our family is threaded together tight with stitches from wounds me and jelly have been best friends 20 years he slept on my couch he went to jail I went to jail and we were there for each other so watching him explode and reach the heights that he's reaching has just been so surreal and so amazing my three youngest their mother passed away from a f all overdose my kid's grandmother died from a fent all overdose my kid's stepfather died from a fentol overdose all five of our seven kidss have lost their other parent wow I went back to the streets kind of gave up you know when I should have kept pushing caught an indictment conspiracy of 200 kilos the friends that I've lost the years that I lost the family members that I've lost for them to not die in vain something great has to come from all of this right yeah and instead now it gets to be a story of Triumph and Redemption that helps people struggle Jennings welcome to the podcast yeah man thanks for having me man I'm I'm extremely excited you're here actually uh you know I've known of you for many years likewise and uh you know but we haven't really got to hang out and and chat so this is a good good first time yeah we got so many mutual friends literally just in the last 24 hours of me saying oh I'm going to see Ed clay I've had so many people like oh man tell them I said hey like um you know we do the boxing with Fred duay okay yeah and Austin um we've got all the kids in this program there you know giving them some after school activities and something to focus on and awes keep their attention on learn some um respect and some skills and honor right that's right and uh yeah so he runs that program there and great friend incredible they just got hit by the tornado but we've been able to maneuver and get into a different building while they're rebuilding and just to keep the kids active got to keep going are they but he told me to tell you hi as well all right all man tell them I said what's up and do they need donations or anything are they I you know he's fre is one of those guys of course they need donations but he is so do it on his own and stubborn he didn't ask anybody for anything I gotta you know um I know that they were releasing the building so of course the insurance will cover a lot of it gotcha but you know as far as like a new ring and stuff we're definitely going to try to pull some stuff together to help him out cool man let me know let me know for sure yeah I love all the the old fight crew it's a it's a small community kind like the music Community for sure is a small community everybody knows everybody and uh yeah it's it was a long time ago but I miss those guys yeah yeah that's cool so uh you know you grew up in Nashville we were talking a little bit you know before the podcast and uh um you talk a little bit about growing up here uh and kind of the differences between growing up in Nashville and kind of where we're at now in Nashville yeah well we were saying it earlier you know I miss so much of Nashville how it was but I love the growth and I love to see it expand as long as you know it doesn't completely strip The Nostalgia and the the certain areas you know Nashville has always been like one of those good old boy towns yeah you know um and I didn't get to see it firsthand changing slowly because I went to prison in 2011 yeah came home in 2016 to a completely different city yeah like I remember coming to the half house I was in a f house when I left the feds and looking for places to rent or like what's going on and I'm seeing houses on cahal for 700,000 that house was 25 Grand yeah you know so I came home to it and I didn't really get to watch it change as much so I had to come straight into it and adapt with it yeah you know which is was pretty easy for me because I came home with a new mindset right uh came home with a different focus and uh but I still love revisiting a lot of those gyms like I was telling you I was at window Smith's the other day and you know coming here and seeing this place and yeah you know just finding those little spots that haven't changed those little Corners that are still have the Nostalgia and that Nashville feeling cuz Nashville always had a feeling they did man right I remember back in the day there's so many La musicians and stuff that would come here big artist that they would come here just to get away because you know they didn't get bombarded by Paparazzi or anything it was just everything was chill and then of course you had you know that's on the music side and then you know you had the street sides and and it was just a it was it was a different time in a different era I remember growing up in the Nations and it was like you know you right there backed up to Preston Taylor right so it was like Kentucky Hills and the train track separated the white Hood and the black hood and you know where we grew up it was surrounded by factories and the prisons so it was always like you go work in the factory or you end up in the prison was kind of the mentality but you would ride around the street it was such a Melting Pot you'd have all us out there listening to Tupac with braids in our hair and then drive two streets over and our uncles would be out there listening to Leonard skinnard with mullets throwing por shoes selling weed in the front yard you know and it was just but it was a it was a good blend and mix and just it was was home and home you know what I mean I it really had a feeling that is not completely lost yeah it's not completely lost I you know I went to where did you go to high school in Nashville uh so um my mother moved me back to Franklin okay because I got kicked out of metro public schools in middle school I was getting in trouble she moved me back to Franklin I went to Franklin High bwood high Cento High pretty much getting kicked out of those and then my uncle got custody of me and I moved back to West and N I went to Hillwood I see okay yes so I went to Overton yeah and uh you know one of the things I really appreciate about public schools in Nashville was very diverse you know it wasn't uh you know now it does seem like things are more segregated where everything's about color of this stuff but back then I didn't know about I me everybody was my friend yeah know I we grew up we didn't especially in National we didn't see color you know it was I'm drinking out the water hose with all nationality that's right like it wasn't uh it was never about that they've made it about that and it's you know you know the the purpose separate to control right y lot a lot of separating to control I mean I was actually last night with my girlfriend I was uh I read the comist manifesto probably I don't know it's probably 10 to 15 years ago and so when I see certain things and certain buzzword uh it makes me I'm like that's that's how the Manifest not Manifesto she hears me saying this and we had a discussion I said I'm just gonna start actually reading this and show showing this to you because I forgot it too it'd be good for a yeah good to to yeah refresh but um yeah it does seem like they're trying to divide us and there's a there's a plan I mean hell we've got 8 million people in the since Biden's been in office that have crossed the border I mean that's bigger than some states I mean it's uh it's flooding and um you have to ask yourself why are they doing this and uh I think I think it is part of a plan you see these Buzz wordss that are going on you know in society and uh yeah I just love America man yeah me too I mean this is the land of opportunity you know so many people it was founded on people fleeing from dictatorship and from you know people ruling and um for a search of Freedom an opportunity and the American dream is still so alive and well and they act like it's not they do everything they can to mask it and cover it up and um as much as it seems like it's slipping I think there's enough people that are standing strong on foundation and values and um especially now with so so many opportunities to be an independent artist or to be a small business owner and Thrive of course you know you still have a lot of control from the corporations and there's a lot of things as an independent artist I can't do right um because I'm not signed to a major uh but still a lot of opportunity and this is still the only place in the world that you can come from nothing and become a billionaire that's right you know that's right and I have friends that that fall more on the you know socialism side that they're like yeah but in other countries you don't come nobody comes from nothing everybody is like yeah but they're keep you're in this box yeah you don't have the dream and the hopes and the the drive to say I want to go there yes you know well that's that that is the that's the American dream man and like you know this is the only country where you can you know guys like you and I get get out of those situations that we were in and rise up and and be successful and we have that dream and yeah I don't think there's been a easier time at least in my lifetime to be successful than right now because there's you people are being programmed to think a certain way and not be uh not oh it doesn't take hard work it's just luck or circumstance like no you know you luck man yeah no I tell I tell my my fans and my crowd every night faith and hard work yes you stick to it you're going to come up of in front of a lot of obstacles but that's where the faith comes in you know and you just keep working hard and you keep believing that hey as long as I'm moving forward I'm going to get where I want to go yeah you know it might not it might be 10 times greater than I can even imagine you know but if you keep shooting and you keep shooting you're going to land and and one thing that I I preach heavy is like the only way to lose is if you quit playing yeah absolutely that's the things I love about your story so I don't know if you know but I was I got a rest it when I was 20 I was facing 15 years in prison got eight years since Rutherford County served eight months and got the rest on paper yeah but um you know to come back from that is difficult but um you know that's that's that's what it takes to be successful and you know you did the same thing and uh you know what's that been like you know uh and we can go into you know when all that happened but you know as you're spending 5 years in federal prison right oh I did both I did State and then Federal but it was 5 years total guys you're doing 5 years were you just you know daytoday planning were you just you know uh envisioning what you're going to do when you get out what was what was that like yeah I was I was training right uh Mind Body Soul spiritually uh uh when I got into prison when I got into jail people tell me ask me all the time like what did it feel like when you that door shut behind you I was like I was free you know because in the streets I was riddled with you know people trying to kill me or police trying to bust me or you know worrying about this person or that person losing friends left and right you know getting busted whatever so it was a sense of peace I was like okay I'm here now what am I going to do with it m this isn't the first time I've been here if I don't change something it's not going to be a last through the process of going of going through prison I was watching the mother and my kids get addicted to heroin meth and then heroin I watched my kids go into foster care I'm watching them get drug through trap houses and you know eventually being in the state's custody and I knew that everything that was happening to them was a direct result of my decisions as much as I tried to play the try to justify it by saying I'm doing it for the fam you know I was just trying to feed my people that you know all that um irrational beliefs that were instilled with as children um I knew that they were becoming the victims of my crimes and of my decisions so I hit the ground run and I was like uh looked I immediately saw the two type of people that were in prison there were the guys that were gambling and smoking and doing drugs and eating honey buns and there was guys that were reading going to classes working out in good shape and I said that's what I want to be like so I immediately just hit it you know I took every class I could take I read every book I could read I trained like an animal I lost 120 lbs and I had some plans but I and I see a lot of guys in there they're write out full business plans like they'll have their whole life mapped out for when they get out and I encourag them to still do that you know any of them to see this or anything that there like plant it out to a te just know that when you get out you're going to have a lot of doors shut in your face and you're going to come up on a lot of obstacles but it's still possible yeah you can do it if keep pushing you do it so while I was in there I was just I was mentally preparing and physically preparing and emotionally preparing to come back out get custody in my kids no plan B get this follow my dream of doing music and in the process you know I was losing so much on the outside you know I realized that there's that I had no control of anything outside of those walls the only thing I had control of is how what I did with that situation who I became and how I came out and in the process I'm getting a little bit of that motivation from watching yellow wolf sign who was a good friend of mine sign was shady and start blowing up jelly rolls out there my best friend of 20 years he's out there sleeping in Vans but traveling touring you know making a for himself and so I'm watching them achieve in a dream that we had all dreamed together and that everybody said would never be possible Right some white rappers from Nashville and uh so I'm watching it happen and I'm and in the meantime you know I had the song Outlaw [ __ ] that I recorded in 2008 where I sampled my grandfather and I didn't release it till 2010 because everybody was like oh you can't mix country and rap it's career suicide don't do it don't do it so finally right before I went to prison I released it so I'm watching the success of that I'm watching this whole genre come up off of that song and off of the album that I released uh called I am struggle was all sampled of my grandfather's music and so I'm seeing that there is an opportunity but I know that it's still left up to me it's still left up to the work I'm willing to put in if I'm going to Slit back into my old ways you know if I'm going to allow myself to divert from the path that I know I have to travel how hard was it to not divert it's still hard every day you know there's plenty of times even now where you know the music business doesn't matter how big you are a lot of times you're still living check to check you know and there's a lot of times where you get in those situations like God I had one more run I got have one more run baby I know so much I know how to do it I know why I got busted you know but it's like you can't yeah that was what happened to me I actually uh I was like just one more time and then you know I'm grateful for what happened to me there and getting arrested back in the day but uh me too I I tell people all the time it's best thing that ever happened yeah you know what I find awesome about what you're saying and you know I believe that be successful you have to take personal responsibility for your life 100% and you could have been a victim to those circumstances uh and you could have made all these excuses and said oh it wasn't me the system did me wrong blah blah blah they're not the reason that my kids are having some issues right now but instead you said no this is on me yeah and I got to go out and make it right accountability man makes the man for real you know it's life is so much easier when you really sit back and say everything that happens to me is a direct resp result of the decision I made somebody t-balls me man I could have left five minutes earlier you got I could have stopped to get a cup of coffee and not been at that intersection at that time like everything like you can't be mad at anybody else you got to take it on the chin say you know what how can I make this better how can I not let this happen again and then you don't then you don't deal with anger and resentment cuz you're dealing with yourself you're looking in the mirror like [ __ ] I [ __ ] up you know instead of oh he did it he did it you can't the more that you're blaming people people the less you're going to find a solution yeah cuz you're you're just writing it off as somebody else's fault how how did you uh how did you learn that trial and er Tri uh you know one of the things um one of the Four Agreements I feel like struck a lot of the beginning of that thought interesting um little bitty book but it's so powerful it is you know um and then just learning from there and and looking at things you know like it wasn't the guy that snitched on me he couldn't have snitched on me if I wasn't selling drugs that's right it wasn't the cop that busted me that was his job um you know it wasn't none of it you know it's not the guys jailing me right now it's not you know my baby mama it's not this person it's not the government like regardless I still create and in control of my reality and my world anything that comes at me I have a few options but really two options on how to look at it either how's it going to stop me or how am I going to move past it right yeah nothing else it's interesting you said that because um Don Miguel Ruiz you know wrote The Four Agreements and uh where I really learned what you're talking about was at a place called Choice Center in Las Vegas where he used to teach oh wow so I'm like how do you know to take personal responsibility not become a victim to your circumstances and uh you know to own it and that's where you find your power too yeah because when we're blaming other people for our problems that's giving control away you got it so you know instead of saying no I'm in control of this situation if I [ __ ] up I [ __ ] up yeah if I win I won you know if I lose I chose to lose right instead of just instead of giving somebody else that power I'm not going to I'm not going to give that up cuz I have I have the strength and I have the willingness to work to fix it and change it that's great man that's that's awesome let's go back a little bit I want to get into you know uh you when you got out and the success that you've had since then but you growing up in Nashville you talk about you know living Nations going to a bunch of schools in Williamson County then going to Hillwood um but uh you know what was it like you know going through the the daily Cycles we're talking about the different sides of the train tracks um what was that like maybe how did you get into some of the trouble you got got in and uh you what were some of the lessons that you learned while experiencing that yeah so I I started pretty young you know I had one of those almost Picture Perfect childhoods in the early days grandfather's Wayan Jennings my mother is his stepdaughter but he raised her right um I get so mad when these people say and PR his step Grandpa like that was POA come on you know what I mean like whatever you can say that was Popa that that man raised me yeah um but my dad was killed when I was 10 um so the first 10 years of my life you know we lived in Franklin with my mom because my mom and dad split up when I was young and I would go to West Nashville on the weekends and see my dad um my mom toured a lot because she was singing back up for my grandfather so I didn't you know I had a lot of freedom as a kid and you know rid my bike around my neighborhood and and my dad hung the moon like I thought he was the coolest toughest guy in the world you know he rode around in old school cars with a trucker hat Old West Nashville boy you know called him fat Pete you know he's like the king out there and uh so first 10 years was seemed pretty smooth and most that I can you know Rec and then he got murdered when I was 10 which back then they told me was suicide M and he had called me that day and I was outside playing football and I told my mom told Mom call him back I'm outside playing football so I come in the house that night um I hear my mom back in the room crying I was sitting down watching Roseanne and uh all of a sudden cars start pulling in the driveway and way comes in they all sit me down they're like your dad's no longer with us so so my mom kind of I'm not going to say tail spins cuz you know she held her stuff together but she was my mom was 16 when she had me so she was a baby raising a baby she was just kind of figuring it out herself uh amazing woman and you know um but she uh she was learning same way I was we kind of raised each other right doing the best best you and but she was singing back up for we for a while then my dad got killed she had gotten into a pretty abusive relationship uh remarried to a guy who's a bodybuilder and um you know I I watched him put his hands on her quite a bit and uh but she did good of shielding me from that you know but I still saw um definitely something that I've dealt with throughout my life as far as one of the last things I remember my dad telling me is that it is your your job as a man to to always protect and support the women in your life and women and children in general right but um and watching her get her ass beat I've always I've got three assault records charges on my record and they're all from seeing some guy kicking his girl's ass and I intervene but so my dad dies my mom divorces the douchebags and beat her up um and then she jumps into another relation reltionship my grandfather didn't really like it you know he was like hey you need to chill out like um you need focus on your career and your son and so they kind of had it out and so we moved out of the house that he had bought for it and moved to Hermitage and they threw me in Dupont Tyler which was like children culture shock right um and so I was there for a couple years ended up getting kicked out in the eighth grade for having a gun started getting into gangs was three years after your dad passed yeah okay really about two within two years I was already uh had joined a gang or you know was with was a Gangster Disciple and was running around with a pistol and you know 12 13 years old and not to cut you off but I want to so that that two years I mean you're 10 years old you're hero you were to shot himself yeah um not and in my living with the regret of had I yeah answered the phone that day he have not killed himself that how long did that play through your head until I was 18 okay and then my uncle told me that he didn't kill himself oh he had been shot a chapter of closure right yeah um but I asked M like wow why did everybody let me live with that regret yeah know and he was like I would rather you live with regret and bench m um so uh that kind of closed that chapter that was like a little bit of closure right because I dealt with it all through my teens threatened suicide Aller all that anger that resentment or that regret really um the the anger and resentment of why would he leave me yeah you know why I was I not good enough to off himself you know um and I was suicidal my whole life because of it right like I always played with that when I was a teenager and any time I get in trouble whatever I put a gun in my head or you know said I was going to do something I like cut my wrist when I was young a couple times you know definitely struggled with that um throughout my early 10 years uh it wasn't actually until a year and a half two years ago that I found out who killed him um which is a crazy story uh she good with that now oh yeah yeah just keep going yeah so it was just recently about a year and a half ago I'd say maybe two years ago that they called me and told me that my aunt was on her deathbed and she wasn't going to probably make it through the night favorite aunt right and I go over there and I see her and she's just she's still so full of life I'm like what are you doing baby she's like I'm just waiting on them to open up the door so I can see what's on the other side you know and uh they're like uh you sure are eating a lot and she's like yeah baby it's the Last Supper you know um she was just still full of light but I got my arm around her and a bunch of family in the room and one of my uncles calls and my aunt's got him on speaker phone my other aunt's got him on speaker phone he's like trying to tell me something I'm talking to him I can tell he's just he's crying and he's upset I'm like I don't understand what you're saying he's like oh your aunt's the one that killed your daddy and I've got my arm around her right oh my god um but it was such a testament of who I am because I didn't feel any different about her you know it was 32 years ago right my entire life she was my rock she was one of my favorite aunt she always had my back she would hide me from the police she'd give me 50 bucks if I needed it she you know come through and help with a light bill when I was a single father struggling in my late teens like she always had my back and whatever happened that night happened and I wish I could have got that closer right and just maybe no but maybe it's not for me to know um but was definitely another chapter yeah you know of of getting that closure and saying okay well now at least I'm not wondering sure and I don't feel Revenge now I don't feel regret because there's nothing I could have done I don't feel resentment towards him and I didn't feel any resentment towards her yeah you know because [ __ ] happens right my family had covered it up and I commend them for that right like they had kept that truth together because they didn't want to you know whether it was an accident or you know they just got into it and you know it happened um it happened and they didn't want to lose complete control yeah and they don't want to lose their sister too know we just we just lost him you know to death we don't want to lose her to prison you know so there was something that they swept under the rug and they kept and shows me a lot about them you know yeah when you think about you know all the things that you've had to overcome and we we'll go into some more like the 20s and stuff and kind of as you got to be an adult young adult but you know the fact that you're here now talking and doing what you're doing and the fact that you've overcome a tremendous amount of adversity I mean that's that's kind of what's made you who you are you know today oh for sure it's given me the a purpose right um to where my life is completely purpose-- driven it also not only just gave me a testimony to be able to tell others and show them hey regardless what you're going through you can get through it you can still obtain and reach any goal that you want to reach right nothing can hold you back only you can hold yourself back but like you said it made me who I am and I I have no regrets there's some things that I wish I might have done different you know there's some moments I wish I would have stuck around a little longer there's some you know um people I wish I would have been better to or not been better to yeah but there's no really regret because everything that happened along this journey led me right here yeah absolutely my kids are happy healthy and thriving you know my family is doing great we're all we're here and we got a story to tell and we are able to inspire so many people and help you know that's that's been the biggest part of my brand and it wasn't like it was meant to be that way yeah we were just showing them the journey you know at first when I started rapping I thought I was a white Rick Ross you know like a big old fat white guy braid selling drugs in the streets Diamond chains on and you know um really living what I was rapping and throughout the years it's just we've kept a camera on it and we've let people see and they've seen the ups and downs and they wrote letters while I was in prison and I came home a completely different person and uh but still the same you know how much you know I heard you mention Faith earlier how much has Faith uh been a part of this journey and kind of relying on God and a bit of it I say it all the time I'm only alive surviving off my Grandmama's prayers right I mean I've been shot I've been stabbed I've had bullets fly by my head so fast that they or so close that they burnt my face um I've been through so many situations that I it's the only thing that explains it right is that I'm here for a reason um I've got people that love me that have been super faith faithful and and prayed and my grandma really planted those seeds when I was a kid you know we went to church um my grandmother's mother was a Pentecostal preacher in Arizona and she would carry people up into the mountains and like pray over them and heal them when women weren't allowed to talk in church so my grandma always tells me that I'm covered by the blood of God's servants right um I'm the seed of the servant so CU my family's always been super super um strong Warriors of Gods uh my grandmother Jesse she's still 80 and she's just if I need to know anything about life or that's who I call she's been through it all you know being married to whan for 50 years and um everything that she went through you know growing up on the turquoise and copper mines in Arizona completely poor to you know um having number one records and traveling the world and she's seen it all and she is definitely been my spiritual guide and advisor through it all that's awesome and then when I got to prison you know I I I found a deeper connection and people people get so bent out of shape when people go to prison and five Jesus right I already knew Jesus I already I had Jesus tattoo first second tattoo I ever got was Jesus onl right um but like when do you expect him to show up when you're at your lowest when you need it when you're at Your Darkest when you're wondering and questioning why and and how how why am I here why do I keep coming here of course that's when the Lord's going to show his face the most right um so you know when I got there it was that was part of my spiritual part of the journey right I had to be balanced you can work out all day but if you don't deal with your emotions and your spiritual connection and you know your intelligent you know want to if any one of those are lagging it's going to drag you back down yeah you got to be balanced and strong and all and that was a big part of it so I probably read the Bible FR back three times while I was in there and then really got into like Theology and wanted to like okay what is this book I'm reading you know of course and then I learned about like Constantin and counseling the and they throwing all the books out the wear those books I want to read those books so then I started digging into those books and and reading those and it was a journey and you know uh finding out who Jesus really was and finding out how that connected in my life and you know I'm not huge on the establishment of religion but I love anything that leads somebody to being a better person and whatever that God is to them what I don't knock them for it me myself I'm a crusader baby I'm I'm a warrior for God and I pray to Jesus every night whatever makes you a better person you know uh I'm not going to knock you for it and we can agree to disagree sure and I think that's people get so bent out of shape so separated nowadays by religion and and um and politics yeah you know it's like bro you have your opinion why we're in America that's the great part about this we can believe what we believe yeah we used to have that it used to be like that where you could have difference of opinion even talk about it it'll not be you know well you're a bad person because you like Trump or you're a bad person because you like Biden or whatever the bull [ __ ] is um it's gotten very divisive but that's part of the old matville that I that I missed you know is that you could have diverse opinions and you can have uh arguments about those things that's I was 40 I didn't know I didn't know if my best friend was a democrat or a republican I give a [ __ ] when he vot like that wasn't even in conversation yeah till you know five six seven years ago yeah you know like it's crazy how how hard people fight to divide us it's like bro we all got the same blood in us there One race and so you race yeah you know love and appreciate your ancestry where you're from um but like we're all together in this man well that's yeah one of my heroes is Martin Luther King oh man you know true measure of a man is not dude I have so I could probably quote T his he is one of my favorites when it comes to like the things he said were so prolific yes they were and you're talking about you know don't judge by the color of the skin but by the content other character really color blind society and that's how I've looked at things you know my whole life and I feel like now they actually want to put race or gender you know front and center yeah and you know it's how people identify um and really strange I feel like we've in a way we've gotten worse recently because good people uh are called racist or a lot of different things when in fact no like we just have never seen Society like that and society's the one that's turning itself for sure you know Elon did that chart did you ever see that chart that he did no where it's like he was standing here and he was showing that he was a you know was a Democrat and then has the world shifting it like put him in a in a different political place right yeah and it's not that he changed his values and morals it was just that it's doing this constantly right and it's constantly like you know um and it's all you know it's on purpose it's not I don't knock anybody if you're not hurting women children or doing some evil [ __ ] up [ __ ] yeah dude you can have your belief you know me personally I I love this country and I love God and I love family and I will die and fight to protect everything that I love yeah absolutely and some people have different fights and I don't knock them for it yeah absolutely I mean it's it's uh and that's like a true open-minded position you know uh and you think about like where you're coming from anybody can do what they want to do you know don't bother me or hurt me and my family but don't hurt kids or women Etc um and uh you know it's very open-minded but you know where Society has kind of pushed things yeah to where you're having to take a stance now yes so much more because of okay well this is this is how things are shifting we've had an open mind and we've been very passive and allowed other people to to have this and but now it's getting so far left so far right that it's like that's when the [ __ ] starts really setting in and and what I'm seeing though is that there's this group of the middle M right that might some might lean Democrat some might lean Republican but they're all kind of standing like oh no y'all are [ __ ] up and y'all are [ __ ] up yeah you know what I mean where I'm at yeah that's where it needs to be right it's like no okay we see that you're being really extreme and you're not allowing my buddy here to believe how he wants to believe and you're being really extreme you're saying that you know um so I think there is a strong place I stand firm on what I believe I don't talk about it in my music because my message and my mission is for people to gravitate towards my music and become better people to get through addiction to come home from prison and turn their life around what alcohol whatever battle they're fighting to let them know that they can overcome that and they can have it all they can have they go get their kids back they can rebuild those relationships they can you know start a business they can they can Thrive and nothing is holding them back and I don't want because somebody doesn't agree with my political belief for them to not get my message so I don't talk about it much now God we need you now went number one independently uh billboard and was number one on iTunes for months um and it was picked up by people you know um it was picked up first by the Republicans and then like the Canadian truckers and then you know all these different people using that as an Anthem for their Battle Cry and it was beautiful if you listen to the words of it it's saying exactly what I stand on now you know I didn't I wasn't leaning people all the time be like oh man put this song out it's a republican song I'm like only thing I'm talking about is God family don't [ __ ] with kids if that makes me a republican I guess that's what I am right right but they took it there and uh you know music's translated however people feel and that's a beautiful part about the artst I can tell my story and people can con connect with it with in their lives and with their story you know and use that U I've had so many songs that I get thousands of people commenting like you know this brought me and my daughter back together this got me and my mom back in a better place or me and my father reconnected over this song we hadn't talked in five years you know so that's that's what my purpose and my mission is is to heal yeah that's awesome that's got to be fulfilling when when you get those messages man that's the purpose and it's what keeps me straight you know I tell people all the time I'm like as much as they say that I Inspire them they inspire me they hold me accountable yeah they give me a responsibility so now my integrity's got to be in check because if if they're getting as much inspiration and I'm leading them to be better if I start falling short too much right we all fall short I Stumble all the [ __ ] time but I get back up and if I fall short too much then what does that do for their Journey if the person that they're watching and believing in and getting strength from can't hold his [ __ ] together so it holds me accountable and keeps me responsible for my own [ __ ] too yeah that's awesome one of my favorite quotes is win and doubt Focus out you know like focus on when's the last time you felt bad feeding the homeless or when's the last time you felt bad uh you know doing something for somebody else and you don't because you feel good you're in the giving and and you know with music especially how you look at it um that's like seems like the ultimate uh compliment yeah when when it actually does touch them and you know it's making other people's lives better it gives you a you know major purpose you said you're Purpose Driven yeah man purpose over popularity yeah that's what I say you know I could probably be a way bigger artist if my content was different but you got to be to listen to a lot of my music you got to be ready you got to be willing to look in the mirror you can't be a shitty father and listen to my music CU I'm going to make you feel like an [ __ ] you know you're going to want to change you're going to have to face those demons and uh be ready to fight that's awesome man so yeah and I and I love it like what you say is dude when I do those meet and greets on tour and those people come up and they'll like grab me and grown men will [ __ ] you know cry and we were like literally hold each other for a couple minutes while they're telling me like dude your music got me home from prison and got me through this and I battled addiction and and then I I get the fans that I've met seven years ago that was like man I I'm two weeks sober and I'm like stay up and every [ __ ] year I see them they're like I'm two years sober I'm 3 years sober you know like dude there's nothing nothing that feels better than that you know that's awesome yeah you know right now you know the last few years we've had a influx of uh addiction related you know deaths oh yeah pel's been going crazy you see time you know how much I've dealt with that how much I've lost the mother of my children my three youngest their mother passed away from a fentol overdose her mother my kids grandmother died from fentol overdose their uncle died from a fentol overdose my kid's stepfather died from a fentol overdose all five of our seven kids have lost their other parent me and my wife's wow um countless friends my wife's brother died last Friday was uh brain dead from an overdose so like we're still dealing with it daily our family is threaded together tight with stitches from wounds all right and um we've healed together and we continue to and that's another reason that it gives me that purpose so much you know it's so easy to get high right there so so many things that I could escape from today so many emotions and feelings but what I've watched drugs due to my family alone not to mention the 30 friends that I've watched leave in the Last 5 Years From F all overdoses or drug overdoses um and what their kids go through you know um it's probably one of the biggest epidemics that we really face it is and it is just fed to our children it's in everything now I know guys that popped a thought they were popping a perco set pain pill and it was Fen off Preston Mexico Preston China you know it's it's a real deal and it's uh uh you know I've beat it into my kids they've lost parents so hopefully they don't make those same decisions cuz I've I've told them like it takes one time yeah their mom had gotten out of jail she was 90 days sober got high again and died man you know um what like this is different too because you know uh I mean some people have fentanyl addictions and then there's the side we're talking about it could just be a pill you didn't know about that's different than you know 20 years ago oh yeah um no drugs aren't not that drugs were ever safe but they were safe right I did a lot of them when I was young right and now I we just me and jelly we just had one of our best friends die from a fent all overdose and he was snoring cocaine yeah there's five people in the room snorting out of the same pack of cocaine and he just got wrong chunk that has some fentol in it you know um man so it's like it is it's it's you don't know where it's going to pop up and this shit's not safe anymore you know even pain pills because they're repressing them with fentol because they can put the tiniest amount of fanol in it and mat and make you think that you're getting that opiate man yeah it's such a it's such a crazy thing cuz as as you said you know the drugs were a lot safer 20 years ago and they really I mean in that sense that they were I don't think that most people uh do cocaine and expect to die no from you know from doing it you know because of fentanyl I had a friend about a month ago same thing uh cocaine uh was laced with fentanyl dead and um you know it's that's another thing in a way it seems like a a plan because you know it is coming in from Mexico we know how they're getting it in with it's coming in from China we know how they're how they're doing that and it doesn't seem like I me you think about what happened with Co you know they shut everything down um didn't really think about mental health or the impacts it was going to have on people because if you were depr if you suffer from depression and all of a sudden they say you have to stay inside you can't leave you can't move can't go to gyms can't go to you know yeah I mean you're going to have Outlet yeah they just crush it and so you know I said that uh during Co um that they're not thinking about those people they're not thinking about the people with addiction and you know I was running the numbers from the very beginning and I was looking at different epidemiologists and uh there was a cruise ship in March where everybody in the cruise ship March of 2020 when it all was going down yeah everybody in the cruise ship got covid and you could pretty much see by age who would have a bad outcome or who could have a bad outcome um or who wouldn't Etc and you know it was about 1 in 5,000 1 in 15500 uh people under the age of of 40 uh those are from the New York number so I'm like we're locking these people up and and to this date you know uh every year we've had about 100,000 people die of overdoses well that's let's see that's in three years that's 300,000 or so people give or take in the United States um you know that's 10 times those uh that were under 40 that died of covid yeah and so they didn't really think about what that was doing to younger people uh and how it would cause you know even more addiction yeah well and it's a whole cycle too you just think about even uh from the street side right you got these guys that are have jobs and hustle right or have jobs can't go to work start selling drugs again or using drugs again right fent all so cheap they can add it to the drugs cut it quadruple five 10 times their money and so then I mean it's just it was a whole cycle of all of that it was you know um it spread the fentanyl out so hard so heavy um and then like you said with the mental health like I had a key to a gym or I would have went [ __ ] crazy I did go crazy to be honest we all did I got like super like malicious and was uh I thought I I mean not malicious but super um militant right and I was like okay it's coming the end of the world's coming like I I had a moment where I was losing myself right in all of it uh and I was you know I felt like I was mentally prepared for anything yeah but that was a that was a rough time but I also went from it and maneuvered and figured out other sources of income and we still did great and Thrive from it yeah right no I mean it was same here I mean it was uh as it was going down you know I remember I don't never watch the news and I was watching the news probably on this TV uh for like three or 4 days right when they shut everything down and I would go to bed and I was having nightmares and it was just this racing brain I'm like this isn't normal I feel like I'm being programmed or something to have this crazy anxiety and and fear and that's what they were pumping through the TV fear fear fear whole feed I I ended up by about 2021 2022 I unfollowed about 90% of the people I was following yeah because it was just nonstop nonstop yeah and it's like I you know especially the guys that were just posting memes and videos but like they're not doing anything about it sure you know it's just like just pumping more and more fear it's like I don't want to see that man yeah you know it kind of comes to a point where like I love everybody and I wish I could change the world but we've heard forever that the way you change the world is to start inside your home right I say it on stage all the time I say I don't want to hear none of you [ __ ] complaining or bitching about the way this country is if you're not raising your kids to change it all right so I started in my home and I kind of had a front yard policy like I'm going to stay aware and I know what's going on but I'm not going to get fearful or get into attack mode until it's in my front yard yeah right um until it comes to my doorstep because otherwise drive yourself crazy man like you know there was so much from so many different angles of that of that fear of like you know especially for our kids and what we want for our kids and thinking like you know some of my kids were coming home like Dad we're probably not even going to get to graduate college MH the world's not even going to be around that much longer you know my 24y old daughter at the time a couple years ago she was at that point where she was just like living like a it's gonna end any day you know because that's what's like being pumped from the people she was following yeah and at what point did you know it was [ __ ] well I knew that it was all [ __ ] probably a month into it yeah you know it was about a month of it I remember we were all down in Florida on vacation when the [ __ ] hit and uh March uh right after the tornado it just hit Nashville and uh right yeah it was 2020 March 2020 march20 yep yeah it was a week after that they shut everything down yeah yeah so we were down in Florida and uh we're watching it from vacation I got all the kids in the house and you know in Airbnb and we're watching we ended up staying an extra week cuz nothing was shut down down there so we're like yeah we're good we're just going to hang out down here now I'm like having to go into Publix and fight for meat and stuff right and then it got to the point was like oh they're going to close the borders down and I was like well we got to get home so we jumped in the car car we all got back home and there was you know there was about a month of that where it was like you know okay we're going to wear a mask we're going to you know put the stuff on our hands and then it was like [ __ ] this this is [ __ ] yeah and we went on about life you know and uh crazy times it was man we had uh you know we had our hospital and uh we were worried about them closing the border and um so we shut down for 2 months um uh had to let about I think it was 200 employees go for a minute you know we got them all hired back but we were completely you know completely shut down and uh you know there were metastatic cancer patients stage four cancer patients that were more afraid of covid than they were of their terminal cancer and you know the amount of fear that has to go into society to actually be that you know delusional yeah uh is incredible I watch I watch a lot of uh people I would consider my friends that were patients die uh you know because of the fear yeah and um it was it was strange and then you know going from actually you were one of the first people to do a show without a mask remember seen that yeah yeah what was that all about well so we we tried to tour as much as we could and I had a a strict policy like I well that [ __ ] is danger ous like my when they made my kids wear mask at school they were like coming home with their [ __ ] mouth broke out the moisture and rashes and stuff and imagine what that's doing to your lungs right so I looked into it and like all the stuff that it can that bacteria that you're breathing and pumping right back into your lungs um and I I I got Co a couple times lost taste and smell one time I was like super weak but I didn't I didn't get the you know the crazy effects of it or whatever right I didn't get like super sick I I have a couple friends that got pretty sick off of and they were like oh that [ __ ] sucked you know like the flu or like pneumonia I've got and I've got bad lungs cuz I've had pneumonia tons of times but uh so we're out on out on the road and they were trying to they told me they said we have order we have hired 10 extra people today to watch your fans um and if they pull their mask down take a drink if they don't pull it right out they're kicked out the first time so stupid I said well we're going to have to cancel this show you're going to kick my whole crowd out yeah right and my son my 21y old son he was 19 at the time 18 he's my I got him on tour with me at the time and he was my loader M and we're in a completely empty venue nobody's in there and they're trying to make him wear a mask to load the equipment I'm like it's 90° outside he's fat big old boy he's 300 lb um I'm not fixing to make he's going to die he's going to pass out trying to carry this equipment in there's nobody in here y'all they're just being ridiculous at this point right and um so I I canceled a couple I canceled that show but went in and wrote a check so this is for y'all's day took took a $4,500 loss m but they had opened their doors they had employees they had already got pulled permits they had done all the stuff they had to do right cut the check said you know I'm our moral compasses are just pointing the different way all good no har I'm just not going to do the show went down the street to a pizza place and did all the meet and greets oh nice at a place that wasn't requiring masks so because it it did it got ridiculous it got it got ridiculous all common sense you know went out the door you I've been working on some Mr Tech technology for a while and you know we have a s manufacturing and vaccine lab so it's not like I don't know about vaccines and so uh watching uh you know this idea of mRNA be pushed to the masses like you know I like it for for instance you take a a piece of a tumor you sequence it uh you make uh a specific mRNA vaccine for a patient's tumor I like that you're not putting it in 350 million people in America you know this is with people with stage four cancer you know the cancer uh is likely to kill them hopefully this can help um the the side effects um aren't as important per say as you know uh the side effects if it's a mass vaccination campaign and um so watching it unfold and the the suggestion that it was going to be completely safe and then watching that they they said first you know you can't get Co if you have the vaccine I knew that was a lie uh you can't transmit covid if you get the vaccine I knew that was a lie natural immunity doesn't work and that's all misinformation I knew that was a lie it's always natural immunity has always been better than vaccines and they were saying that even after there was an Israeli study that showed that the natural immunity was 27 times more effective than the vaccine and they were still pushing this you know this really bad idea and uh yeah so I was fighting the whole time I got Shadow banned I got kicked off of YouTube um and you know it was it was tough but I also saw if you look at like I always wondered you know how the Nazis could do what they did how did people just let that happen yeah and I felt like you know I never thought America would ever be down for a lockdown yeah and I think we saw how you know if they want to do it in the future they already have the Playbook oh yeah on how they would do it again oh I got the Playbook too I'm going go take over the Walmart they shut and we're going to put a camp up right there there we go as long as them lights are on we're going to have plenty of food like I'm not I would I I'm not going to go for it again I can't deal with it yeah you know if it was if it was like something that I really believed was that bad you know I I took I I took precautions right I I did the things that I felt would keep my family safe and healthy and right we doubled up on the vitamins and the zinc and vitamin C and um went got IVs and you know did a lot of things to you know wash their hands a little bit more play in the dirt a little bit more all right a little bit more time outside yeah get some sunlight you know um so you took it serious though you're like okay it's a serious thing because people people were dying you know people were getting sick and I so I'm not gonna I never gonna just discredit somebody or or or be irresponsible with somebody else's sure wishes absolutely right even if I don't agree yeah and that was one of my arguments like hey you got a mask on you're good same I I don't I I'm going to choke to death yeah like that [ __ ] [ __ ] hurt right I'm a big old boy I got a raspy voice that mask does not work for me I'm going suffocate yeah but you got yours on good I'm not I'm not looking at you any different for having it on yeah you know um and that's you know that goes back to the same thing it's like just opinions and belie and beliefs man like you have yours yeah stay six feet away it's okay I'm not mad at you yeah but like trying to shut down Thanksgiving [ __ ] you yeah well I'm going to see my family we're going to break bread we're going to eat and we're going to have a good time yeah they they uh they definitely did that and you know was sad to me my best friend died growing up uh he out of Co 40 years old 350 lbs yeah uh as he was going there like hey you know you you might want to look at that vaccine so I'm I mean I'm definitely not antix yeah uh I think if you're healthy especially if for kids you know it's it's not it's not needed especially if you've already had covid like you know uh not needed now somebody's 65 and up I think there's a you know good argument for it I think if someone's really really overweight you know it's up to them by the way I'm no judgment whether they do it or not I'm just proc friends that got it yeah and that's all good but you know it was it was the division that it caused you know that's really you were talking about division earlier that's what it did it caused this division to where the you know not all the vaccinated people but they they made it sound like vaccinated versus unvaccinated you know if you're unvaccinated you're this and that you're you don't care about the next person like no but it's my body I take a holistic approach yeah I don't even really I before I take Ibuprofen I'm going to drink water and probably take a nap or medit before I even take Ibuprofen right so it's like that's just my personal beliefs I like a more holistic approach I don't want something in my body that I don't know about that hasn't been tested yeah you know and I've watched a lot of young very in shaped athletes and and people that you know die from Cardiac Arrest that was linked back to the vaccine because it just didn't connect with their body right yeah no doubt about it we've seen we've seen a lot of that we're treating a lot of patients right now with the with the stem cells uh both vax injured and covid injured you know it's it's you know both were bad you know see a lot of lung lung injuries with covid um see a lot of weird reactions with the vaccine I mean it's uh I think they were both um they were both bad but like you said I mean I'm more of a holistic approach too yeah I'd much rather uh you know be healthy and take my vitamins and get sunlight you know first I said don't go out in the sun I want to get sunlight get exercise if you look at the studies too uh you next to organ transplantation the the um uh highest risk of dying of covid were those that were least active number two was obesity of course if you're not very active you're probably going to be obese but you know they were saying don't be active yeah and what in fact the opposite was go be active go be in the sunlight you know um yeah I love the study that that uh with a trial and error I mean well wasn't in the era but uh in Smith and them with their gym they they had hundreds of thousands of people visit the gym and everybody that was coming to the gym they didn't have one single Co outbreak yeah in the gym right from any of the members and that was you know that was just kind of a testament to that as well is like if you're the Chinese say uh disease can't set up in running water oh yeah sickness can't set up in running water like if you keep moving and you keep your body it's a lot harder for things to set up and and attack you yeah absolutely yeah it was it was it was interesting times um I I was I was one of those Maniacs that thought that in 2020 that uh tequila killed it killed it you're probably right I drank a bottle of casamigo sitting at the house every day yeah and uh it was pretty not healthy but felt good yeah no no doubt about it I had I had plenty of that uh going on as well um and you were talking about you know shutting down the schools and and what they did with the masks in the schools um it was interesting because mayor Cooper at the time you know had East iy the event venue going on so they shut down weddings yeah um I had a bad little clause in my contract to where uh I owed all the deposits back we couldn't reschedule them so I owed 23,000 in deposits back and this is while we're closed down like pretty much you know I I was close to to bankruptcy and um we ended up closing down that business and then I personally paid every back and you know some people were still upset but um you know the mayor at the time in Nashville opened up the city in the end of June of 2020 and we're like we're back open July we had weddings we're like finally he opened it up for one week you know what happened that week that he opened up you got a bunch of deposits he no I know no I wish that you had to pay back his son had his gr School graduation wow and then he shut it back down the next week and I owed another $53,000 in deposits for the month of July and um you know it was it was wild wild times there was a bunch of those Shenanigans going on you not just in Nashville but throughout the country and you know what we saw uh hopefully is a lesson to people I mean guys like you stood up against it said we're not dealing with this we're not going to do this mask BS uh guys like me I stood up with it very republiclyrics I watched all my social numbers crash right and and I wasn't even I was just standing on my stance it wasn't even like I wasn't you know one of those guys that was posting constantly about it or you know any of that I didn't I never did any of that um I just in real life took those stances whether it be a venue saying no I'm canceling the show because they want us to wear masks or hey we're doing these three shows you don't have to wear a mask or you know whatever like I took some stances personally you know publicly but but I wasn't pumping anything online and I still I watched my like my story went from 40,000 views to 500 yeah views you know every time I posted something on my story yeah especially I did that tour with Tommy vexed what happened about that one uh well we did a tour called God Bless The Outlaws great tour we had a blast um but I all my numbers soon as Tommy started posting my name really my number went in the toilet was he going hard well yeah he was going hard he was he was one of those guys it was like his entire story you know he got kicked off his label for taking his stance and um he just constantly he was that was his main focus yeah it still is he's still doing it so man um but yeah as soon as you know he came like hey we think both y'all you know have a lot of same beliefs y'all should do this tour together you know no masks it's a freedom tour and I was like all right let's do it and I got I was out there about a week no reach no and Bonnie's hitting me like uh what is going on with our numbers I was like I'm out here with this guy every time he mentions me my [ __ ] nobody sees my Instagram for two weeks oh man um which is crazy you know that that freedom of speech has gotten that controlled it is man they can just shadow you're still there but nobody can you know hear what what you're saying from the from the list of of people that that that you built what what do you think of Elon right now I don't know man it's such a LoveHate Thing because it's like he'll say something really cool and but then he wants to put chips in our brains you know it's like like I I think I I love a lot about him but then there's some things it's like I don't know bro like I'm not with that yeah you know that whole chip in the brain thing a little weird I loved when he you know bought Twitter and just started trolling everybody that was cool yeah that's fun to watch you know that's the thing man you create your own reality like in my world none of that [ __ ] really matters yeah right um because I don't allow it to affect me m but boy it's like watching WWE it is politics and everything is like watching 0 good old 80s wrestling that that that those are the best days man Ultimate Warrior Hulk Hogan man sting I just got to meet Hulk Hogan it was uh he's really Hulk Hogan still yeah I got to meet him how big is he he's about my size okay yeah I feel like he might have been uh inch or two taller than me gotcha um but yeah he's he's still he's exactly what you think he would be yeah you know that's awesome um going back actually going back to we kind of start talking about a lot of other things uh you're talking about you growing up mhm 18 years old um You' kind of had a you know from say 12 to 18 uh you know some some rough times take us through you know when you were 18 the change when you found out about your dead that he didn't kill himself and what went on after that well by that time I was already you know 5 years into my criminal Behavior Uh and uh by the time I was 18 I was finding out that I was about to have a daughter right so why had been super wild 16 17 um well we like to call a cowboy you know I was running around robbing and you know acting wild um strung out on cocaine for years um selling it to to do it pretty much found out that I was having my first kid and where I'm from that I settled down so I quit using cocaine and quit robbing people and started selling wheed you know um that's settling down where I'm from and uh so had Brianna at 19 and my life changed like I I was still I was still hustling and uh always kept a job you know so it's pretty much just working Southern weed and you know running around and then it always snowballs right like you start off with I'm just going to sell a little bit of drugs just pay the bills fill in the blanks from where I'm working and then it goes to well I need money to put down on the house or I need to buy a car I need you know and it just snowballs and before you know it you're getting 100 200 lbs of wheed a week and you know um the environment changes around you as a lot more violence and people trying to come at you and then you know of course you you got to protect yourself and so it's it's a Snowball Effect and it happens fast especially if you're good at it right um so that started happening by the time I was 21 uh I had built a pretty big Network in Nashville um caught a charge for a Class D for 10 to 70 pounds for sell at 25 pounds of marijuana went to jail Davis County yeah okay went to jail um got a three-year sentence right two threes and a one run concurrent because it was two separate sales I didn't actually do the sales um but the person told on me and they had a little bit of wir tap and had a little bit of um video where they came in my house and stuff uh and the guy who had made the sales of course I had sent him to drop it off so I took accountability for it so that he didn't go to jail um did months in County Jail did the little program that they had cuz you know anything under six you would just stay in the county or go to CCA anything over six you go to prison I just got a three so I was in county for that 123 months did the drug program petition the court because I didn't know where my kids were in the process right before I went to jail um a deal that went bad with a friend of mine and it was tied up with the feds so the mother of my kids had been um present during the sale and so they had came and indicted her so my kids were being bounced around while she was going through the federal system and then they were like coming at me saying oh we know you're involved we know it was your drugs and uh you know I just did what we do and kept my mouth shut and said okay if you can prove it you know arrest me at the time though I'm not being able to find my kids right my mother my kids is in and out of federal halfway house and she's fighting the case so I petitioned the court and said hey I need to get out my kids need a father I did the drug program I had two months left to flatten it all right but I didn't know where my kids were and he was like okay well I'll put you on three years Community Corrections three years after you only had two months yeah I only had two months left to flatten a three because you get two for ones in good days right so I only had three more months or two more months to flatten the three and he said you can go home today but I'm going to give you three months Community Corrections and if you [ __ ] up I'm going double it three years three years yeah three years community cors and if you [ __ ] up I'm going to double it he didn't think I was going to take it but I wanted my kids back right I wanted to go find my kids at that time I had Brianna and then I had had a my uh oldest son while I was in jail he was born while I was in there and so he was just a baby he was like 9 months old my daughter's three um so I went home that day went and got him a single father got my own place and walked at three all the way down didn't sell drugs worked a job two jobs when I had to uh in the process of that got with a new girl um had a my third child and for the first four or five years coming home from that sentence I stuck to my guns you know I I didn't go back to Southern drugs we struggled um I worked um night and day you know um I remember going and buying $30 cheeseburgers from Wendy's to feed the household cuz at this time I've got my kids two friends my girlfriend her brother her other brother you know that we got 10 people 12 people that I'm providing for even at this point just off working a regular job and uh you know life kept happening life kept happening I fell short again gave in you know got an eviction notice friend called hey man you know you don't got to be in that situation you know and it just once again snowballed again got back into the streets um that was probably 200000 say five what part of nville were you living in then an okay y um over by like uh Harden place or Haywood Lane um right in the middle of it and uh me and jelly were good friends we became best friends in 2004 um but I got back in streets probably about 2005ish and uh once again you know built it up to where I was making a lot of money and still taking care of a lot of people and um but just that constant chaos you know of that life signed a record deal in 2008 uh with a company called Mass bomb the Guy Sebastian he's actually here today he's still my right-hand man to this day and shoots all my content we've been actually documenting my entire life and have all the footage since ' 08 before going into prison that's awesome he picked me up from prison um so that's a big project that it's going to be crazy I can't wait got to find the right person yeah you know it's got to be done right but 2008 signed a record deal I remember the day I signed the record deal I brought my scales with me and they were covered in cocaine I mean they just the whole tops of all the crevices and stuff you know just from um all the hustling that I you know hustling I was doing and stuff and and I threw him away I was like all right I'm done and uh started going to Atlanta recording um working on I was doing some songs with Drummer Boy and working on my rap career and uh then the guy who my right-hand man his father passed away and it kind of put everybody in a tail spin he went through some some tough times in his life and he kind of backed off from having a label or from the label right he needed some personal time and in the process of that I went back to the streets um kind of gave up you know when I should have kept pushing I should have just you know picked the ball right up and kept going I just once again that was before I was holding myself accountable right and and uh caught an indictment in uh I guess it was 2010 uh fought that case and then in 2011 they came and got me picked me up on federal charges and state charges and uh Zilla who you had on the show Edward C oh yeah he was actually the one who dropped me off the FED said oh we need cuz I was on federal Bond and he was like uh they called and said hey we need a drug screen so he drove me to the Federal Building poor thing sat out there like 5 hours they had arrested me he had me down the street and holding in a holding cell and he's still sitting outside thinking I'm gonna come back out came out five years later man it's so they yeah they got you on a a drug test but it was obviously a with a drug test set up having you come in for that yeah they they had indicted me on a conspiracy of 200 kilos wow and uh 300 lb of weed in the school zone there was a bunch of like uh money laundering and stuff attached to it group of my friends some my guys that I was working with they had got arrested months before that and uh I thought I'd slid out of it and then one of the guys ended up turning mhm listened to all the wire Taps and they wanted to know who I was and he told him who I was so then it pulled me into the whole case um because I didn't I've never been caught with anything I've never actually I've I'm a seven time drug felon and I've never actually been caught with a gun I mean with a I'm been caught with a lot of guns never been caught with a drug in my life um it was always conspiracy and you know a phone conversation and or a um you know somebody testifying against me gotcha but uh so they had all got wrapped up in this case and then last minut it they the guy comes back and they re indict 10 of us and I was already fighting a federal case at the time where somebody set me up um a girl that I knew set me up on a uh U sale for oxycottons and I didn't even sell oxycotton or like I was anti oxycotton um but she had a bunch of them friend of mine that had just came home from the war and was on disability lost his lung to uh Q fever I think is what it was called Kicking doors in some chemicals got in his mouth shut his lungs down and um but he was a good friend of mine he was like bro please get those for me you know I can make this much money off of them and I was like all right I got you and we went to go do the buy and she set us up but the buy didn't actually go through they didn't find the money and it was you know looked like it was going to be able to get beat in court but then he got a little spooked because they were threatening to take away his benefits and uh making sure he under my chin uh they were threatened to take away his benefits his kids college all this stuff from you know being a vet and so he ended up you know rolling on me but uh yeah so I ended up with the two cases we fought him the best we could I got 57 months in the feds uh 13 years at 30% in the state right under 5 years MH um 13 and A2 years in the state um for cocaine conspiracy special amounts MH uh went to the State pin did a few years did a couple years uh made Paro cuz the feds had a hold on me so they just paroled me out to the feds y soon as I got to the feds I'm thinking my time's running together MH and the FEDS say oh no your time's starting now oh man I was like [ __ ] I thought I had like 10 months left and now they're saying I got 57 damn um but I did the drug program which knocked a year off uh and then Obama had passed that um fer sentencing act okay with the non-violent offenders that took 11 months off my sentence okay so uh cuz it was just a drug charge with no gun involved and so I ended up doing right at 5 years and then coming home to a federal halfway house and uh come off parole in 6 months oh man that's a big day yeah man that's a big day what are you what are you going to do to celebrate I'm treat it like I did the rest of the time so I don't get back on parole there you go there you go yeah my wife says outside she's like I'm kind of scared for you to come off parole like you're a you're um uh slapper might come back you know yeah somebody too disrespect respectful I jump out the car I'm pretty bad about like acting right but then I I've got that little safety net that's like you're on parole yeah right um and a lot of times I've learned that things can be settled so much easier with conversation well for sure man for sure yeah it's you know well parole 2 you got six months so worst case you violate and go in for six months right I you know yeah probably so and that would flatten it at this point um and unless I caught a new charge yeah which you know my life is pretty much based around music family you know doing stuff with the kids and the old lady or being um being at the gym or at the studio yeah I that's that's my days uh I I even had to cut back on the drinking a lot because it was not only does it affect my um physical goals all right because is it just something about tequila it keeps my love handles full like dude I'll get down I I'll get just about to the best shape that I've ever been in and then I go on tour for 60 days Y and even if I eat good on tour and I still work out just that little bit of drinking at the shows it just keeps that weight on me yeah but uh also you know of course you know we're not always the same person that we want to be when we drink you know if I have too many drinks and somebody says the wrong thing you know you're um give a [ __ ] goes a little bit smaller right absolutely so I've had to learn that about myself and take accountability for that so now I'm really treating alcohol like like a cheap meal MH you know I'm not that guy that's not drinking I'm just not drinking sure yeah that's guy I pretty much stay away from you know like a hard liquor now I'm like a red wine guy oh yeah I've uh I've gotten to that point where I'm like just red wine I'm good we go out or whatever you know it's hard to it's hard being out in Nashville and drinking red wine at a yeah at a honky Tong but um you know well I found also like cuz I love tequila right so if I if I can just do like a nice Reposado or a Neo right I'm G to sip it yeah I don't want to shoot that if I start taking shots we got a we got a long fun night and I know that right and there's times when I'm like you know what tonight I want to have a long fun night yeah and I'm not going to stop myself from that but I really minimize it and uh I got a big in my house right and I had got back up 2020 into 2021 I'd got back up to 280 lbs oh [ __ ] um touring drinking a bottle of tequila night you know there's always an excuse in Nashville to drink whether it's a business meeting or a you know a function you're going to or dinner or you know studio session I mean whatever but I was like man like I was back up to 287 lbs so 2022 I only drank 20 times the whole year and got down to 230 7% body fat man I was looking good man and then 2023 hit I went out to LA for the Grammys um went out there to record an album with my uncle shooter and you know out there it's just I end up drinking and so I put on another 20 pounds and I did an 81 day tour with jelly roll uh oh uh L of tequila only drank 30 days okay 30 times out of 81 days okay so um which sounds like a lot it doesn't though it doesn't though it actually does maybe to other people but it doesn't to me yeah cuz you know the business right you know like backstage and yeah shows and walking out in front of 27,000 people do a shot to calm the nerves a little bit yeah but you know what I learned though is when I decided in 2022 that I wasn't going to drink anymore I've done every show sober since ah and I actually don't like drinking before I used to use that as a crutch and I'd say I got to kill the nerve and I like and I'm going DRM now I'm on where I thought I was better drunk right but now I realize like I'm way better sober y so now uh I don't even like the feeling of going out there with drink with a drinking me yeah you can tell a difference face that [ __ ] you can tell a difference yeah I I know it's just a much smaller scale but when I uh have to give a speech or something oh yeah you know I used to just do a little shot or whatever just to I would say call nerves but uh you know I actually found that I'm not as sharp um sure you know when that happens of course alcohol doesn't make you as sharp no so um makes you feel like you are yeah exactly that's right I dance better I sing better no I don't yeah no I still dance horribly yeah way better if I'm sober but so I have a bar in my house and that was one of the things that I had to realize is I don't drink for excuses anymore or with excuses right so it's like because I can find an excuse always if I drink with an excuse right because today was a bad day I'm going to have a drink or today was a great day I'm celebrate and have a drink right I can find an excuse every day to have a drink so now it's just I want to have a drink yeah I'll have one but there's a process that goes before that it's like eh I got legs tomorrow right right or I got a early morning meeting or I want to get up at 4:30 and do cardio yeah or man I I jumped on the scale today and I was 5 lbs down I know that if I drink tonight y I am going to weigh an extra 5 lbs for the next three or four days while I'm bloated my liver's trying to figure out what the [ __ ] is in it yeah and my body's not synthesizing protein or or my metabolism is not working because it's trying to metabolize that alcohol and get it out of me right and I know what it does to my body now so there's a process of things before I pick up that drink now that I think about yeah and if I go through all that I'm like you know what I just really want to have a drink tonight you know we're going out for dinner or something we have a nice couple Tequilas I'm going do it but it's a lot less than it than it's ever been no yeah I'm I'm somewhat similar I mean it's yeah trying to make an excuse to drink and like I said I'm a red wine guy pretty much that's actually helped me because you know I won't sit around or you know if I'm at a party or whatever you know glass of red wine it does me what I don't know five shots of tequila will do however it reacts to my body just it's it's a nice yeah calming effect and uh I love it so that's kind of my that's kind of my go-to now P has grown up in Nashville what do you think because I know you're you're into it what do you think the difference is between on your body from a glass of red wine or say the equal amount of tequila oh um you know there's some studies that that show that like a glass of red wine before bed is actually good for you I don't know if that's just from people that love wine want to be like they have their bias in their study but um you know there are like there's like Resveratrol in wine that's uh good I think anything in excesso for sure is bad I was just wondering if it did something if it metabolized faster in the liver or if there was something there uh actually I need to read up on this CU it definitely feels way different just one glass of red wine and it's you don't really feel it you don't feel bloated the next day I can drink I can drink a lot of tequila I mean we both grew up a nashille I'm sure you can too no you know drink a lot of tequila I can drink a lot of liquor period really I don't know that many people that can hang with me and I don't get hangovers so I get up the next day and go to the gym at 8: a.m. they're all like oh you're a [ __ ] psych you're an animal yeah yeah no I don't do the workout thing afterwards but I can I can throw down and um but I don't like feeling bad the next day yeah and you know red wine for me has kind of made it uh you know it's nice and easy I have I think last night it was um Laura's mom my my girlfriend mom's birthday had a couple glasses of red wine it was nice she had a couple glasses of red wine uh Laura drank her Chardonnay you know so it's nice and chill and uh where instead you know I would have a beer and I have a shot of tequila next thing you know y'all are fighting or arguing something exactly everybody's loud the music's up I don't want to go to bed at 11 o' effects on the body yeah that's it that's it that's how that's how it goes but you know Nashville's an interesting place uh because of that because you know I don't think it's like other cities in the sense that growing up here and going out here you know it's a lot of drinking it's easy to to go down those those rabbit holes and The Honky ton bars I love I love an Old Smoky honky Tong bar I like just being in there and you know hanging out with my friends and you know letting loose that's how I grew up you know my favorite old bar uh it's not that old actually so I shouldn't say old bar my favorite bar was the the original losers before it had any expansion I love that place low ceilings you know back then I think people could I don't smoke but for whatever reason I like that environment yeah I yeah I still smoke that's one of the things I got to let go of yeah what do you think of these Vapes I think they're horrible yeah man and my I've got my 24 year old or 21y old son he's just puffing on that thing and I just actually got him into the doctor uh went and check checked his hormone levels they were bottomed out 21 years old he's you know 330 lb so got him on a little bit of hormones with the doctor and um try and try zepeti what is that you know there's semi glutide oh yeah MH so we were doing semi glutide I got a employee of mine that's um it's like a a day-to-day assistant uh she's a driver we're on tour but she was obese and we put her on sem BL tide and she's lost 90 lbs yeah wow um so then the doctor that I was going to he was like man they got tepati it's it's even better and it's less side effects so we switched her to tritide and we just put my son on tepati to see how it works it it um it suppresses your appetite I see um I tried it and it made it where I I would I would not know that I needed to eat until I was like hangry yeah like it just kills that whole urge um Cravings you don't have the craving for sweets or alcohol uh which scares me a little bit right because you want to you don't want to lose human desire yeah right um but you know I think it's a great healthy drug it's it's really good for uh lowering um blood sugar so like diabetic uh cholesterol they're saying it's going to be like an anti-aging thing eventually because of all the effects that it has on like cholesterol you know the main reasons that people die y so just got my son on that but like he was another example of going in and his liver levels were like three times the high Max oh no and he doesn't drink alcohol he drinks Mountain Dews Vapes is he uh taking any supplements none he wasn't doing anything really that's strange yeah crazy uh he doesn't even take I can't get him to take a vitamin huh so pulled all his blood work and we're working on it but they immediately put him on a little testosterone got him the tritide and um he's down a few pounds trying to get him just get that motivation like see those results and yeah you know cuz that's been such a GameChanger for me right is getting in good shape oh yeah just not only physically and how I feel and how I perform but how I act I mean like so many so many of the bad decisions I made throughout life were because of like insecurities or self-doubt or not being confident in myself right um and getting in better shape and and training and pushing yourself to those limits and realizing how strong you are not just physically but mentally and how you can break through barriers and and I can't right getting rid of that uh helps out so much in other aspects of life that I I hope he finds that love Yeah man he say he's 24 no he's 21 21 21 yeah if you want my our doctors to look at it man I'm happy to I mean it's especially those you know figuring out the liver part yeah that's very that's from yet yeah I mean this is kind of weird but just tell you like there's something called like a coffee enema M so oh no I do them oh you do well I do I go get a a um colonic yeah colon uh hydrotherapy yeah yeah and they finish it with uh coffee really yeah it's kind of they clean you out and then they do a coffee and then they do a um a greens afterwards really yep it's right here in Franklin it's amazing body benefit Co yeah so I mean coffee enemas man uh your blood pumps to your liver once every 3 minutes so in a 15-minute coffee and be five times and it opens up the bod duct in your liver and pumps the toxins out oh wow so it's a major liver detox wow and uh you know our cancer patients for years I mean we would our hospital is different we would have them doing 15 to 20 pounds of raw organic fruits and vegetables a day via pressed juice yeah uh they would do five coffee enemas a day for if you're killing off cancer you're you're basically detoxing the body it's a major major detox yeah and um Dedrick Perry my business partner he still does like uh I think he said I was talking the other day I think he said he does like four a week uh he's got like a set routine on how how many he does uh if I'm feeling bad coffee inema um you know something else could be good there's a a uh Dr Howard in belme um letting him check him out he's got a lot of cool equipment uh ozone therapy yeah so I've been doing that lately oh man ozone therapy you like that bro so I have an ozone generator in my bedroom here and in Mexico and uh so what so what is your uh I might be talking about something different do you do the IV yeah yeah so they dump my blood and then they pump it full of the ozone they put it back in your body and put it back in my body yeah oh we do that at our hospital as well uh so you know ozone is it's incredible man people ask ask me about stem cells and things like that and I I love stem cells I think I think that's great for for injuries and actually for a lot of things for your lungs it's really good um but if you were to ask me the one thing if I could take it on a a regular basis what would it be ozone therapy and so I've hacked the whole thing to where you know I I I can get the IVs at my my hospital but I wanted every day and so you can do it rect kind of like the colonic and so uh I do it every day and I have i' I've rigged it to where I don't have to have the bag and normally you're supposed to put in the bag and then put the tube and squeeze it you know and it goes in in and cleans you out but uh I just took it directly from the machine I got a special little adapter and um you know so IV ozone is is great you can do I direct IV you can do the major autohemotherapy was which is what you were talking about you can do something called a tin pass which is 10 passes with the Special Machine and there's something called um uh ozone autopheresis uh ozone apheresis and that it takes your blood out it runs it through a machine and puts it back that's the best one pretty expensive couple thousand bucks to that one but um oh it takes like a lot of it yeah it takes time and this is a tremendous amount of ozone yeah but you know it's hard to do all of that is you have to go into the doctor yeah and do the process but uh doing like the ozone inema uh you get about 50% of the IV one that you're doing with the major Auto do it every day but you can do it every day and it doesn't cost you money every time I pay $25 a month for my oxygen tank MH and that's it and that's that's my mean get I bought a $2,000 machine yeah but I can do it daily and I go probably uh try to go at least twice a week once twice a week we get IVs uh do NAD oh yeah I make that one a week yeah we our lab oh do you yeah oh yeah dude I love that I do too man me and Sebastian we when we go get them we'll race I'm like cranking mine up you know oh yeah yeah hold on tight I figured out how to do it though you know you just crank it up it gets real serious breathe through it and then you crank it up a little bit more you know when it's not as intense and you just keep pushing it up I can do you know 1,000 milligram in a 500 bag in about an hour oh wow yeah a an hour yeah that's a that's a lot I I like to keep my dose at like 500 milligram of it uh anything more than that I don't like the effects but um it's something when I'm in Mexico I do it once once a week on Mondays oh wow and I get a bag in and uh does it make you feel sharper and like oh yeah yeah it makes uh it makes me feel sharper um it makes me sleep better it's it resets your circadian rhythm which is really interesting they don't know why but it does reset your circadian rhythm since uh uh since the bag I got last time and I never noticed it before but this entire cuz I have real bad night tears and I've like kind of learned certain things that trigger like sugar if I eat a lot of desserted dinner I'm going to like literally get murdered in my dream and wake up three or four times like gasping for a uh so you know sometimes I'll stay away from the Cheesecake for that not always not always worth it don't have a cheesecake just depends on where I'm at right um but I've noticed this week that I've been getting solid sleep like and it was really the first time that I've ever noticed that it's been happening to me in my entire life and the only thing that I can you know say it could be is only thing I've done different is I've done NAD the last two weeks regularly a lot a lot of times once a month or once you know yeah now that I'm getting more on a regimen of it if you could do every I mean yeah every two weeks that's that's a good good dose do you know uh uh Jason Hollis uh he owns eth room yeah Hollis house yeah so you threw me off sorry sorry he he has a nasal spray he has an NAD nasal spray he told me about yeah he was saying something about that and so I'm going to try it I want to look at the bioavail availability of it um but it does make sense because it's going right you know right in your system um but uh my issue with NAD is it takes a long time and it's just like ozone it's hard to do all the time it sucks dude yeah I mean I I don't mind it that bad and then like I kind of find my it's kind of like we were talking about the other day it's kind of like a tattoo where you kind of start to Crave that pain right you know the effects you know you get a pretty piece of artwork on you or with the NAD you're just sharp and clear yeah and now I'm seeing the sleep for the first time man which is a GameChanger for me that is a game changer for you dude that's one of the reasons I didn't haven't quit smoking cigarettes is cuz I wake up frantic from these night tears from these CRA you know I'm going through some serious [ __ ] in my head in in my sleep and I'll wake up and have to smoke a cigarette to calm back down to go to sleep so that was one of the reasons that I hadn't quit smoking one of the reasons I was justifying not quitting cigarettes because it was you know it's became like routine and a crush that kind of helped me go back to sleep yep um because I can't do anything else you know I can't you ever tried the gum the Nicorette gum I haven't man so yeah try like every time you wake up just start chewing yeah had the gum next to your bed and knock it I used to dip and uh then I switched to the Nicorette gum and uh it's one of those things that I feel like I don't want to switch one for the other I just want to [ __ ] quit yeah but you know I I agree I feel you on that but think about the difference between putting smoke in your lungs versus chewing the nicotine you know I mean it's it's a big Health you know difference for you get clean off cigarettes for you know two or 3 months then come down and and see us in Mexico cuz 50% of IV cells go to the lungs oh wow it's really good D to trust him cells I've heard about it and you know not read in depth in it but I've been reading about it for a decade yeah right um yeah that's something I'd love to try yeah I mean dude yeah you're you're welcome to because I've done like PRP y right I've done some of those things i' i' love the ozone um that's like something that I'm passionate about is like cellular health yeah yeah it's it's uh it's almost everything my blood work done every six weeks make sure my test levels are nice and strong I could run through that wall head [ __ ] yeah U flip a car um but I just make sure that I'm firing on all cylinders you know and getting the most out of my body and you know cellular Health yeah well um you know uh you're welcome to come down any time I would recommend if you know it's easy for me to say Hey try not to smoke for a couple months but we could get a really good impact get those lungs have been clear for a little while and then you get those IVs in do and uh CU I plan on quitting I'm going to quit I'm not I'm not planning on I'm telling you I'm going to quit smoking cigarettes and uh as soon as I do I'll come down there and get that I would love that yeah man it's a it's a week long flying on a Sunday night uh we pick you up from uh San Diego actually um Monday morning and then take you down you you say at a hotel in in TJ but it's a weeklong program and you do NAD every day yeah you do ozone pretty much every day we got a six person eight person hyperic otion chamber oh wow do one of those I've never done oh man it's all all the things you've been reading about that it's like we got it I do the cold plunge I do the uh do the cryo you know like any any chance I get to to do that it's like my self Health time right absolutely um wait what about SAA you ever do uh did SAA today awesome s 30 minutes today yeah man infrared sauna for 30 minutes try to do it every chance I you ever you ever do the the dry SAA yeah yeah at the gym there's a so I have to drive across town to get find man that's the hard part about it I know I I wish I had I would put one in my house but at this point with six kids they don't have room I don't have an extra room I'd have to like pull one of my my office out and make that like a sauna room and I just haven't committed to it like that I just drive across town and and hit it but yeah I love uh all that sauna cold plunge man D I'm been saying I was going to get one for like the back porch even if I just start off with like a horse trough and and and Ice especially right now with the weather being cold I mean it's pretty much the temperature that you need yeah I want to build a little area at the house though where I can have that sauna cold plunge yeah make it easy yeah that's what we're doing over here we're uh Building A Little Spa uh upstairs it's going to have so I don't need to put one in my house now you just come here we got you yeah say you're welcome time SG by that's going to have sauna dry sauna you know Cal plunge uh wet sauna uh pulse electromagnetic fi machine I got a red light bed um before you leave I've been on here a while but uh I just got this uh in harmony sound Lounge where you lay down and the whole thing vibrates and you listen to these oh wow uh different frequencies and music it's pretty crazy actually I was skeptical but it's it's it's cool man it's the frequencies is a real thing y we were on this last tour and we had an off day we went to Mount Shasta yeah you ever been there uh no where's that California yeah so it's like I guess it's supposed to be I'm not I don't want to sound stupid because I'm not 100% sure but I feel like it's like the center point of gravity or something for the Earth and they say it's like the most spiritual place on the planet and so we went we did a spiritual guide spiritual tour right with this guy and he's like showing us he's like this is this Dimension and this and it is it's crazy like you feel it feel up there and you'll see like people from all different places like there were Muslims out there that were coming you know there's people that migrate here to to catch some of that energy and they had like the caves that they found the8 and a half n foot skeletons in the in in the mountain interesting yeah Mount Shasta yeah I've heard M Shasta I didn't know about it being like a spiritual place oh yeah and uh so then we did a thing afterwards where we did the cacao ceremony oh cool drank drank the Guatemalan chocolate how was that real it was crazy was it like a bunch of energy was you know uh I didn't I felt just like a super it's energy but it wasn't like peaceful peaceful peaceful and they did a like a sound bath and then you know yeah frequencies y yeah man oh it's real I mean you and then we like wrote down stuff it was my whole band and crew wrote down things we wanted to get rid of and threw in the fire right and then had to say like you know um some affirmations Y and then the sound bath and the caca it was cool it was a cool experience it's like a whole ceremony yeah yeah man that's awesome I've done similar things uh not with like a cow but like in uh Temple Salon Mexico I did IBO G there have you heard of IBO gain uhuh yeah so IBO gain it comes from the the tabernac abogar rout in Gabon Africa I actually did it to get off opiates man so 2008 I threw a tie kick and I tore my LCL PCL miniscus and we had team doctors and uh they prescribed me you know pain medication was taking them for a couple years I spent four years addicted to haikot yeah same thing exactly a lot of them and uh yeah so I went to I went to stop and I went through withdrawal had dealt with that for about six months trying to stop going through withdrawal trying to stop going through withdrawal and so I went to a therapist and I said you know I'm completely functional you know running my my businesses but I'd rather have a clear brain and deal with the pain than a foggy brain and no pain whatsoever and he said America's behind the times when it comes to opiate withdrawal Google IBO gain and I'm like Google IO gain and it said it supposedly stopped 100% opio withdrawal and um I didn't didn't really believe it watched a couple documentaries I was like I believe those people you know like they're they're not full of [ __ ] like there's got to be something to it you got hardcore heroin addicts you know doing eybog gain and experience experiencing no withdrawal and so I took a plane to uh Mexico and T Mexico I did IBO gain at A Place Called iboga Quest there they're actually still open great people um and uh I was home 72 hours later never draw never a craving haven't touched opiate since and um doesn't actually work on fentanyl unfortunately uh the synthetics doesn't well I shouldn't say that let me go back I don't know the protocols for that I I don't know if it it works I've heard different things but I haven't really study this stuff in a while but uh for heroin oxycotton um you know these short lasting opiates it works great and so I actually ran clinics down there for a while uh and you know uh was helping people get off of uh you know the opiates that's something that just wasn't it's not a that's just America right yeah well and it's you know it's actually gaining traction IBO gain's gaining traction right now Kentucky just passed uh something um this year actually uh kind of pushing it Forward um you know IBO gain it's probably the strongest psychedelic that there is oh wow it's like you know 24 to 36 hours deeply introspective um you you're you're four years old and your your dad's does maybe yells at you and you realize you're this way in life because of you know that taught you something uh that uh caused you to be the way you are or you're eight or you're 10 and it's like a movie of your life but long does that last uh that was a good that was probably a good 24 hours of that and you're still in it you know depending on how much they give you if they give you more but uh it's it's generally I think you know 24 to 36 hours is is is the range and um but I've never seen it not work on a shortl lasting opiate on the withdrawal I've seen people go back to it you have to want to stay sober there's nothing you can do to the person has to want it 100% you can get them clean you can give them all the support in the world till they're ready to change their life they're going to continue to go back yeah I've learned that the hard way absolutely but um yeah it's it's pretty interesting um um so yeah anytime you want to come to Mexico though you know you're always welcome we don't have ey gain there but we have stem cells and and uh definitely and some other stuff yeah as soon as I soon as I commit to that I'll let you know yeah that'll be good Lord knows I need my lungs yeah buddy you're going to be you're going to be a star here you know it's uh you got to have those lungs and um you know man we've been going a while I know I know we got a roll but um you're you're story is extremely inspirational it's inspirational to me and and I look up to you because you know the reason I wanted you to tell the the years is because I me I don't know what that's like what you went through but there's a lot of pain and struggle in there and you know you didn't quit you overcame the adversity you've come out the other side and you're wanting to help people yeah and you know that's that's admirable man and you know a lot it's an inspiration to a lot of people and so uh you know just know man like apprciate I respect you and a lot of people do and and we see what you've been through we see who you've become and you know you're you're a good human being and that's that's what's important man yeah man we made it we made it we made it baby God did that's right yeah um it's been a crazy Journey has been beautiful you know and I feel like the greatest gift I've been given is the one that I can give all right so like being able to give that back and the friends that I've lost the years that I lost the family members that I've lost for them to not die in vain something great has to come from all of this right so me telling that story and it helping bring people back helping save lives helping motivate or inspire people it makes all that [ __ ] not be in vain all the stuff that we went through all the the things that we've endured could so easily you know be just that yeah and instead now it gets to be a story of Triumph and um Redemption that helps people you know no absolutely I'm happy you know and I have purpose and I'm fulfilled you know there's plenty of times where wish or I I think you know uh you know uh maybe I need more you know but it's like I believe in God's timing and I believe in his will Matched with me putting the work in for the blessings that I've been given and that I'm going to you know I'm going to receive now that's awesome that is awesome well it's it's been a it's been interesting to hear the ride I actually I forgot to bring something up because I think that um Jelly's doing it as well making a big difference with his story have yall collaborated like talked about how together you're going to help oh yeah all these people I mean me and jelly have been best friends since 2004 20 years he slept on my couch for four or five years uh he went to jail um I went to jail you know went to prison um and we were there for each other like we've been through this whole ride together so watching him explode and reach the heights that he's reaching has just been so surreal and so amazing it's awesome you know and he's always like can you believe it I'm like yeah I can I'm watching it baby like I knew it you know even even when we didn't know it we still didn't give up yeah right and that's what separated us from a lot of other people you know it's just that perseverance and um you know he's been doing he's I'm I've still had a lot of red tape getting back into facilities because I'm on parole um but we've been working on it for years and you know soon I'll be able to go back into the actual prisons travel abroad more and be able to really uh take that to the next level but he's been able to you know go into jails and then you know we went back to CCA and did that concert for the inmates and then when we were on tour in Omaha Nebraska we uh he hit me up and was like Hey I'm going to go into a County Jail you want to go and so I went in got to tell my testimony to a bunch of guys and girls um then we performed together so yeah I mean that's that's definitely me and him's thing you know it's our it's our uh it's us giving back not only for all the second chances that we got but all the things that we took also you know like I don't I don't I don't have any like self-pity or or but I definitely you know did a lot in my life that hurt a lot of people yeah right and you know it makes me it makes it feel like it's not as it's not as much in vain yeah no absolutely it's absolutely and you you know you you both I mean it's so cool seeing two guys from Nashville that you know it reminds me of Nashville you remind me this is who we grew up with this is that that grit and that fight um standing up for what's right talking about God you know I mean people don't expect tattooed rappers to really you know they might say oh thank you got it to to break it down the the impact but we're only here because of of God and and his Mercy yeah you know me and jelly have we've buried a lot of friends um way before F all yeah you know violence and um so you know me and my family and him and his family were the ones that made it out the fire he did you know and uh it's kind of that the gift that we get to give back is to lead people from it that's right hey you don't got to walk through those Flames I know your feet hurting you know all you got to do is take a step away yeah and you're so relatable because you've you've you've lived it yeah you know like you know what it's like to be an addict you know what it's like to sell drugs you know what it's like to go to prison you're not just talking to the people that are experienced this youve had loved ones die of overdoses all the like you've lived it so the fact that you can you know connect with people and say look look at me now I'm still going through it yeah right it's still you know that's why I I redid the um uh Have You Ever Seen It Rain song me and my daughter did because it try it you know even though it may seem like we're living our best life right now that doesn't mean we're not still going through the storm yeah we just learned to dance in the rain you know that's beautiful like we're going to go through things and we're still going through things and as humans and as people like we're still we're never in the free and clear of tragedy or or hard times or you know obstacles like we're going to face those our whole life yeah it's just learning to deal with them take accountability and [ __ ] handle that [ __ ] yeah you know absolutely tackle it and and do it with a smile and be grateful for it right some people don't get the chance to feel even you know people don't I've got so many friends that died so young or you know I got a best friend that's been sitting in prison since he was 17 26 years right he he do get a chance to live so it's like quit complaining about traffic man roll the window down yeah breathe you know some people don't get to sit in the car and drive you know some people just be grateful even because if you fall in love with the journey MH you never what is what is the top you get somewhere you're going to sit no like you're going to find the next mountain to climb right absolutely and knowing that then you know you're going to continue to go through struggles you're going to continue to go through obstacles and and fall in love with that instead of looking at an obstacle as something that's slowing you down look at it as a puzzle figure out how to get around it yeah absolutely are you cool if we go another 15 minutes I want sorry I was trying to respect time I just want uh there's a couple things I didn't we didn't actually talk about cuz we just started talking yeah um your daughter does music with you yeah and was that which daughter is that she was one when you had had her when you were 18 you said yep that's what I had her when I was 19 found out I was she was pregnant when I was 18 what's that been like you know cuz I dude she's my riter man so she's she is um been Daddy's girl since day one you know and she's got that real deal story and grit herself her mom was a stripper dad was a drug dealer we both did prison time you know um she persevered through her own tragedies and and struggles when I came home from prison I was 13 I was 12 um when I she was 12 when I went and uh I came home she was 16 about to be 17 and she was going to school high school working two jobs hustling kind of following the same path I did and immediately when I got home she was just like right back with Daddy you know and that led to her coming out on the road with me and then her coming to the studio with me and I always knew she could sing but she was like really shy in front of me and then I wrote the song called Bad Company and I was like hey I need you to just sing background vocals they're not even barely going to hear you right and she went in there and it was me and Mike hardnet and uh we're looking there while she's recording we're like holy [ __ ] she's good right and so then we turned her up got her to sing another verse and we released the song number one on the blues charts first thing she ever did and so then she caught the bug and we just released a new single called um catch you when you fall that's it's a hard string puller um I had the song and it was kind of an apology to it right it was like um sorry I didn't do better you know it's okay look where we are I could blame it on the weather or how life's been so hard I could have done more to be who you needed yeah I dropped the ball I hit rock bottom but I'm here to catch you if you fall that's beautiful and uh she came in with her verse and I had I didn't know what she was going to write or anything I was just like I just want you to get on the song with me and I was literally in the studio just balling crying when I came in there and heard her verse cuz it was just so you know how she feels and uh she started it off with um uh I I I never cared about the fame I just wanted an outlet to relate to you you know and I was just like yeah and she's you know she's that exact like she'll never sign to a record label she doesn't she loves making music but she doesn't care about any of it as far as she she cares about it right but she's like she doesn't really um she's not going to ever Bend or change who she is I can't even put a mix on a song If like we mix it too much she's like no Take that off I like it the way we recorded it it's like it's a demo girl like let us produce This Record she's like no I like it like that so she's you know she's got her own thing and she's the one of the coolest dressed women I've ever seen in my life Cowboy boo she's got this bright orange hair with the matching Mustang and that's way too fast I can't believe that I let her get it she literally just total her Mustang oh man and then I I'm like okay well let me help you get another one m and she goes and finds one that has 850 horsepower faster than one she total Yeah well yeah maybe she'll learned from the first wreck you know she said she did she said she wasn't going to do that anymore what's it like her her going on the road with you what's that been like it's amazing man the whole Journey's been great watching her coming to her own as an artist and find herself find her voice find her identity you know um it's so rewarding and so um she's got such an old soul that it's just it's something so much needed and so not new because it's it's like a old s sound but it's you don't hear it anymore you know just the pain in her voice and the tone and how she sings and what she sings about she's just incredible and I I think she has a long very very big career ahead of her she's still young so she's you like I said she you know she's makes her own lip gloss and all organic lip gloss and she'll do a drop every couple like every month and it'll like sell out in 10 minutes that's awesome you know and then she just takes that money and goes buys more and makes it right um we're actually going to release another project in January because we did an album together at daddy daughter EP called sunny days and it's coming up on the 5year mark of it so we're going to do another one and just surprise the fans with it that's all awesome be cool but when you got out and she came right back to you you know she said she was doing her her thing for a minute and then yeah was that a big relief was that just like I can Imad yeah I mean she rode with me the whole time I was in there like she came to visit me every time she could get a ride um she would always call me I I used to think she was going to get my cell swarmed cuz she would always say I'm coming to break you out shut up listening yeah already knew that guess that she was going to be there but um but it was it was a relief and it was a lot of pressure too because she wasn't and like I said she was following in my path M and I remember one of the first days that I was out she called me like is anybody at the studio I was like no no why and she was like can I pull around back I was like yeah she come and I'm in a federal halfway house with an ankle bracelet on she comes flying up in the back of the studio and I'm like what are you doing she's like I just ran from the police they tried to pull me over I license I'm like 3 days out of prison I'm like girl I they were about to get surrounded I'm F to have to you know hide my daughter out um but you know so but watching me be that man that I said I was going to be and lead by example she fell right into place that's awesome you know and I've kind of figured out that's that's really what parenting is all right you got to be honest with them tell them what you've been through tell them how it affected you right then you got to lead by example and show them that what you're saying isn't [ __ ] and you just got to be there to catch them when they make their own mistakes because they're going to do it yeah man well you're a good father man good man I love hearing the story I try man it's it's it's good man it's freaking good more people need to to hear your story and uh yeah man just keep it keep it going because there's so much [ __ ] fake oh so much stuff out there yeah and so few people have actually lived through the experience you have you know or even something even close to it and so the fact that you can come out the other side I me I was locked up for a while and you know I've got a lot of friends that are dead too man I think about over the years in those circles and um you were in it a lot longer than I was I had a little short stint you know High School it doesn't matter how long you've been in there how long did it take for you to figure it out yeah you know I feel like it's kind of one of those things like um the old saying you know God doesn't give us more than we can not bear you know what handle yeah yeah um some people get it in a 24-hour lockup some people do 20 years and still don't figure it out yeah you know so I definitely figured it definitely figured out where I didn't want to be and that's one of my favorite things is when these people would be like how you forgot where you came from I didn't forget where I came I remember and I ain't going back that's right right and or you changed uh yeah of course I evolved yeah right I'm supposed to change I didn't change who I am I didn't change my morals my values I'll show up and help anybody that needs help at any time but if you want to come see me you're not going to find me in the hood right now you're going to find me at the gym or the studio yeah you're more than willing or more than welcome to come hang out yeah if you want to come get this lift in y come on down they they run from that oh what you doing today legs yeah exactly what day do you do arms never legs yeah yeah no it's been beautiful man it's it's been a uh an incredible ride and I'm thankful and grateful to be here and be able to have the chance to come on your show and you know share a little bit of it and we have to do it again yeah absolutely I I I could make this thing like four hours long I'm like really but but uh we should do a part two and and wrap some more cuz I I'm I've actually already had other things that I want to talk about I'm like oh but we got to do it again and and we'll knock it out so well struggle thank you brother I appreciate you and I'm proud of you being from Nashville and what you've done man thank you man likewise thanks