day trading crypto or even maybe swing trading crypto like my my idea is to to try to use my my trend lines for at least a good but then just continue to stack stack stack stack yeah that makes sense I mean like I said I I celebrate when crypto goes down when Bitcoin goes down like yes oh I'm looking for actually I'm looking at this setup on ethereum right now that is just too perfect if you look at the chart I think we've got like three or four touch points on a downward trend line and we're still heading down once we get that break I'm I'm thinking this is it we're we're doing it finally it's going to fly yeah I mean cuz you the thing about crypto um are you familiar with the having event and the the kind of the four-year cycle uhuh okay so um you know every four years in Bitcoin you have What's called the having event okay to where you know the the amount of Bitcoin that you can mine is cut in half yeah so it naturally drives you know the price up because the cost to mind the same amount of uh Bitcoin doubles oh yeah um and so you can pretty much time it uh I look at in a fouryear cycle so um you know generally about you know four to five months after the having event uh Bitcoin starts to do his run okay and um it's really once you see it you you you'll you'll understand it way better than me too if you're in the charts but um it's that's why I say it's very consistent yeah so then you have a crypto winter um and like so for instance this uh this drop I was expecting it to drop the last two times it had dropped 80% from all-time high okay so I was expecting or hoping that Bitcoin would get down to like 11,000 and uh I didn't I mean I was still placing my weekly buys okay um and uh but I didn't do a uh I didn't do a big buy at 15 which is as low as it got basically but um and it didn't drop as much but if you look at inflation uh that had something to do with it because I think the inflation uh kind of uh caused it to not drop as much as I see okay I was hoping but um you know the the last the last three times it has dropped about 80% okay and um you know so you have that crypto winter and then you have a buildup um generally before the having now this time uh you had the ETFs happen so you have now black rock and all of the different uh Bitcoin ETFs that were uh made legal in January so you hit all-time high before the having event so we're kind of in a new world right now we don't know what that what that means but um I would expect coin by the end of the year uh to be at least 100,000 um at least 100,000 but it wouldn't shock me I'm I think Bitcoin is gonna be a million plus in the next 10 years so so cool yeah I'm a huge huge huge fan and uh a lot of people are afraid of and call it volatile I'm like I know that is that is why I have I've been doing I've been trading for nine years and still haven't gotten into it yet like are you kidding me it's because everyone has put that label on it I'm like no God if I could have just not listened to everyone else oh yeah I mean think about if if you would have bought nine years ago oh yeah so that would be 2015 yeah you could have got in for maybe $500 a coin oh my God W and so I mean you know and then the same thing happened it popped to 19,800 or so and then had this big drop and it got down about 3,000 and then had another big run up to um 695 and then it dropped to 15 and now you have another run up to where it's at it got up to 73 broke all-time high before the having EV which is crazy and uh but yeah I mean I think it's just GNA it's going to rock and that gets me so excited of course of all years I'm like okay this is this is the one finally the year yeah well you got to be able to you know sell at the you know when you think it's it's hit its peak before the cycle starts again if you believe in that cycle which I really want you to look at the charts like I said you'll understand it way better better than me um that's what you do but like it's it's so simple I can understand it oh yeah dude that's that is my that is my theme here when it comes to trading that it is so much more simple than people think it is yeah and I'm so I'm curious so you're saying that uh it's looking like eth is getting ready to have a nice pop uhhuh yep and that'll be my that'll be my first entry oh good um so I'm just waiting on it we're we're still pulling down we're still coming down lower but um I I've been able to simply just by looking at the chart and draw my little llc's on it my lines um I've been able to see this this downward trend line and I think we've got like maybe four touch points where it's it's hit this line fell off hit this line fell off hit this line and right now we're in the fallof but as soon as we break that line I'm like okay that's what gives me my my confirmation or my confidence to be like okay we're doing this and I even have found areas to where it looks kind of like this fan of downward trend lines so these are just even more opportunities to just stack stack stack to just continue to get in so I'm actually excited that we've got this this pullback because I do better when when we get the change finally when we get like the first sign of ramping up so I I never will see if I can catch the bottom because that's that's not my strategy and I I don't know some people will try to find like these uh these similar lows that it's hit at and try to get it that same low but um I'm just trying to find the first sign of the break of the trend that's awesome yeah I mean that what's crazy about Bitcoin like the last run and ethereum's in many ways just like it you know ethereum goes up when Bitcoin goes up it's a little a little behind it but um you know I believe it was eight 25% drops to the last alltime High yeah so it had like you know it was like a I think it was I think it was eight of them don't quote me on that but oh oh eight 25% drop yeah so it Dro and like oh it's over and then it pops back up and so that's volatile I understand that but if you look at it big picture you know long term so yeah I think you'll see if you get into crypto like you got to have Diamond hands yeah yeah you got totally I get that and I think that's the that's what's kind of maybe giv me like my Edge is just knowing that there is EB and flow and giving it enough wiggle room is what my uncle calls it like absolutely I am fully aware like there's there's going to be some snapping in either direction so that type of volatility yeah that part I get absolutely it would be interesting to see how how you uh how you like it I know I'm Crack the Code I mean I I'm not a Trader like that by any means I'm not a Trader at all um but you know if I if I was reincarnated or something maybe I would come back as a crypto Trader because I think it be really exciting oh my God yeah if you can get in get into it now I mean just think if Bitcoin uh is digital gold uh that would put about a 12 trillion doll uh uh Market yeah you know and so that'd be about 650,000 per Bitcoin and um so it has a if if it is that it has a long way to go yeah true but I'm I I can just I can see the vision I mean I actually trade gold and um it's just and I remember when we got this weird Eerie feeling that everyone was like okay the crash is coming the recession is coming and I mean I was prepared I'm like okay I mean I'm I'm simply just looking at charts ready for it to happen it never happened still hasn't happened and I'm like what is going on I still get this weird has happened with gold this well even just the the indexes the S&P um everyone's still talking about this crash going to happen oh I see yeah and um so everyone was actually buying gold and I was just trading gold um it still has created you know even higher highs it's still breaking all-time highs and I'm just like if I could see Bitcoin in the same sense that I see gold yeah it's there then then you get it uh what why don't you think the market has crashed yet cuz you're right I thought it was going to crash a long time ago as well I know oh it's and it's to be honest it's Eerie at this point because we've been like it's been shoved down our throats that it's happen and like the news and you know everyone not believing that it can still go even higher even though interest rates are just insane and like nothing's adding up and it's it's it's just a I can't explain it any other way that it's just like an it's an eerie feeling to continue to see like the the indices create higher highs and higher highs and um it's giving me a a bias for sure like I can't get myself to to place any buy orders in any of the indexes I can't do it it's so hard because everyone's just saying there's going to be this crash and it's like when you see you're like there's no possible way you could go higher and then it does and it still does yes almost at 40 what do you think about AI in trading are you using any of those tools um I oh this is a great question I um I thought it was going to be incredible I thought it was going to be incredible I'm like oh my gosh there's there's going to be this Edge you could almost uh automate trading with AI and but I feel like there is still something that and this goes back to the intuition we were talking about and there's and I think this is why it's probably got a long way to go a much longer way than we think to go um understanding like gut feelings and knowing when even though like let's say a computer can see a setup and they're going to take the setup but a human can see a setup everything looks A+ but not take it they could pass up on it yeah or they could see a setup and go in than they're used to where uh you know the the AI or the computer or the you know the the system will just continue to do the same thing a plus b equal C every time every time every time whereas the human aspect to it there's so much more of an edge like being able to go heavier in certain setups being able to pass up on setups um maybe even take you know not a A+ setup maybe a B+ setup so there's just I think the human aspect of it still has that Edge versus the the AI version but I think there's there's potential I just think we're a lot farther than we think really so so are there any reasonably good programs right now that uh are AI training programs um not that I know of as far as just simply like a an automated like an indicator that would throw on like entries um there is this I I don't have much experience but I'm seeing other traders in the space that are um kind of at my level that are doing these things called Bots and um it's similar M it's kind of same situation and they're they're showing returns I'm I'm skeptical so I'm not sure but um I would like to do a little bit more research on it maybe just try it myself um and see yeah I mean because you know with AI it's only as good as the information that's put into it so like in healthcare for instance uh you know people think AI is going to completely transform Healthcare in certain ways it can help but uh you're limited to the the amount of correct information put in the system and so for instance doctors when they write their medical records they're not all speaking the same language oh and so uh you know when you enter those data points into the AI it doesn't know what to do with it because it's so it'll spit out the wrong information yeah so AI is really just it's only as good as the accuracy of the information that's put in it but I thought you know for a while I'm like wow with trading if you can put accurate information to train the system in how to think I mean you could train it to trade just like you mechanically right and it'll do that on a consistent basis so I'm surprised nobody's actually taking that and I know and I think I think it's the same the same concept though so when you say that like um you know we'll say three different doctors put in their um diagnosis or their uh yeah diagnosis yeah yeah but um and it's it's similar but you know somehow all three of them came up with a different diagnosis and I think that's kind of the same thing with with trading you could look at three different setups and one Trader might think a buy one might think a sell how is that but it's just it's the trader it's the information that they're given um so I think it's the same exact concept to be honest yeah I mean but you could train it on how you think okay fair you and that would those you know for it and so um yeah I mean I would I would love to have ai trade for me that'd be great I oh absolutely yeah are you kidding me I mean the the amount it it would take a lot of stress off the table right so much um what are some of the gains that you've seen some of your your students get um oh man I think I'm excited to see when my students start passing me up um I'm I'm already seeing them I I'm not sure percentage wise but I'm seeing and I try to promote that I try to promote you know taking the dollar amounts off because it it makes it tricky for everyone to see okay but I've only got this much in my account and I see this guy making five grand but um there's a lot of post of like it's it's a lot of dollar amounts but it's it's fascinating to see the the ones that are doing the best it's the the cool is to see students that come to me that don't know anything prior and to see them make the transition from SIM to live and then to see them actually making money is just the coolest thing ever and it's the ones that committed the most amount of time to the Sim trading MH and the ones that decided to um keep their watch list small so one of my best students right now he's on he's on Discord and he decided to commit to platinum and he also decided to commit to the 4-Hour time frame as well which is what I'm doing now and he spent months Sim trading like he just wasn't ready yet he's like nope I want to truly develop this relationship with Platinum sure and what is platinum sorry Platinum so that's what it's like gold silver oil plaum Platinum yeah yeah um that's actually what I've been trading this year and I've been it is it has blown my mind Platinum is like whoa what it's just so cool you would think um You' think gold would be this this crazy thing to get into to trade um there's it's just I don't know how I found my way to platinum I really don't um there's copper copper has some good price action um silver and gold they they move similarly and then Platinum will do the complete opposite of what are those two are doing and um but the way that Platinum moves as far as like respecting Trends and like clean price action it truly is and it's the coolest thing ever crude oil has been a tricky one for me so those have been the two that I've been trading for the past a long time I'd say crude oil probably more than five years of experience um but it's it's so fascinating to when you really do develop a relationship with an instrument it just it's the coolest thing ever you I you feel passionate about it like I love crude oil and I love platinum and it's cool to see like how crude oil will be non-reactive to like fed days or like your your normal news that comes out but obviously when world events happen crude oil is is crazy but these are some things that like it's not a planned news day sure like you know Ukraine stuff oil was insane or even just the most recent current events that happened in I believe it was Iran like it's just oil will make insane moves yeah and then Platinum also very non-reactive to news but very clean price action and it just feels like you can you can find your Edge in Platinum and then sometimes when when Platinum doesn't you know when it's not as respectful um I'm like I'll take it all day go ahead do what you need to do because I know you know once you're done consolidating or doing whatever you're doing faking out like we're going to get that clean price action very soon so with uh with crude oil um during the pandemic it dropped oh my God it went to almost zero right it went to negative I think 20 or 40 so if if I would have purchased say 100 Grand at negative would I like is is that how that would have worked I truly tried and I don't know how how the brokerages made it work my broker said uh-uh it didn't let me I hit the sell button I was like let's go my setup was there I remember I was watching it on my phone as it was happening and I'm like I this bye bye bye bye bye I had this immense sense of panic well I thought like I mean yes the setup was there um and I I thought like the apocalypse was going to happen I'm like this has never this can't be good there is no this has got to be awful and the fact that like it ended up not being that crazy and like that's just something we're talking about oh yeah crude oil fell to 4 how does that even happen I don't know but my my brokerage didn't let me uh take any positions so I'd be fasc I heard some stories on like these dudes that made Millions upon I'm s hundreds of millions like these group of like five dudes that were just like somehow able to capitalize on it but I'm not sure how brokerages were able to make that happen yeah I remember uh seeing it dropping and you know I don't I don't have any stocks or anything like that so I was just like boy if I could just buy oil right now you're like right yeah um I was kind of wondering what happened with that so they wouldn't let you buy in the middle of that uh when when did they open the market back up for that um I how long did I I think by that point I I didn't see when I could get into another position until like probably a week from from that from that day I I got that like analysis paralysis I like okay well since I couldn't get in then that was such an insane move I have no idea I got no idea what could happen so yeah yeah so I didn't even attempt to get in but I believe I started trading it again like maybe a week or two after yeah so you were trading through the pandemic yeah what was that what was that like it was um it was very fun it was fun I I ended up finding my my favorite stock which was Tesla I had so much fun with Tesla nice um Tesla and Roku were were a lot of fun during the pandemic um Platinum I remember I traded it and I did not have a love for it I had a distaste for it actually it was just not it was it wasn't working for me um crude oil was a blast a lot of a lot of movement a lot of volatility in the best way and um so yeah that was it was dude the pandemic was that's where a lot of people got into trading actually so many people it makes sense I think the only downside is it was so easy to trade during the pandemic that when market conditions changed everyone was like losing everything they've made they're like what happened and it's just market conditions got real tricky yeah a lot of stuff happened during the the pandemic that I didn't expect you know with um with the economy I mean it's like to me it was obvious if you print $6 trillion dollar you're going to cause inflation yeah you know and the fact that the whole system didn't just collapse the stock market I know I know you know right now with as bad as the economy is well why are the why is the stock market you know 39,000 I know um I'm in the same I'm I'm so there's just such a an eerie feeling it's just some things it's it's confusing something doesn't make sense no it's not right I wonder if somehow the AI is propping everything up we don't know it you know what I wouldn't even doubt it for a second go down a conspiracy rabbit hole we could we could um yeah waiting for the anunaki to come out of the ocean now all right um no it's it's it's it's been wild because I mean even if you would have bought what four years ago um it's it's still bounced back in some of the worst Economic Times that we've had I know I mean Main Street fills it uh we you know everybody on the street fills the the the pain but you know those that are doing well are really you know seem to be doing pretty well so it's kind of it's kind of sadden that way you know inflation is a tax on the poor and you know I grew up with not a lot of money and so you know if prices went up 20% 25% for my family when I was growing up it would have crushed them yeah you know so yeah some something doesn't make sense but that's for another podcast fair fair uh well T it's great talking to you anything you want to say in in closing um the fact that I am doing this local I want to reiterate again is the coolest thing ever and I want to do more of these and I think making connections with other people in you know the space the podcast space the finance space um the entrepreneurial space is absolutely what I want to do so finding more Nashville natives out here to connect with is a goal of mine and this is we've already checked the first one off awesome well I introduce to some of my friends as well here in the city awesome I appreciate glad you're here thank you Tory thanks for having me