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what's your experience with the psychedelics and kind of how tell me about that Journey there was one

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particular night that kind of changed everything for me me and a friend split about an ounce everything was normal we

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were just tripping out I went to the bathroom turned around and looked and saw what looked like a translucent hole

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in reality open up it was like an Indian goddess dancing and her dance was so rhythmically perfect that it was like

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pistons in the engine you know there was no flaw in her Rhythm and I remember walking toward that and thinking to

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myself I want to go inside Edward Crowe welcome to the podcast

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thanks for having me man I'm excited that you're here man so man I'm honored

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to be here with you bro you know we've got a bunch of mutual friends we've talked a few times on the phone and uh

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but you know I haven't really got to hang out and you know get to know each other so right what better way than the

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first time hanging out on the podcast perfect timing man yeah man so uh yeah what's what's going on today man

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man everything's good man just just been busy working touring you know we've been traveling a lot I manage yellow wolf

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that's um I'm in the music business an executive and manager photographer so we've been uh on the road super super

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busy getting ready for a double album roll out okay yeah you know and where where are you from originally like where

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did you grow up I'm originally from Wilmington Delaware which is about 20 minutes out of Philadelphia okay and uh

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I don't think I've met anyone else from Delaware except for uh I got one buddy from Delaware who's a drummer for

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struggle but um yeah man I'm from there I moved here when I was 10 years old because my father was a country music singer okay

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and uh we were here six months he wrote a song for George Jones that was on his album and then um he's

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just been laying back ever since and I kind of took over the music business thing in our family okay wait did you get a school around here I went to

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Memphis College of Art years ago but then I dropped out just because it was I was working to pay for it at night

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going to school during the day it just got to be too much but um and I went to Antioch high school I went to Antioch

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yeah that went to Overton did you yeah what year did you graduate I didn't I

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got a GED and it would have been two thousand two thousand okay I graduated 99. okay and so we were obviously at the

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same time golly so did you know uh jelly then absolutely yeah I know jelly we

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used to live in Nashville Village okay yeah way back way way way back yeah Nashville Village known him a long time

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the whole area has changed I lived up until about uh let's see in kindergarten

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off a tarragon Trail yeah dude I lived on tarragon Trail at one point okay that corner house like I

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don't know what the other uh Fork is but yeah right there at the dead end you know it used to be a dead end right now

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they now they've cut through it have you seen that rather so so I guess what I'm talking about if you go down it's not a dead like little little half roundabout

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then you go left uh 40 yeah uh I think that's where I'm

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talking about the Corner House that I lived in yeah on tarragoncho that's crazy living on terrible it might have been Neighbors when we were kids when

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did you live there I was probably 20 when I lived there okay you lived there when you were young kid yeah four or five years old got you

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so yeah that's uh that's deep in any out yeah it is that's crazy it is it's a

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deep and Annie back in the day of Pops car wash all the time oh yeah oh yeah I mean yeah the times have changed a lot

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uh but you know I'm grateful for my experiences kind of everywhere I lived

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as a kid right you know it was it was good it's very diverse and uh I love

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lower Antioch yeah me too [ __ ] I mean we always joke and say like they could have

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made a movie about those days our our era of lower end up probably is still today but I'm not out in it so I don't

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see it yeah interesting interesting time especially coming from up North you know what I mean yeah what was that like you

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moved did you move there as a kid yeah I moved here when I was 10 so I didn't really

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you know it wasn't much for me to gauge but uh I moved back to Delaware when I was 16.

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came down with this crazy illness and then uh all I wanted from my parents at that time was I said man if I survived

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this I just want to move back to Nashville and they didn't want to live here anymore they kind of were over the whole you know songwriting thing and

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they were like all right cool whenever you get out of the hospital we'll move back to Nashville oh man you did so I was going probably a year and a half

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something like that before I came back and just I love it here that's awesome what kind of illness were you dealing

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with it was called Guillain-Barre syndrome have you ever heard of that yeah absolutely it's like it attacks the

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myelin sheath yep the the um whatever it is it surrounds and protects your nerves yeah and uh at the

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time they didn't know how I caught it they said it could have been campylobacter from chicken it could have

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been there's a lot of cases they just don't know you know some flu shots even like people can get it from flu shots

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yeah most of it like most people don't show symptoms is that correct that's right that's right and small symptoms if

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you do like in my case I had tingling in my hands at first and then the tingling

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went to my feet and then the tingling went to my mouth and at that point I knew something was crazy

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we're on our way to Gatlinburg for vacation and um we ended up going to the hospital and

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we went to um Dupont in Delaware and they misdiagnosed

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me they said it was all in my head I mean I knew better than that you know I mean they said you're on drugs or at

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that point I hadn't really done too many drugs but um they said it was all in my head you know

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and I knew better they sent me home I had a lung collapse obviously I sued them got a settlement wasn't a lot

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um then went to Crozer Chester medical center in Pennsylvania and was diagnosed it took

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a couple days for them to figure it out like they had you know they said it was everything else but then a spinal tap

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was the way they finally were able to tell exactly what it was and plant Yeah man so uh yeah I've heard

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that the vaccine and even covid has been activating it supposedly have you heard

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about absolutely absolutely when when they first came out and said that my mom had sent me the article and uh they said

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that if you had Guillain-Barre do not get this vaccine right that's the one yep and I stuck to it I told I said I'm

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not doing it I can't do you know like Guillain-Barre was way worse than anything I've experienced with this yeah

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so uh it got a little tricky at certain points though like with international travel and you know that type of thing

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so I ended up getting a note from a doctor I went in there told him everything they gave me a whole you know piece of paper saying that they advised

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that I do not get that and I should be able to travel without it yeah you know but the thing is

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the flu shots oh yeah that's right they ended up coming back out and saying it's okay now you can take the shot

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right and I was like nah why did you say before but now exactly you're playing

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with fire too with what you went through yeah I mean it I was totally paralyzed like I couldn't close my eyelids you

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know what I mean I couldn't move my legs I mean from from uh head to toe you know what I mean yeah so crazy how old were

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you when that was going on 16 16 man yep that's brutal yeah to have people tell you too oh there's nothing wrong with

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you it's in your head you're like no something's wrong for sure right and it was like you know when it started getting worse

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they said they were gonna have to cut a one of these trache out of me cut that they didn't end up doing that they ended

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up doing like life support down my throat into my lungs oh man and um I thought this is how they treat

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you when you're dying you know what I mean they tell you everything's okay they tell you you're gonna be all right and lo and behold you know it it didn't

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cure it but It reversed the process I think this isn't how you said I don't think but something like immunogramma

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globin or something like that yes transfusion yes uh immunoglobin immunoglobin transfusion

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yes okay so that's what they did instead of a blood transfusion okay and that was

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able to reverse the process yeah probably somehow resets the immune system because I guess the the virus is

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attacking and your immune system is kind of uh at a suppressed state to a point right and then it's somehow activating

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with the with the immunotherapy right interesting yeah that was a crazy time yeah I can only imagine so you were 16

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and you came back and you you went when did you go to Antioch before or after that

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um before and after okay yeah so well think about that yeah I think it was before and after

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when I came back because when I left here at one point I got kicked out of Antioch

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and went to Glencliff okay and then I ended up in Mount Pleasant Delaware during after all this [ __ ]

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and uh yeah it was crazy going back to school after this happened because I was like

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on a cane I weighed like 90 pounds my face was paralyzed and sunken so you know first thing everybody thinks is

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you're on drugs or something so it was hard to like you know see people looking like that yeah but um yeah man that was

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a crazy time and you know did you you met jelly then did you meet Yelawolf

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around then too I knew wolf yeah since we were like man probably 12 13. okay and we used to

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write graffiti together so he was coma and I was ounce and yeah interesting story when

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when I linked back up with him man I want to say 2010 2011 I'm not sure what year it was

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but I was managing a photographer at the time and uh photographer said I'm going

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to shoot an artist named Yelawolf and I hadn't heard of anybody named Yelawolf at that time and uh so I said okay cool I'll roll

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with you I usually didn't go with him it was at the Mercy Lounge and uh he had a Tennessean passed the whole nine we went

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up there and they were like you can't shoot him he was being paid to be there and had a pass they were just being not cool about it you know and uh I said man

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I started Googling the guy I was like wait a minute I grew up with this guy the photographer was like man [ __ ] we see him on the cover of double XL

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with Eminem and all this stuff I was like I'm telling you man I know this guy I'm not leaving until at least I see him and he tells me to kick rocks

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or you know what I mean like I'm not gonna let these people tell me I can't be here right so that's what happened I went to the back I bumped into a couple

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other guys we grew up with and they were like hell no come back here and wolf acted like you know we hadn't seen each other one day or something like that

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yeah he was incredible super cool and then we just hung out from that point

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and One Day At A Car Wash just random I was like man I want to work with you I had uh I had a paint company at the time

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so I'm tired of doing this I was moving in and out of town with him like on the video shows interviews whatever he had going on at the time

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and uh I said I know you're not hiring but I'm gonna work for you I'm cool to I'll take out the trash I walk the dogs

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you know I had I had my own Studio when we first linked back up and I was working with a bunch of like

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up-and-coming artists nothing really promising nothing really generating any income and uh I said I'll start at the

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bottom and if you don't feel you know you don't have to pay me anything right now but if we get to a point where you think it's worth it cool if I get to a

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point where I think it's not cool you know what I mean and here we are however many years later and uh We've grown to

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the point where now I'm wolves manager you know in between and I've done I've sold his merch I've been his tour

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manager I've been his tour photographer a DJ at one time on a private island so we played a lot of roles you know to get

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to this point sure yeah that's incredible you know it's interesting what you say because

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um and you say hey I'll take out the trash if need to be and you know that's that's something a lot of people can can

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learn from if people are trying to know how how you come up you make yourself useful and helpful to people absolutely

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make yourself you know as close to indispensable as you can become you know what I mean like

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at a certain point I was to do with the weed early in the game and then that was the deal with the camera after I lost uh

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well my photographer went on tour with a couple I think Drake and Miguel at one point and he was the guy that would

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photograph my artist it was kind of like a trade-off when he went on the road I was happy for him and proud of him but I

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needed somebody to take the pictures so I traded this old Cadillac I had for a Canon 7D started learning how to take

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the pictures myself and that's how we went from there but yeah man I heard her saying before you

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know sweep the parking lot so you own the building you know what I mean a lot of people I feel like it's it's

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important to Value putting in the work to prove your value you know what I mean that's

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soup in in my work and where I've come from and where I've made it to that's one of the biggest key

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takeaways for me is you know go a little bit harder than you're paid for or do stuff for free you

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know to get in position you need to be in oh it's so good because I mean I've worked for free many times you know like

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my my business partner it's uh one of my business partners Scott Nelson and one of my best friends since I was 15. you

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know I first met him I was putting on a grappling tournament it's the uh pro-ams

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of grappling I was 18 years old way too young to be put on this giant Tournament of the time it was basically whatever

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anybody in Brazilian Jitsu would want to see the best guys go and it wasn't a platform for that except Abu Dhabi which

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was in Abu Dhabi and so we put together this crazy tournament and Scotty you know came there and you

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know he just started helping with all the mats and him and Gumby his partner in otm they started helping with

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everything and um you know I was a kid and impressionable too and I was like it's really nice look at all the help that

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they're giving right and so you know he mentioned yeah you should always just just help people the more you help people the more opportunity you'll have

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and uh so you know I kind of took that up too and I mean yeah it's it's like

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work for free it's this it's not a bad thing it's not actually like uh bringing your worth down you know it it helps

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because when people see you putting an effort forward uh you know not wanting anything in return you'll

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eventually get something you know in return to yourself the goodness of the ACT I think right right and it's uh it's

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important to get into the room with those people you know a lot of times those people are too

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busy to answer the email or the phone you know I'm sure you can relate I can relate but when you have someone come in who's

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willing to put in that work man they prove their value and then it gives you a chance to understand their character

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you know and see what they're about and then you know grow from there yeah I mean it's it's making you know I

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always say give without remembering receive without out forgetting and you know like how do you give and not expect

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anything in return when somebody gives something to you how do you make sure you don't forget that and uh you know

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that really way of being at least for me in life has helped a lot because you know where

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I'm at now it's kind of wild to me but you know we're here because we gave so

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much to so many people and I'm not saying oh we gave some I'm like not not as an I'm just saying that was the idea just

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just give don't worry about what you get back in return never really care like whatever people like oh I feel like oh

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yeah you know I mean nothing right for sure um and it's really a way to you know get

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ahead per se 100 000 and yeah it's important for people coming up to understand that you know

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what I mean I always see people sometimes you know like when the charges outlandish fee they think that's the way

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and it's some new kid you know what I mean it's like man you're doing it wrong bro you gotta you know put in the work you

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got to put in the work and you know people respect is super important respect is more important than money one

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thousand percent I mean you know I'm up five thousand dollars but I don't want the person's respect like no no that

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person's respect so worth a lot more than five thousand dollars all the way you know and that's and that's kind of what it is you know you think about you

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know our friend group in Nashville we have a lot of mutual friends and that's really what you know what it comes down

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to you know it's respect and I saw a speaker uh Anita could've been it was

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pretty interesting he said what is power you know power is it money is this like no power equals access

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um power equals x can you pick up the phone and make a call and support you in

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getting something done right and you don't get access by asking for money all

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the time absolutely you did it by having respect and people knowing what you're what you're about right and the more you

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have the quicker those people move you know what I mean absolutely and it's pretty amazing when you can make those

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moves that you wish you could have made back in the day and now you realize those you know what I mean like like

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you're in the position that you were working to get get toward you know what I mean yes absolutely that's that's

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oh what you just said I like that yeah man it's it's it's it's interesting because people look at it I think some

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people look at it a lot of people look at it kind of the wrong way and um you know and then you know asking

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let's say a favor I don't like to ask for favors I really don't but my friends know if I call and were to

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ask something I don't ask for much right you know so at least it's meaningful so give give give give and if you really as

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a if you really need something friends are there to help you they're not there to be abused but they're there to help you if you really right you know need it

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right yeah it says it reminds me of Think and Grow Rich like obviously you've read that book I'm sure absolutely that's one

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I like to give out you know what I mean to people who haven't read the book but I like how they say in the beginning

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I don't know if it's the first couple Pages it says something like there's a secret in this book that you'll learn you can learn it on the first page it

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might take all the way to the last page to get to the secret but I think that's the moral of the secret you know what I mean is putting

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in the work to earn the stripes and the respect yeah I mean like it takes a long time man you know what I mean it takes a

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lot of respect it does it does and you know it's it's the other thing of of you know you are what you think you know I

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was talking to I brought up to a couple of the mayoral candidates I think the way that we talk

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to people that might be poor or disadvantaged is wrong like by calling

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somebody marginalized groups marginalized means powerless or unimportant so every time we call them

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marginalized we're calling them powerless or unimportant and what does that do for somebody's psyche you're

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powerless you're power you might as well be saying you're powerless you're powerless like you know no way we need

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to tell these kids you know you're powerful you can do whatever you want and you can be a superhero and they

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can't they can yeah yeah it's like I like doing those uh you know how they tell you to do affirmations like in

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front of the mirror and that type of thing I've always had a hard time with that so what I did was I've taken binarial beats familiar and

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uh putting the affirmations on top of that from the perspective of I am I have I am thankful you know what I mean that

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type of thing and putting those in different numerical sequences like threes and sixes and nines and stuff like that and

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just listening to that on repeat constantly and I feel like it's like reprogramming your mind like when you

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were a kid you know or like you're saying about the you know the poverty it's like

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you're reprogramming your thoughts yes and that's important because if someone's growing up and you're always told you're ugly or you're you're uh

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short or you're this or that you know that's what you learn to believe because that's what you're programmed yeah I believe you can reprogram that you know

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what I mean absolutely what did you learn like from Think and Grow Rich like what did you learn about you know call it program in the mind well going above

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and beyond over delivering you know what I mean like we discussed um past that I mean I went down a rabbit

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hole of you know Ernest Holmes and manly P hall and all these different

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philosophers I guess you would call them but authors you know and uh

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my take away is just that with the thought thing is like man reprogramming your mind is very

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important you know what I mean talking to yourself from the perspective of I am you know what I mean I am thankful

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gratitude is very important you know like extreme gratitude yeah there was a there was a study that

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just kind of uh that I just saw that was talking about uh gratitude and how it's

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it it literally can determine someone's success or failure oh wow um and uh to

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pull it up uh but you know it was going into you know if you're if you have gratitude

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um you know so many more opportunities will pop up in your life and uh because

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you think about this we want to be around grateful people right you know there's

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something about when somebody's ungrateful right you're like ah you know it's like it's for me it's an energy I

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don't I don't love to be around I agree 100 it's a frequency at the end of the day yes it's a frequency so the

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frequency of of gratefulness right uh seems pretty important and I think the words you speak too you know not to get

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too too um in the weeds but the words you speak you know like someone says

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for instance I want um new sheets so my sheets aren't old and dirty and they don't stink and they

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start describing this right as opposed to I like some new sheets so they'll be more comfortable and they'll look better

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you know like just using your words you're saying the same thing but using a positive approach to that same idea you

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know what I mean yeah I think words are very powerful and I've been practicing trying to clean up the way I use my

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language and being more conscious of it not not in a nerdy way you know what I mean like not trying to be PG-13 or

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nothing but figuring out how to use that as a tool as opposed to just it's like

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driving down the street blind not knowing you're driving just you know swerving everywhere right you know or paying attention while you're driving

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know where you're ending up you know so absolutely yeah that's that's uh you

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know the words that we use to ourselves and the words that others

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use to themselves and to those that are around them uh you know it's not talked

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about much the the effect that they have but if thoughts are things and your words actually create

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things and the words that are coming out of our mouth are are actually

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programming our subconscious mind if that's true then we should really be careful and be aware and what you're

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saying I think is that you're aware of the importance of what you say and if

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you have a bad pattern of what you're saying you want to change that pattern into something that's going to serve you absolutely absolutely and when we get

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into psychedelics we'll talk more about that but yeah I mean that's something that's come to me through different

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Journeys is just learning how to speak properly you know what I mean yeah you

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think about the kids that are you know I could go back to the the word marginalize and stuff where those type

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of words matter um you know I wonder how much we program

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uh uh Society you know maybe uh unconsciously we're not knowing that

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we're programming uh certain people to believe

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that they're less than right and whereas I think a lot of it's well intended uh

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I actually think that it's doing a negative having a negative effect on those kids absolutely that's something man I went

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we've got a non-profit called slum saving lives using music okay and it's it's something we're getting

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off the ground as you know like when you when you create new wings of your company you've gotta build new teams you

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know what I mean not the same team can't handle five new agenda you know things that they got to do but uh

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I went and spoke to some kids on a couple occasions at some of the schools and juvenile detention centers locally

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just to try to you know get a Vibe for what we can do to help and man it was crazy like some of these

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kids are so much more detached than I ever imagined and it's like like just getting them to look up at me

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was difficult you know what I mean I thought I was gonna go in there and tell them I got the same background as you

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and they're going to relate we're gonna come buddies and start making music and everything nah man like you got a battle

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just getting them to look you in the face you know what I mean to pick their head up off the desk and and give a [ __ ]

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you know what I mean like and it's pretty crazy because of the environments they're in

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probably the way they're talked to the way they're they think of themselves you know what I mean is all circles back to

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what we're talking about you know what I mean in society you know what do you think the kids like you know the kids that won't look up or

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um you know they obviously have a giant wall um because they well there's a lot of

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different reasons but they don't want to connect right for why do you think that the kids right now

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that are especially are closed off don't want to connect I think it's a multitude of reasons but one I learned that

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it's a two-part answer one I learned that um you get more from these kids when you

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ask them about themselves you know when I was trying to explain you know how to do better or you know trying to teach

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you know it it wasn't getting much fruit but when I started just singling out the

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kids like man I got to the point where I was almost having anxiety in front of this group of kids because they were just looking at me like when's this over

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you know what I mean like and finally I just I'll just pick one out and kind of put them on the spot and be like tell me

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about yourself what do you do what if you could be anything in the world what would that be one kid's like a basketball player but it'll never happen

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that's what he said and I'll just you know hit him with the Y you know and keep trying to

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dig deeper and figure out what the pattern is to get him to feel that he just can't do that you get what I'm

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saying yeah but um and then a buddy of mine uh Cairo Cairo Inc

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he said uh he used to work at a group home and when I was doing this he was I was telling him the same thing me and

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you were talking about he said man you gotta understand some of these kids it's deeper than they're just a bad kid

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on the wrong path you know they might have been abused when they were a kid or something way deeper that has to be

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dealt with internally before they can really be fixed you know what I mean yeah and that's something I'm not gonna

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say it didn't ever cross my mind but he put it into perspective for me it made it make a lot more sense like them but

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I still want to keep fighting for that and you know help and and do what I can but it helped me understand damn this is

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it might be deeper than we think you know what I mean yeah I mean it's it's you know when we grew up I do think it

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was a different time it's it's different than it was different than it it is uh it is now absolutely

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um and I wonder you know we have to find ways to get through with the kids because they are our future right you

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know and um I do Wonder too if maybe they are more shut off because of the uh

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iPhones and the uh tablets and so it's so easy even for me to get

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lost in my phone you know and uh shut off the world you know and so

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um and I feel like we have less connection now as humans uh

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with all the iPhones and tablets as we did uh you know before we had that what

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are your thoughts I mean man technology you know like you

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said iPhone social media all these notifications I turn all the notifications off on my phone I look at

27:45

it when I need to I know about when somebody's gonna you know what I mean but like you said even even with these

27:54

precautions that I'm taking I still feel it shortening my attention span you know what I mean I've already got a short

27:59

attention span you know what I mean so it doesn't it doesn't help it's like I think technology technology is a big

28:06

one because based on the civilizations we're aware of obviously something may have happened

28:11

thousands of years ago this whatever but based on what we are 100 aware of this is the first time in human history that

28:18

we've had something like this social media one where every human gets a platform that's a crazy concept every

28:25

single human can have a platform to speak you know what I mean yeah it doesn't feel right one you know what

28:32

I mean two it's just man I mean I'm sure you've noticed before like my thumb will take me right to Instagram you know what I

28:39

mean like I don't even have a choice it's taking me there on its own you know what I mean seeing your brain yeah and

28:45

I'm sure it's designed for that you know yeah I've heard more about you know Tick Tock I don't I don't have one a couple times

28:51

I've seen it it's just it's just berating you know what I mean it's so I'm sure it's not good for for our

28:57

psyche at all yeah have you taken uh have you have you taken a break from it at all you've been able to like I do

29:03

sometimes yeah do take a break um when I can but then you know with the with the touring and that type of stuff

29:11

I always want to like turn it off and just log in to to post to it or something like make a couple steps in

29:16

between just having the ability to go right to it you know what I mean and focus more on reading and living in the

29:22

real world you know nature and and being present for the moment that we're in right now and not staring into this box

29:29

you know when you think about the power of that algorithm too you know so I was talking to my business partner Derrick

29:35

Perry um and he was talking about leadership and like we're like what is leadership and he said um you know the algorithm is

29:42

the leader right now wow you know and he's he's right because

29:49

you know we have our confirmation bias based off of what the algorithm shows us

29:55

and um you know if it's political it's right or left and you get one side of

30:01

the story you know and you think everybody's this opposite just this direct opposite when you go talk to

30:07

people it's really not that but uh I think the algorithms kind of leading our

30:13

thought yeah it kind of designs what what you're seeing one and then like maybe feeds into your opinion right yes

30:21

that's crazy years ago we're on tour and we were just messing around I mean this is old news

30:27

at this point but we were talking about this before this is probably seven eight years ago we're

30:33

talking about how like stuff pops up on your phone we said let's all start talking about Windex just constantly

30:38

different colors of Windex different kinds of how much we love Windex and I swear next day we started getting Windex

30:44

ads on our phone it was just we know now that that's that's how it goes you know what I mean but at that point it was

30:50

like the hell is this you know what I'm saying it was crazy it's that retargeting is that retargeting

30:57

and you know you think about I think at least In Our Lifetime this is

31:03

these are the most divisive times right that we've had and you know before the algorithm well

31:12

before social media you know it was a lot different you did talk to people you might have a differing view but you know

31:18

you could still talk and those type of things and whereas social media was supposed to

31:24

bring us closer I think it's really brought us

31:30

further away absolutely I agree man it's uh is crazy because everything has a you

31:36

know divide and conquer it's like it's like everything there's we can walk in the street and you can meet a person

31:42

and figure out one reason why YouTube shouldn't be friends you see what I'm saying whether it's right and left or black and white or you know what I mean

31:48

if there's a million different reasons to create some divide between you and

The Polarization of Culture, Divide and Conquer, Shared Values

31:53

the next guy or me and the next guy you know yes that's interesting that we've gotten to

31:59

that point in our world yeah I feel like we've lost or we we don't and maybe we

32:06

haven't lost them but we forgot what our shared values are

32:12

really well put like that and what do you think our shared values are though currently like these days yeah what

32:18

would you say as humans what are our shared values that we should all kind of like theoretically agree on

32:24

I feel like if if aliens Came From Outer Space to attack Earth we'd figure it out real quick you know what I'm saying our

32:31

shared values I mean just self-preservation right like

32:36

you know uh I guess making the world a better place and continuing to thrive you know that

32:42

would be my guess shared values I think it'd be importance of family

32:48

100 000 I think that's you know in my opinion the utmost you know what I mean the importance of

32:54

friendship friendship family yeah love is I feel like the most

33:00

powerful important portion of the universe you know what I mean yeah being

33:05

just generally good to people right you know kindness making the world a better

33:11

place even when no one is looking you know yeah so you know we have these

33:16

ideas of you know what are our shared values and we have all these things that are tearing them down

33:22

you know so it seems that we got to figure out a way to kind of get those things back

33:29

together right and you know realigned in the like and realize

33:35

that maybe we do have the same shared values a lot of them most of us do right

33:41

and uh we're forgetting what's important I agree

33:47

I agree 100 and I think there's there's things designed and put in place for who knows what reason we can speculate

33:54

but I mean there's it seems like that's designed that way you know what I mean for some reason to

33:59

get people off track of what the bigger picture is you know what I mean yeah no absolutely well the importance of family

34:07

I mean I look at uh you know I feel like the family unit in

34:12

many ways is being torn apart right now um and

34:18

you know people might figure it out but hopefully not before it's too late right you know

34:25

you've been going you've had a tough uh a few months right you know what advice

34:31

and uh your mom passed away a few months ago what advice would you give to

34:36

somebody you know just After experiencing what you just experienced man spend time with your loved ones man

Spending Time with Loved Ones, Dealing with Loss, Family, Healthcare

34:44

like I know that's easy to say my mom lived an hour away and I'm super busy

34:49

and you know she had her thing going on and we talked every single day and a lot

34:55

of that came to me years ago again through mushrooms man it was like

35:02

understanding the importance of one day this this human will no longer be here right and

35:09

I made every decision whether it was you know asking her for advice or helping her out or you know making sure I

35:15

visited every decision within the back of my mind how am I going to feel when she's no longer with me

35:21

and I think that's part of the strength it is helping me in the grieving process

35:27

is I mean not to get too deep but I haven't I honestly haven't really broke down

35:32

broke down I've had a couple times like reading things I've written about her where I've gotten choked up

35:39

but I feel like I dealt with a lot of the grief I actually spoke to you when I was in the hospital um I had a lot of I felt like I dealt

35:45

with a lot of it while in the hospital fighting with her for her advocating for her I mean I went hard man I went hard

35:51

hard you know what I mean yeah and I was ready for whatever I mean at the very end I ended up pulling her

35:57

out of Cookeville and putting her in my SUV against medical advice per one of our uh Brothers who's a attorney and uh

36:06

he he kind of laid down The rules for me and told me how to go about it properly man I put her in the SUV raced her to

36:12

Vanderbilt took her to the ER and you know we continue to fight the battle and um

36:18

my thing would just be man it's more important than we can even we can even

36:23

say out loud you know what I mean I think the reason why

36:28

I've been able to deal with it like I've actually gotten confused a couple times like man why why am I dealing with this

36:34

so well you know what I mean like I love them more than any human or creature on this planet why is it not

36:39

just tearing me apart I'd had a friend in the past dying man I laid in bed for two months it put me on Xanax and all

36:46

kinds of [ __ ] and this is different it hasn't and I think it's because of our incredible relationship the time we

36:53

spent the happiness we shared you know what I mean and I don't have any regrets you know when I parked at the at the

36:59

hospital I parked the car and I didn't get back into the car until someone brought me my other car and took her to

37:06

the hospital I literally stayed with her every single moment in the hospital you know what I mean so no regrets yeah I

37:12

mean you know she was proud you know and and you know it's it's cool to

37:18

um working in the cancer hospital for a long time uh got to see you know the

37:25

best and worst in people and uh those type of things to me bring out like with what you just shared was the best in in

37:33

people where you're willing to do anything absolutely for your mom you're willing to you know carry her out and

37:39

drive her to Vanderbilt against uh what people say is is is good and you know at

37:45

that point when you know she's close to passing you know it's more about the effort right just knowing see you know you did

37:53

everything you possibly could right there's not one more thing that you could have done right and you went above

38:00

and beyond what you know even other good Sons would have done right for their mom

38:06

so uh you know that's love that's a shared value too absolutely you know that unconditional love for your mom and

38:13

uh her unconditional love for you and when you have that uh connection

38:19

you know it's a it's a beautiful it's beautiful it's a beautiful thing it's it's what we live for yeah you know what

38:24

I mean at the end of the day that that thing I think is is what makes this all worth it you know what I mean

38:30

yeah it's it's um it's it's something that in some ways

38:36

we're missing into our forgotten in society right and uh you know reminders

38:42

of for instance like your story your reminder like my mom last week uh all of

38:48

a sudden actually about 10 days ago all of a sudden uh couldn't walk her hip and

38:56

um she's uh she's a veteran VA takes forever and I didn't she didn't she

39:03

didn't let me know I didn't know I was in Mexico and I called her on uh Monday or Tuesday last week and she said oh

39:09

yeah I've been in bed for like four days I can't really move and I called my doctor and then uh

39:16

the VA brought her into an x-ray and she basically

39:21

um has a piece of her hip growing out and it's it's uh it's digging into the uh the hip bone

39:29

and like kind of drilling a hole in her in her hip in a long story short uh you know she

39:36

can't she can't walk and you know I get involved and you know it's like

39:43

getting things done no matter what I'm like no no we'll get you into this doctor and we'll get it done the next

39:49

day and you're not gonna wait and you know but it's a reminder and you know

39:54

you're saying that you talk to her your mom every day I haven't been talking to my mother if I would have talked to her

39:59

every day I would have known immediately and been able to help her immediately rather than

40:04

you know her going four days oh I didn't want to worry you I know that part you know and it's like you're not worried me let

40:11

me think let me let me fix this for you and I want to be able to help you but I'm I'm glad

40:17

that you just said that because it's making me uh think I need to talk to my mom and dad

40:23

every single day yeah man I I mean that was so we had such a good

40:29

relationship like in that regard you know in the hospital I um I mean every time they they stuck

40:35

her with a needle 4 a.m 2 p.m any time of day I got up and I held her hand and she eventually it was like 4 a.m one

40:42

time and she was like you don't have to keep doing that I feel bad I said look every time they're gonna put you in an

40:47

uncomfortable situation I'm gonna hold your hand that's beautiful man you know what she was there for me when I had that Guillain Beret and we actually both

40:55

got what they call ICU psychosis from the beeping in the ICU she got it too because she wouldn't leave the hospital

41:01

so it was like rolls reversed you know when she was trying to same thing my mom

41:06

had my calendar and I wish I never gave it to her like partly joking but I used to tell her like she would look at my calendar and see

41:13

you know a bunch of stuff going on that I had to do it wouldn't call me to to go with her places I kept telling her I

41:19

said man everything I have on that calendar is below priority when it comes

41:24

to you you know what I mean like you supersede all these things in the world so you know there's that but I feel like

41:31

just understanding that this time is short and man when it when it's time to go it'll come out of nowhere you know what

41:38

I mean and that's that's a tough lesson to learn you know yeah for sure you know it's it can happen in an instance yeah I

41:45

mean with the cancer patients that we've dealt with over the years you know Society in general doesn't see it all

41:51

the time I guess but when you have a cancer hospital you see it all the time you know age you know Young

41:57

20 30 years old out of nowhere you're diagnosed with metastatic cancer six months to live 12 months to live that

42:03

young oh yeah it's not common but I mean we see it all

42:10

the time right and um you know it's a it's a new perspective

42:15

gives you a new perspective on life um you know having that experience with

42:20

those people every day and then seeing the ones that live the longest with it

42:25

you know we had a well a patient that comes to mind her name is Laura Payne actually I actually

42:30

have her book yeah or a ceiling Journey right there it was uh her dad wrote that book

42:35

but we became close with the family and she had she was the most bubbly

42:41

you know person ever she's probably Laura's probably 33 34. just full of

42:47

love and life and she was put in Hospice in Knoxville this is before I I you know

42:53

I knew her and uh I would give the orientations for the

42:58

hospital you know this is in Tijuana and uh I would give the orientations and I

43:05

looked in the back of the room and there was a lady and she had a big tumor coming out of her head and she had an

43:10

eye patch on and I was like ooh because we would screen patients because you know if if

43:16

they were too far gone we wouldn't want them to come true but then also we

43:24

wanted to be fair we want to give people a Fighting Chance too so it's always that was always a balance you know right and um I was like oh man maybe she

43:31

shouldn't you know maybe it's too far for her and then I found out she drove from Knoxville there with her husband

43:37

Cody because the plane would put too much pressure on her head and she was

43:42

blind in one eye that's why she had the patch and uh and but she was just the sweetest person

43:50

and uh got to talking to her well about two weeks later I get a text from

43:56

from her and she said I can see oh and uh that you know we couldn't

44:03

really see the tumor shrinking but we we knew that since she was getting her sight back that it had to be

44:08

had to be shrinking and um you know over the next four months we get about a 90 percent 80 to 90 percent decrease in her

44:16

primary tumor and uh you know she fought it for about three

44:21

years um and she finally passed in June of uh 2020.

44:27

but her spirit the entire time and you know someone who's facing death

Facing Death, Gratitude for Life, CHIPSA Hospital

44:33

but can have that gratitude for everything that's life I mean that perspective has taught has

44:39

taught me and I know my business partner so much because you know

44:45

tomorrow is not certain right yes and you guys see a lot

44:51

of uh a lot of success in what you're doing over there that we might not see

44:56

over here as much right yeah I mean well yes I mean we would see

45:01

um I always say we're really good at extending life and without harsh side effects we're not very good at curing

45:07

cancer got it that's how I believe that's that's kind of what I've if I ever learn that's that's it it's uh but

45:14

you know neither is conventional medicine though no that's the thing nobody has a a cure for cancer right and

45:21

it's got to be rewarding though to to be able to offer something unique and different it is it's it's benefiting

45:28

people it's amazing it's amazing especially you know considering that

45:33

um mainstream says it doesn't work at all you know I've seen medicine can't

45:39

serve cured we've cured metastatic cancer multiple times right and do we do it on a regular basis no right but you

45:45

can't then they say it's impossible they say it's impossible yeah and um you know

45:51

the immunotherapies have really come on you know one a Nobel Prize in 2011

45:58

immunotherapy for cancer in 2018. and so you see

46:03

um there's something called checkpoint Inhibitors and uh they really started

46:08

being prescribed 2017-2018-2019 and so we were at

46:14

immunotherapy hospital so um you know looking now a lot of times uh we might have gotten better responses

46:21

in 2015 16 17 18 before all those new immunotherapies had come out and so it's

46:28

actually we're changing a lot of the model at the hospital right now to make it like chips a 5.0 right we have the

46:34

best Diagnostics we use really cool uh combination immunotherapy we're making our own cellular vaccines

46:40

but um yeah I mean one of my scientists uh Franco marancola he was the chief of

46:47

immunogenetics for the National Institute of Health actually wrote one of the main textbooks oncologists use for immunotherapy for cancer

46:54

he said uh Mr told me in 2018 he's like yeah what I did 15 years ago wasn't considered real science

47:00

that's crazy but now you know right so the science has caught up a lot

47:06

but for a long time you know chips has been there for four like over 40 years now

47:12

so it was so far ahead in my opinion of the mainstream then right

47:19

um but now things are catching up well that's really incredible that you got that going down no thanks man you know

47:27

it's been a labor of love right a lot of work I can imagine but uh it's been worth it

47:33

um yeah talk about so you know one of the things that we haven't talked about that uh I know that you're a big

Psychedelics, Plant Medicine, The Story of The Goddess

47:39

proponent of that I was involved with uh pretty heavily gosh 15 years ago or so

47:47

um was you know there's a psychedelics psychedelics yeah yeah so what's your

47:52

experience with the psychedelics and kind of how tell me about that Journey growing up I mean it started as just

47:59

you know using psychedelics like anybody else would just to get stoned you know what I mean LSD or mushrooms that type

48:05

of thing and then uh there was one particular night that kind of changed everything for me and our me and a

48:12

friend split about an ounce and I was just you know watching Apocalypse Now and everything was normal

48:18

we were just tripping out I went to the bathroom to get sick because it was making my stomach sick

48:24

threw up and then when I was cleaning up my myself I turned around and looked and saw what looked like a translucent hole

48:31

in reality open up and in that you could see through it but you could also see like you know how it is like when you're

48:36

on mushrooms and you see things but you can also see through those things you know like particularly uh or

48:44

specifically when your eyes are closed you know what I mean and I saw what looked like it's one of

48:50

the few times like with my eyes open I saw something like this it was like a translucent hole in

48:55

reality and it was like an Indian goddess dancing and her dance was so rhythmically perfect it was like pistons

49:01

in the engine you know there was no flaw in her Rhythm and I remember walking toward that and thinking to myself I

49:07

want to go inside there right and at that same moment when I said I want to go inside there it was almost like

49:13

telepathically she didn't say it out loud but it was like telepathically she let me know if you come here you die there and it scared me when I felt the

49:21

fear that it just went away the hallucination was gone that was the night that I said okay there's something

49:26

more to this and it took man years and years like for a long time would still use them inside

49:31

then I've grown fast forward to now when I take them I like to take them outside you know almost always you know

49:39

in nature obviously I like to enter the journey with respect speak to the to the medicine that I'm

49:46

using you know what I mean have an intention of what it is even if the intention is just a for consultation and

49:52

not a specific thing like biting my fingernails or quit drinking alcohol you know what I mean like I like to have an

49:57

intention going into the journey and uh sometimes it's best for me when

50:02

I'm not in the right head space and I don't encourage people who aren't experienced

50:09

you know with using these substances to use them while they're in a bad headspace but sometimes that's what I

50:15

need them most you know what I mean but that's also built up over a long period of time to get to that point

50:21

you know like sometimes man if I'm not all right this psilocybin will help like you said

Psilocybin, Mental Clarity, The Personalities of Mushrooms

50:27

reset you know what I mean like how to clear out the cobwebs and get me back where I need to be and

50:33

recalibrate you know understand the bigger picture and what I need to do

50:39

to be on track with that you know what I mean yeah absolutely what's your what's your kind of go-to is

50:45

it uh you like the mushrooms psilocybin is my go-to yeah I don't

50:50

I don't really deal with uh you know you got to be careful these days like LSD there's no telling what the hell they're

50:55

giving you you know what I mean so mushrooms you know I like the fruits I don't really you know I don't I don't

51:01

have a problem with it or anything like that but like I like to stick to the fruits as opposed to

51:06

you know the candies and chocolates and stuff like that if I knew who grew them or saw where they came from that's a

51:11

different story yeah but you again you just got to be careful man they put stuff in these things you know these

51:16

days yeah absolutely and what's um I'm also not just heard I mean I know there's

51:23

different potencies to the mushrooms too so it's hard to tell what you're getting as far as strength of right how much are

51:30

they putting in there how much made it to this piece of the bar that type of thing I mean and there's also like speaking of fruits from my experience

51:37

there's different potencies there's also different like I like to say there's like

51:42

different Spirits for these different antheogens you know what I mean like like one like say Yeti for instance may

51:49

be Yeti strain May for instance be like a more fun you know uh

51:54

it's just more about laughing into something like maybe golden teachers might just take you really deep it's

52:00

like grandfather energy you know you learn a lesson you come back with something way more serious you know so I believe in like

52:07

over a period of time I feel like I've built a relationship with the spirit of golden teachers I

52:13

mean it's man I've consulted on a number of things and come out successfully based on what I

52:20

learned during these Journeys you know so I'd like to always consult Mother's Day after that whole thing

52:26

happened I went and ate nine grams of mushrooms said how many nine nine grams yeah my gosh and that was that was Yeti

Large Mushroom Doses...

52:34

they're really potent um man I ended up trying to drag my air

52:40

mattress back up the trail and uh just went back to sleep in the forest and woke up in the rain it was like pouring

52:46

down rain but yeah man it's like how was it was that the largest dose you've done no largest I've ever done was 20 grams

52:53

20 grams yeah at once yeah it was it was about 30 minutes apart 10 and 10.

53:00

I took the 10 in a in a peanut butter sandwich you know like try to mask the taste or whatever you know

53:06

and I didn't think it was working but what I think happened now is I wasn't used to having something like the peanut

53:12

butter surrounding the mushroom so it was taking my stomach longer to get past the peanut butter you know what I mean

53:17

to break down the psilocybin and the Silicon and uh so then I ate

53:23

I told my girl I was gonna eat I was like I'm gonna eat another half ounce I don't think these are very strong she was like no no you only need to take

53:28

like another five I said well I'll meet you in the middle I'll take another uh other ten that's right and man

53:36

that one was beyond like how long how long was the trip yeah I

53:41

would say six hours somewhere around there okay so it still even really took that much it didn't like go on for a day or no it

53:48

didn't it wasn't longer time wise it was just more potent you know what I mean like uh

53:54

I was crawling across the floor like puking in a waste basket trying to get to the bathroom

54:00

but I mean it was beyond Linguistics it was like there's certain things I think I've

54:06

tried to explain while tripping like we're we're writing a book right now me and my fiance

Writing a Book on Mushrooms and Psychedelics, Psychedelic Archeology

54:11

and it's called hello from another lifetime and it's her recording like she'll she'll wait till the time is

54:18

right when he's had those psilocybin trips and she'll ask me questions that we've researched in advance right

54:25

ahead of time and um we'll record them and then the next day when I'm level-headed I'll do like streaming

54:31

Consciousness writing to elaborate on my ideas and she's a writer so then she'll go in

54:36

Deep dive and we just keep going and then we take those ideas after we get half the chapter and then take that back

54:42

to the trip and that's the Psychedelic archeology right so it's called hello from another lifetime psychedelic

54:47

archeology and it's ideas bringing back from the mushroom you know what I mean so I consider the mushroom as one of the

54:54

authors you know what I mean yeah but um yeah some things I've noticed like when

55:00

you're purging when you're getting sick you know some of the purging isn't necessarily physical some of it's spiritual or energy it's like sounds and

55:07

Grunts and that type of thing you know what I mean and uh I've I've tried to explain to her

55:15

something I'm seeing at a certain point and I can say I feel okay I can say things like

55:22

you know I got to use the bathroom I can say things like that but when I try to explain what's going on I'll gag it's

55:29

like there's something like nope you don't have the right to say that out loud interesting you see what I'm saying I do it's like this is so high level you

55:36

gotta experience this you gotta face your fears and have the courage to go through this

55:42

to receive this dead serious I've tried to say things out loud before and just can't even get

55:47

it out but I can say other things that's what's crazy wow yeah so I'm go to

55:53

and and interesting to Circle back to the to the family thing like as

55:59

as I was using these mushrooms man there was times I would wake up in the morning and like just want to go give my parents

56:06

all my money and I know that sounds ridiculous you know I mean but I've done it a couple of times like just here just take all that I don't need nothing you

56:12

know what I mean like what are you doing we don't want that and I'm like no no I'm gonna leave it on the curb if you don't take it you know or just

56:19

you know text I mean email somebody in the early in the morning and just tell them how much you love them because

56:24

you've been through this incredible journey and realized what this is all about for a brief period you know you

56:30

might not retain that you know what I mean but um I got her into it she would come

56:35

out with me and my dad and uh one experience I had with my dad first time he took mushrooms with me we took a

56:42

canoe down the river in Carthage from Betty's Island it was like 6 a.m and I think we both

56:49

took like a quarter and um man at one point we fell out of the canoe luckily it

56:56

wasn't too deep I'm like crawling around my dad's laughing pointing over it was crazy but then we get on the on the uh

57:02

the shore or whatever the side of the river and uh my dad's looking up at this we're both

57:07

looking up at this eagle and I'm like thinking how beautiful and Majestic and like I'm like really enthralled by like

57:13

the magic of this creature flying through the sky right and my dad's kind of talking a little [ __ ] about it he's

57:19

like he's like oh who you think you are you think you're a badass don't you I see you like just talking all this [ __ ]

57:24

and I was like I was getting frustrated but I kept my mouth shut I was like all right now I ain't gonna say nothing you know it's

57:30

really starting to bother me though and then he just out of talking [ __ ] he's like he's like yeah I see this and then he goes hey man bear with me this is my

57:37

first time I understand what you're saying but just work with me okay and I said I said did that just happen

57:43

that's it I think so and for that brief moment I mean it was like telepathy man

57:49

I was saying in my mind like man shut up man what are you doing talking to this bird like that and we both realized it at that moment

57:56

you know so me and him started doing that more often and then my mom would come out with us

58:02

and she would just chill while we were doing it and then she started taking like you know more micro I took her on

58:07

one big dose um it was it was a lot for her but uh

58:12

then she started doing the micro dose thing and all that in a interesting interesting thing and

58:19

as you know like when they're trying to give someone who's that sick uh sometimes they can't give them

58:25

feeding tubes they can't feed them they're just they just can't get any you know nutrients or anything

58:30

and she wouldn't she wasn't really able to stomach like the um I can't remember what it was not

58:36

Pedialyte but inshore or something like that and giving her stuff like that and then

58:41

when we got her back home on hospice at one point I just took her little bit that she

58:47

would take every day you know what I mean and I put it in a cup of about that much water and I put Vitamin B and turkey tail in

58:54

there too I mixed it up and held her head and just to see if she could imagine she drank that in the last words

59:00

she said on this Earth she pointed at that cup and said that's good that's the last thing she ever said

59:07

I was like wow that's crazy it's awesome yeah but the mushrooms man they've uh

Lessons from The Mushroom, The Yoruba Tribe Story, Mystical Experiences

59:12

they've definitely shaped who I am you know where where I'm at in life you

59:17

know they've helped me with with alcohol like we mean uh me and you talked about earlier and it's um pretty

59:25

tremendous man pretty tremendous the magic of what they're capable of that's awesome man that's awesome you know with

59:33

the writings that you're doing what are some of the things that the mushrooms uh

59:38

have said per se you know that you've got to write it's

59:43

it's um let me think like how do I put this into words because it's a really deep really

59:50

really deep book um it's

59:57

it's hard for me to put into words without like reading you something you know what I mean but it's uh it's not really lessons like some of its

1:00:04

stories some of its ideas like uh you know like astral

1:00:10

projection for instance like there was an instance when I'll tell you something really really awesome that

1:00:16

happened to me this is the craziest thing that's ever happened to me on psychedelics in my whole life

1:00:22

um my mama bought me a medicine cabinet from the Yoruba Tribe right it was so it was a Yoruba Shaman's medicine cabinet

1:00:28

we didn't know we didn't seek that out on purpose but it was at a museum that was going out of business

1:00:34

and we got that I put the mushrooms in the cabinet when we got it did a little research or

1:00:40

whatever got an Uber to go to the airport because we're flying to Europe for tour

1:00:46

and the Uber driver he was driving me there asking uh where I was from who I am this and that and I accidentally said

1:00:52

you know where are you from he's driving everything's regular and he said uh from a place you may have heard of called

1:00:57

Yoruba he looked at me and made eye contact and it was almost like something else was speaking through him

1:01:03

for that brief second you know he said swear to God he said from a place you may have heard of called Yoruba and then

1:01:09

got back to it and smiled at me and I was like he said something I said would you say it was in their language

1:01:15

and it's from my understanding is modern day Nigeria so I'm assuming he was speaking Nigerian but um

1:01:22

he said something and I said what is that he said I said may God watch over you on your journey I said Okay cool so

1:01:28

I said can I record it I won't post it on the Internet or anything he said sure So I did that

1:01:33

then I came back from Europe I don't know three four weeks later because that's when covet happened the whole

1:01:39

lockdown we were leaving Cologne Germany when we had to make the decision to cancel the tour and uh I came back took

1:01:46

probably nine grams of those mushrooms that were in the cabinet man when I tell you at one point I laid back I said who

1:01:53

is that my girl she always lays behind me so if I need to feel like I'm alone I feel like I'm alone if I need her there

1:01:59

she's right there so I said who is that she says just me and I said no no no who is that and it

1:02:06

was like three seconds later it only lasted about three seconds but as real as me and you sitting here right now I mean as real is this physical

1:02:13

reality I was laying on my back and I couldn't I couldn't see my own body but I was surrounded by African people

1:02:20

tribal people and their gear their Garb could have been futuristic it could have been from the past I don't know and I

1:02:26

feel like I was either being born or dying whatever that moment was was that

1:02:32

important and I felt love from them and I felt love for them

1:02:37

I feel like there's some weird connection to this Yoruba thing through these mushrooms and I don't quite understand why or what you know what I

1:02:43

mean yeah but that's the first time I've like literally went to a place that was as

1:02:49

real as this physical reality and like I said it was about three seconds it wasn't wasn't very long at all but it

1:02:55

was it was some other stuff interesting yeah that's uh

1:03:00

I mean it's hard to explain you know to people who haven't kind of gone there you know

1:03:07

what that what that is uh I work with ibogaine which is a Boga are

Ibogaine Therapy, Ayuaschsa, Plant Medicine

1:03:14

you familiar with I've definitely heard of it I've never had the opportunity to work with it yeah but uh yeah can you

1:03:21

tell me about it sure yeah um so uh idle game comes from the

1:03:27

Tabernacle iboga root which is in Gabon Africa uh it's what the witty used for

1:03:33

the rights of passive ceremony ibogaine is one alkaloid um and it bonds to the opiate receptor

1:03:39

blocks 100 of opioid withdrawals oh wow um and uh you know the newer like the

1:03:46

fentanyl the synthetics it works differently there's different protocols now that I don't I'm not familiar with

1:03:51

but you know short lasting opiates like heroin Oxycontin like I've never seen

1:03:57

ibogaine not work on the withdrawal like he can take somebody doing three grams of heroin a day for 10 years and give

1:04:03

them ibogaine and they might have a little leg twitch but they're not going to experience any major withdrawal with

1:04:09

it and it's about a you know 24 to 36 hour trip but it's extremely strong

1:04:14

medicine very introspective you know doing a deep dive you know inside

1:04:20

yourself I actually had an African guide uh my first time oh wow and um it's a

1:04:27

big fat dude uh Jolly yeah you know yeah

1:04:33

uh I should you know it's just really joyous you know type person and but it

1:04:38

took me through gosh it was it was really rough for me uh the first time

1:04:45

and uh yeah but it's it's like a movie of of my life like you're

1:04:51

four years old and you know your dad says something to you and you realize you might be this way because of that six and you know you have uh something

1:04:59

that you completely forgot someone was mean to you that taught you that you're not good enough for whatever

1:05:05

reason there's lots of lots of that and it's been I guess I said 15 years

1:05:10

earlier I think it's 2010 I believe for 13 years actually but

1:05:17

um yeah and it I went there for opiate addiction so I was training professional

1:05:24

fighters and I threw a a tie kick and tore my lclp shield meniscus we had team

1:05:29

doctors they gave us prescription pain pills and so uh I was on them for about

1:05:34

two years and I went to quit one day went through withdrawal and over the next six month period or so I tried

1:05:41

multiple times to quit and the withdrawal got me every time so I went to a therapist and I said hey you know

1:05:47

I'm completely functional running my companies but I'd rather have a clear brain and deal with the pain than a foggy brain and no pain right right and

1:05:54

he said America is behind at times when it comes to Opie withdrawal Google ibogain and so I Google ibogaine and it's

1:06:00

illegal in America it's a legal and it's legal in Mexico and so I was skeptical

Beating Opioid Addiction, Ibogaine Ceremony in Mexico

1:06:07

though I was like man that sounds weird watch a couple documentaries it's like you know what I believe those people you

1:06:13

know how you can tell people at least tell them like I believe them I'm gonna give it a shot yeah so I took a plane to

1:06:20

Mexico City took a bus couple hours south the place called Pepa Salon Mexico we had to go

1:06:25

there sometime man it's a very very spiritual uh town uh Mountain Town

1:06:31

Copper Mountain this is beautiful and uh yeah there was a place called uh iboga

1:06:38

Quest um my friend Barry runs it and uh you know basically it was a little compound

1:06:44

uh I did an ibogaine in uh one of the one of the bedrooms basically and uh

1:06:51

I had a deeply perspective you know it scared the shadow me I remember uh you know it was

1:06:58

you take it people take it however they take it and uh I realized my biggest

1:07:03

fear was my mom and dad were going to die without knowing how much I that I loved them

1:07:08

wow I remember calling my mom like Molly I was in the middle of it you weren't supposed to have your phone I was like

1:07:15

I just wanted to tell her how much I loved her you know and that was a a bonding experience and my dad it was a

1:07:22

bonding experience that I I am so grateful for right because they knew then there was no question they said

1:07:28

they said no of course that we know but you know it's just something like when you can really Express that and they

1:07:36

know you know it's that connection you can't even really explain right and uh

1:07:41

yeah I I never did another opiate I was home 72 hours later never had a draw and

1:07:46

we're craving them isn't that crazy like something and it's I mean it's obviously just like uh

1:07:52

Mimosa hospitalist or something it's a natural yeah it comes from the Ebola root it's a root bark and then you take

1:07:59

out the uh the eyeball game you know specific alkaloid

1:08:04

um and uh you know it's it is dangerous though like it can actually kill people I've

1:08:10

heard that like if they don't administer it properly yeah or someone has heart issues okay like you have to do a uh EKG

1:08:17

beforehand if they have a what's called a prolonged QT ratio which is something to do with the you know um electricity

1:08:23

going through the heart right and um so and it is deeply energetic I remember I

1:08:29

had something in my solar plex I was laying there and I would like almost like and something would come out of my

1:08:34

solar plexus it's popping

1:08:40

um and uh edited at three three times two other times for more psycho

1:08:45

spiritual reasons and uh I did a little bit of what you were talking about where I would ask it questions and I'm much

1:08:53

more uh close to God now much more Christian now than I was uh I grew up

1:08:58

that way I grew up Church of Christ but got away from from Christianity for a long time and I was kind of just

1:09:05

you know against organized religion and I asked the uh ibogaine I said you know

1:09:13

is this good or bad and actually showed me why it's a good thing and it shows me

1:09:19

how that faith in God uh gives people hope and if we don't have hope we don't

1:09:25

have anything and uh it allowed me to

The Power of Hope, Religion, Christianity

1:09:31

really dig into the Christianity part of it right and make my own Journey towards

1:09:36

it didn't necessarily give me answers on you know the details but it opened the door to really go down

1:09:44

that path more and not be ashamed of it right you know I felt like there was a lot of shame in my Christianity I'm not

1:09:51

exactly sure why now but I did feel that way for a while and it's interesting it helped you get

1:09:57

out of that mm-hmm and it showed me too how the world has been built up and destroyed multiple

1:10:03

times in layers wow it's like went from you know beautiful you know Green nature to

1:10:10

starting to build up over time then buildings and concrete and destruction right and did it over and over and over

1:10:16

again that was a you know an interesting thing that it showed me whether that's real or not

1:10:22

you know right but that's what that experience was so um

1:10:27

yeah I mean it's it's pretty profound and then we had a a treatment facility for opiate addicts so so you do that

1:10:34

also no we used to used to be stopped and when we opened chips up part of chipset was going to be

1:10:40

uh we were gonna do ibogaine and you know the cancer right but the patients just didn't mix

1:10:46

cancer patient and a a heroin addict right you know in the same hospital they

1:10:51

just the energy wasn't right yeah I would like to try to abigain

1:10:58

for the psycho spiritual reasons like you said to experience that but that's crazy that it

1:11:04

it binds to those receptors the same as an opiates yes it works every single

1:11:10

time now it's not like a cure for addiction right people say I have to work through their issues and a lot of times the eyeball gain the the plant

1:11:16

will uh teach people why they became an addict you know it gives them that

1:11:22

opportunity but then they have to want to do the work afterwards right you know but it always works on the short lasting

1:11:29

opiate withdrawal like I mean 95 of it's wiped out every single time that's incredible yeah I've heard a lot I

1:11:36

haven't had the chance to to work with it yet but uh like with the mushrooms and alcohol like I can drink now I'm not

1:11:44

a I'm not a sober person or anything like that I can have a drink I used to be the guy they would drink and then wake up and in

1:11:50

jail something happened you know I would a thousand of those stories you know what I mean like bad things happen don't

1:11:57

know why you know you know that you screwed up so to be able to advance in my career in

1:12:03

my life with my happiness you know I couldn't keep it's not fair that some people black out you know what I mean

1:12:08

it's not fair but it is what it is you got to deal with it accordingly right so I uh I just kept it as an intention

1:12:14

while I was using these mushrooms and it amazed me because I thought if it did

1:12:21

work it would make me just stop drinking but that isn't what happened what happened was I lost the taste I don't

1:12:27

really like the way alcohol tastes more it's like it makes me feel a certain way after a couple drinks and I think that's

1:12:33

a good thing you know what I mean and it might treat other people differently it might cure or heal other people differently

1:12:40

in that regard I'm still around I mean we do like uh Whiskey Bottle signings

1:12:45

and where we wake up on a tour bus at a uh at a liquor store and go to sleep after an after party the entire day

1:12:52

revolves around drinking whiskey and this all happened like right before that

1:12:58

and on that whole run I didn't take one sip of anything on purpose just to just to prove to myself that I could you know

1:13:04

drive this ship under these circumstances and come out successfully and then when

1:13:10

I'm not working of course I have my drinks I'll do what I need to do but now for whatever reason and I'll give all

1:13:17

credit to this mushroom I'm able to control that you know what I mean I don't have those issues like I had in

1:13:23

the past that's awesome yeah and I believe it's tied to that you know what I mean yeah I mean there's so much

1:13:31

there's there's so much teaching that those that the plants can do right are you following are you following what's

1:13:36

going on with like Maps yeah big time uh what what what's your what's your

1:13:41

view on it as far as what part like legalization or

1:13:47

like the um I know they're trying to patent psilocybin yeah I mean my personal opinion like you know I'm I'm

1:13:54

not really a fan of patenting something that rolls out of the ground naturally you

Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, Capitalism

1:14:01

know what I mean it's like it's like patenting an apple I mean I guess somebody has maybe maybe they have I don't know but

1:14:06

you know something natural it's like so what happens when I say patent it does that mean that me and you can't

1:14:12

grow it and eat our own mushrooms that will then be illegal in that sense you know because

1:14:18

I don't know I mean I've heard I have yet to experience decriminalization or legalization

1:14:25

outside of traveling around and seeing what they've done with cannabis but I've heard that there's a lot of you

1:14:31

know downsides to legalization yeah my concern with it is you know you

1:14:37

think about how a lot of the plants have been exploited right and I'm not sure capitalism in the sense

1:14:46

of capitalism for-profit these plants that are meant to be given

1:14:52

away right uh isn't going to turn out bad think about opium

1:14:59

you know that's that was given and it was a very very good thing for you know

1:15:05

throughout history it was synthesized and

1:15:11

patented and in all different forms you know you have all these different things

1:15:16

uh that are that are out there and now it's a bad thing in my opinion right you

1:15:22

know okay sure can control some people's pain but overall who's created an epidemic exactly yeah I mean overall

1:15:29

it's it's really bad and there's probably other ways to deal with it if you had to weigh the pros and cons of you know what I mean the situation yes

1:15:35

same thing with the tobacco although that goes like the most sacred plant in

1:15:41

the rainforest yeah it's turned into a bad thing but now what does it do causes lung cancer you know it's it's just not

1:15:48

good for you it's all his chemicals and the tobacco right um you know and and so I look at like

1:15:54

those two examples where it's plant medicine uh and it's turned out bad I feel like

1:16:01

the plants have their own Spirits one thousand you know people might think we're crazy if they don't they haven't

1:16:07

been there but I I think that's correct uh they had their own something some type of connection you know uh and it

1:16:14

draws uh something out of people that are that's maybe themselves but

1:16:20

I guess Shannon you know what I'm talking about it's like it wakes you back up to what's real you know what I mean it's like I've had times man where

1:16:28

it's like I woke up for the first time you know what I mean and realized like wow wait a minute everything I thought I

1:16:34

should focus on I'm confused you know what I mean like it's way bigger picture than that yeah you know and like you

1:16:39

said people may think we're crazy but I mean I've gotten to the point where in my own reality I know these plants have

1:16:45

Spirits sure you know what I mean sure um we'd like you said we probably look crazy but they've taught me things

1:16:52

and I went in to consult you know what I mean to learn on purpose yeah and receive message I always joke around

1:16:59

with a couple friends and say like if this is all in my head then I'm a lot smarter than I think right you know what

1:17:05

I'm saying because I'm getting things from what seems to be outside of myself yeah you know one time I'll tell you

1:17:11

about an off topic but my toilet I was laying in the in the bathroom and my

1:17:17

toilet turned into this this weird like uh chiseled Stone Face

1:17:23

and I just was like you know thought it was crazy looking whatever I'm tripping then I went to TLT wakan outside of

1:17:28

Mexico I've been there a couple times yeah yeah and you know the Temple of quetzalcoat yeah where it has like the crocodiles coming

1:17:35

out chiseled into that's exactly what my toilet turned into and I'd never seen that before interesting so I thought

1:17:41

that was crazy you know what I mean like seeing like Mayan thing or whatever it

1:17:46

is Aztec or Mayan things before having actually seen them in person did you take some mushrooms that

1:17:52

I didn't man I wish I did but we gotta go out there too so we got a Tempo slide first it's about four hours north of

1:17:58

tepa Salon uh I only say it wrong dude I would love to go there have you

1:18:05

been to egg ballon no I have not you gotta check egg balama too it's like um I was there I don't know a year or two

1:18:11

ago and there were some guys who were definitely tripping there they were like hiding up in the temples and I was like damn I wish I was on that right now yeah

1:18:17

but uh yeah that would be killer to go to TLT what kind of do that yeah the whole that whole area like Mexico's got

1:18:23

some just amazing yeah that's the third and fourth largest pyramids in the world yeah you know right there right there

1:18:29

pyramid of the sun and the Pyramid of the Moon and Cholula you've been there no so I went to Cholula one time I mean

1:18:37

it's it's mostly covered in grass and dirt I can't remember where it's at in Mexico you're all over the place I want

1:18:43

to say it's within a couple hours of Mexico City that could be wrong but um it has a Catholic church built on

1:18:48

top and it's mostly covered in grass and dirt but you can see at the bottom you know where it's sticking out of the dirt

1:18:55

and it's uh it's supposed to be the largest pyramid on planet Earth not the highest but the footprint is the biggest

Great Pyramid of Cholula in Mexico

1:19:02

yeah bigger than Giza wow yeah yeah that whole there's there's a lot of Mexico

1:19:08

you know to to explore with that and um you know getting back to the whole

1:19:13

Spirit thing with the plant you know that's why I I I'm concerned by them patenting

1:19:21

these plant medications that are are meant for kind of everybody to have it's not meant

1:19:27

to be exploited right you know and that's what Pharma does right they exploit things

1:19:33

so um I appreciate the hard work of maps and everything that they've done but

1:19:40

this thing could go bad absolutely because you might let the wrong cat out of the bag with the

1:19:46

with the mushrooms or the you know some of the like some of the the stronger psychedelics right they're not meant

1:19:53

to be profited off of no and I love that you said that because I've had that before

1:19:58

like in the past years ago when I had cultivated and I had ended up with a little bit more than I

1:20:05

expected and you know a couple buddies were like oh man can I get some uh you know what do you want for him and

1:20:11

I said man I'm not selling them like if you need them you can have them you know here you go and uh no I'll give you something you know good good folks or

1:20:17

whatever and uh said nah trust me this is for me not you you know what I'm saying like I'm not

1:20:22

these things aren't for sale you know what I mean yeah like you just can't because you'll deal with it later you know what

1:20:29

I mean you'll deal with it in that experience and I think maybe some of the people who are comfortable with profiting off of that

1:20:35

maybe have it went deep enough to understand that that's not what it's made for no you know and I think there's a difference between someone maybe that

1:20:43

grows mushrooms and sells them right you know at a fair well whatever they're

1:20:48

doing fair price or the same thing with weed of course now weed's legal pretty much uh in most there are many states but you

1:20:56

know when it comes to the you know the hardcore I say hardcore but you know I'm saying plant medicines that'll take you deep right

1:21:03

um it's not meant to be exploited no I agree and I think there's there's going to be a balance that

1:21:10

people have to find with you know figuring out how to make a living from providing an experience and not

1:21:17

exploiting the plan right like yes someone who spends their time helping people healing people they got

1:21:24

to figure out a way to make a living but also not just I'm just Turn and Burn I'll sell you a bag of mushrooms it's

1:21:29

like maybe you pay for the lodging and the experience and in turn the fruits

1:21:34

come with the experience or something like that yeah no no doubt about it I mean that's uh it's something that I

1:21:39

learned just from from my experience like oh wait a second I don't think this is meant to be done this way how

1:21:46

low did you said that because yeah I haven't heard a lot of people say that but that's I mean I feel that way one thousand percent the same yeah just

1:21:53

because you will deal with it later you'll feel it in your soul that that was not a good idea yes you know and it

1:21:58

can be gentle or it could be harsh I mean I've had you know some bad trips for sure I've

1:22:04

had some good trips uh I'm a lightweight too I'm not somebody who can do uh you

1:22:09

know that's done a large amount like if I did nine grams I might not come back okay you got to come out with me one

1:22:15

time they're just under the right circumstances you know what I mean yeah for sure yeah that's cool but um you

1:22:22

know it's one of those things that uh it's it gives you what you need to see

1:22:30

and feel in that moment if you're open to it right yeah right and for me after

1:22:35

the bad ones is when I have some of the best breakthroughs the next day it's like I said that was the last bad one I

1:22:41

had uh I I took more than I thought I'd taken

1:22:47

I'm sure we've all been there and then and kind of people had come over uh and

1:22:52

it was you know they were supposed to supposed to come over but just hit me and like I don't and uh but I have enough experience

1:22:59

where I was like this is all going to be over at some point and uh you know don't don't panic and you know relax and you

1:23:06

know but it was it was um yeah it's almost like out of your mind absolutely yeah he's like you have to

1:23:12

just like uh surrender right so what's to what's

1:23:17

going on and just kind of let out whatever it's telling you to let out some of my best Journeys

1:23:24

um well like you said I like to refer to them as challenging trips you know what I mean like it's a

1:23:31

bad experience for sure but most of the time I think it's what I needed yes and I want to

1:23:38

the first thing I want to do when I come out of that bad trip or challenging trip the very first thing I want to do is

1:23:44

first of all integrate take my time period and then run right back in and prove myself you know what I mean like

1:23:51

just going back to say all right cool I got this you know what I mean I'm I'm back and and I've done what I was told

1:23:57

to do you know what I mean yeah challenging that's what I'm gonna start calling it instead of bad yeah that's challenging trip because it's what you

1:24:04

need to know right then you know what I mean like let people tell me like oh you it obviously you take it better than other

1:24:11

people I'm like nah man it's it's about where you're taking it you know they say setting setting you know where are you

1:24:17

taking it I mean if I took it and walked down the street I probably have a real bad trip you know what I mean I like to control everything every aspect if we're

1:24:24

inside I want to know that the TV in the other room has the same movie on repeat constantly no commercial catches me off

1:24:31

guard you know everything is under control you know but um yeah the challenging trips

1:24:37

sometimes sometimes is what you need you know but sometimes I'll go in and it's like man I'm in a real we all go through ups

1:24:44

and downs in life you know some days are great some days aren't but sometimes like come back from tour when

1:24:50

it was just stressful and you're dealing with promoters and this guy and that guy and all these different variables in your mind is so busy and racing

1:24:56

and it's like man I'm scared to death to go in but then I come out calibrated and I feel incredible you know what I mean

1:25:02

yeah it's just navigating and like you said holding the law holding on for the ride you know yeah just holding on for the

1:25:09

ride I mean I you know I I stopped doing any psychedelics for a bunch of years

1:25:15

you know in between and uh it was because I had a DMT trip

1:25:20

that uh Scotty and I were going pretty deep and going back in going back in

DMT Trip, Understanding Boundaries, Sobriety

1:25:28

and it finally kind of was spitting me out and says

1:25:33

stop trying to figure everything else just stop trying to figure everything out really you know and you you're not gonna

1:25:42

get it uh you know oh wow and so um

1:25:47

so I I listened to it it basically suggests that I chill with the DMT

1:25:53

and uh didn't you know didn't do any psychedelics for probably seven years or so and because I think

1:26:01

it's important to listen to the medicine too if it tells you something I mean like Ayahuasca has not like Ayahuasca

1:26:07

hasn't called me he's like oh why haven't you done I'll ask him I'm good like I'm not attached to like I don't need to do it to feel good about myself

1:26:13

right and it's not I mean the the signs are actually no right now it's not for you right that makes sense I mean I feel

1:26:21

that way about Ayahuasca and DMT sometimes specifically like it's easier for me to do high dose

1:26:28

psilocybin than it is to do DMT and I I mean I will do it um

1:26:34

one time I tried I said man for like you know three or four days I'm gonna try DMT every

1:26:39

morning when I wake up before I do anything right and man I started feeling like started

1:26:45

finding things that had been missing for months like I would wake my girl up and say hey check this out watch this and I'd go turn some [ __ ] over and find a

1:26:52

shirt she's been looking for you know what I mean like it was almost like uh sharpening like baby superpowers or

1:27:00

something you know what I mean like mental you know something where you're tapping into something crazy you know

1:27:05

what I mean and uh but DMT the very first time I took it was in Kauai with uh I don't know if you

1:27:12

ever heard of a skater named Danny Way he's one of the greatest ever lived he jumped to Great Wall of China on a skateboard he's a good body of ours but

1:27:19

he kept telling me about DMT and we were on this TV show in Kauai and uh I Did It

1:27:24

For the First Time there and man when I tell you when I first hit it I thought oh [ __ ] I'm actually I'm

1:27:30

dying right now what did I do why did I do that yes and it's uh when people ask it's like

1:27:37

man you can't explain the feeling because it's unfamiliar to a human being yeah you know what I mean it's something

1:27:43

I've never felt prior to that yeah did you go to see the light you go through

1:27:48

it I did I went through what felt like it was almost like an Apple computer ad you

1:27:54

know how they're like uh really clean white you know what I mean background and it was like that's why I could describe it is like

1:28:00

uh hieroglyphics made of clay that we're transforming like Transformers and I was

1:28:06

like flying through the center would you see the machine elves afterwards I've never seen that and I don't know why I

1:28:11

hear a lot about them you know what I mean it's like anything mistake they'll come to you when it comes to you if it doesn't yeah that's the thing with

1:28:19

mushrooms like sometimes you said like calling I mean there's been random nights like a Tuesday night at 2 A.M

1:28:25

when I got to be somewhere in the morning and uh you know I wake up and say man I got to do some mushrooms I was

1:28:31

like wait a minute I don't know if that's a good idea I got to be up early but then it's like wait I'm being called right now man some of

1:28:37

the best Journeys ever are when I actually felt like something was telling me I needed to do it interesting yeah

1:28:42

yeah I think it's important to listen to to the plants um and not be attached to whether you're

1:28:50

like you know I didn't like I had a Year's break but I was like no no I'm good especially because psychedelics

1:28:56

were becoming popular and people would ask me about them all the time right you know so that was the time now you know

1:29:02

finally this is what we kind of all wanted you know for uh you know from back in the day but uh yeah just didn't

1:29:08

call you know call me but now a little bit more with mushrooms um and I'll tell you another one uh San

1:29:16

Pedro the cactus I really want to I would love to do that you haven't never experienced

San Pedro, Peyote, Plant Advocacy

1:29:23

it no San Pedro or or uh peyote peyote got the opportunity to do either one

1:29:29

yeah I heard both are are good plants I heard that's like a masculine thing too like more you know like Aya is feminine

1:29:36

yes I've heard it peyote don't know much about San Pedro but I've heard that peyote is like very you know hence the

1:29:42

drums they play and everything yes more of a masculine energy yeah I'm not sure about San Pedro whether like what what

1:29:49

it is uh a purpose like the MDMA of the plants though oh really that's how one

1:29:54

one friend uh explained it to me um but uh

1:30:00

yeah I mean it's it's it's cool seeing it becoming more accepted uh

1:30:06

just I don't want it to be exploited and you know how we and this is going to

1:30:13

sound crazy to certain people but I think you'll you'll know where I'm going but how we treat the plants the respect

1:30:19

that we have towards the trip that we're about to take or that somebody's about to take that has a lot to do with the

1:30:26

the outcome right because I you know people that take it for granted you can't take it for granted no sir

1:30:33

it'll whip you buddy of mine a meal with a group called base Staters out of

1:30:38

Massachusetts they do a lot of they've done several cities decriminalization and he's got a term I

1:30:44

really liked he says standing up for these plants you know what I mean it's like and every journey I enter into

1:30:51

I literally say a version of I enter this journey with respect for the mushroom and love for All Creatures I

1:30:58

enter this journey with love for the mushroom and respect for All Creatures and then I'll say some kind of intention

1:31:03

about this specific Journey or whatever and I think you know it's important that you come into this with the utmost

1:31:10

respect and understanding you're a student you know what I mean and this ain't a game yeah debt is dead serious

1:31:16

you know what I mean yes and I love that about it you know what I mean that's what makes it slightly difficult and

1:31:21

takes courage to to enter yeah but that's where the payoff comes in too you know what I mean but I think

1:31:27

it's important to stand up for these plants and kind of be a a vessel or a delegate you know what I mean to

1:31:34

the people who aren't quite as informed you know what I mean absolutely especially as it's going mainstream

1:31:40

right yeah that's the thing uh about the book that we're working on is

1:31:46

like it's more of her asking me questions

1:31:51

instead of me asking questions but it's definitely I don't think it'll be a um it wouldn't

1:31:58

be like a New York Times bestseller type of vibe it's more of like a I'm not saying that I mean hopefully it

Inspiration for Book Title, The Sunrise Story

1:32:03

would be but it's more of like a uh it's really deep and it might be

1:32:09

hard for like the uninitiate it to completely digest you know what I mean but I think the right people will really

1:32:15

get it and it'll be dope that's awesome but it's her asking me the questions and me bringing you know back from that

1:32:22

space or whatever that is that we're receiving that from that's awesome and I think you have those ideas anyway but

1:32:28

it's just cool that she's present to record them and so I can elaborate later when I can make sense of it all right

1:32:34

that's cool how long uh have you been with your your girlfriend like 12 years oh wow yeah a long time yeah so you

1:32:41

you've been obviously through a lot together and how how did you start I'm gonna say incorporating your

1:32:47

relationship into the uh experience well when she used to take mushrooms and

1:32:54

then for whatever reason over time you know some people can't take them anymore she got to that point tried again and it

1:32:59

was just it was just rough where she couldn't do it but um I continued to do it it just naturally like when I would

1:33:06

take smaller doses she would just be around and then as I started figuring out or feeling like this was a

1:33:13

a real spiritual Sacrament or something deeper is going on she just went down a rabbit hole with me

1:33:19

you know what I mean and and just should just sit there and and make sure I'm good you know and if we're in the

1:33:26

house play my music for me and change it you know what I mean so what's right you already know some stuff you turn on you

1:33:31

might love it when you're not in it in that realm but it ain't right right then you know so anyway she'll sit there and

1:33:38

do that and um then we just started having conversations and as you know sometimes you might go three hours without needing

1:33:45

to talk to someone who's in that world but she learned like when is okay to

1:33:50

talk to me where I was comfortable and then started asking questions and then we're like wait this is wrong or something you know what I mean we

1:33:56

started just doing it for the fun of it and then it was like man let's make this book and I was at an Airbnb that we

1:34:02

rented in uh Carthage Tennessee and there was this really cool driveway

1:34:07

facing like the mountains not not the Smokies but you know like the foothills

1:34:13

and this is where the Sun would rise so I went out there about three o'clock in

1:34:19

the morning took a big dose air mattress in the driveway and it was really cool because it was like slanted so you're

1:34:25

kind of getting like a view like that of the the sunrise and that's where I came up with the title hello from another lifetime I was

1:34:31

laying there it was quiet for probably three hours and as the sun was Rising it was like glaring in my face over the

1:34:38

mountains and I remember all this again I can't put it into words but everything I was

1:34:43

seeing and then it was like it was like something folded up a box

1:34:48

that was flat like you buy a flat box and you put it together it was like it folded up this box and then tied a bow

1:34:54

on it and then put it under a bed that I felt like I was sitting on and then it was over the journey was over and I

1:35:00

looked up at her and I said hello from another lifetime he's like wait what what are you talking about

1:35:06

and I said it felt like I was a walkie-talkie for some kind of like alien child or something you know what I

1:35:12

mean like it didn't feel like it was me that said hello from another lifestyle yeah and that's when we came up with the

1:35:18

title and then started taking it serious that's awesome it's been a lot of fun it's taking you know it might take us

1:35:23

another year or two I don't know when we'll be finished finish you know editing yeah production that all takes a

1:35:29

lot of time but it's coming together really really dope thing what brought you down to um Mexico

1:35:36

when you went to Teo walking yeah we were filming a movie

1:35:43

called Mud mouth which is a hopefully it'll release next year so that's a whole nother story but

1:35:50

it was for yellow Wolf's album mud mouth which is his he had uh sometimes wide

1:35:55

last and before that we put out mud mouth and we filmed a whole movie which

Filming Mud Mouth, Movie Production in Mexico, Teotihuacan

1:36:00

was from the first song it's like a it's like a merge of a musical

1:36:05

uh a regular movie some animation and the reason why it was supposed to drop in 2021 the reason why it didn't come

1:36:12

out is because the people they had hired to do the animation we just didn't like it we kept telling

1:36:18

on Madison this ain't the vibe it's about an LSD trip and the LSD brand uh

1:36:24

like you know if it was orange sunshine or something it's called Mud mouth and uh wolf had me be the chemist in the

1:36:30

movie who's making the LSD is really cool it's incredible incredible um

1:36:36

Cinema man this crew called gorilla Hollywood and our boy gorilla Mike filmed the movie and we went to Mexico

1:36:43

because there was some crazy incredible DPS down there and uh

1:36:48

you know we could get things at a good rate and a different look you know what I mean that type of thing yeah but uh the animation the Cinema's all

1:36:56

done the movie looks incredible but um there's three songs where it goes to animated and they just didn't hit the

1:37:02

nail on the head and we started searching for somebody new and I found this guy through some

1:37:07

friends and I was like man it's perfect talk to his manager they were like oh he's not available so I let it go I

1:37:13

didn't even tell wolf about it and then like three weeks later he came to me he was like yo I found a perfect dude and

1:37:18

it was the same dude I found and this guy's not just out there in front of everybody like I don't even know where he found him I said that's crazy that

1:37:25

you found him man I already talked to his manager he's not available this and that he was like man I'm not hearing

1:37:30

that man let's make it happen so we got a hold of him and told him what I just told you and ended up getting him on board but he

1:37:37

let us know it's going to be 16 months before I can deliver because you know he's drawing everything

1:37:43

and uh but it's going to be incredible man but next step is

1:37:48

shopping into film festivals you know trying to get the buzz up so we can sell it to somebody that's awesome that's

1:37:54

what took us to Mexico and we were there for about a month right and while we're there we went to Cholula until t.o.t wakan

1:38:02

it was fun man I love Mexico yeah that's it's incredible uh you know you you

1:38:08

would love tepa Salon Temple Sun might be one of your favorite places really yeah man it's it's a special place what

1:38:15

is it close to uh corn ivaca it's about two hours south from um Mexico City okay the Mexico City Airport

1:38:22

um but I've heard is where Timothy Leary did mushrooms for the first time I've heard I'm not sure if that's correct but

1:38:28

that's uh that's the the word on the street per se and

1:38:33

um it's a very trippy town I mean the just uh the flowers are more vibrant the

1:38:41

yeah there's just a it's a very very you know there's a lot of different spiritual healers that are there uh it's

1:38:49

got more energy than uh any place I've been just highly energetic

1:38:54

and so um yeah and actually my friend Barry still has a Boga Quest there they do uh

1:39:02

eyeball gain treatments for people and uh I haven't been to the new location but

1:39:07

um I mean the whole you know there's mountains all around you and you're kind of in a valley and

1:39:12

yeah they're super high and they look copper with dark green and copper colors yeah like Lord of the Rings type stuff

1:39:19

wow so you can go down there just to do the the ibogaine outside of the addiction purposes right

1:39:26

like yes absolutely yeah uh Barry would uh like that yeah iboga Quest

1:39:32

um they do the addiction and psychospiritual now do they do it where is it like a group of people or uh no

1:39:39

you you well uh I don't know how it is now but generally like from back in the

1:39:46

day you'd you're gonna be in like a room by yourself you might have some other uh checks on you and you know things like

1:39:53

that but um I'm not sure it's the best way oh yeah I mean it's it's pretty awesome but

1:39:59

they also um you know my friend did uh San Pedro there there was a shaman that came in from I think Peru uh that did

1:40:06

that uh maybe Colombia um and uh lots of different plant medicines you know berries like an old

1:40:14

hippie so he's probably in his 80s now I think he's maybe 80. and uh you know

1:40:20

just a great guy I mean I I owe him my sobriety from uh opiates you know and

1:40:25

that's really incredible you would love them and I'm sure their place is awesome too so I've been we've emailed back and

1:40:33

forth uh recently and he's like you gotta come come down so when I schedule a trip I'll let you know if you're free

1:40:39

please come yeah I would love to be cool um so talk about like you know we talk

1:40:45

about a lot about psychedelics uh you know what are the goals you know in the

1:40:50

next uh few years with with your career I guess managing Yelawolf and you know

1:40:56

any other goals you might have yeah my my goals right now are I'm passionate about getting involved in this

Career Goals & Ambitions, Yelawolf, The Psychedelic Renaissance

1:41:02

psychedelic Renaissance and basically on the terms that me and you were discussing you know I don't know

1:41:07

what the path is for me personally yet I just want to help push this thing forward in a positive way you know be an

1:41:15

advocate for the plant specifically like we said stand up for the plants um outside of that as far as management

1:41:20

or as far as music business we're rolling out this double album for Wolf and I'm just excited about that man

1:41:27

I mean the music's incredible we got a lot of work cut out for us you know like we want to do um last time we did

1:41:33

worldwide Street marketing campaign I mean all over the world from Australia to Paris to New Zealand to Los Angeles

1:41:41

you know we're going to do the same thing this time um that's a whole thing we're touring in

1:41:47

between you know but my end goal like as I as I grow is to somehow get involved and

1:41:54

help with this whole psychedelic thing you know I don't even back to the working for free I'm not worried about

1:42:00

the money you know what I mean I'm worried about the money will come you know what I mean I'm I'm worried about or not worried

1:42:06

about I'm focused on um you know just helping it be a positive

1:42:13

transition and helping educate people properly because there's a lot of unintentional misinformation about

1:42:21

psychedelics their use their pros and cons you know I mean there's a lot of people who don't even know they're not

1:42:26

they're uninformed you know so I just want to help with that and uh I'm sure it'll take on legs of its own and it'll

1:42:33

figure itself out in the process but I like that it's it's cool to talk about not I don't mean

1:42:39

cool to talk about it but it's okay to talk about it more now than it was before yeah you know what I mean we we

1:42:45

probably wouldn't be having this conversation five years ago sure you know what I mean but yeah that's my goals man is to just

1:42:51

uh Circle back just to try to figure out how to make the world a better place while I float through you know what I

1:42:57

mean yeah absolutely no and hopefully roll out some good albums

1:43:02

in between yeah you plan on uh uh staying in Nashville as home base you

1:43:09

plan on kind of moving somewhere else or what I would love to eventually have houses you know in different cities and

1:43:15

stuff like that but uh I gotta play some Red Boiling Springs you know what that is it's out by um if

1:43:22

you go to Carthage and then I think you go like North not positive but I got some land out there and uh I

1:43:29

love it man like I would I would be comfortable there you know it's nice to have places in different cities

1:43:35

but I I love love Tennessee yeah I see myself probably staying there forever

1:43:41

and hopefully having places you know in different places yeah yeah I'm the same I like I like Nashville

1:43:47

uh I gotta travel though absolutely I get a little stir I get a lot stir crazy

1:43:54

if I'm in one place too long right and so I'm not a big fan of the summer hot

1:43:59

summer so like if I can go to a little cooler place in the summer you know cooler as in 80

1:44:05

degrees rather than 95 and humid yeah but and then the winter I'd want to go

1:44:12

somewhere else too but I I like Nashville April through probably March through end of May September October

1:44:19

Midway through November and then you know couple different places Puerto Rico

1:44:25

my girlfriend uh she lives in Puerto Rico we met there so I wouldn't mind having a little place there maybe Costa

1:44:32

Rica is nice yeah um have you been to Costa Rica I haven't man you gotta check out uh the guanacosta province it's one of

1:44:40

the uh what is it called Blue zone is that the zones that people live to be like 90 plus is that what I think it's

1:44:46

called a Blue Zone uh but um yeah it's it's one of those zones probably because

1:44:52

they're happy and it's nice and happy good water exercise sunlight right you

1:44:57

know good diet yeah that's that's that's uh you know they have a very specific

1:45:02

diet right um you know now we have so many chemicals and you know in a lot of the

1:45:09

things that we do and the food and the water and the you know something crazy I was talking about the other day like

Diet, Toxic Chemicals, Bad Habits

1:45:15

I've always drank a lot of soda and I wished it recently I've stopped on

1:45:22

purpose like on tour you know we get so much they give us all this Rider stuff and I just drink water water to try to

1:45:28

you know stay healthy but I've always wondered why like growing up it wasn't something that I

1:45:33

was I almost feel like I should have waited to be older to drink soda eat certain things that were processed or

1:45:39

you know what I mean like dude it's so bad for you so bad I mean you're growing up too man I would drink I would drink

1:45:44

sodas as well I mean I love Dr Pepper when I was a kid I would just chug

1:45:50

you know I'd be outside after a workout or something just chug a Coke chug it like it's okay yeah like it's okay yeah

1:45:57

no exactly you know even the sweet tea man I love sweet tea goodness I mean I remember going to Hooters on Harding

1:46:03

Place back in the day I mean you know I mean I know you know that I don't know exactly you know so I would go there and

1:46:11

I would hang out I was like 18 19 years old that's where my my friends and I would be for lunch and I would just chug

1:46:17

the sweet tea you know with ice a big 32 ounce just I had like three or four of them drinking a half gallon of sweet tea

1:46:24

just that one sitting and uh not knowing you know how bad it was for me oh my God

1:46:30

yeah I can remember hearing the sugar pouring when my grandma was making the sweet tea you know what I mean like and

1:46:38

just not know like you're saying not knowing man how horrible that is for you yeah

1:46:43

they don't well at least when we were growing up like nobody taught us those

1:46:49

things right and it wasn't his his uh relevant I guess like people didn't really talk about that as much no

1:46:57

I mean well the health you know the health aspect you look at right now life expectancy in

1:47:02

the United States I think it's 77 years old um it's actually down uh due to the covet era

1:47:09

and you know with all the advances in medicine you know nothing no advancement in

1:47:16

medicine uh makes up for like the good diet and you know being active you know

1:47:22

what they say is like most of which you I can't remember the same but when people were working out they say like

1:47:28

most of it happens in the kitchen right yeah okay most of getting fit happens in the kitchen well yeah I mean and you

1:47:34

know the if you want to live a long time you know you need to be on a good diet right it really is it's that's like one

1:47:43

of the main Keys drink a lot of water don't drink the sodas you know but you

1:47:48

know and there's so much debate on what what diet is the perfect diet I don't know right I mean you know there's

1:47:54

there's so many you know good studies on multiple ends right so but pretty much

1:48:00

you know what is a good diet and what is a bad diet stay away from the processed food stay away from the cokes stay away

1:48:07

from you know all the all the Breads and the the right all that type of stuff eat

1:48:12

as raw as possible yes I mean as clean as possible organic uh you know those

1:48:19

type of things uh and that makes a bigger difference than just about any

1:48:25

scientific breakthrough probably with the exception of antibiotics right yeah I mean antibiotics were a big deal so

1:48:31

you add antibiotics in there you know to save you from a bad infection uh and

1:48:37

then add a great diet with exercise activity

1:48:42

you know you're you're going to live 90 to 100 years old dude I was reading a book I'm currently reading a book I was

1:48:49

reading the chapter in a book called the path to light last week and it was talking about diet and I'm

1:48:56

not going to try to quote it exactly because I don't know but the gist of it was drinking like raw vegetable juice

Raw Juice Detox, Gerson Therapy at CHIPSA Hospital

1:49:03

and things like that can actually in some form or fashion push these things out of your system

1:49:10

yeah when you're eating naturally and not processed right it can like essentially chase that stuff out and

1:49:15

heal you yeah so so you know our hospital that's kind of what we're known for that's why I don't want to get into

1:49:21

debates on diet is because there's so many out there I don't want to like talk bad about any any of them because I

1:49:26

don't I don't know about most of them and different ones might have different purposes exactly and uh but you know we

1:49:32

go through three to four hundred thousand pounds of organic fruits and vegetables a year

1:49:38

our hospitals all organic our cancer patients get 13 fresh pressed organic

1:49:44

juices a day they're doing 15 to 20 pounds of raw fresh organic fruits and

1:49:49

vegetables a day and uh you know yes and it energizes you could take a cancer

1:49:55

patient you know that has low energy due to that the cancer you you fill them up with that much juice and it's like

1:50:03

you see it sometimes not every time sometimes they're too far gone but man you know it absolutely matters right and

1:50:10

you know you think about what hospitals give people what were they giving you Rob and sure dude let me tell you that's crazy you said that it just man

1:50:17

at one point I was reading all the stuff about sugar and I mean they brought up this plate

1:50:23

and I mean I was taking pictures and showing it to people say like this is the diet you're giving these people right now let me show you what I just

1:50:29

read about sugar and cancer you know what I mean showing them and they're stuttering and don't know what the hell's going on but yeah it's crazy and

1:50:34

I went to the vending machine and I mean it was just Mountain Dew and Doritos yeah I'm like wait this is what

1:50:40

you're feeding the people who are here with the people that you're trying to treat yes I don't quite understand you

1:50:45

know what I mean yes it seems like someone on quality control would be like it's a bad look you know what I mean

1:50:51

yeah yeah but they're that's we we built our hospital with that you know the

1:50:58

opposite idea right so that's what you that's dope so I mean it's you got to come down and check it out but I

1:51:03

remember you telling me that yeah that it's about a lot about the diet yeah it's all about yeah getting the body

1:51:09

back on track and healthy yes good nutrition nutrition is not everything but if we're to think that it's nothing

1:51:15

and and that people can just eat whatever they want and get better like right that's that's silly to me right I

1:51:22

mean does that like who who would think that like you can just feed these people this garbage and you're helping them get

1:51:28

better somehow like I'm not saying that it's everything but like yeah you give somebody

1:51:33

quality high nutrition Foods you know with we we press our juices so all of

1:51:40

our is fresh pressed generally we try to have the patients drink it within one hour of it being pressed so all those phytochemicals and nutrients have not

1:51:47

you know died off it's fresh wow and you know you can go to a Juice Shop locally and still good if it's pressed a day old

1:51:54

but I mean you get within the hour you're getting all of that everything

1:52:00

that God intended to be in that you know right nature intended to be in that it's it's there because even when you cook it

1:52:06

or microwave I mean you're getting rid of a lot of that you are yeah and even the centrifuge um uh juices and they're not bad they're

1:52:12

still better than you know something processed but you know there's different levels of what's really good for you the

1:52:18

best juice for you is the juice that's been pressed you know immediately and drinking immediately you can do that

1:52:25

within the hour I mean and uh that's where the best nutrition is and

1:52:30

if you have someone who's sick you want them to have the best nutrition absolutely like he you gotta ask like

1:52:38

why do you think they don't want someone to have the best nutrition when they're going through something like that I

1:52:43

think it's probably for the same reason you know what I mean like they don't it's like you don't want to heal the

1:52:49

people you know what I mean if if you're not troubleshooting and checking every

1:52:55

aspect of what could potentially cause the problem then there's a reason for that right

1:53:01

yeah I feel like it's you know we get so used to taking a pill

1:53:06

for everything mm-hmm and we missed the bigger picture right I mean the bigger picture is if someone's

1:53:12

on a good diet not obese uh they're going to live longer no matter you know that that's going to

1:53:19

beat the best medications you know almost every time right you know in the long term right and it's

1:53:26

these other things are just like Band-Aids they're not they're not real cures they're just kind of masking the

1:53:31

symptoms you got it temporarily yeah you know imagine if and it's it's easy

1:53:37

to say this if they would just prescribe meditation and exercise and sunlight and they've got to get people to do it right

1:53:43

which you know that's patient compliance is a huge issue is it oh yeah but that's

1:53:49

what I mean if if patients would comply to that so do you guys that's do you guys push that or not push into right

1:53:56

word but uh like encourage that at your response oh yeah well I mean so yeah I

1:54:01

mean and we're getting away from from the the full Gerson because it's very hard for

1:54:07

patients to do it's not their fault per se right but those that do it you know they have a better shot for sure

1:54:13

meditation that's 13 no 13 fresh pressed juices a day five coffee enemas a day like it's an intense uh protocol and so

1:54:21

we still have you know we still have the setup of all organic uh fruits and vegetables press juices right uh we just

1:54:28

and we still still have it as an option but we have other options you know for their diet in this event they can't

1:54:35

stick to that exactly right but you also got to be cautious with their you know they might not feel like being

1:54:41

too healthy right in that mindset oh yeah patient compliance is a major thing when it comes to their treatments you

1:54:47

know sometimes patients don't want you know it's hard enough to get someone to exercise three days a week and not drink

1:54:53

soda let alone drink 13 fresh press or get juices a day right you know but no

1:54:59

yeah meditation we have to absolutely encourage that we have classes twice a week called the power of the Mind

The Power of The Mind Class, Mindset

1:55:05

see and uh we have uh you know the patients go through a process where they share their experiences and we teach

1:55:12

them how their words matter uh you know we show them what it's what it means to be fully committed you know and

1:55:17

partially committed we show them um you know a lot of these different things so the mind as well just like

1:55:22

we're talking about nutrition it's not everything but we know it's something right same thing with the the power of the mind it's not everything but it's

1:55:29

something right you know imagine if you were training a fighter for the UFC and you were like uh don't worry about

1:55:35

visualizing you know you know it doesn't matter if you think you can win or lose it doesn't matter right yeah you'd be the worst coach ever

1:55:41

but you tell them to visualize get your hand raised you're a champion those type of things and if someone's going into a

1:55:47

battle with cancer it's a lot like a fight boom you know yeah better have good

1:55:53

nutrition you better get their mind right right you better get your mind right that's something I've I've heard

1:55:58

about a study in the past I don't know if it was uh basketball team I don't know you might

1:56:04

know because you were just talking about it but the coach they did some kind of study where one group didn't practice at all

1:56:10

one group just practiced and didn't visualize then one practiced in

1:56:16

visualized I believe it was and the one that practiced and visualized you know was the the best performer sure

1:56:22

you know and there may have even been one that just visualized and it was actually better than the one that just

1:56:28

practiced yep you know what I mean but showing to your point the power of the Mind man like you know you can go down

1:56:35

the rabbit hole as far as that goes anyway but it's very important in anything you're doing you know what I

1:56:41

mean whether it's surviving healing or even if you're dying you know what I mean while dying it's important to keep

1:56:47

that positive mental attitude yeah you know I mean thoughts are things right yeah whether whether you believe you can

1:56:54

or can't you're right period yeah I mean that's and so it usually does concepts

1:57:00

for healing uh you know I think it's you know especially for the in-stage

1:57:06

patients uh that are going to the the stage four patients metastatic cancer

1:57:12

patients they're going through you know every little bit matters right and it's

1:57:17

so underestimated in uh medicine and conventional medicine that we see in the U.S they don't even

1:57:24

talk about these things like your doctor generally the doctor is not going to

1:57:29

talk to you about the importance of having you know having a strong mind and no no watch how you talk to yourself and you

1:57:36

know are you in a good head space and are you focused and you know to do those trainings but it's because we've chased

1:57:44

the patent which is why I was concerned with the um with the plant medicine being exploited

1:57:50

we chase this patent which is this perfect drug that makes billions of dollars for the pharmaceutical companies

1:57:56

or whoever gets the patent approved and we lose common sense

1:58:02

common sense is diet exercise sunlight love it's Common Sense man it's not

1:58:11

that's not Advanced science no it's actually old science yeah who knows oh

1:58:16

it's how they used to do before all the things that we have in society today yeah and then you know you have

1:58:21

antibiotics now so yeah you get a bad bacterial infection you'll save you you know you're gonna have extended life

1:58:28

from that don't abuse that either right but you know nothing none of this modern medicine is going to uh you know do

1:58:37

better than you know those type of things your lifestyle you have something called epigenetics which are environmental

1:58:43

factors that turn on the genetics I mean these epigenetic factors the environmental factors

1:58:48

they're a big deal you know and one of those things is how much stress you have how much anger how much happiness those

1:58:55

those things turn on good or bad things right and um but mainstream medicine per

1:59:03

se conventional they don't it's not part of the prescription right and by that

1:59:08

you mean like like for instance stress releases is it cortisol yes like so and cortisol can

1:59:15

lead to um you know problems disease right oh yeah so that's kind of what you're

1:59:20

saying like whether it's anger or something yeah that's why it's so important to get to the silence to

1:59:26

figure out how to clear your mind yes you know to get back to that to be able to do everything in your power as a

1:59:32

human being to dodge anger when possible you know and that's its own task yes man

1:59:38

it's so hard coming from you know a business world to uh a world where we're

1:59:45

just kind of hanging out talking right now right because you know I've got a couple hundred employees and

1:59:50

um you know you catch me in a work environment I'm a lot different than if

1:59:56

we're just hanging or talking or I'm with the patient or those type of things and I have to catch it it's like you

2:00:02

know uh um my dad you know growing up

2:00:07

great guy but you know temper you know and uh so I guess I I have uh those

2:00:14

genetics you know that to those Timber genetics and um but I'm aware of that

2:00:20

anger too so it's it's a constant balance right you know it's interesting when you know something kind of like

2:00:26

overweight people know that they shouldn't be that being overweight isn't good for them but they keep eating right

2:00:32

you know so sometimes when I experience anger I know that being angry isn't good for me but I'm continuing

2:00:39

it and it is a choice right and it's almost addictive at a certain point you know when you get that and you're kind

2:00:45

of putting fuel on the fire yeah have you ever uh looked at uh Shadow work I've heard of it recently but I don't

2:00:51

know much about it yeah so I did a six-month course um called a journey within last year

2:00:58

and it talked about that and so yeah you have the Shadows kind of like the I'm

2:01:04

gonna say the darker side per se and um you know and then you have the golden

2:01:09

Shadow which is the good part of it that raises above and then you know generally you live above your Shadow but your

2:01:15

Shadow will come in and mess things up and a lot of the course is talking about how you can

2:01:21

you know acknowledge Your Shadow at least be okay with these bad I say bad parts about you it's not necessarily the

2:01:27

courses say it's not good or bad it's like but um it's to acknowledge those those parts

2:01:33

about you and and you know you can also use it in a positive way uh you know so

2:01:40

you can Channel those things like let's say where you do need where where your normal self says hey let's not stick up

2:01:46

for yourself your Shadow can kick you in and you can really stick up for yourself absolutely and use that as a tool yes

2:01:52

and so that's what one of the things the course does is uh it teaches you how to

2:01:59

use it as a as a tool so now I'm just really aware of it too I'm like hang on but I'm experiencing anger I'm like oh

2:02:05

okay yeah like Let's uh there's a shadow yeah that's my shadow that's my shadow but um

2:02:13

yeah it does we do have to be careful with those things because

2:02:18

um especially if they consume your life which it does a lot of people are so unaware they're like completely unaware

2:02:26

of of those type of things I'll tell you something I like to say like in in business like

2:02:33

fast-paced business right um you know when you've got these ups and downs this guy might be really excited

2:02:39

and you want to congratulate them and this guy over here you got to kick his ass because he just screwed something up you know it's like I like to say as

2:02:45

being professionally bipolar you know what I mean especially like touring on the road you've got to be happy and

2:02:51

smiling this minute help the old lady across the street and then choke out the promoter next because the side spills

2:02:56

are too small yeah you know what I mean it's like there's a lot going on there but and then there's something I wanted

2:03:02

to um touch on that you you said something about a second ago with the shadow stuff

2:03:07

I have this idea of like the only thing I can think of to call it is a psychic ceiling right and the way that it

The Psychic Ceiling, The Illusion of Limitations

2:03:13

revealed itself to me was I used to live in a duplex way back

2:03:18

and I had a pit bull and I didn't have a backyard or anything for him to go in so when I wasn't home I had this like long

2:03:25

lead and I would put the lead on the on the back door he could run through the hole downstairs he just couldn't get upstairs

2:03:30

and right next to him was the refrigerator which had everything he ever wanted in

2:03:36

life right every all the food he ever wanted is everything he could dream of that he wanted right there in life

2:03:41

but his brain was too small to understand that he just had to walk over here wiggle it open and he could have everything he ever wanted

2:03:48

and I think that's a psychic ceiling you know what I mean it's like he doesn't understand that there's something above that that he doesn't know that he

2:03:55

doesn't know right so I always say like in my own life there's a refrigerator next to the door in my life that I'm not

2:04:01

aware of you know what I mean yep I think that goes back to you know that

2:04:07

type of thing like dialing into your your mind and the power of your mind and understanding

2:04:12

like I'd like to challenge myself and try to figure out how do I get to the point where I can understand

2:04:18

the things that I don't know I don't yet know you see what I'm saying yeah absolutely and that's a tough one how do

2:04:24

you yeah the the unknown unknowns exactly yeah yeah no those those will

2:04:30

get you if you can get to them you know yeah no I mean it's good that that you know

2:04:36

you're you're searching because I mean a lot of people don't search I'm the same way man I'm I'm definitely uh searching

2:04:44

and I think the more you realize that like the the longer you go the more you

2:04:49

realize you don't know right right you know I mean that's that's how it is with a lot of the cancer with me right now I

2:04:55

feel like I know less now than I did you know eight years before you know what you know oh God yeah that's crazy

2:05:01

it is man because you've now realized how broad this thing actually is right it's so complicated it's so complicated

2:05:07

and there's So Many Factors I don't I'm not like one

2:05:13

that's a big conspiracy person on oh they have a cure like yes I get messages

2:05:20

all the time like oh do you think that there's a cure for cancer I'm like well you know cancer is not a disease

2:05:31

not just a to Z's so you know breast cancer is different than pancreatic cancer is different than liver cancer is

2:05:37

different than uh glioblastoma so and then you know two

2:05:42

people with the same cancer can get the same treatment one can respond the other won't oh wow and so that's great and it

2:05:50

just multiplies because you know and then could it be one of the things it could do with is the mind could it be

2:05:57

you know uh the the the attitude going in if they're super negative you know

2:06:04

um could could that hold them back right um you know could it be uh well we know now

2:06:12

we can actually tell uh from tumors if they can respond to immunotherapy or not

2:06:18

so like the the landscape of a tumor can tell you if they have the buttons that

2:06:24

can be turned on uh or if the buttons are turned on to where it can unlock the

2:06:30

immune system and be seen by the immune system because these cancers evade being seen by the immune system so really

2:06:36

simplifying cancer in one way to simplify it this is in everything but it's can you get the

2:06:43

immune system to see it or not that's pretty incredible like just to think about that yeah the immune system

2:06:50

sees it it's going to attack it so it basically bypasses the immune system absolutely yeah

2:06:56

that's crazy man I have an aunt who I didn't realize it's too weird going through the thing with my mom but uh I

2:07:03

mean I knew she had cancer I knew a little bit about it she lives in Delaware I didn't understand the magnitude but she had stage four brain

2:07:09

cancer and they gave her three months to live and she looked at my uncle and said

2:07:14

I'm furious and you know I mean I don't think he said like what why you know he knew why but he didn't know how to

2:07:20

respond and was like she said I'm gonna fight this and man when I tell you it's been two

2:07:26

years yeah and if you see her in person you know you would never know anything was wrong with her she looks incredible

2:07:32

yeah I'm sure there's I don't know their daily routine but I'm sure there's a long battle to fight along the way

2:07:39

but she's here with us and no sign of anything otherwise happening you know

2:07:44

what I mean that's incredible yeah it's crazy it's like but like you said you know my mom we were in there you

2:07:50

know singing I told my dad bring the guitar like we're gonna you know we're gonna have a good vibe man he came in there she was singing with us and

2:07:56

boy sounded like Johnny Cash she pointed it out she was like I sound like Johnny Cash and like you know we're in there like really I mean like people are

2:08:03

looking down the hall like what the hell who's so happy down there you know we're singing and just trying to keep her spirits up

2:08:09

but like you said one person reacts this way the other right and she she was fighting but it's pretty crazy and I was

2:08:15

fighting like kind of like um a much higher Stakes level of

2:08:21

the tour thing like taking that same uh I gotta get this [ __ ] done quick and get

2:08:26

it done immediate regardless of what this guy says he can or can't do and apply that to this

2:08:31

not understanding the magnitude of pancreatic cancer because in my mind I

2:08:37

didn't have the time to research I'm just trying to fight these people and make sure they're all doing their job yeah and then I've you know figured out it's

2:08:44

it's pretty it's one of the main ones that you know is terminal right sure yeah

2:08:50

absolutely but uh yeah it's pretty crazy man yeah she was at the very end too it had caught you know they caught really

2:08:57

late they caught it really late and it was yeah it was really unfortunate yeah because I know it it it's going to take

2:09:04

you regardless but who knows maybe you could have bought some time you know that type of thing yeah for sure but uh

2:09:10

yes that's cancer though you know you don't now I'll tell you like the Futures somewhat bright and it's bright because

2:09:18

we'll be able to well we can right now to uh not the perfect level of accuracy

The Future of Cancer Treatment, The Pharmaceutical Industry

2:09:24

but a high level of accuracy we can take patients blood and see if they have circulating tumor DNA in their blood

2:09:31

oh well like long liquid biopsy okay so you know how the tissue biopsy they take the tissue to see if they have cancer

2:09:36

but it should be as simple as a blood test here you know in the next seven to

2:09:41

ten years I mean it already is in a way like for certain cancers you can tell there's a company called Grail uh that's

2:09:48

owned by alumina um they've got a FDA approved test there's a couple other FDA approved

2:09:53

blood tests and really people should be getting that test once a year just to see you know if they have uh if

2:10:00

they have the circulating tumor DNA if they have you know if there's something going on right now oh yeah you can get

2:10:07

it so I think the Test's only like a thousand bucks too so I think rail brought it in pretty cheap uh when I say

2:10:12

a thousand bucks on this lot for it's not not cheap for everybody but it's pretty cheap a lot of these other tests

2:10:18

some of the other companies are charging a lot more than them but uh yeah I mean liquid biopsy uh because early detection

2:10:25

is key you're talking about with your mom if they would have caught it early you know you could even do surgery right

2:10:31

you know and they they can be a curable type thing right sometimes um and you know if there's a blood test

2:10:38

that somebody took once a year and that's coming that's coming and then they could figure it out early enough to

2:10:44

oh yeah you can tell by the DNA uh what the cancer is so you can tell if it's in

2:10:49

the liver your lung that's really incredible liquid biopsy yeah yeah we had been using it for many years in

2:10:56

Mexico uh before it was FDA approved we were using it for

2:11:02

um specific cancers and monitoring like if someone had lung cancer we would understand the markers and be able to uh

2:11:09

sequenced at DNA um and tell how they're you know how

2:11:15

their cancer was doing um it's real advancement yeah now it's

2:11:21

it's kind of mainstream a lot of people don't know about it right but yeah the the future the future's pretty

2:11:28

bright with cancer I mean we're we are gaining a lot of traction right now and uh

2:11:35

you know that the biggest thing I think in our way is you know really the pharmaceutical

2:11:41

industry uh [Music] it it holds back really innovation in in

2:11:50

many ways um and uh it slows it down right now it's

2:11:55

it it's just slow because everybody wants to have their patent through and in my in my right to

2:12:02

say that is also way more profitable to just kind of uh put the Band-Aid on

2:12:09

right and let someone ride out the I think that field or whatever I think that is some that's correct somewhat uh

2:12:17

but I think that the science is coming on so fast right now so you'll have different things you have for instance

2:12:23

something called car T cells which is a turmeric antigen receptor uh cell uh T

2:12:29

cell where they take the patient's blood um they program the T cells to attack

2:12:36

the the cancer what's called an autologous uh meaning from the patient's

2:12:41

own body treatment yeah that that's really good for blood cancers you have something called tumor infiltrating lymphocytes or tills that's probably

2:12:48

chills are probably five to ten years away from being approved in America we're going to be doing them next year

2:12:53

at chipsa um but uh that where we take a piece of the tumor and then we basically uh you

2:13:01

know train uh the lymphocytes to infiltrate and expand

2:13:08

those and uh we expand the tumor infiltrated lymphocytes and then we

2:13:14

re-inject those um things like that but combination therapy within there like for instance

2:13:20

the car T cells right now it's about a half a million dollars that treatment our goal next year is do the cartes for

2:13:26

under fifty thousand dollars for the patient and so you know right now insurance doesn't cover it for a lot of people in

2:13:31

America says like how do we bring down the price to where I mean still a lot of money for people but it's a lot more

2:13:37

doable than a half a million bucks I mean a lot more duel yeah so if it's life or death it's like you're gonna

2:13:42

figure it out yeah you know what I mean exactly that's yeah super affordable for that situation yeah so you got those two

2:13:49

coming up and there's there's a bunch more in the immunotherapy kind of Realm

2:13:54

right uh that have a lot of potential so but I still don't know how you cure all

2:14:01

cancer right because it's so many different things it's like it's not just one

2:14:06

disease and yeah that's crazy man yeah I didn't like I said I didn't realize

2:14:12

the pancreatic thing was so I mean I was really going for it like you know arguing with these people trying to make

2:14:18

them figure it out yeah of course and then I was like wait I think it's what Steve Jobs died from

2:14:24

right that's one of the things that helped me realize okay this is bigger

2:14:29

than money you know what I mean that's you know that's one of the things that helped me realize that is I mean that

2:14:35

dude had all the money in the world you know of course it wasn't a money problem with him it's not yeah I mean it's 15

2:14:41

months survival is around 15 I believe with uh pancreatic right and uh

2:14:47

you know when I like when I talk to you it's interesting because you know we talked during during that time and uh

2:14:54

I've talked to a lot of patients and there's always the I don't ever want to not give hope right

2:15:02

and it's it's a it's it's just try to do the right thing in the conversation gotta be a difficult

2:15:08

balance it's difficult yeah because you know what based on what this thing shows

2:15:13

probably the case you know but uh one of the things she

2:15:19

said to me and I thought was like the hardest [ __ ] anybody could ever say man like I'll

2:15:24

hold this on forever is when the doctor came in and told us you have 17 months it was just

2:15:31

me and her I almost passed out and hit my head like it was it was surreal it didn't seem

2:15:38

real you know what I mean and um she just grabbed my hand and held a little tighter and she said maybe this

2:15:44

is just our cards and kept it moving and I was like I don't know anybody who could have been

2:15:51

tougher in that moment which that's all she said was maybe it's our cards and I

2:15:56

was just like damn I'm gonna carry that with me forever you know yeah those words whatever the hell it is we're

2:16:02

dealing with maybe that's our cards you know I thought that was it just stuck with me

2:16:07

it's like damn she was little tiny lady but man tough as hell yeah absolutely that was dope to to carry on yeah

2:16:14

something to remember and you know we learned a lot man when when people are dying and uh when loved ones are are

2:16:22

going through that and you know uh the balance too is letting the person die

2:16:28

with dignity as well because a lot of times they'll hold on for uh their loved ones right so the

2:16:35

person that's you know dying is fighting so hard just because they don't want to let their loved one down and so that's

2:16:41

that's another thing I'll tell people sometimes like hey you know there's sometimes you gotta let them die with dignity not that I know when that time

2:16:49

is right but just if that timing comes and you feel it you know consider it that makes sense no it makes

2:16:56

complete sense and it's like to add to that uh when she was at home on hospice

2:17:01

it was me her brother uh her sister and uh

2:17:07

my fiance and my my uh my dad and uh at one point

2:17:13

she they told me go take a nap me and my uncle been up for like three days just just with her every minute and then uh

2:17:20

let me take a nap I said I'm not gonna do it I already know what's gonna happen you know I mean I stayed up or whatever and uh Elder handle heart was holding

2:17:27

her hand when she passed and she waited till my dad I he was like I think he might have been uh you know

2:17:33

he's dealing with a lot so he was like pacing back and forth in the other room and was having a hard time settling down

2:17:39

rightfully so we all were in our own way and uh he came in there and I asked him

2:17:44

I said he's a musician like I said I said please play her song she can hear it oh yeah man he

2:17:52

he cried his eyes out man and she let go that's when it happened

2:17:58

right right after he finished that song and I think like you were saying I think she was waiting on everyone to be you

2:18:04

know okay yeah yeah it's crazy it's beautiful it's uh there's certain things that are

2:18:10

hard to understand right like we and when you're going through those there's nothing more real than that right

Closing Remarks

2:18:18

um you know your mom's there and family bad and uh you know you realize what's

2:18:25

the most important thing right making them as comfortable as possible making sure they all loved yeah they are and uh

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you know it's uh it's very real and I think we we are losing in some ways

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we're losing our way as humans because um

2:18:46

we have our phones we have these other things that don't really they're not important right nothing's more important

2:18:51

yeah you know you know being with our loved ones if you could pay if you could get

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it every amount of money that you had for you know another month or even a day

2:19:03

with your mom would you do it 100 I'd give everything I ever make you know what I mean yeah for sure and um that's

2:19:09

something bigger than mine absolutely absolutely well but it's been great talking to you

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I don't know how long we've been going here it's uh over over two hours that's oh [ __ ] great conversation great I

2:19:21

appreciate you having me yeah thanks for coming on and then uh maybe we can uh do it again sometime yeah absolutely man

2:19:27

really a lot of fun thank you brother