what is that like going a couple hundred miles an hour racing people it feels slow really yeah I think it's therapeutic what's it like though when you're actually wrecking I mean is there fear it's not fear you're more pissed off than anything you can't really be super nice to these people I see cuz we're literally about to go race each other and if I put you into the wall you put me into the wall we're not friends anymore in racing we have those things that like distinguish a man from a girl racing we have better peripheral vision we have better reflex times the men they think less and I think that hurts the girls I had my own mental health problems nobody talks about it in NASCAR because everyone wants to come off as the badass cuz it's a very badass Sport and it's very like Cutthroat but it's like knowing the drivers on a closer level they all have something going on Logan misaka welcome to the podcast thank you so much for having me yeah thanks for coming so you're you're somewhat new to Nashville 6 months you were you were saying yep I leave moved here last September kind of on a quicky just rash decision just moved out here nice what what brought you out here I mean one it's closer to North Carolina and that's where I have to go to commute for racing and go there for NASCAR stuff which I'm sure I'll get into later but uh also I got engaged so I moved here with my fiance okay right on and how are you liking it I like it I don't really leave the four walls of my house cuz it's just it's a hike to get like anywhere down here I want to stay away from the traffic and what it's become but we make it work you ever go down to Broadway before I moved here I would go to Broadway now living here I'm like I'm staying the heck away stay as far away from Broadway as I can yeah I still kind of enjoy it uh you know I'll ride my I got electric bikes and ride my electric bike and bring some friends along and zoom around but uh fun don't have to deal with the traffic yeah I'd rather go like before the 3:00 crowd comes in so anytime breakfast to brunch all yeah I'll go hang it's not not a bad time that's true uh so you're a race car driver how would you describe yourself in the in the uh like race car community so if we were like writing my bi A Logan Baka professional NASCAR driver in the Arkham Menard's truck series or Arham Menards and truck series okay yes and um you what's the goal with that like what's uh if you were to say you know my dream one day is to have done X Y or Z what would that be I mean I think the eventual goal is to be racing on Sundays which is the highest class it's the Cup Series so going out there racing against prestigious names like I mean Dale Junior's out but that's the most that everybody really knows uh you have Denny Hamlin Kyle Larson Kyle Bush all those big names so that would be the ultimate goal in the racing careers to make it to racing on Sundays um but outside I mean of course we have other goals and just like inspire ing the younger crowd the females coming up being a female in such a male-dominated sport um and just kind of creating like a good role model platform for them to look up to yeah how how many other uh women are there in uh NASCAR there are only five of us there only five of you yeah okay and are they uh in different series or how does that work some of us are in different series there's three of us in ARCA and two in Xfinity right now I see yeah and do all the race car drivers are they all like going for the five women and and race car driv all like we're all we're all figuring out the quickest way to get to the top before the other I mean it's kind of cutthroat at times especially against us girls but I mean we're going against a bunch of boys too so it's not really just hammering down on the girls all the time but we're all trying in our own way to get to the top and whoever gets there I mean it doesn't even really matter who's the fastest to get there but whoever performs the best when we're there well I was saying too are all the men though in the sport are they all trying to like see who dates the five NASCAR drivers I mean I can only imagine oh yeah you it's a lot of testosterone they're like oh there's you know Logan I think that was more so like the younger like when we were like more at the amateur level like that's kind of like the biggest worry that we had to worry about like all the boys wanting to date the girl driver whatever but I think since we've gotten to this point being in NASCAR it's more handled as a business so I mean yes you get some this there and the other that try to like oh hey it's like no I'm here to do the same thing as you here be yeah I'm here to beat you like there's there's no no thank you so now it's more so really not that bad of an issue plus we're kind of we're not the nicest people no well I mean you kind of you can't really be super nice to these people I see you can't be all like oh hey how's it going you want to go out to dinner you want to go like hang out let's go hang out on the weekends cuz we're literally about to go race other and if I put you into the wall you put me into the wall we're not friends anymore right so it's best to keep like yes we're friendly we're cordial but keep a healthy distance to Where it doesn't just blow up and cause more drama yeah so how did you get even involved in in race car driving uh my dad races uh he races 360 sprint cars on dirt I don't know if you've seen those before and then his dad raced his dad's dad raced up in Long Island New York so it kind of just ran in the bloodline and I they were blessed with a daughter instead of a misera so okay when did you when did you start racing when I was four okay what was that those go-karts little quarter midgets it's like maybe this tall and you're in a full roll cage and you're going maybe like 25 M an hour and that's it but I mean four-year-olds get competitive yeah I mean at four I was super competitive at four yeah we I think we were meaner at four years old than we are now cuz we didn't really know what pain was or fear we were just driving it in there didn't care if we've wrecked or anything so we were more Reckless then what what was it like so you're you're for you're doing um one type of racing like how do you step up as a as a child so my story was a little different I I started at 4 yes and then I'd be at the RAC track every single week going with my dad um but as I grew up mom wanted me to be her dancer she wanted me to be the ballerina of the house focus on Dancing so I was a competitive dancer from 3 years old till I was 18 years old old so that was like my full-time thing that was my passion that's what I was like 100% into um I would still race on the side like here and there but I never really took it serious cuz like I didn't see a life of that After High School just because I knew my dad didn't really have much success in making a career out of it it was more of a hobby I didn't really want to make a career out of dance either I just it was just kind of cave time and I was really good at it and once I turned 17 is when I was like I want to do this every single week weekend I got burned out on dancing and wanted to go racing all the time so ever since then is when we stepped into Legend cars which was more so it was way more competitive you have a crowd of people that are more your age that have been doing it all their life me I'd done it all my life but not like super competitively super actively working on my racecraft from there I stepped up to late models then into NASCAR so it takes longer than other like it's all it's all money mhm so it'll take longer for other people than some people people to move up cuz you have to have sponsors to fund you or parents money backing you to like really grow up the rank so some people can do it quicker than others I was lucky enough to find sponsors when I was at a very young age I was just I was very good in front of the camera is very good like talking to people and I think I got that from the dancing side of like putting on a show for everybody yeah so I was able to really work the business side of things and get sponsors and start making big deals here and there so what is the cost of something so like you know I'm sure every level costs more so give us an example from where you started to the next series cost this the next series and then if you want to go to NASCAR it cost that so with we'll start with Legends when I really got into it that would be maybe $1,000 a weekend like nothing to us and that would just cover like tires having the teamwork on your car once I got to late models and it grew to like six s $8,000 still healthy like still not horrible that's a week though that's that's a just one weekend that is one day going out for the race you get there at 11 o'clock you practice you race you're done that was eight grand wow um then once you get to the Arkham andard series is when it starts really getting steep then you have teams that are sometimes charging 3040 $50,000 and then you have the higher up teams charging $1 $150,000 and when they're charging what does that mean so I would pay them the let's just say $100,000 to go racing for that weekend they would provide me the car it'd be fully set up ready to go exactly how I need it I would go to the shop get test like make sure I fit in the seat they do everything my only job is to show up drive the car and walk away okay so I'm paying them to bring it to the track crew my car be the ones that like Get over pit wall change my tires all of that stuff handle it's still overpriced for what it should be I get the value I get the what they're trying to do here but it's like for the people that are really talented in racing they can't get into it because they don't have the money to go do that and show that off um and then you have people in like truck series or Cup Series you're paying upward of still 150 to maybe 300 Grand what's the difference between the previous one the 30 to 100,000 like what's the difference between paying 30,000,000 equipment if they have better equipment or better Racing Equipment than you do car faster car okay so you're you're paying for the speed of your car exactly okay and there's a noticeable difference between a $30,000 car and a$ 100,000 car I wouldn't even say it's more so the speed of the car because they all say that like the cars are the same speed whatever but it's more so the resources they have behind the car to set it up to be either perfect or they have more money to spend on the most expensive parts to put into that car that make it faster or if they have a good track record of winning races multiple multiple times they're going to up their price see yeah so then people walking in know okay if I go to this team and pay this price there's a big chance I will win yeah so that's kind of the Teeter Totter that you're trying to play like do I just want to go out there and race and run mid pack to the back or do I want to go out there and have a shot at winning and pay why would Mone why would you just go out there and race and and spend money uh just to do it I mean other than you got to make money doing it right yes um the sponsorship deals the way they're formatted is yes they're helping me fund my racing but outside of the racetrack they're not just a photo on the car to me I'm not putting them on a car on the car as a sticker as everyone watches NASCAR they just see the decals on the car we're doing a lot of things behind the scenes to help that business I see like I always say 99% of racing is all business the 1% is actually going out there driving fast and turning left like there's so much stuff behind the scenes to give them their Roi that they exactly need and then me as basically the face of their company going up to these other businesses brokering deals with other businesses to pull my business into their deals yeah so that's how they'll get their money worth but the reason we do it is we want to that's what you have to do yeah so I mean the money above what the race car cost is your profit per se right that goes okay right and so as you move up how is has it been getting getting sponsors it's it's not easy um I think as you move up to where like yes there's more people watching you on TV you're now on FS1 where it became a little bit easier what's FS one Fox Sports okay yeah Fox Sports One um once you're Racing for like in a grand audience who's watching at home you have huge tracks like Daytona Talladega that's like everyone wants to go to we have the seats filled of like 200,000 people so once you reach that level it's easier to convince them like hey your money is going to be put to good use you're going to be in front of all of these people in just one hour MH and then there's a bunch of other things and incentives we can put behind their deal to make it worth it for them that also works in my favor um it it hasn't gotten easier I thought it would by going up but also the price is going up so it's going to get harder so it kind of just levels out um when I was racing at a younger level to ask someone hey can I just have $1 thousand dollar so I can go run this like also I'm a cute little kid at that point where I'm like please right of course here's the check like that was easy now it's like you're talking real money you're talking real business deals and it gets a little more complicated yeah so you're you're in the where it's $30 to $100,000 every every race right right so um like what car do you pick is it based off I me are you going with the yeah so that's where you have to cuz say you you approach a sponsor and their budget's much lower than what the race would cost if you wanted to go with the best team you would have to go with a lower team um not exactly a lower team but a lower budgeted team and do you take that risk of now it's my reputation on the line do I take the chance of going out there to where the grand World sees me running in the back and just thinks oh she's just another driver that comes with a pretty face and can't drive uhhuh um or do I wait until that money sums up sorry I can't take your budget right now we'll revisit it and then put two businesses together to go racing with a higher budgeted team I see to where but that can also mess me over because if I'm going with a higher budgeted team and everybody knows they're a great team and I don't perform well yeah it's hurting my reputation too yeah that's what it's about though like are you ready or are you not exactly and so you know ultimately I would think that if money weren't an issue you'd want the best car every time and you would be testing yourself as a competitive athlete to see to see where you stand where do you think you stand right now I think I'm pretty good yeah I think I stand really pretty I I don't think I've had many opportunities to really show exactly what I'm capable of I know what I'm capable of I have many title championships under my belt Rookie of the Year at like a very good short track that's local in Florida like I've proven myself to me like I know I know what I can do but I haven't really been able to show everyone else what I can do because I don't have the huge budget I not able to pick the high team which I just signed a deal I'm going with a very very good team Bristol September um but I haven't had that in the past to really be able to show exactly what I'm capable of and of showing that I can do when you are going with like a uh a higher team so you got Bristol and wi September Bristol and September so that's an opportunity for you right so I would guess like right now you're focused on you know you're thinking about Bristol in September you're like this is an opportunity yep I've got to perform yeah don't blow it exactly and um so what do what do you do to get prepared for something like that we have I it's called iRacing it's a simulator so you're literally sitting in a roll cage wraparound screens around you you can play with the setup you can play with everything and you just drive the track without you have an escape button yeah you don't have to worry about paying for the car to get fixed sure so we run that like crazy obviously gym time you'll always obviously need to be in the gym I'll probably start worrying about that more more so getting closer to the race making sure I'm like cardio there I mean I'm I'm okay but when it comes to like the normal training then I'll go to the team talk with the crew chiefs see what they've had in the past what their D shows in the past that they've had issues with or where they're really Excel so I can customize that to my racecraft in my racing strategy I see cuz a lot of us have different racing Styles okay so yeah give me an example of of that so um we'll use like a short track for example where a lot of people will like to be on the throttle longer jam on the brake as hard as they can to slow that car down which they'll be on the brake a little bit longer rather than somebody who lets off a little bit sooner doesn't use as much Brak and has more momentum in the corner but the car reacts way differently to those two different styles yeah depending on how it's tuned exctly so the Spring setups would have to be okay well I like to break less let off a little bit sooner to have a greater momentum to get a good carry off my spring ratio needs to be set up to where it doesn't dive the car forward to where my car is just scooting up the track I see it's all setup wise what what's your race style let off earlyer brake less okay yeah I like to have a carry better momentum to turn the car in the corner and get back to the guest sooner okay yeah interesting so when you're out there competing against all these men you know are they uh in the back of their mind are they not wanting to lose to a woman again I we found issues with that more so in the beginning of me racing now it's we all have the same level of respect towards each other CU we all work our butts off outside the track to get there get the money to go there we all know it's not cheap MH we all know we can't really just wreck into each other for not having a good day cuz you're going to charge yourself another 50k or you're going to charge them 50k and it's just it's not going to help because you're literally like don't leave crumbs you're literally going to have to see them next weekend and something's going to happen of course and the boys back of their head they don't want to get beat by the girl right so I think if it were up to it and we were competing for the win first and second place they're going to do something to get you out of the way I see I mean that's just the craft of a man no offense ah hey it's no n off taken what um you know if you wreck then what happens to the car like do you have to pay more is there like how does that work it depends um it depends on the team sometimes there's a crash Clause put in place um sometimes there's not sometimes you can literally just walk away from the car even if you tumbled it eight times down the backstretch it all depends on the team that you go with I see um and then the deal that you negotiate or there may be like a cap of like okay you'll only have to pay up to this much of an amount if you do this and then don't worry about the rest I see it all depends on the team okay yeah uh I mean I I would guess yeah that's interesting I would guess that it would obviously cost more um if you if you wrecked cuz they got to fix the car but exactly if there's Clauses in there that's that's good yeah um so you've got your race coming up in September you're focused on that it's a big opportunity for for you uh obviously the goals always winning yeah but what would be a good showing for you I think a top I don't even like to say top 10 because I think if you're in 10th place and you say you get a top 10 I don't think that's the best I'd rather get a top eight M so a top eight I think is really good I think we're in a good position to be able to pull that off um again it's a new team I haven't really worked with so we really have to thank God we have time until September to where I can build a relationship with the team they understand how I am I understand how they are especially with like a spotter which is the guy up top telling us if there's cars around us okay and if we're going to like wreck or anything or if there's a wreck ahead they're the ones so it's it's important to build that trust Before the Race I see um and just really working on how they operate personalities I have a really big personality when I get to the racetrack mellowing those out trying to figure that out when you say big personality what do you mean I'm just I don't know I was caught on camera last year doing the YMCA down Pit Road oh I see on a rain delay and it's just anytime I'm talking to people it's just like I'll say things that I probably shouldn't yeah I like to over talk overshare so it's kind of keeping that down plus they don't know how to take me because they're used to these boys that are just like oh I'm so badass Cutthroat like let's just go do this whatever right and then I'm just the the girl yeah so I mean I'm not going to get rid of my girl right of course not so they don't know how to handle me especially as a girl because they can't say the same things to me that they would to one of the guys so you're saying there's actually a different between men and women I guess so I mean I think it's like you know I think there's debate now cuz you know I could just say I've always thought about kind was I was a professional fighter a long time ago and uh train Fighters after that and I was like man I'm 42 now I could come back as a woman and be the best woman fighter of all time I'd be like the just the the UFC champion over here oh yeah just say this is how I you know this is how I I I identify and now I'm now I'm a a woman can happen do you believe that I mean they they're doing a a lot of those things in everything too and it's like more power to you do whatever that you deem fit for yourself I have no part of it I don't I mean but if you were a let's say that you were a swimmer yeah and You' worked your butt off you know and there there are physical attributes that men have that women don't have for sure um you know something like uh racing cars you know it's a lot of your brain yeah it's not quite as like you don't have to use your muscles let's just say well even in racing we have those things that like distinguish a man from a girl racing and it's like they have more on the girl side we have better peripheral vision we have better reflex times than the men do the men have more I wouldn't even say it's less fear but they don't get they think less and I think that hurts the girls interesting yeah it hurts the girls they think less they just do and that's just known out of everything men just they think less and just do it sure the girls we think about everything before we make that next move but sometimes that messes us over because we're thinking too long we should have made that move and we could have won the race if we would have made the move the men just do it they don't care if they're going to wreck they don't care if what's going to happen right we're too calculated and I think that hurts us at times interesting so it's kind of so what's the strength though what did you say the the you would say that you're you have a faster we have better reflexes and we have better peripheral vision that's proven our eyes can see further that's how my girlfriend always catches me doing things yeah he's like I saw you why did you just look at us she's really cool she does never say that but um I have had girlfriends that have have had that really good peripheral vision and they they've smacked me for it so interesting a science see we're learning sence we're learning about those things today what do your parents think of uh you know your your your career they love go Ambitions my mother my very first race threw up in the bleachers o yeah that was great um she's gotten into it now now she's the crazy psycho race mom that is wanting to fight people if they even hit my car so now she's really into it she doesn't really worry about me getting hurt anymore in the beginning it was all about her little ballerina getting hurt now it's more so she's just heavy into it that's good and of course dad's proud because I'm living the dream that he always wanted to live and I was able to break through and do it yeah and he thought I'm not saying for sure he thought this when when you were born but it's like oh I've got a girl she's not going to want to race like that exactly and plus especially being married to my mother she was like nope she's not racing she's not getting hurt cuz she had seen my dad flip get hurt break both of his ankles break bones like so of course she do a Wonder daughter doing that so he probably thought there was no shot that I would ever be like hey I actually want to go drive race cars yeah I can relate a bit my both my dad and uncle were Boxers and then my dad used to race boats um which pretty wild sport too and um you know my my mom was like you're never going to box and you know then uh when I was 13 they finally allowed me to start start boxing which was which was fun and they're like you're never going to fight MMA like we don't want you doing this I'm like oh I'm I'm going to do this oh I'm going to do it yeah and then they had to get used to it you know watching it in the stands but you know if you got good parents there's nothing like having the support of your parents and doing it it's a lot more fun um when you're successful because you know all the sacrifices that they've done for you growing up and all the I'm sure your parents were at every race and you know they're as much a part of it as as you are in many ways yep even in dancing is like something that they knew I wasn't really wanting to do the rest of my life they would show up to every single dance event they would sit through the 4-Hour dance recital mhm not even watching kids that weren't even their own just watching randoms until I came up so they've been really supportive throughout it and it was just getting them past the few big Milestones now it's all easy sailing they understand it they like no I'm not going to get hurt like I remember my first race of Daytona my mom was freaking out again and that was last year last February and I mean you're going 200 M hour around 40 cars and this was like my first big nasar car event sure and so she's freaking out I think my dad freaked out more than my mother though the one who has raced his entire life and Mom's like no she's got it maybe no she's got it she can do it and I had no worry in the world because I've driven Daytona plenty of times over just doing ride alongs at the track I take people for rides at like 180 mph so I'm like I'm used to that track yeah so I was like I'm fine I don't know why you guys are freaking out they're like you should be nervous yeah you're like no yeah that was a breeze that what is that like going a couple hundred miles now or racing people it feels slow really yeah so I would say short tracks feel way more chaotic like when they're shorter in length the big super Speedways where you're actually hitting about 200 to 207 miles an hour your frames and your eyes are almost it's too fast for your brain to respond to so it's moving so slow and the car just like Mellows out because now your car is like zoning into the cars around you so it's almost canceling out the noise I think it's therapetic it's very meditative until something starts to happen but even when the wreck happens the wreck is happening in slow motion in your brain your body no because you'll be like okay I'm Wrecking but I can't physically do anything yet because my brain already knows but my body is not moving yet because the channel isn't responding quick enough whatever but so you know everything that's happening as it's happening it's not like oh my God it just happened so fast it's like no it went really slow actually yeah that makes sense s was with fighting in many ways it's like everything is happening really fast but it kind of all slows down and even when you're getting punched people like does it hurt like no actually you don't feel anything adrenaline you know sometimes I you get kicked in the leg enough it hurts but you know the face stuff never really never really hurts at all um you know maybe if you if you're to break your nose or something like that but you don't feel anything I would I've never been punched in the face i' would like to never be so that's good well I mean I hope you never get punched in the face is an organized you know boxing training or something like that with a head gear that's the best way but um yeah I can relate to that what's it like though like when you're actually wrecking I know you said it goes slow but do I mean is there fear it's not fear you're more pissed off than anything oh yeah more so that now the race is over you just put all of this work into being there yeah and when it's your fault of of course you're really down yourself but it's worse when it's someone else that wrecked and there was nothing that you could do and it's like you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time yeah like if it were my fault I'd rather just take accountability for it and then whatever I can go home and work on it yeah and I actually know but when it's taken away by say there's an a car pile up in front of me and there's nowhere I can go and then I'm taken out it's like huh yeah what's going on here or when it happens in the beginning of the Race's worst you did all of this and then you have like the first five 10 lap and you're out you think that like you know cuz you have this big race in September uh you think that when you're out there driving that possibly affects you at the beginning because you're just wanting to make sure you don't screw up um it affected me more so even in late models cuz I have a late model race coming up and it's like I know if I wreck the car I'm going to have to pay for it so it's like I want to do everything in my power not to wreck the car which is hurting me from going out there and driving to the best of my ability to win because I still have that slight fear that I'm going to wreck and have to pay for it I see um but if I knew money wasn't an item I'd go out there and probably win more races than I ever have just knowing like the fear of costing your business money isn't there I see yeah but isn't that part of taking a risk because ultimately if you race hard and I say hard I don't know much about racing but I'm thinking you race hard you fight hard those Ty of things you race hard um you have a better opportunity yeah to be successful in the end yeah I mean it's taking that risk right it's easier said than done because especially when you're a part part-time driver like me where it's like I don't have another big chance until Bristol in September I don't know when the next one is after that so it's like I have one shot to do this and if I go out there and just race super hard the first five 10 laps one that sponsor may not return I don't know when the next race is going to be they may not return white performance they didn't get the best Roi but if you race hard though for wait well if I race hard the first five laps and I wreck out wreck it sorry I missed that part yeah okay got so if I go out there race super hard and wreck it into the wall they're not getting that TV time that I told them that they would have I see so it's like how much is that that that race coming up like what's that going to cost you if you wreck that I can't say what's that you can't say I can't say that one I'm asking you know we're a big sponsor for the UFC so I'm like how you know we'll talk after well when if never I won't wreck it yeah but God forbid something happens it's more so no I still can't say never mind yeah no I understand there's reasons you can't say right now no no worries and I'm never trying to get you to say something you you know I I don't want that happen for you um but yeah it'd be interesting like you know what you're saying uh because I've never thought about it from a race car driver perspective I didn't understand kind of how it worked but if you're always somewhat concerned with wrecking because of you know I say lack of money it's not mean you obviously have money but it costs so much to do this right um You might not be able to give your best performance every time exactly yeah yeah and so people with a good amount of money uh or even more money have a better uh shot of being successful because they don't have the they don't have to worry about the money interesting yeah yeah they can go run hard every sing they they want yeah cuz then they got the pocketbook behind them either from their parents or whatever that can just hand it over to the team here you go fix it see you next weekend yeah it's not like that for me no I get it I mean that's it's a I was raised uh without a lot of money growing up my my parents could have never afforded $1,000 a week yeah I mean that would have been uh yeah there's just no way so I can uh I can really understand you know what that's like i' I've looked at it like in business and just kind of success overall uh that lack though the not having is always driven me to work harder right you know it's like uh I mean it would be interesting to see what someone like you could do if you're able to run you know hard every single time and uh and give it 110% be interesting too this next race you know you've got the big one coming up in September yep run hard at this thing and see what happens see what happens I mean I'm going out there I don't I don't have a care in the world for the money at this point I just I need to go out there and prove it at this point because of what last year did so what happened last year I the last race I was in we had a wiring problem caught on fire hit the wall on lap four yeah when you say did the wiring problem cause you to hit the wall well that caused the fire which caused me to hit oh the fire happened he hit the wall yeah I see yeah oh that's that's not your fault Yeah well yeah I know but it's like that was four laps I just had someone pay heavy amount of money for this and then things happen they get a sour taste in their mouth and then it's like well don't know the next time I'm going to go racing yeah so I mean there's not many of us who were able to make it from the class that I'm coming from to get up to where I am a lot of them are from very wealthy families very wealthy like parents who own businesses I can just put their name on the car and go racing every weekend CU they're grooming their kids to do this and that's all they're focusing on right and then there's us who my parents still live in the same house as when I was born and it's like they still struggle to make payments on their house MH they did everything they could to provide for me to make sure I could do whatever I wanted to do whether that be dancing or racing sure so I think mine's a totally different narrative because it's a lot of the drivers don't have that fear of going out and Wrecking and costing themselves money I do yeah because also I don't think a lot of them value a dollar right like people who don't really come from money value dollar so it'll be interesting to see if and that's kind of what I want to show is someone who doesn't come from money can still make it in a very monetarily driven sport yeah so yeah it's a it's it's an expensive sport it's expensive hobby for somebody to pick up as a kid very yeah you know you had the the genan from your dad that was like I want to be a driver yeah but uh doesn't make it any cheaper yes I mean I feel like if people were doing it as a hobby and made it to NASCAR as a hobby it's kind of what are you doing right now if you're doing it to make a career out of it yes sure then it it'll pay off in the end cuz you're doing that as like that's your number one lie of things there's some people that go out there and just like I just want to race this weekend let's just go out there and I'm like I wish yeah I wish I got to get a paycheck by the end of this right of course so it's balancing making enough money to where I can live pay my own bills go racing and do what I love still working on my racecraft to be the best driver I know I can be and then all the business stuff for sponsors yeah so Absolut what type of sponsors do you have I have clean Harbor's environmental now they're an environmental company they own safety clean Performance Plus oil a lot of other things that have to do with oil cleanup restoration and like big disaster relief things yeah nice so when you go out and look for sponsors like what's what's the pitch it's different for every single sponsor um if you like if you're going after a product obviously it'd be something as okay we're going to show the label you're going to have the thing on the car you have more so of social media side of things now if it's a big business like Clean Harbors we're brokering more businesso business stuff for them um but the biggest thing I can sell is just it's myself yeah so how can I talk about your business how can I do this for you whether it be content creation social media side of things uh what can I do to really help you yeah um and then just showing that in the way that my values match their values so I'm not going to pitch a company that I know our values don't align sure so if there's some sort of business that is showing something very nude or like runchy and stuff like that like no yeah right like even if they offered me like here's thousands of thousands of thousands of dollars I can't do that in good faith because I'd be lying to you yeah so that makes sense I mean you're coming up how old are you right now 25 I'll be 25 in a week okay okay I hate saying that that's okay it's not it's not that old listen how do you think I feel at 42 now it's different though once you hit that 24 to 25 you hit that I hit how did you feel knowing like oh my gosh 25 care I didn't didn't bother me at all women like older men generally so9 there you go see so for me I was like I just need to get above 30 yeah you know and uh I'll have a better shot at at some of the the women that I like it'll help you yeah exactly so I mean that's where I was coming from but we like to stay young yeah there you go yes um yeah I mean it's it's interesting though overall being in a sport that it really is the amount of money someone has kind of dictates um not really fully their success because there's obviously uh other aspects but it really really yeah helps them yes be it helps them get to where they need to go with no real issue for sure um which is hard to like go out there and race against people that don't really understand what it actually takes to go out there cuz they don't know what their parents are doing behind closed doors to really make this money for them to go out racing so they'll go out there carelessly wrecking out the whole field cuz they don't care they get to go pack up and go home but you just took out my car yeah and I just had to work overtime sleepless nights sending out thousands of thousands of emails to just get one one response saying no right and it's like you have no idea of what the work to put into this actually could be for you because you have it so easy yeah it's a little little entitlement yeah yeah I'm sure you see that I mean it's it sounds like a sportful of rich people so you got that uh so imagine being the broke one trying to make it in a rich man's SW I get it no it's you know fighting wasn't really like that it wasn't really a Rich Man sport you know you get a lot of a lot of different walk of life but you know there's um I remember being in gyms in Washington DC I mean in the ghetto I was the only white dude you know they're like what is he doing walking through here but luckily I was with the right people but um you know and I actually feel more at home with people without as much money as I do with uh especially the the wealthier people that think they're better than everybody else that's it's like you know there's a lot of wealthy people that have worked as entrepreneurs and worked their way up but it generally is the kids you know that whose parents were well off yeah that it doesn't mean all kids with parents well off aren't are like that but you the ones that are the cocky ones right are the ones that uh you you're like what is going on here and especially at the race check there are some humble ones that really are grateful for what their parents have given or what opportunity up been because it does it doesn't even always have to be the parents it can just be their dad's buddy owns a business they're very close they're sponsoring the car there's some people that are very humble about it and then there's some people that really just slam it in your face and they just don't care it's just the first one of the checkered flag first one up the ranks to The Cup Series I see and I I don't expect them to care I don't need your respect I don't need you to pity me I don't care I don't talk about it I'm like whatever I'm out here to race just like you are we're on the same playing field as soon as we put the helmet on I'm not me you're not you we're just drivers yeah and the car is the car but it behind closed doors yeah it kind of pisses you off yeah no yeah I get it I mean ultimately it's like that anything though in a way where you have you know you have especially well so America's not as bad I've lived in four different countries and uh there's a lot of classism in uh you know other countries a lot more than you know the US actually but you know and there's good people in every demographic good and bad people and every demographic it just um you know I think when people get wealthier and they do it it's just a little bit more disgusting uh it feels more gross to me because you know they're really looking down on someone yeah and like and and you know and that never feels good and um you I think right now with like social media um you know it's it's a lot about image and how I look and you know people taking uh pictures on fake private jets just to get their social media clout for sure and all those things um but ultimately you know and it sounds like you had this growing up what matters in the end is family right and I have I don't know your religion but I have my faith too yeah and so those those things um it's the most important thing and in the end we're going to be much happier with that anyway exactly and I think it's just important especially in sports where there is money a line you just you have to be picky who you surround yourself with I've learned my lessons in the past of not even people that are just wealthy and Rich but people that just hold power yes and being a girl and knowing that you have to navigate who you can and can't trust and like when I go to the races I never feel out of place I don't feel like oh I'm just the girl in a guy sport like I don't care whatever this there's girls here sure there may not be a lot of girl drivers but there's girl workers like I'm not out of place um because I surround myself with good people I'm very picky of the people that I let into my inner circle in racing I don't overshare don't like to talk to many people and I just keep to myself cuz I don't want to get involved in their drama right there's a lot of drama over there that I don't mess with it's kind of why I haven't moved to North Carolina yet cuz I'm like you guys come with too much baggage so I'm staying away but as long as you be picky and really careful and don't overshare what do you mean what do you mean overshare because you can just trust the wrong people oh I see for sure especially when everyone out there's looking for sponsors if you tell them you have some sort of little hidden tactic figured out oh they're going to steal it right out from underneath you I see and take your money yeah so don't yeah don't don't overshare with that yeah I mean ultimately uh you know from a sharing sense I think as human beings vulnerability is important though yeah you know you don't want to be sharing secrets in a competition that could have you lose but do you know who bernee Brown is so B Brown She uh she had a speech on a TED Talk called called The Power of vulnerability and they wrote a book on it and it talks about that that we can share and we can be vulnerable with people and yes they can use it against us yes but what we get from it overall if we practice that on a daily basis is so much more than we get uh from keeping those aspects of oursel away from people right and I I guess it's just hard for me because I've been bitten so bad in the past to where I I have my own mental health Foundation now because of the stuff that has happened trusting the wrong people you have very inappropriate ways of going about running a racing business and I've been caught up in that um running a racing business rubbing running running running yeah like in the amateur days when I was like racing late models and stuff there were people that just treated it very inappropriately the fact that they had a girl driving for them oh and it started to get to my head to where it was like okay they're not respecting me as a driver they're just here's your paycheck yeah whatever go have fun MH and then on the outside saying their comments doing this trying to make a pass on me or do this when I'm only 17 18 years old like I don't know any better MH and I mean I ended up hitting someone across the face for it once but good they deserve it you grow a pair at that point that's right exactly I mean you're in racing you have to have one like so it's made it difficult of course I have my own mental health problems I and I share that I'm very vulnerable about that I'd share that on my social media have my own Foundation about it very open about it cuz nobody talks about it in NASCAR sure um because wants to come off as the badass cuz it's a very badass Sport and it's very like Cutthroat but it's like knowing the drivers on a closer level they all have something going on like we all do yeah and so I just I made it very known and put my story out there it's on a website like it's just planted out there for the whole world to see what are some of the issues that you've dealt with uh well it was it was more so in the amateur days the one uh case scenario it was essentially one of my owners did not want me to win above him because I wouldn't kiss him oh okay um so we went out there he ended up stealing the championship from me wow um when did that happen this was five years ago five years ago so years ago so it was the owner of the race car team right um he didn't want how did he steal it from you went out there and raced it was his team he owned the cars he could go out there and race the car and whatever and he ended up I mean there was more cars in the race whatever but it came down to it was either me or him winning the championship and he went out there cheated so that I ended up getting the championship in instead in a way because he ended up cheating using the same set of tires you're not allowed to do that little Logistics um goes out there took the championship from me whatever were you racing too though yeah so how how did he like had but when you say steal it like what so we have we had two races that night we had two 50 lap features after the first race you're supposed to keep the same tires on the car for the second race he put a brand new set of tires on of course he's going to be faster than everybody else out there sure so he goes out there wins the race takes it from me I had a great lead to where I wouldn't have lost it if that didn't happen um so that happened whatever the other driver actually called it out and said I white walled his tire there should be a mark on his tire there was no mark on his tire got got DQ went out whatever but then he goes around the track and starts all these rumors about me like oh Logan couldn't like keep her panties on essentially and I'm like I don't even know you people on that level I have a I had a boyfriend at the time I was in a very serious relationship and it's like all this stuff Sparks so now that's making my reputation look bad before my career even started before I even made it to NASCAR all this stuff is happening so he's basically spreading rumors that you're like a [ __ ] out there exactly yeah and it's like one you don't even know me on that level two you are just coming up with things out of thin air when I'm in a serious relationship with someone that you're friends with so like you know that's never happened hopefully your boyfriend kicked his ass no no uh we don't talk about him either okay no he's okay it's fine um Le's not so and then I had another scenario of about a year or two year later where I was working for somebody that was in the racing world and he essentially said I will give you your race if you come to my condo and I left the key in your drawer and it's like what Casting Couch yeah and it's like you don't take me serious enough so I made a I made an example out of them I was like it's fine I'll start my own mental health Foundation I'll open up about it like cuz people have to watch out for it and it's being like everyone thinks oh being a female in the Sport's going to be so easy and it's like not when you have to handle the men that have the highest egos out there thinking they can do whatever they want just because they have money and power right well it's been that way forever yeah I mean that's kind of uh it got exposed and and those are like legit me too type issues that you're talking about there's a lot of me too type issues that were not legit yeah um that specifically and there's a lot of them that are um what was good about that movement is it exposed a lot yes and you know some people got thrown under the bus that should not have gotten thrown under the bus but it exposed a lot now it's kind of swinging back to but it also crazy so it's like now we're getting back to some normaly right but to suggest that these issues haven't been going on yeah for a long time are completely it's it's BS you've experienced it yeah um but I think now you know for women like talking about it like you're talking about I think is a good thing because that type of behavior does need to be exposed right um you know you should be able to talk about it this is you know because that type of stuff does hold you back I mean the whole Casting Couch idea in Hollywood I mean that's been going on forever yeah uh Harvey Weinstein had been doing it for years it was an Open Secret yeah in Hollywood and they just allowed it P Diddy what's going on with him right now I mean I saw him beat uh Cassie on that video last week yeah I think that's her name and I mean what an evil human being yeah I mean I can't imagine ever hitting a woman let alone dragging her by the hair and and then expecting her to stay quiet yes that's the worst part exactly that that's to where you think that she doesn't hold enough value or power to talk yeah so yeah it's it's a wild thing so you you have you have those situations and I I think like right now we put it on like men or women or gay or straight or trans or this but there's good men and good women and there's bad men and bad women the I don't think it's all one thing and and we like these groups you know for right now like for instance your sport is uh let's say dominated by men but you can speak out I mean the way to be empowered is to tell the truth the truth shall set you free and I haven't had any since I made the move up to NASCAR um cuz I've just been a lot more picky I have a lot of people within the NASCAR Circle that have my back knowing where I should be led to not run into the same issues of course you have the fans out there whatever that's another thing I don't I don't care about the haters love you guys but um the even in the industry like it doesn't even have to be team owners or anything it could be another driver and it's like they just expect the girls to be quiet quaint little girls that keep their mouth shut and not going to say anything or do anything to where it's like when I spoke up about my mental health journey and what actually happened in the past it was like oh really like and then people are like okay well now I can talk about this person doing this and like and it's not even just in my Sport and it's not even in NASCAR it's just it was in the beginning stages of it but it was in the most impressionable part of my career to where I was still like becoming a woman and trying to work this out and I never run into that issue and dance and then I moved to this sport knowing I was going to have the issues against the boys but I thought I was going to just extend to oh they just don't want to get beat by a girl on the racetrack right that's the least of my worry I don't care I'm worried about how much leverage you're going to try to hold over me knowing I don't come from money MH trying to hold that leverage on me the things that you want me to do to make you look good like I'm here I am my own business owner I'm here to treat this as ious as you are you're going to treat me with the same amount of respect as I am you do not cross that line and I think ever since I took that step and sharing my story I haven't had an issue yeah cuz I think they're just scared that I will tell the world but I really haven't run into the issue as you should yeah if someone's doing that to you exactly you know and that's where you can be empowered every woman can be empowered that's that should be happening yeah those are when it's done a positive light there are times where it's been done in a negative light but ultimately you know people are people um there's good and bad in every gender every everything and you know we have to treat people like human beings y like you know someone dropping a key off and saying you know basically I'll fund you if you if you do this yeah that's just scummy right you know so he's you don't want that person in your life anyway it's almost a blessing that that happened because if he wasn't doing it to you he was doing it to somebody else and you have this negative human being you know and essentially I would not be where I am today in NASCAR honestly if none of that stuff would have happened because that aligned with other things that I changed to go do that ended up helping me fund what I wanted to really do right and more so sharing the story it wasn't like oh watch out for the guys whatever everyone's going to have the issue if you're going to run into it you're going to run into it I can't help you from that yeah but if you really love something and you really love your career don't let something like that stop you yes we can talk about it and I can share it with you of like my journey through it cuz like even have like little girls and little boys and they're like What's your advice like of how I can be a race car driver and I'm like do not ever think it's going to be easy mhm I was like it's going to be physically mentally taxing on you and you're going to have to go through these things but as long as you just keep digging and keep going you'll make it you're just going to have to handle a lot of BS behind closed doors that whether you tell the world or you don't tell the world about but don't expect it to go smoothly yeah well and that's life yeah I mean success at any high level I mean you have to deal with so much [ __ ] exactly I mean it's one thing after another after another and you know in a lot of ways success is measured off how much [ __ ] you can put up with yep and and and get through yeah I mean I remember you know praying multiple times 42 now but I mean the last 10 years have have been a major struggle and we've done very well but it's I mean the stuff we've been through has been very very difficult yeah i' be praying to God to like hey you know help me with this blah blah blah you know and certain things weren't happening fast enough you know and or it didn't happen and that prayers didn't weren't answered at the time and I look at it now like God put everything at the exact perfect time for us because we weren't ready for it exactly yet and it's a blessing like thank you because I'm just grateful like okay I'm just trusting you you just uh Hey cuz half the time I don't even know what to do now I'm like hey God what do you want me to do just if you want this to happen make it happen if you don't don't you know and uh you know kind of give it away that way but that's it I mean like your success in many ways yes you have the financial boundary and let's we should probably figure out other words than bound because you can figure that out ultimately in the end but it's going to a lot be dependent on how much you're willing to put up with right you know exactly how do you overcome that adversity that you were just talking about you overcame adversity you had an obstacle it was an issue and you turned it into an opportunity and it made you better exactly yeah and that was more so like especially when I released one in a million my mental health Foundation it was like I did it at a time after I had stopped Racing for a while because of the stuff that happened and I went whole year sitting miserable with my life not knowing what I was going to do I was like I don't want to do anything else but race but I don't want to be put back into those situations so once I got back into it signed another really really good deal which led me to where I am today and so I released it and I was like okay if you let something like that stop you from doing what you love to do your life's going to suck mhm like you're just going to live and regret your entire life of the what if and what if this could have happened so I more so wanted to release it to show them you can still do it even if you're at a point where you just want to completely give up yeah like you're done you don't want to be here anymore you want to deal with this like any aspect of your life or life itself and it's like you can still make a great story out of something even if you wanted to stop at once yeah so absolutely that's what that's what it's all about what what mental health issues were you experienc like depression from all that I had severe depression anxiety I had I don't even know if we're allowed to say that word on here Suicidal Thoughts oh we can say okay perfect making sure we I was like where's like the No No Square of um so yeah I suffered with that for for the past self harm um this was back in 2020 2021 Time tough times too very very yeah and it it wasn't even more so the the pandemic cuz the pandemic didn't really even that actually helped my life more than anything it gave me time to come up with more sponsors and do this stuff but there were so many other things happening in life that I haven't really shared I'm not I probably never will but it's fine and I was just at a point where I was just like there is nothing in life going my way and I'll even still feel like that and it's like when is something ever going to go my way but then I have to look back and see okay if you're outing where you are look at how far I've come though in the past 78 years that I've been actively doing this like day and day out and it's like okay yeah maybe something's not going my way but everybody's going to throw a hisy fit if something doesn't go their way so it's meddling that back to my fact like okay Logan something didn't go your way it's not that big of a deal it's okay and I'm just waiting to catch my break but I found that strength like through my faith and through like therapy of like finding that drive to just even when I get those thoughts back in my head just keep going yeah and I still struggle with severe anxiety depression I have borderline personality disorder as well so the depression comes and goes in phases um you just got to take it day by day but no that's that's really you know what it is we have these obstacles you're learning you've learned at a young age so far but you you know how the world is right and we can look at these as you know a lot of people have obstacles and they quit yeah and they're like oh this happened to me and um you know you you can become a victim to the circumstance or you can be personally responsible for for how you act you know here on out yeah and I was I wouldn't even say forced but I was more motivated to grow up quicker than I probably should have at a very young age to where yes I'm 25 but I I think I see the world differently than a lot of people in my age do I see the form of business different I see the form of like the way you portray yourself very different than a lot of other people do and it's just the image you want to put on for yourself and your business and make the most success out of your life to where when I am your age hopefully I'm in the position that I want to be in as like the peak of my life yeah like I don't want you have normal 24 25 year olds that are like just oh it's whatever it'll happen when it happens still don't really know what I want to do yet or working like a normal 9 to5 it was like when I was 16 I knew I'm not working a 9 to5 I do not have the personality to sit at a desk and do all that all day can't do it so I would just sit there and brainstorm I have a book at my house of like millions of ideas and business ideas that I wanted to do like within racing to like just really bloat this over the top not even to become like a public figure to like really contribute the most to the sport that I love so much yeah and that'll make me feel fulfilled absolutely so yeah when I was your age say when I was your age I feel like I'm I'm dad now now um I was always an entrepreneur too and so I had already been to jail I was I was facing 15 years for a drug charge I got an 8year sentence with eight months to serve uh had gotten through all that became a multi-millionaire at uh I was 24 so it was we had a lot of success really quick yeah lost everything at like it's 2008 crash around 2009 2010 and so thought my life was over I was probably let's see it's for I was like 28 to 30 at the time you know so thought my you know oh my gosh I'm never going to be able to right you know make it back and then work really hard and you know made it back but um you know that's life a lot of people get so stuck in the circumstance that they're in and can't see past it but these circumstances are really opportunities yep you know and that's what it seems like you did with the the last bad circumstance uh you had but you're learning a lot you're getting better you're working past these obstacles and you're turning them in Opportunities and I hate when people say like oh it doesn't happen overnight success doesn't happen overnight I don't define success as the amount of money you have in your bank I think it's a it's a mindset and you can have your mindset overnight yeah so people say like oh it doesn't happen overnight you need to keep working at it but it's like all you really need to do is click it on in your head and you're there hey I so agree with that I mean that's that's that's exactly what it is it's you know in many ways that well the mindsets a choice right you can either choose to be a victim or you can choose to be personally responsible y you're personally responsible you can do whatever you want you just got to keep that responsibility one of my favorite saying if it's to be it's up to me you know and uh you know it's up to me it's not up to everybody else I can't blame anybody else for what's going on right now I can't say oh well they didn't do this or they didn't do that or whatever it's like no this is my responsibility right and I say if it's a it's up to me it's God ultimately but I'm saying like that's a way to empower myself to not play victim exactly in the world and we see like right now it's it's like the victim Olympics out there yeah in society where everybody's like woe is me and it's like well you know what let's actually I'm I'm glad I got arrested I'm glad glad I had lost everything I'm glad all these things happened I'm glad you know it was painful because it made me who I am today thank you God that's a blessing and like everything that's happened throughout my life like just even like my childhood things that happened in my childhood it's like I wouldn't change a thing single thing yeah because I would not be as strong as I am today as I mean yes I'm emotionally a mess but I'm still very emotionally shut off but like I think that makes be stronger in my way and it works for me and it's like if none of that stuff would have happened I wouldn't be I probably wouldn't be sitting in the chair right now yeah like I wouldn't be in the position I'm in to be able to go do these things and be as successful as I am and do this at such a young age and I hate when people try to play like oh my God I'm so sorry that happened to you it's like I'm not like that was someone else that wasn't me feel sorry for them that they did that to me yeah I was like but the second I start playing the victim to myself I'm wasting time I have to keep moving on I got to keep doing this stuff so it's like even when I find myself in like my mental health head space and it's like oh my God I'm having anxiety about this I'm so stressed about this it's like Logan Nicole muraka just snap out of it already like you're wasting time you can't you can't afford to waste any more time I mean yes I can but I don't like that I like to keep keep going that's that's what it's all about um anything else you want to say in in closing love you all um oh yeah be sure to watch the Bristol race in September you should come out yeah well uh it's right up the road what's the what's the date do you know September 19th I'm I'm looking at my schedule right now on my head uh I think I have yeah um that's just like me I have the calendar in my head I can't write it down I yeah I can't do September 19th but can you watch it on TV yes so you can okay no I would actually enjoy that it's my uh Buddy's bachelor's party that's that weekend right okay yeah yeah so I've got his bachelor party coming up so I'm see you're training for this race yes I'm training for the bachelor party got it so you know well the race is on a Thursday oh so it wouldn't be yeah then that's not that weekend then so it's not a weekend no and Bristol is is that Tennessee yeah well I'll try to make it out see you out there well thank you so much for for sharing your story and um I I appreciate your grind uh I'm not saying I know exactly what it's like from your uh position but um I do know what it's like at least grinding and having people feel like people are against you and overcoming the adversity and being successful and you if you look at this from 10,000 Pete you've already been successful right and you've done good things so I look forward to watching your career here in the future so you do big things well thank you so much for having me all right thank you Logan thanks