00:00:00 so many Physicians are leaving the field right now they're very unhappy they know they're practicing sick care it's not health care it's sick care the paleo diet was a key for me how do I feed a 34y old healthy man in order to keep them healthy they don't teach you that in medical school let's build a system around the permanence of Health not the periodic treatment of disease a lot of times people just say oh well it's just my genetics but there's an epigeic factor that has a lot more to do with

00:00:25 things than the the genetics what do you think is more important nature or nurture nature being your genetics nurture being the environment you grow up in the system is really not geared for health it's geared for sickness one female client lost over 150 lbs by just following a paleo diet her ability to get through her day it's all changed testosterone rates are dropping Plastics are permanent indicine disruptor once a polystyrene plastic molecule has bound to a testosterone receptor it is permanently bound that's scary it's

00:00:52 totally scary Dr Howard welcome to the podcast good to be here thank you for having me yeah so you're a a surgeon by trade um you're a doctor in Nashville and I don't have another doctor in Nashville and so people always ask me oh where do you go and of course I I get my blood work and stuff at my hospital and stuff but if I have anything in Nashville you are who I text or call and uh I completely trust you with that so I appreciate you you being there for for for me on that one absolutely appreciate

00:01:24 it and thank you for the confidence and you know in what we do yeah absolutely so uh where did you get get started with your medical school with uh uh your training those type of things I grew up here in Tennessee um and after you know getting my first couple years in college done I originally started out I wanted to do physical therapy and then I thought well probably a better role for me as being a physician I had uh in high school I'd worked in a local pharmacy that was owned by a cousin of mine and

00:01:53 did home IV therapy I learned how to do some compounding of drugs in that environment you know this was the early 90s at that point so I had a pretty good hands-on experience coming into college and I thought that you know medicine or Healthcare was definitely in my future and uh after uh I went to a community college the first year um we really didn't grow up with a lot of money so we got I got like a needs-based scholarship to go to a community college for a first year and then I ended up uh going to the

00:02:20 University of Tennessee at Martin I graduated there and then I came out and I I realized that I as a you know as a student in that time with my scores in GP which were a little above average but basically average that I probably was not going to get into a US med school so I started to look at alternative options for that and I ended up going to St George's University which in my opinion was the premier Caribbean Medical School uh especially when it came to leading you to a residency in the US at least a

00:02:52 good quality Residency program and then having a very high firsttime pass rate on the US ml step one which is kind of a critical test that you got to take it really sort of determines the quality of your residency that you're going to get so I went to St georgees spent two years in the Caribbean islands which was a great experience um did step one did well on step one which was crucial for me uh as a foreign medical graduate at that point I knew I wanted to do surgery I knew I wanted to do surgery kind of at

00:03:20 the first at the end of my first year of medical school I felt like that was probably where I my my heart was leading me to and once we got into clinical my first rotation was surgery in um in Brooklyn New York at Lutheran Medical Center I haven't been there in a long time so I don't know what it's like now but in those days it was a it was a great place to learn and I got a great education and then ended up um meeting my wife and not at uh in Brooklyn but in New Jersey I continued my rotations over

00:03:51 New Jersey did my residency at lehab Valley Hospital in Pennsylvania did a general surgery residency there at the time it was the busiest level one Trauma Center in Pennsylvania we had the hospital doubled while the time I was there I mean it was it was an excellent training program uh the men that trained me that and the women that trained me were really high quality individuals first and then second exceptional clinicians exceptional doctors so I got a great training came out um decided I'd actually signed up to

00:04:24 do a a fellowship I wanted to to do plastics was was what I wanted to do and I for various reasons I I wasn't able to make that work and I was asked at one point if I wanted to go and try to do a pediatric heart surgery fellowship or you know General heart surgery General cardiac and then specialize in Pediatrics and um I love kids you I mean um I always did well with them and was able to work with them very well but anyway that that I just didn't feel like that was my calling so I did sign up initially for a burn trauma Critical

00:04:57 Care fellowship at lehab Valley and then after considering all the factors I said no this is probably not the right path for me so I came back to Tennessee started working as a Hospital employee general surgeon which was uh a miserable experience to kind of phrase what year was this was 2010 I graduated residency okay yeah and um so I finished residency came back started started operating in a local hospital and um you know the people were great right the the the ability that I had to take care of people that I grew up with

00:05:29 right that I knew was really it was fantastic the problem was is that the quality of care that we were able to provide wasn't quite you know the where I thought I could really do my best yeah and so I also had simultaneously started to experience some health problems that I believe were the culmination of residency and the stress that residency sort of put on my body but then also making some bad choices at a time when my body was trying to recover from residency what I mean by that was is 3 months after I started working at this

00:05:58 hospital I'm gaining weight and I'm looking around the room at the doctor's Lounge going you're starting to look like that guy and that guy over there you know what I mean this ain't looking good yeah and the common denominators that you guys all meet for lunch in the same place and you're all eating the same crappy food yeah buddy so I started to change my diet right this was like early 2011 I I went really deep on learning about paleo dietary philosophy um reading some of the old papers and sort of old thoughts that

00:06:23 have been generated around that and and I felt like like Lauren cordain has some great work out there if any body ever wants to read that but um yeah I felt like the paleo diet was a key for me right it's it's sort of and I had I remember giving uh lectures to medical students on surgical nutrition and you know if you had short gut syndrome or you'd lost your large intestin to some kind of disease process or whatever I knew how to feed you but what I didn't know was how do I feed a 34 year old healthy man

00:06:53 in order in order to keep them healthy it's a different strategy they don't teach you that in medical school they do not teach you that in medical school not surprised by that right neither should anyone else be um and and that's you know that's another thing I'm sure we'll have a t to talk about but the system is really not geared for health it's geared toward sickness and so I started to realize that very quickly I put the Paleo dietary philosophy in place with my clients or my patients who I was

00:07:17 treating at the time uh as a general surgeon I did a lot of colonoscopies um and a lot of upper endoscopies I think I've done over 10,000 colonoscopies and about 5,000 egds or upper endoscopies and you start to realize p patterns you start to realize how you can help people I was I'd got to a point where I was able to advise people about how to do things without the need of surgery and medicine and I thought to myself like okay if you want this if other people want this then let's build a system

00:07:46 around the permanence of Health not the sort of periodic treatment of disease and so in 2017 we launched Compass kind of really built off of my experience and not only kind of helping myself but then kind of moving forward to with other people and helping them achieve the same goal you know of trying to get healthy you spoken of healthc Care's failures to prioritize actual Wellness um what specific changes you know would you implement within the system it's interesting you know so this whole make

00:08:15 America healthy again movement has caught a lot of traction and I think there's actually thankfully a lot more awareness now about what all of the facets that I think could be changed to fix that and I I did kind of set out an agenda if you will about if if I were to be asked to participate in the make America healthy again movement in some way as a with my experience What Would I bring to the table what would I recommend or how would I try to attack this problem and I think that there's definitely um

00:08:48 subcategories that you kind of got to break down I think everything from insurance and regulation needs to be evaluated um I think that we need to train doctors differently um because the training unfortunately is actually most people don't know this but post uh postgraduate training or you know residency training in the US is actually funded by the Medicare system so once you so Medicare basically pays the hospitals a stipend for each doctor that they train and um so the hospitals do make money off of having residents there

00:09:19 and uh and that system is funded by the national by the federal government and and so I think that training has to be evaluated we need a a revamp of what's allowed in marketing you know I I sat on the couch the other night and I was watching some we GOI or some other you know some I don't know what it was but it was some drug on commercial on TV and I told my son I was like we're only we're like only one of two countries in the entire world that allow this to happen you know multiple anti-depressants seen over the course of

00:09:45 a one-hour TV show kind of thing you know and I think so so there needs to be truth and advertising along with marketing meaning that people need to have labels that accurately reflect what's going on rather than food trickery um I I mean it goes deep into that I I think that we really have to evaluate all facets of this even even like access to certain types of therapies why is it that we can't have bpc 157 but we can have CIS platin you know as a chemotherapeutic option and and yet you know bp1 bpc157 really in my

00:10:22 experience and what I know I can't find a single reported case of harm yeah and so there's a lot of things where when these drug I'm sorry it's because you can't patent it that's right you can't patent it it's not really a profitable Venture for for these companies you know yeah um and it's definitely going to take away business from them yeah because if I'm squirting a knee with PRP and bpc you're not going to need a surgery you know and so it's going to steal money from the system overall if I

00:10:47 squar a knee with those types of peptides or compounds we're we're you know pretty much going to be able to at least most of the time avoid a surgery and so I think that the incentives need to be changed like and I think the insurance Market would actually be a good way to kind of attack a lot of this because you know you should ideally we should incentivize people to save pre-tax dollars to use for their basic Healthcare right in other words most people are going to end up in their doctor Primary Care doctor's office

00:11:12 let's just say a couple times a year once for a physical once for a sickness so what if we were allow we knew the cost of that we knew that we were we could incentivize people to take pre-tax dollars put that in an HSA then when they need that money their insurance is not involved in that transaction their insurance would be involved maybe if they needed a surgery or and I tell my clients this on the kind of primary care side of things whereas a lot of people uh access us or utilize us as a primary

00:11:37 care sort of arrangement and while for a lot of people they will pay out of pocket for that and still keep maybe even an insurance-based primary care doctor in case they need it what they also realize is that we are we're using our dollars in a much more efficient way and I tell them like don't go to your primary care doctor or use your insurance for the little things that you can pay for you will definitely save money on things like MRIs ultrasounds CAT scans you can save so much money by just paying cash for those things and if

00:12:09 we did it on the primary care side which is kind of the most frequent stopping point for most patients we could save people so much money but what is like uh you know for for an MRI what does an MRI cost if you don't have insurance 400 bucks oh my gosh 375 I mean if you go down like an hour outside of Nashville or 45 minutes outside you're paying like 350 to 400 here in Nashville you're going to pay probably 450 to 500 wow okay yeah people don't realize that because you know the insurance model is you know they're

00:12:35 they're paying the MRI facility 750 a th000 or whatever is that markup and a lot of people don't realize as well when it comes to the pharmaceutical drugs these pharmacies if they could offer the patient the drug uh at a lower price if they didn't use Insurance they're not allowed to tell the patient that yeah yeah I know I mean it's so crazy it's backwards completely backwards there's there's a lot of medications like that I mean the whole patent process I mean I play the patent game personally because

00:13:04 we have to we have biotech we you know that's that's the fill that we're in but I don't like it I don't like the idea that I mean you know I've got to protect what I've you know my idea which our ideas at least you know it comes to the Cellular Field there's a lot of other science that goes behind it and you're like trying to find one little way that's different enough to protect to to write IP and to protect it that's right that's right and um you know it's a it's it's a way to make a lot of money but I

00:13:31 don't think it's the best for society overall the system's not the best yeah no I agree with you I think that's definitely true it's not the right thing and or or at least the right process that could be utilized we could refine the process make it better and um yeah I I mean that there's a lot of things on the make America healthy again that I think that we would definitely the the general populist would benefit from doctors specifically would also benefit from and I think that's an important point to because so many Physicians are

00:14:02 leaving the field right now um they're very unhappy I I mean I honestly I can't think of a single person that's still practicing traditional medicine that I know that if given the opportunity that they would continue to do what they're doing right and if they were offered an exit ramp of some kind that made logical sense they would take that exit ramp yeah it's it's because they know they're practicing sick care it's not Healthcare it's make a difference man it you get beat up when you can't when you just see

00:14:30 people stuck in mire all the time you know what I mean when they're just sort of mired up in their disease and there's no real there's no trajectory forward for them yeah you know and that that just sucks man because you're not really able to move the needle for anybody well I mean think about this like out of all your primary care patients I mean how many of those patients are you prescribing 15 drugs to it's like that you that started with you you know you're not yeah yeah no nothing exactly I don't have any of those but then you

00:14:54 think about the the regular system there's a lot of doctors that okay you're going to take this pill for this and this this is going to be the side effect of this and all of a sudden they're on 10 or 15 medications that's right most most of which are covering up the side effects from the first seven or eight right yes and uh I mean but someone who's actually practicing Health Care uh would never do that right that's right that's right and I I felt like that you know I was one of the things I noticed early on was I I would do like I

00:15:20 said a lot of egds and I saw a lot of what is a EGD upper endoscopy right so I'm looking down through the esophagus into the stomach and then the first part of the small intestine typically uh after people are complaining of like upper abdominal pain bloating reflux heartburn so you're always kind of looking at that esophagus to make sure that the reflux is not damaging the esophagus that could turn into esophageal cancer over time and so I would I would do these uh procedures on people and and after mean you know an

00:15:48 intelligent person starts to look at the pattern and you can kind of see it it's not that complicated and so you start to see that okay most of the time when these people have these complaints their EGD is negative right it's not like I can see or find something on biopsy or pathology that leads me to a diagnosis so then the natural thought for me was okay well then it must not be within the organ that's diseased the problem must be coming from the outside and so I thought what's the most common source of

00:16:14 where that problem be coming from it's diet and so that's when I started putting people on a Paleo diet and there was a classic there's this lady named Wanda that came to see me and she was like 62 years old she was overweight you know she was drinking like I don't know four Diet Cokes or five Diet Cokes a day kind of thing and she was basically having some bloody stools constipation diarrhea alternating constipation diarrhea with bloody stools and then some abdominal pain with reflux and I told her I said

00:16:38 look you just had an upper endoscopy and a colonoscopy like two and a half years ago the likelihood that you've got something in at your age that has changed drastically in the last two and a half years is basically nothing right like you got a better chance of getting eaten by a bear wearing red lipstick and high heels in the parking lot than you do of me finding something on this yeah and I said so I'll make a deal with you what if for four weeks you tried my Approach for four weeks I want to ask

00:16:59 you to follow certain steps for me and if in the end of that four weeks you're not better then we'll do your procedures how about that she says I'm in so four weeks she came back she lost 16 pounds she gave up the diet coke so she was down to like one a day but the the other symptoms that she had had gone right nice and so now I I had a Believer I had someone who I could kind of start to work with and so after seeing that a few times man it doesn't take long for you to realize the value of that yeah um and

00:17:23 so I got to where I was treating my clients in my general surgery practice mainly with dietary and lifestyle modifications yeah I was I was going to ask you what does it tell you that the Modern Health Care system in the United States doesn't teach diet to Medical Doctors yeah I you know well you know we were talking about the training right everything that we're trained to do and it's funny because you don't realize it you know when you're in it you just don't see it this way and then you get out and you start to kind of assimilate

00:17:51 all of these pieces together and I it for me it became pretty clear the training that we have is meant to only use or or to um to treat disease processes with the tools that the insurance companies and the drug companies want us to use so they you don't really get exposed to imagine if I were a mechanic right it's kind of like they gave me one tool chest but I see other mechanics over there that have different tool chest than mine you know why do I not get their tool chest right what's in that box I want to know what's

00:18:20 in that box Y and and I think that it's the training part is where we can really fix that yeah um and also too in med school I remember there was a professor in genetics I sat there and every everybody always thinks their Crow is the blackest kind of thing you know and this guy was a geneticist so he said well when we finally decode the human genome we'll be able to unlock all disease and me and a friend of mine kind of looked at each other and thought yeah no no that's not really going to work right there's too many other

00:18:46 variables that are epigenetic factors epigenetics alone is enough to say that you don't even understand this right like um and so yeah I I felt like there's definitely more to disease than just genetics there's also more to disease than just diet you know there's a lot of things yeah have you heard of Gerson Therapy yes yeah Max Gerson I think Max Gerson right so uh my hospital is the original Gerson Hospital nice so um you know and it's on Tam Center our new hospital we don't talk about it on the website it's just so controversial

00:19:16 but I talk about it openly you know uh amongst anyone really because I know it works now it's not at all out cure for cancer by any means I don't know of a cure for cancer personally um and we've tried pretty much everything you've been on a mission to try to figure this out but I have definitely seen it cure cancer you know and I'm talking about diet alone uh with Gerson Therapy I've seen specifically with like lymphomas or melanomas which makes sense because melanomas are one of the most immunogenic cancers so you see the

00:19:49 immunotherapies are working best the checkpoint Inhibitors are working best with melanoma and so um this epidemiologist that we had working with us he had been there for 40 years uh he did a published study peer-reviewed published study in the 90s uh with Gerson Therapy uh versus other therapies for melanoma and the fiveyear survival on that was 36% that's with a diet therapy and remember before immunotherapy melanoma was a fatal exactly so um I mean I I've seen it work over and over now it's an intense

00:20:25 intense diet and it's one of the reasons I don't even recommend it to people because who really how many people are going to drink 13 fresh pressed organic juices a day do five coffee an A Day take all these supplements I mean our patient compliance was really bad and I understand why but I I say all that because the idea that diet can't actually work and now we know that the gut microbiome plays a huge role in the immune system and cancer and so I was thinking maybe that one of the mechanisms of action was the gut

00:20:55 microbiome maybe it was doing so much change to that that's what was causing these huge regession ression of cancer and we would see it you know sometimes I mean the tumors would melt away with the melanoma or lymphoma which just diet yeah so I mean I say all that to say yes uh you know diet obviously works as you're saying uh how many different that's an intense diet with your dietary changes how many people do you think could be treated for most of their illness without medication 60% 60% maybe more diabetes

00:21:31 oh 100% I mean well let's take type two okay type two let break take type one out let's just focus on type two I mean I believe that type two diabetes is 100% a a disease caused by diet but and conversely we're all pre-diabetic you know what I mean like if we all sit here and ate sugar cookies and ding-dongs every day you'll be di you'll be a type two diabetic what do you think about um exercise you know so if someone has a good diet but doesn't exercise a lot and their numbers are still sneaking up so I

00:22:00 think there's four factors i i i instruct clients four fact so one of the labs that I check on every panel is a hemoglobin A1c and my speech to clients goes something like this a hemoglobin A1c of 5.0 or less is just more correlated with longevity and we can talk about longevity as a lot of things we can talk about it as cognitive function we can talk about it as grip strength we can talk about it as muscle Masters a lot of metrics that that we can Define that by but at the end of the day a lower A1C means that you have less

00:22:29 likelihood of developing high blood pressure stroke diabetes any of that other stuff and so there are four factors that I think are very crucial into modifying that A1C so the first one is the amount of carbs that you eat um so like how much you eat when you eat them um what type of carbs they are right so 60 grams of carbs from sugar in a Snickers bar not the same as 60 grams of carbs from a sweet potato um and so the timing the amount uh and the sort of makeup of the carbs I believe makes a huge difference I believe that your

00:23:02 stress level makes a difference I believe that how much you you exercise and then how much your muscle mass you're kind of holding on to so I sort of and then the timing of day that you eat those carbs so those factors all together to me constitute the boxes and the pieces on the chessboard that I'm trying to move when I'm lowering A1C when when do you not want to eat what's the worst thing you could do I would say probably after about 6 or 7 o'clock at night I wouldn't eat anything really yeah okay um I mean it

00:23:30 just doesn't make sense to me metabolically it doesn't make sense I mean you're not really going to expend any calories past that you know and um obviously we could think about people who work night shift and we could cify them out but but as a general rule most people aren't going to expend any calories after say six or 7 o'clock at night yeah so it's kind of like dumping a lot of fuel into your system with no place for it to go interesting and I think there's an energy backlog or energy backup that occurs and to me the

00:23:59 worst thing kind of like we we probably all know somebody that had too much money and too much time and what those things can do to human behavior yeah and I think taking that same thing put in too much fuel even a good source of fuel into a system that's at rest and you're probably not going to get a good outcome and I you know look okay so last night I ate I had like two patties of hamburger with a little piece of cheese on it and then I had like some sweet potato fries that was my that I made myself and that

00:24:27 was my supper and then I went out and I took a 30 minute walk after that on that walk I did 20 air squats Ronda Patrick who's a researcher you know young lady out there that puts out some really good content she said recently that walking 25 minutes or so after eating lowers your blood sugar by about 30% walking uh for 25 minutes or walking four 25 minutes after eating yeah say within the half hour hour after you eat can lower your postp prandial blood sugar by about 30% wow okay and supposedly 10 air

00:24:53 squats can achieve the same goal so I was talking to my client I said look what if we what if we walked for 30 minutes and then did 10 air squats every 10 minutes so now we're doing 30 air squat we're gonna kill it man like you know so anyway I've started to get more kind of hacky if you will about how we can hack blood sugar yeah um so I don't eat late um I believe that intermittent fasting is good another thing that I've seen that will send the blood sugar up is guys now who are trying to intermit

00:25:19 and fast so they're doing a Tim restricted feeding they'll eat it like let's say like 12 and five or something you know and since they're trying to get in 200 gram of protein they eat these massive groups of protein kind of at like one big chunk or two big chunks and what happens is that when you dump or you consume that much protein sort of in your system at one time your body can only metabolize probably around 40 to 50 grams of that the rest of it probably going to get converted to Sugar through

00:25:46 the liver by a process called gluconeogenesis right and then your blood sugar is going to start to spike after that so I've tried to advise clients who are trying who particularly are on the heavier protein side but then also trying to do Tim restricted feedings that don't think of it as two big groups think of think of it as more like four small groupings yeah so that we spread that load out over time and not Spike that blood sugar yeah I just had a A1c come back at 5.8 I was shocked because two months

00:26:14 before uh it was 4.8 and I'm like how did it and but I I've been eating even healthier drinking a lot less you know I normally drink red wine that's my drink of choice but I mean maybe once a week now and I'm like what the hell is going on but stress is high I have been eating late and I was just thinking of what it could be that could cause it you know I have not been exercising like I should so I mean there's a few different things but like uh you know I think it's a little more than diet though it's those

00:26:42 four actually the four things diet's probably the most important well yeah would you would you say that diet is the most important thing when it I would because yeah if you just don't put it in there then then you don't have to OV exercise to compensate for the blood sugar rise I'm going to start the 25 minute walk after I eat at night and do the 10 squats in between you know that sounds like a great idea especially if you get a 30% little bump that's a great hack it's a great hack it's so easy to

00:27:06 do and you know the reality is that most of us we will probably sleep better you know I think we'll have an opportunity later on to get into one of the phos philosophies that I teach clients called The Sheds philosophy and kind of how that works out and you know that stress response will change how metabolize how you're going to metabolize your macronutrients your sugar and stuff and then but it's also going to affect how you sleep mhm know so if we take a walk and kind of get that stress out let our

00:27:31 blood sugar come down then you will likely also have better recovery and better sleep at night growth hormone levels may go higher which means you're going to have a better Stem Cell release and sort of all the benefits that come from growth hormone yeah I think overall that evening walk is not only good for blood sugar but it's going to pay a big dividend in other areas too now I saw a video that you did recently that you said that uh giving blood every quarter um you think is really good uh for your

00:27:57 health and it made actually a lot of sense to me I never thought of it like that because you're getting new blood in the system and uh cleaning it out uh talk about why you think it's a good thing to give blood a recorder I was reading a book called Madame bovery about four or five years ago and in the book a physician is describing or the author describing a physician doing a photomy or you know what they they call blood leting back in the day and I started to think to myself at that point I was reading this I thought okay this

00:28:24 has been going on for like hundreds of years you know those people were smart uh and I I believe that we shouldn't throw those things out so I started to think about that and then it made me reflect on the times that I've had a male client come back in because sometimes I recommend photomy because it's needed and meaning that their hemoglobin is starting to climb and I'm just trying to prevent sort of any issues that because of testosterone generally right one of those things that happens on testosterone and you know

00:28:52 there are certain factors that certain guys have that make that more likely for them but at the end of the day I started to think to myself like okay there's that group that needs it or will benefit from it but every time they go get photomy 100% of the time they come back and say Doc I felt better like I felt so much better after I did that and then I'm thinking to myself I'm like okay so they've been doing this for hundreds of years in rural environments when they really didn't understand all of the

00:29:18 mechanisms of it every time I send a client to do it they report feeling better and our our wives or the females in our life have a photomy every month for 35 years of their life right and they typically don't have as much risk of heart disease and a lot of other bad things that we as guys do so I thought to myself okay what's the link why why are those three things possible and what is the link of frequent bloodletting or frequent photomy in that so so kind of as you alluded to I believe it's more of

00:29:44 a cleansing thing we're sort of taking out some of the old we're forcing our body to replace it with new um I think that uses up our iron stores I think it promotes iron metabolism and sort of the natural healthy balance between the blood and the bone marrow um I believe it can rid your body of impurities like so if you're having certain types of toxins in your body I believe that getting that red cell turnover increase can be good uh to sort of help rid of your body of those things and then I I also think that

00:30:14 um there's probably something to the the stressor that that may put on your body a little bit kind of like a hormetic stressor like what we would consider sauna in a way and I I just think that plays a positive role too so there probably is some sort of neuro hormone Al mechanism in the background that's playing in that uh you talked about the make uh America healthy again uh movement um what do you think it will take for a mindset shift in society uh to really allow Americans to actually be healthy I believe that most people don't

00:30:53 actually believe it's possible they've been conditioned through watching their parents get on Pharmaceuticals and progress down this path of chronic disease and and sort of dependence on the system it's only a small group of people maybe 5% that have a a window to see outside of that picture you know or an opportunity to see outside of that picture and without um so the reason why at the time there were three three factors that I saw confluency together that made me think that it was a right time for

00:31:33 Compass to exist the first one was is that I was noticing a greater adoption or a greater interest in people say under the age of like 45 or so who were not wanting to go the same path as their parents so first of all I saw okay there's an awareness coming it's small now but it will grow there's an awareness coming that the path that our parents took is not what we want the second thing was is people started to realize like would rather invest money in my Wellness rather than my sickness so because the the whole insurance

00:32:03 change that happened and they're realizing I'm paying more for nothing more that's really helping me so if I want something to make me live longer help me live longer help me live better it ain't going to be found in my doctor's office that was also gaining traction and the third thing that I I thought was important was the technology or the factors that can actually help people achieve Wellness were actually now starting to be available in in an easier way to get it right things like ozone and so forth M and so um I I I saw

00:32:35 those factors as big sort of cataly if you will for you know for what's going on um I believe that if if there was an opportunity for people to engage a and I don't I I hate to use this term health coach cuz I don't think that a lot of health coaches actually understand Health you know they don't it's kind of like somebody who hasn't sat in a clinician's chair and interviewed thousands of people you you can definitely speak on health from an uh from not having that perspective but what what would happen is that your

00:33:10 perspective on health would change if you sat in that chair and evaluated a thousand people right so you may have some good advice but your advice will be more Salient and better and you will refine it once you have those experiences right um and I think that if we could incentivize a a way a method that people could really have access to somebody who can tell them not what you need to be sick but what you need to be well and and it's so easy it it's really not that complicated right uh hard to do but very

00:33:44 simple and that's where a lot of people struggle I'm like look I'm not gonna the program will help you succeed but you have to commit to the program you know like I I promise you it'll win I mean I've got one female client who has lost over 150 lbs by just following a paleo diet right and you know this young woman was struggling with some female hormone issues kind of at her age mid- 40s kind of woman you know and and overweight 300 and something pounds and she's like man I don't know what to do I'm like I'll

00:34:14 tell you what to do don't eat these damn foods like just don't ever eat these eight Foods that's all I want you to do and yes that means you're probably not going to go out to eat as frequently yes that means you're going to have more work at home yes that means that you're probably going to give up some things that you would rather eat but I can promise you you will get what you want and 15 months later that's an average of 10 over 10 pounds a month she's lost 155 pounds I mean I saw her in the office

00:34:39 like two weeks ago she looks amazing it's fantastic what does she say you know oh she's great she's happy you know her her ability to get through her day and feel confident about her life and the relationship with her husband and her family it's all changed what what's that like as a as a doctor that you know can give specific advice to their client that really is not mainstream but it changes their life and ultimately it's gonna have her live a lot longer what's that feel like oh it's great but you

00:35:07 know and I give the power to them right I mean I turn around and give them the credit because it's there I said you did the work they did the work sure you know I mean all I did was just tell you here's the Playbook go learn the Playbook right and if you follow the Playbook you'll win the game yeah and um and so I I I try to be a cheerleader for my clients like I a lot of what we do is more about we're going to help you set goals and set some expectations and then we're going to hold you yeah um you know we become like a health

00:35:30 therapist in a way you know how can we help you get rid of the negative patterns of behavior but I want cookies yeah yeah get it I get and I tell them I'm like and you are going to want cookies and it's okay to want cookies it's just not okay to eat cookies to give give into that want yeah exactly it's okay to want it it's not okay to give into right yeah yeah no it's it's interesting that's one of my my favorite things about running CPI and Tam is that you know when when you you support some someone in and getting better and seeing

00:36:00 them you know come out the other side healthier or out of pain stronger whatever mental health is better I I don't think there's anything better than it it's like it is my favorite thing oh it is it's the Pinnacle of yeah like I feel good when I go home yeah yeah I know that when I lay my head down at night you know my mission was achieved what is one of uh the most extraordinary uh cases you've seen where someone you thought wasn't going to live very much longer and you were to help them yeah so

00:36:29 there's a guy actually who um had Co and uh he ended up on emmo uh survived ECMO wow and um had bilateral chest tubes I mean this guy was really really sick got out of the hospital um and you know after I think it was about nine months six to nine months I believe after he got out he had gone through all the sort of conventional things that the doctors were trying to do to help him after after going through all this MH and um he ended up finding us um and I basically started the program the way I would with anybody

00:37:07 else um and now here we are a year and a half later this guy's swimming again you know his life is back he he did have to use hormones for a while but subsequently was able to get off of those after his body got back to balance you know so so not everything that we did with him had a sense of permanence to it some of it was temporary but we did use o o we used exosome intravenous uh exosome infusion uh ozone was a big part of it for him um and then temporary hormone replacement but yeah I mean this

00:37:36 was a guy who basically could barely walk like you know he may walk 50 yards or so and then he's going to have to stop and catch his breath and now that guy can go swim oh that's awesome I mean a huge quality of life change for him and and I mean that's a profound one but you know look if you take a mom who comes in and says like look for a week and a half out of the month I feel like I want to I just want to shake you know somebody the by the shoulders and RI their head off and you you fix that

00:38:01 woman in a way that her hormones are a little more balanced and she's like yeah my life is so much better like I'm not I don't feel angry I don't feel emotional anymore I didn't just fix her life right I fixed everybody that comes in contact with that woman's life yeah absolutely you know and everybody around her is going to recognize the change that they see within her yes you talk about uh the disease of mediocrity yeah um talk about where that comes from and uh why why you why you say that well it's I think it has a lot to do

00:38:35 with childhood too but but surgical training definitely puts a little bit of that in into me I my my grandfather was a German Catholic uh we were pretty strict Catholic household um you were kind of told to do things one time and you were expected to do it to the best of your ability and you know no job is sort of worth half-assing it kind of thing and do everything to the best of your ability and I grew up with that in my in my head I carried that through um I wasn't always a diligent student so I

00:39:06 can't say that I did it academically but when it came to doing a job and taking pride in my work I really that is important to me I try to handle every interaction with the utmost integrity and virtue that I can and so and every every if if if I'm going to go train or I'm going to go work out I'm not going to half asset I'm going to give it my best and so um I I I took that passion into surgery and and what I found was is that it's it's not um it's not optional to have that in a Surgical Specialty you must

00:39:42 have that surgeons are born not typically made it it has a special you have to have a special type of mentality and thinking process and ability to adapt and ability to sort of think differently and not everyone has that mhm um so from the standpoint of what I saw as being Excellence I believe that there is a now a huge drop in what is considered to be excellent in in in so many areas of society across the board you know we see people who can barely drive a freaking car and change lanes and they don't and yet they want

00:40:19 to go online and lecture us about how we should be raising our kids right you know or we see people who are grossly overweight binging on being broke trying to give either health or financial advice to people and I just don't think that that's the right way or or telling uh you know telling us that Elon Musk just got lucky or you know oh yeah yeah that's why the judge from Maryland like rescinded all of his bonus options that he had because he just got lucky he just got lucky and he hit these crazy wild

00:40:47 goals and nobody thought he could hit him when he made that deal by the way except him maybe I think I have to believe that he did sure he did but yeah nobody else and his that's why his board was like yeah if you want sure if you could do you can make you know 10x all of our money then yeah you can have X Y and Z this is the same thing with Trump right like they got paid back their money there's no crime here you know no it's it's it's unbelievable I agree there's a disease of mediocrity I will

00:41:09 say this though I don't think that there is any time uh at least in my lifetime where it's been easier to be successful because you have all these weak men out there AB we're we're competitive guys we you know high testosterone we were we're we're Fighters those type of things you we like we see it innately and we see it we we understand what's going on you got all these weak ass men and you know we're nice people we're not going to hurt but you know we will run over some of these weak men I'll get the deal

00:41:40 before you will abely it's it's never been easier to be successful right I mean I've got 14 and 16 year old sons and I've told them I'm like if you just show up as half a beast oh a beast you will win it yes like you're going to kill it it's not that complicated because the bar has set so low now we had some work done on our house it is guy came in I mean and I'm not saying he did a bad job but there was some mess and stuff and I just told him I'm like look you know this is a reputable guy he did a decent job for for what we paid

00:42:06 him and what he promised to do sure but at the end of the day you can see where if you were a little bit more detail oriented if you were a little bit more customer Savvy how you could charge more money right and get a better you know what I mean and so yeah I think and and so when I look at the D disease of mediocrity what I'm most concerned about is how that's going to affect healthcare for you and I right like what's it going to mean if we do need to have access to that conventional Health Care system and

00:42:32 here's what I'm hearing from people that I know who are still training doctors in the hospitals I'm hearing that firste surgical residents are having trouble closing a wound I'm hearing that you don't have to have they only have pass fail tests now you don't actually have to you know when I was in training if I got in a certain score on my test my asbab test not asbab absite test um or if I did not do well on my us ml step one that I was telling about you weren't getting into a surgical residency wow

00:43:04 you know unless you were in the top 10% you weren't going to get a surgical residency well now and the reason and you know look I know what I'm going to say may kind of upset some people but in the hospital there's a hierarchy like there is everywhere else if you you know it's it's like going into an UFC Gym there are guys who are on the card ranked as top level fighters in the world and then there there's the amateur Fighters right well in a in a in a surgical world or in a surgical kind of atmosphere we are taking care of the

00:43:36 most complicated problems typically in the hospital yeah and and you become very good at that you're also expected to kind of start out at a higher level you're basically an internal medicine doctor who can cut and operate and sew right so at the end of the day we hold ourselves to a higher standard and in the hospital when you deal with the more complicated problems you get really good at dealing with them and and and you you get good at solving problems and I just think that now we're we're taking a

00:44:01 generation of people who are mediocre at best their expectation is mediocrity and now we're not giving them any benchmarks where they have to like you have to make in the top 10% or you're not getting a surgical residency period so so you're saying that uh currently you don't have to be in the top 10% to get surgical residencies in the United States well my understanding is is that many medical schools have abandoned grades they're just going to a p fail philosophy what yeah Medical schools have abandoned

00:44:28 grade so you could be a 70 and pass and you get a pass that's right and see back in the day that wasn't how it worked wow yeah I know a young lady who's 26 in medical school right now it's all pass fail here in Tennessee past fail what what can you say what medical schools um I'd rather not yeah but but yeah she's I'm like how do you how do you know who you're competing against you know what I mean like how do you know what you're setting yourself up for if all you're getting is a past fail I mean I mean

00:44:57 that's just to me it's just it's just asinine you know I'm shocked about it because you should know where you stand within a grading system not pass fell I mean you should know if you're a d student you know you're probably not that good of a student you're passing you You' got some work to do you got some work to do yeah but if it's pass fail like how do you you don't know and so so now let's put yourself in the in the position of the perspective lawyer here how do you how do you know who you want on your team yeah that's a good

00:45:32 point you know and I say that because I what I'm looking at is is that I mean listen I've sent interns home okay because I can do the job of the intern in a quarter of the time and do it better right by the time I'm a chief resident I can do everything that you can do and you know and a lot more and so I would send interns home I remember one time my program director showed up he's like where's the intern I'm like I sent them home you sent them home what do you mean you sent him home like well well I'm not going to babysit I'm not

00:45:59 here to freaking babysit people like if they're going to make my job more difficult I'm just going to send their ass out of here so um but yeah I mean they show up with this expectation um and and I'll give you an example this one surgeon was um he went into the operating room and normally in the years past when I trained if I were taking over let's say you had you're a vascular surgeon you have 15 patients on your service you've been caring for these patients some of them are near discharge some of them are

00:46:25 maybe going to get surgery tomorrow and over the weekend we were transitioning teams so the resident that you were working with is going to be replaced by a new Resident the way that process worked in the past was those two residents would get together and they would have a pretty lengthy uh process called sign out the really good ones would go bed to bed and work with the other doctor and be like okay this is Mrs Jones this is what we're doing here's where we are take notes and then they would go through all the list so

00:46:49 they knew so on Monday morning when they showed up to work with that doctor they knew everything about everybody and what was going on because it's their job to manage all of their care well on this particular day the service the residents on the service had changed and and the doctor shows up in the operating room okay so the first time this resident meets her attending physician is after she's already gowned and gloved in the operating room we would have been escorted they would have told us to leave don't even I don't know

00:47:15 who you are but the first time that I see you you show up in the operating room thinking you're going to scrub a case get the hell out of here like you didn't make rounds with me you didn't make rounds on the patients in the ICU or the floor you didn't show up and introduce yourself you have done nothing right and yet that's the standard that they and so when he calls this person out and calls the program director out guess who gets reprimanded he does he does what was the reason because he's he

00:47:40 is um overly critical of the residence overly critical it's not it's not um how do you say this we're Antiquated right yeah it's it's just uh producing weak people you have to think you know on a higher level that's that's what they want they they want weak people they're easy to follow and manipulate right especially if you're that's why I tell people I'm like there's a reason why they want more nurse practitioners in Pas nurse practitioners in Pas order order 30% more tests they order 30% more

00:48:10 medications and you can pay them less so if you're a hospital or an insurance company who would you rather have people who are going to order more tests than meds of course because that's how you get paid right right and by the way we can pay you whatever you know two-thirds or whatever half of what we can pay a physician right wow yeah I I didn't know they were they were on a PF system that's scary it's totally scary and I mean there are Seely I I want to say it's either UCLA Medical School or

00:48:35 Stanford I can't remember but one of those is considered to be the like the most woke medical school yeah and I mean it is absolutely terrible the quality of Physicians that are coming out of there I think it's UCLA yeah I think it's UCLA yeah they uh they are they are an extremely woke Medical School I've got to interact with some of the people out there on the west coast and uh yeah Stanford's actually really good um at least from the uh doctors and scientists I work with yeah but UCLA not not so not so much not so much

00:49:06 their philosophy too it's like they throw Common Sense out of the door with the you know with the wokeness I mean yeah we want the best when we're talking about doctors you know we want the best the best fighter pilots right the best best you don't go into surgery and say you know what I want a mediocre surgeon Whoever has gone into surgery ask asking for a mediocre surgeon you go to surgery you're like I hope you know oh this guy is good you're like gassing yourself up like oh he he did this here and he did

00:49:35 this here and so and so got a surgery from him that's that's what you want you don't want a mediocre surgeon anybody with common sense would not want a mediocre surgeon but they are training mediocre doctors mediocre everything in this world seems like that's right that's right and and and and it spills over into regular Society I mean I see people who can barely manage their own Affairs and yet you want to dictate terms to the rest of us oh you know I mean during Co I had a lady tell me that she was an expert on mask because her

00:50:00 husband had been traveling during the pandemic I'm like lady I'm a freaking surgeon I've wore a mask every day of my life since 2003 okay like I know all about do you think I wear that mask to protect me from you or you from me like you think about that for a second you know um you know you sitting at home behind your keyboard looking at articles on MSNBC or CNN doesn't preclude you to have a great experience that allows you to dictate to other people what to do yeah well you you think about with Co I

00:50:28 was one of the first people online to really speak out from uh breaking down the data uh level it was there right it was all clear as day clear as day the first thing that I found interesting I was following a group of epidemiologists from Oxford and they had a whole different model than the uh I forget the other guy that was in England um that was the Imperial model there's an imperial model uh and then there was the Oxford model Oxford model in March of of 2020 showed a 0.026 uh mortality rate which is about

00:51:04 what it is it was almost exactly correct yeah that's right that's right which is about half of what a bad flu season is right it it was like oh well here here's and and there was a there was a cruise ship that everybody on the cruise got Co and you could pretty much see and just do the math yourself how it was going to pan out this is back when they were saying 4% of the people were going to die 4.2% I think is what they started with or something like that then they were like 1% it's going to be 1% it's like oh my

00:51:33 God 1% and you know you're looking at these numbers from this Cruise sh you're like H you're looking at the Oxford and you realize that you know these models are only as good as their assumptions and they are just assumptions assumptions are not facts so either one of these models can be wrong that's right but they were preaching trust the science trust the science fine I I I do trust science actually I but I understand when when the Science is based on assumption it's not the science people are thinking

00:51:59 of yeah you know they're like well this is what this paper says yeah but this paper is based on assumptions and by the way I don't agree with the assumptions that's right that they're using and that's why I told this young lady I said you know what you are failing to recognize is that in order for you to properly interpret scientific data and to read a paper there's more than just the ability to read right you have to understand what they're trying to study did they study the proper metrics at the

00:52:24 same intervals that they should have right did they study it in the right way because they could have got some bogus test that doesn't actually pick up or has a high false negative or false positive rate did they study the right cohort I mean I've seen I've seen cancer studies on people who were over the age of 75 okay that's interesting but most people who get cancer aren't over the age of 75 so if we look at it as a demographic study it's not really applicable to most people right and so so no one who was out there the lay

00:52:51 people who are trying to spew these statistics and talk about trust to science and mainly what I'm talking about now is like these repor who just get some kind of headline you know from somebody right and turn it around when they really didn't go back and read the data look at the data look at the you know the information because it was all there it was all there well well okay so let's do a little exercise here because just of how well because I think we we probably think a lot of like let's say

00:53:15 you get numbers from New York City this is you know I think in late April early may we got the numbers from New York City of those who have died you know if you look at the age groups of the death so you get the numbers they say oh this is how many people died the first thing that you and I are going to want to see is break down age yep let's let's go by the decade probably yes so now you see a breakdown of age and if you notice that five only five people uh out of 25,000 under the age of 40 have died you know what does that

00:53:48 tell you yeah that most people who get the covid under that age group are not going to die yes and so what I did I was I was getting ready to interview the head of the coronavirus test for in Davidson County and this is early in the whole Co thing and I did not want because the city was shutting down event venues and I was just trying to be a little careful too because I mean I was in some trouble financially it was a really bad time for me but I'm interviewing this guy and first thing I thought was what are what are the odds

00:54:16 of me getting in a car accident this year and it was I had a higher chance of dying in a car accident this year uh than if I got Co yeah and I said that to him and he's like well I got to fact check you on that one he like fact check me but what does that tell you and he's like you know but they didn't want like so so you take those things and you ask those questions and you have these people in public health that completely disregard the common sense when you break it down like that and you think

00:54:48 about that if Society knew under the age of 40 hey I've got a better chance of dying if I get in a car accident uh than I do of getting Co this year like it's going to bring down a lot of anxiety across the board why wouldn't they want to do that yeah well I it because it you know fear is the way to get people to be manipulated and do what you want them to do coercion right one of the easiest ways to do that is to put instill fear in somebody especially the fear of death um and and then if that

00:55:14 doesn't work because that didn't work the first time so then they started to threaten you with your job you don't take this or you don't do this we're going to take away your livelihood so first it was if you don't do this you're going to die and then if that didn't get you to do it then we'll threaten your you know your financial sovereignty right um no I I look I agree with you 100% I mean I I I'm not aware of a single person that we treated with Ivermectin and Andor hydroxy corquin that actually ended up going to the

00:55:39 hospital let alone die um how many people do you think you treated 4,000 yeah something like that yeah you're beating the odds yeah it was pretty good yeah so um I had a couple people who started and when I say that what I mean is specifically like early treatment right like within the First Once in the hospital year yeah that's right not people who showed up 10 days later or whatever when they already kind of started to go down a slippery slope but um I I mean look I I 100% agree I think that this is that mediocrity thing again

00:56:06 it is the acceptance of less than excellent it is the you know and and I too believe this is kind of that you know weak men create Hard Times Hard Times create strong men kind of thing I think that what we have is a bunch of weak leaders and I mean that not necessarily in political office I mean we have weak leaders at state government body such as the Tennessee Department of Health right the lady who was running the Tennessee Department of Health uh shy fiscus uh back in covid vaccine lady yes yeah shelle fiscus Shel fisus but

00:56:37 there was another one what was her name she's the pediatrician yeah works for West Tennessee Health it doesn't matter anyway point is is that that that ineptitude and that sort of incompetence and uh lack of respect for the out you know for anything other than their opinion um I think that they hold themselves in such high esteem yeah um a lot of them need an ego check you know they really do it's it's it's sad because I so the reason I knew Shelley fiscus her husband was my wrestling coach in high school okay and I was I

00:57:10 had immediately and she's the one that um Lisa Pier is who I'm thinking of okay yeah and um she was Shelly though was the head of vaccines in Tennessee and we obviously did not agree on pretty much anything yeah and but I like Shelly as a human her husband great wrestling coach you know great great people but you know Shelly really believed what she was saying yeah and I couldn't believe and I watched a lot of interviews and and things like that I didn't want to debate with her personally but I really believe

00:57:46 that she believed it but I think she had her blind these blinders on where you know she's plugged into this system um she interprets data if you read these research papers I mean their methods on the vaccines are bad it's bad a bad meth you can see right through these methods that they're doing yeah it's like well there's never been and when when someone starts saying interviews that you know she's a pediatrician she had been a pediatrician for I don't know 20 30 years since I was in high school and she

00:58:18 had said she'd never seen a vaccine injury like I see that if you can say that though you automatically know that you have to be coming to the table with some sort of bias right like if you can't if you can't look out and say as because at the end of the day I'm a scientist right like every interaction that I have with somebody is about Gathering data formulating a hypothesis and then doing some kind of test right every every interaction is like that so I'm constantly thinking about what I'm trying to do and how I'm trying to

00:58:45 conduct this experiment and if and if you approach life from the standpoint as a doctor from the standpoint that I know all this and I got it figured out yeah well man I just I don't really know that I can trust your well the idea never see a vaccine injury it's like you know we we make autus vaccines in my lab so different types of autolus vaccines we were working with mRNA since 2017 and the whole covid thing kind of messed all that up because um uh well it it just did uh I don't think the MRNA was ready for prime time

00:59:20 as in it wasn't meant for five billion people you take somebody with stage four cancer uh you know they can take that risk you know and on that specific vaccine where we take a piece of their tumor we do H exom sequencing uh find specific antigens that we can attack yeah use Mr wrap Mr in a lip and Nano particle that that makes sense but five billion people you know everybody get this vaccine with this Spike protein we've never heard of but even I Know That vaccine I've always known vaccines def cause injury to some

00:59:58 group of people and when you hear people say well I've never seen it like maybe you're just not looking because called will for neglect yeah exactly they're not looking and I I I believe she's a good person I really do they are wonderful like humans like great people but completely blind to possibility outside of their their belief yeah and I I I look I I I I know people like that too I mean I have colleagues who I did residency with went to medical school with who have still to this day will even despite all the evidence now that's

01:00:35 out there they will still maintain that you should get a vaccine or you're a bad guy they will maintain that you know we should have lock down and all this kind of stuff and and I just I just don't I don't get it I yeah I mean I I do not see that I yeah just can't go that route well in the whole Mass thing I mean when if you remember I believe it was late February early March 2020 fouchy came out and said oh you don't need a mask like they don't work end of March she's like you got to wear a mask and then

01:01:05 think about the division that the masks caused we knew for 100% certainty that cloth masks didn't work and they probably actually cause more of a risk um but put your mask on put your mask on you know and then you know you go up to the surgical mask and then you go up to the uh n95 and and the n95 by the way people are using them you know for a month straight yeah and they're not they they're not fitted properly they don't even work they don't know what they're doing yeah and and it's like it's

01:01:33 Insanity to me yeah that so many people went along with this and Cochran who which is the top metaanalysis uh publication Cochran came out with a report just probably a year year year ago or so saying that masks don't work they don't work but we knew this the whole time yet we're being ostracized and attacked for speaking the truth was was that your experience oh absolutely was I mean we so I came out in probably maybe eight weeks or so after this so I'm guessing it was probably around the middle of May at

01:02:06 this all that I came out with this video um and I kind of outlined then what I thought were going to be the steps that this was going to take meaning that at that point what I knew was is that this was a Corona virus strain obviously I'd taken virology in medical school so I knew what the back bone of Corona virus was and sort of how it behaves and then um and and I came out with this video it's probably like 90 seconds long I said look here's what's going to happen there's going to be multiple mutations

01:02:34 of this virus right because this is what Corona viruses do they mutate probably on that course of every like 90 days or 120 days or something like that 150 days and so it's going to mutate so there's going to be multiple strains by the time they come out with a vaccine for one strain another stain strain will have evolved and then they're going to pioner a vaccine from that so I said it's going to be a rolling series of inoculations that they're going to try to get you to get mhm most respiratory viruses by the

01:02:58 way as they mutate become less virulent not more they burn out over time and so usually with subsequent variations of the of the virus it becomes less dangerous right and that's exactly what we've seen so um and then I told him I said the vaccine's not going to do anything for you right because because by the time you get it the one that it was geared for is already gone it's not going to be around anymore or it's going to be around in such low you know numbers it's not going to matter and instead I focused on what we were seeing

01:03:26 which were the high what predictors do you have of a high mortality and when should you be concerned so I was like if you're a male cuz it was worse than guys it was worse than guys who had a testosterone less than 450 who were overweight or type two diabetic who were deconditioned like meaning they didn't work out and their vitamin D was low I tell them I if you had those four factors as a guy your mortality was like 99% obese obese overweight diabetes yeah use all that I never went into a guy's

01:03:51 house that was really sick and saw them that looked like they worked out every one of them had simple little noodle arms I'm like when was the last time you did a freaking push-up dude like you're not doing you believe that the absence of you taking medicines and crap every day means you're healthy right and the reality is that you ain't healthy at all right you know and this virus just kicked the [ __ ] out of you because you haven't done anything else right you know yeah what do it what does it say to

01:04:15 you that you know what does it say to you as a doctor that the Health Care Community was telling people that natural immunity or having a previous infection natural immunity didn't matter didn't matter oh my gosh Ed this is so frustrating like we were vaccinating pregnant women you you know I've seen at least three pregnant women who have developed problems after the vaccine while they were pregnant and and one of them I asked her I said so did you so the basically what happened was I said how did they get you to get the

01:04:50 vaccine she said well the doctor came in and she apparently the doctor had been over at the hospital and the lady was in the office so the client is sitting in the doctor's office the doctor comes in after leaving the hospital and says you have to get this vaccine I just had a lady over at the hospital who now died because she got covid and so I don't want that to happen to you got to get the vaccine and so she goes so I took it and I said wait a minute did you bother to ask her like is this lady 32 5 fo8

01:05:18 125 lbs 18% body fat no medical issues works out exercises eats healthy is that cuz if that lady in the hospital was you then I could understand why maybe we could make a correlation but my suspicions are is that the lady who died probably wasn't like you right and so you can't make that comparison but yet that is exactly what happened it's is what you were using a while ago it's like we're talking about people who had really no experience no background in telling us what to do right because maybe and I know I don't mean to be rude

01:05:49 about this but I just think it's true you know and I like look Lisa piery worked as a Commissioner of Health here in Tennessee but she also was a big person over in the West Tennessee Health System I know when she was working at West Tennessee Health that she still did clinical duties but it was a smaller part of her time and so I think that when we allow people who don't practice clinically to make decisions and and this is where I was going back where it's not only the levels in the government like look the American Board

01:06:15 of surgery just allowed doctors in the US to perform gender altering surgeries on children with no data to back it up right if I went out there and started taking out aend with no data right no appendicies I just want to start taking out appendices to see if we can prevent a problem down the future well you you could call gender affirming surgery they'd be all for it you could take out an append call that I and i' probably get paid more money right than the $650 that I got paid from Blue Cross Blue though but yeah that

01:06:43 would be good but it's just the same group of crowd that seems like they're so locked in on ideology yeah rather than being able to modify your opinion based off of what comes down the path I like to think that I'm a contrarian meaning I'm always going to ask like what if what if what what's next what could be done differently here what am I missing how could I see this differently and I think that a lot of people don't ask that question and it keeps them in complacency and mediocrity well they

01:07:08 just believe whatever they they read they believe whatever headline they have and and there's no choice to go learn more right they cap it at that it's kind of like I tell people the story I said you know in medical school you dissect out the trachea and you think you learned something about the trachea and you do until you go work as a fourth year president with a thoracic surgeon who gives you a 450 page book on the trachea now the level of knowledge that you have about the tracha is far surpassed anything that you learned in

01:07:37 that first year of medical school through Anatomy right and but you thought that you knew something you thought that you had a good level of understanding until you got in the room with somebody who really understood actually understood understands yeah you know what's interesting um there was just an article I believe it was the New York Times that was talking about a government funding uh a government funded surgery uh for uh transitioning and it showed that well they didn't actually publish the study

01:08:06 because the head doctor of the study was afraid that it would uh dissuade people from getting gender affirming care because it didn't show any uh difference in suicide it didn't help and so the doctor was actually saying and like the quotes I mean this is how these people think at this point right well I don't want it to have a bad effect on gender affirming care like well what is science I mean obviously you're getting ready to publish that study bias as hell Y and when it doesn't end up how you want it

01:08:38 you don't publish it yep I mean what is going on are we just uh you know I feel like we're living in the Twilight Zone right now and these are the type of people that are running our country these are the type of people that are telling us to get the vaccine or telling us to trust science or telling us to you know get in line do what we say when the the science that they're talking about doesn't even back them up most of the time that's right or they cherry-pick certain little dils or certain little

01:09:07 things in there that kind of make it look like yeah maybe there's some shred of evidence for support for their position you know what I mean there could be a shred of evidence that's fine there's also there's also a mountain contradicting I agree there's evidence across the board but we should be able to actually look at the data teach people to think critically because I don't buy this idea they were saying you know before covid the suggestion was you should do your research do your research and everything you know make make an

01:09:34 informed decision for yourself educate yourself then it's like the words were oh don't do your own research that's stupid why would you do research when the doctors are telling you what to do when the government is telling you what to do and I'm like look at the government's track record yeah look at their track record they theyve lied to us about nearly everything thing that's important they lied us into Vietnam they lied us into Iraq they lied saying that the government wasn't reading our text

01:10:04 message and and storing our emails they've lied they've lied they've lied all they've done is Li all the research that was going on over in Wuhan that we were told going to happen on Co alone they lied about Mass they said that if you get the vaccine uh you won't get Co then they said if you get the vaccine you won't spread Co then they said if you get the vaccine you won't die from covid then they said that natural immunity didn't work at all when there was an Israeli study that showed it was 27 times more effective than the vaccine

01:10:36 and they're telling us that we're just supposed to believe them you know and Ed you brought this up before you were talking about the immunity and I kind of skipped over it but it it's interesting that you said that and I was thinking the same thing I'm like so wait a minute if you were going to see if I needed a booster for say like my polio vaccine you're going to bring me in and you're or my MMR or whatever right my rubella titers or something you're going to bring me in and check TI because I had

01:11:00 to do this before I went into the hospital as a medical student right between second and third year they bring me in they check all my titers and I think I had to get like a verella booster or something right so I had to go and I'm not an antivaxx guy I'm like you I'm like I believe that every medical therapy has a specific crowd or use and we need to figure that out right um and as you said in someone who's a 70 year old or whatever maybe it's maybe it's a younger person but they have an inst stage disease well let's let them

01:11:26 make whatever choice they want absolutely because at their stage we should allow them to try anything that could potentially help them absolutely um but I agree with you the natural immunity thing went out and if you were looking at that from the standpoint of every other disease process not covid but something like like MMR you know or tetanus tighter or something like that we would consider those results to be valid and scientifically true to determine whether or not we need a therapy and in this case if you had a

01:11:53 tighter that was high because you got natural Community well that wasn't good enough even though it was good enough in every other sector and it just it's mindblowing well and and the medical doctors that supported this were ridiculing people while committing malpractice absolutely that's exactly what they were doing it's malpractice to say oh what you know what you still need to get the vaccine even if you just had covid that they were still getting people Rimes of even though they knew it was killing people you know oh man

01:12:19 that's one and I I think about I I I said this several times to clients as this was kind of unfolding I said across the Street you know my office is kind of close to St Thomas west and I said across the street over there is anchored the largest not for-profit healthc care center in the world Ascension St Thomas is the biggest as far as I know the largest not for-profit Health Care Center I said so imagine if the medical staff of that place on day one of this if the if the true medical staff director had the balls to say you know

01:12:48 what this smells bad I don't really believe we should do this like I'm not keeping people out of the ICU I'm not giving severe I'm not going to vaccinate these nurses we are not as a medical staff we are not going to do this and if you force us to we're going to walk right and if if one doctor had the coonies to stand up and say that at the largest hospital I truly believe that there would have been a a pause on behalf of other systems and mainly because the doctors would have seen a group of doctors

01:13:20 standing with unity and and by the way if you hav figured it out doctors are probably like the most disorganized group of dysfunctional individuals like in the world there's not a lot of cohesiveness doctors don't typically stick together very well but man if you could have got that done if there was one uniting physician who said this does not need to happen yeah especially at that institution I believe we could have altered the course well there were though a lot of positions that said this is [ __ ] they just weren't in

01:13:45 positions to hold that power they weren't in power but the ones that did they were yeah I mean well and I got censored right like I we were saying that before I mean when it came out in May they threaten you as well oh yeah they so so I know I released this video right and then it's like two months later um we noticed that we were running some Google ads we know we're spending like let's say $4,000 a month on Google ads because we kind of keep this thing running then all of a sudden our ad spin

01:14:10 goes to like 25 bucks we said wait a minute what happened here so we start looking in and you're like okay well your click-throughs your impressions have all just kind of plummeted so we call we get on the phone with Google and we're like so can you explain to us like what's happened and essentially they just said look you're Shadow band we don't agree with the content that you put out um I had some stuff on stem sales regenerative Orthopedics ozone blah blah blah on my website right so as soon as they saw like my YouTube video

01:14:35 or my Facebook video that went out they then searched everything else and they shadowbanned us yeah and they said we're not going to tell you you can't run ads we're just going to put you on page 600 and something so that nobody ever sees you um so we got we got of got shadowband then that was really more about our website and some of those back door things um we survived all that and and then fast forward to last year 223 so we kind of stayed under the radar for a couple years after all that happened and then we had a group redo

01:15:06 our website and then in July of 23 we ported that website over to a new hosting service within six weeks of that uh new website being uploaded and made active Google contacts us and makes us take down our weight loss pages and our I think it was our stem cell Pages wow so and then 6 weeks after that four8 weeks somewhere in there Square contacts us made me take down my lme and autoimmune disease and weight loss Pages wow so now I've got two big tech companies quote unquote telling me what I can put on the

01:15:39 internet right right and then two weeks or four weeks after that square de Banks us they call us and they say you are no longer we're deplatforming you you've got 30 days to get out of our system and then whatever money's in there when we're done we're keeping it like you're done so that was we're keeping your money they told us that they had the right to Garner our accounts oh wow and I knew I had a friend who um unfortunately went through a similar thing he had um it wasn't him it was a contact of his and

01:16:10 this contact owned a gun manufacturing company and I think they' kept something like1 and a half million dollars from them at some point that they had garnered um anyway we we were able to get our money but the point was is that I had to put together a scab Point of Sales system and then you you know the the level of scrutiny that we get is really I mean it's it's tough to say because so much of it is in the background that I can't really like pinpoint or quantify well it's a tech it's a tech world I mean even I got my

01:16:36 Tesla cybertruck and I love Elon but I'll be damned if their customer service it's like a tech it's like contacting Facebook I'm like hey I got to fix this they're like you don't you can't get somebody on the phone and some AI little piece I mean that's how a lot of these companies work these tech companies they don't have customer service they don't have someone that you can explain yourself to you you're basically a number in a system in a chat bot kind of and um you know but they have the ability to ruin your life with those

01:17:04 type of things shut down your business say you know you're not allowed to do business because you don't conform to what the status quo says you're supposed to and and that was what their explanation was by the way they said you know why are we being subject to this and they said well the Google rep told us they said we as a Company Feel Like Our obligation is to provide the most scientifically correct and up-to-date search results for our clients and your things like stem cells hormone replacement you know weight loss umary

01:17:30 autoimmune Lyme disease it doesn't fit that narrative for us so you're you're not you're not scientifically proven basically I mean who who gets to say what's scientifically proven or not I mean like you know it's it's like the thought police you have to think this way or you don't get to participate in society that's right you know and that's what RFK Jr was saying last week is like you know the left wants censorship the left the Democratic party wants censorship because they want to be able to control the narrative and we've

01:17:56 already seen what that does through Co we saw how that probably ended up killing a lot of people unnecessarily and disrupting a lot of lives Jobs and Family disruption you have no many idea how many people have come in my office and said that their family has been through tremendous heartbreak because somebody won't let them come to a wedding because they don't want to get a covid vaccine oh yeah I had uh my business partner Scotty his dad said he couldn't go to his mom's funeral because he didn't get the vaccine it's hard on

01:18:22 people man Scotty win anyway he's like you know beat me up Dad we going to fight yeah cuz that's you know I would fight over that one my dad would never say that but uh you know yeah it's like the the idea that it pitted family against family and um especially you know you think about guys like us we're we're not stupid we've done our research we're logical we can see both sides we understand why people feel the way they feel and and we can hear opposing arguments and entertain them exactly that's a critical part yeah

01:18:53 I mean I get the argument I can argue their side you know that's that's fine I could I could go there but you know to to have guys like us shut out and to to be called you know wacky yeah um you know it's like really well we're the wacky ones like we're the ones that are really healing people yeah I we're actually healing people with things that uh science mainstream science says aren't real I mean I'll never forget the first time I saw a giant tumor in somebody's neck go away way we were injecting K's toxins in it I don't know

01:19:28 if I've ever talked to you about K's toxins no I haven't heard this okay so I did a documentary on this a few years ago so William Coley um is considered the father of immunotherapy okay so um in 1891 he was at Memorial Hospital which is now slone Kettering and he had a saroma patient okay and he amputated her arm thinking that was going to stop the spread of the the cancer and uh it didn't she died about 6 weeks later saroma spread and it really upset so he went through the files of memorial hospital to see if anyone had ever

01:19:59 survived a saroma and there was nobody except one patient and he went and found this patient it was like seven years later in New York City Manhattan brought him back still cancer-free and it turned out that when the patient got um had the sarcoma he got an aerosis infection and almost died of the infection but when he survived the infection the cancer was gone so Dr th Dr Coley thought well if an accidental infection can cause spontaneous remission of a cancer then so should an intentional infection so

01:20:28 his next patient he injected with a yes and guess what happened right away and so there's got to be some molecular mimicry or something there that's doing that oh yeah we know we know now what it is but so it happened to a number of patients and he almost killed a few of them because it's was a live bacteria yeah sure so he changed it to a dead bacteria and from 1891 to 1936 Dr Coley had a higher success rate treating many cancers than we do today and so um he was ostracized in many many ways fought

01:20:56 for years um he died in 1936 his daughter in 1952 founded the Cancer Research Institute which is now one of the largest immunological research institutes in the world and them along with the Society of immunotherapy for cancer and Steve Rosenberg at at NCI are the reason we now have immunotherapy for cancer but it's even in their textbook FR yeah this this one right here cancer immunotherapy principles and practice uh one of my scientific Advisory board members Franco Marin cola's uh one of the three authors on that one of their

01:21:27 first chapters it talks about William Coley and the history of what he did it's not even questionable so in Mexico at my my hospital we uh did kis toxins in-house and so the first patient I saw injecting kis toxins with a a tumor coming out of his neck it was a I believe it was a Squam cell it went away and I'm like oh wow this isn't supposed to this isn't supposed to work and we saw it a lot over the years and so you know I don't believe any of the stuff I just read and I'm told to believe anymore that to me is Mis like that's

01:22:07 true disinformation at this point some people might say it wrongly so it's misinformation but I think at the higher levels when they're really suggesting these things don't work you can't patent Co Sox I wish I could patent Co it works but you know you can't patent it and there's a lot of things like that that actually work that they try to ostracize guys like us on when we just want to have a an honest conversation with other logical people that actually want to help Society help move things forward that's right and I

01:22:41 yeah I I look I'm I I'm glad you were able to move past some of that by by getting you know Geographic things that allow you to do certain types of therapies right and and and open up those avenues for people I what really makes me angry is that I I know there's some big guys that got kind of censored and taken down marola and some other people uh mcoa and all those guys that got really hurt by the pandemic and um but there's a lot of other young you know smaller named guys like myself and other doctors that I know that got kind

01:23:12 of you know sidelined Shadow banned or whatever during all this and um and it it over time it it has a negative impact for society because we get kind of scared and skitted and it's hard to do things you know and you just don't want to you just can't I mean I can't sacrifice my whole livelihood just to prove that I'm right you know what I mean I'm I'm not in that position in life to do that was like me interviewing the head of the coron virus task force I look back now and think man I wish I would have just gone for the G though

01:23:43 right I knew more like I knew more than he did about it I know I knew more than him I wanted to like I knew the data like the back of my hand that was all I was doing at the time because everything is that scary that this guy is like supposed to be the head he's a head surgeon at uh one of the head surgeons at Vanderbilt head of the coron virus task for uh Force janger Dr janger nice guy I'm not knocking him as a person but he didn't know [ __ ] he didn't know [ __ ] about vaccines he didn't know [ __ ] about

01:24:10 Mass he didn't know [ __ ] about overall health didn't know [ __ ] about epidemiology and I'm supposed to listen to this guy put us out of business yeah ah it's unbelievable and we're the we're the idiots we're the idiots because you know we don't have the power to to to to stop them so they look at us as as the idiots yeah yeah we're the simpletons I get it yeah you know it is how it is sorry I'm just going off a little tangent I'm just I'm having a little PTSD from those times wanting to jump through the damn when it was a zoom

01:24:42 interview wanted to jump through and I'm keeping my calm I'm keeping my calm and oh I get it I get it and I can only imagine yeah having be in that conversation and feel feeling like you're talking to a wall you know or or a brick brick wall right I meet with John Cooper there's like four Event Center uh owners meeting and they have us at this hotel and like different Business Leaders in different sectors in Nashville and so we're sitting at the table and the idea that this guy John Cooper is running our city when I mean he had

01:25:19 he shouldn't be running anything listen I run a pretty big company you know lots of employees deal with a lot of stuff I'm a boss regulation moving pieces a lot this guy should not be running the the bus station down here that's the we're talking about right yeah it was bad and we're talking and he kind of rolls his eyes at me for a second he's like well this is his concern with events this is what he said after he shuts us down this is what he said well I'm concerned that if they have champagne glasses carried

01:25:53 on a tray that the particles could land on them and the guests can drink it with the contaminated particles uh from the party and he's serious a Harvard train like har or Harvard educated [ __ ] that's shutting us down because he's worried about particles floating in the air and landing on glasses but you know at the city level these look I mean yeah there's a picture of them there with the mask on and a bullhorn standing outside a guy behind him has his has goggles and everything and they're they're Marching

01:26:23 for black lives matters it's like we are living in the Twilight Zone that's right it is a Twilight Zone it's the Twilight Zone um anyways uh let's talk about sheds what is your sheds health model so it's it's an interesting thing I actually just was sitting in my office probably about four years ago maybe five years ago now and I started to think about what are the what are the key areas that if I wanted to influence a client's life in these you know whatever three four five six areas what would those areas be and then how

01:26:57 would I start to strategize out so what I came up with after couple of variations was sheds um and I kind of make the joke as a kid that grew up in the country here in Tennessee I like you know every redneck or hillbilly has a has sheds on their property right they got a wood shed an equipment shed a tool shed a she shed maybe but and and then those sheds they're going to put a lock on it and they're going to make sure that the roof is tight because whatever is in that shed is important and so I

01:27:21 typically draw this little house on a paper and I present it to the client and I write sheds in there and on the side going down and I say this is stress hormones exercise diet and sleep that if you will focus your efforts right and kind of look at it and say am I eating this if if me eating this is it improving my life in any of these areas is it improving my body in any of these areas so I I I help my clients calibrate their behaviors and their interventions based off of how it's moving the needle

01:27:49 in those areas and if it's not helping one of those areas then we probably need to maybe put it off the to the side for a minute and consider it one a therapy or an option or strategy that will help us improve not just in one but maybe more of those categories and I believe that if you really kind of address or follow that Mantra so much of what you don't want to happen to you like hypertension stroke diabet is going to be gone right just by being intentional it's like 95% if they hit those things

01:28:18 they're be good you have some genetic component but it's yeah not as much as people would like to think that's right and you know and I I tell people that in the office I say look you know they they they really tie their self to what happened to Mom Dad and I and I know there are certain things like I yes prostate problems I know I can see the family lineage breast problems I see the family lineage um obesity you see the family lineage it's not genetic it's nurture right so I start to get over discuss with these clients I'm like so

01:28:46 what do you think is more important nature or nurture nature being your genetics nurture being the environment you grow up in yeah and and I'm like so it's actually nurture like the reason why you got gall stones at the age of 25 is the same reason why your mama got gall stones at the age of 25 well and you know what it could be both too because you know you can have you can be genetically predisposed to have X Y or Z but if you nurture uh you know you can move away from or you can move closer to

01:29:13 it exactly so I mean yeah it is I agree with agree with what you're saying but a lot of times people just say oh well it's just my genetics but there's an epigenetic factor that has a lot more to do with things which is the nurture you're talking about than the the genetics that's right the I tell them that the the the genetics is kind of the loaded gun yeah the nurture is what pulls the trigger right you know U there has to be another action there that kind of supports that um yeah I I agree with

01:29:39 you those those that nurture can move you away from disease processes if you have some genetic predisposition or it could accelerate that uh and the epigenetic factors which I see a lot of because there are so many people that go through life-changing experiences that change their body so in other words let's take let's take child birth at a late age for example in females most women are going to transition into Perry menopause somewhere between the ages of like 35 to 40 the earlier that the female has her

01:30:08 and this is strictly anecdotal I don't know that there's a single paper or anything out there that said supports what I'm about to say my experience has been is that if a female has her children say before the age of like 32 33 MH then they are likely to wait another 5 six seven years before they go into per menopause but if you have that child your last child or your you know your the last pregnancy that you had at like 36 or 37 or 34 or 35 you're probably going to have a very quick clipse into Perry menopause right

01:30:38 after that really that pregnancy seems to accelerate that imbalance a little bit when that pregnancy is later if I have a woman who at 28 had her last child now she's 37 she's going through it at the right time but it it it changes when women have their babies a little later interesting I think it accelerates that Perry menopause change quite a bit well yeah I didn't realize that I mean that's um you know the the hormones in women are something that we've experienced absolutely yeah everybody every man knows about the hormones in

01:31:09 women no I mean that but I I say that in all seriousness you know I've seen my mom and you know a lot of you know women in my life go through those things and balancing them and having a doctor that actually understands how to do that is very underrated the general pract practitioner really isn't doingi yeah it's it's sad I mean I didn't you know I didn't get any training in medical school on this I mean I did in a way because we would do hysterectomies and we did a lot of thyroidectomies and stuff so I kind of knew on the thyroid

01:31:42 side what to do you know and I knew all the general sort of principles about hormone replacement and what the natural you know flow of a female hormone cycle look like and then it became more about how do I use certain therapies to mimic that pattern right and kind of keep that there and then yeah I mean it the the the hormones for females specifically there was a study that came out May 1st 2024 it was published in the Journal of menopause it was on 10 million senior age Medicare women so all women over the

01:32:10 age of 65 10 million women they studied them on I believe it was estrogen plus progestin and then estrogen alone and then estrogen plus progest anyway great article great study and and what I would say is that for any women who are considering menopause therapy per menopause therapy go and look at that article um the the bad name of hormone therapy for women came out of the Women's Health Initiative which was a study that was done in like the mid 90s and early 2000s basically using conjugated equin

01:32:40 estrogen so giving women horse hormones and then when women got bad effects from taking those horse hormones the Geniuses in the room said oh hormone replacement therapy must be bad well no numbnuts it's that you're giving a a female horse hormones which her body doesn't recognize and are going to cause some UNT consequence right and that was the problem and that's where the sort of negative connotation around per menopausal and postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy came in but once you remove the conjugated equin estrogens

01:33:08 and you go back to bioidentical estrogen and progesterone the data is overwhelmingly supportive that we improve outcomes right reducing cancer reducing heart issues dementia osteoporosis all of those things go down when we use bioidentical hormone so when are you suggesting women go and see someone like you this is this is a great question and I I want to say that this is kind of a long answer in a way the first thing I would say is that somewhere around mid-30s you're going to experience a shift as a

01:33:40 female where you will likely have an imbalance of estrogen to Progesterone if you go into your regular doctor your numbers on the test will likely be normal like in fact maybe one out of a hundred will look abnormal but most of them will be look Stone Cold normal but what you're really dealing with when you dig into it from the patient's perspective is typically in the second half of their menstrual cycle like the week or two leading up to their cycle they learn they feel emotionally off they feel angry they

01:34:14 feel despondent they have heavier bleeding they have their timing of their cycle starts to get off and that and their and their liido starts to get low so now we're dealing with some like emotional and mental kind of like effects and then we're dealing with libido and and and then weight gain so that is a classic per menopause sort of thing then around 48 to 50 or so something like that we start to see the true uh estrogen leaving the body right we get an estrogen deficiency that's when hot flashes vaginal dronis come in

01:34:48 and so ideally a woman would come in before we got to the estrogen component right we would start to replace them in say like mid3 mid-30s early 40s with testosterone and progesterone which will typically because so many women go and get what will happen is is that this is a classic thing in my office a guy will come in and he will look at me and he'll be like you know and she's like I'm sorry I don't know why I'm yelling at everybody I'm just so mad I don't know what's wrong with me and I'm like

01:35:16 sweetie don't feel upset like we know what's going on it's okay the fact is is I'm glad you're here because if you'd gone to your regular doctor they would have said oh you're just depressed you got anxiety here take this Lexapro oh gosh so many women at this age group I want any woman listen to this if you think about it ask your female friends if they're on an anti-depressant I can almost guarantee you that between the ages of 35 to 45 80 plus perc of them got on it during that time and the reason they got on it was because the

01:35:41 primary care doctor or whoever saw them was not understanding that the underlying mechanism here was a true imbalance of hormones because if you look at the panel it's normal it's going to look normal and I tell women like progesterone is your happy healthy hormone it's typically what improves your mood makes you feel good hair skin and nails look better with progesterone all you know sleep is better so progesterone's a happy healthy hormone and and when you start to lose that you've got this bloated [ __ ] hormone

01:36:07 called estrogen which kind of keeps you on edge and then you don't have anything to temper that right it's kind of like a yin and yang and so what we want to do is restore that balance you know and I talked to a lady the other day she's like my world has changed drastically in the last six months like I'm not arguing with my family I feel better my sex drive is I'm losing weight I'm sleeping through the night like my life is better than it's ever been in the last three years and and so then that's one thing

01:36:32 now that right there approaching the problem there to me does not necessarily help that woman with all those osteoporosis and cancer and all that stuff going down the road I think it probably would but my but what I believe happens right there is that we're saving relationships we're saving marriages we're saving structure of a family then as a female gets closer to that menopause where estrogen starts to go what I know now is that that first shift of per menopause was a pretty small bump in the road but now that we get to

01:37:00 menopause it's a bigger bump in the road and the Fallout from that the ripples in the pond are much bigger right and so we I I can definitely tell you that there's a period of around that menopause where you've got about maybe four to five years that if we really start replacing your hormones we can get ahead of all of the disease that could happen because you don't have those hormones and significantly decrease the risk that you're going to have that down the road um so and I think the data supports that

01:37:30 about 5 years is kind of the the best time to strike with that and so ideally we would see them kind of like late 30s early 40s when they start per menopause but if not then let's definitely consider when estrogen starts to go and the hot flashes and the vaginal dryness and that type stuff sits in definitely go see a physician at that point then because or see a qualified hormone replacement therapist at that point because and and I know we have to use sort of less metrics it's not like I could go to a woman and say okay I'm

01:38:01 going to give you estrogen I want to see your estrogen level between 40 to 60 and by doing so I'm going to reduce your risk of Dementia by say 15% we don't have the quantifiable numbers of that yet so so what I know is is that I don't have a level that says that I have if I achieve a certain level that our risk of dementia goes down and so instead what I have to do is I have to balance hormones based off of the symptoms that the woman is presenting with so when a woman comes back in and says yes I'm no longer

01:38:30 having hot flashes I'm no longer having dryness I feel more balanced my skin is good I don't have a number to say that that actually equates to the longevity that I'm looking for but it's the best that I can do given the sit situation that I'm in right I don't have another number that I can equate that success to you know something that you do for men is testosterone replacement therapy and I started doing testosterone replacement therapy when I was about 30 I went to the doctor it was my general

01:38:57 practitioner maybe it was maybe even younger maybe 28 I think and I had a lot of injuries from fighting and um general practitioner I says you know I'm a lethargic I don't feel good a little depressed and the first thing that I would tell my Fighters would be get your testosterone checked and so I told him that he's like test okay I'll test your testosterone he actually called me he's like how did you know that I'm like well because it's you know it's it's common in that group it's common yeah and um

01:39:27 he's like you have the testosterone right now of like a 85y old man I'm like well then can I have some testosterone please yeah because I'd like to have the testosterone of a 28y old man exactly and so um but it it makes a huge huge difference and what's been your experience uh when you prescribe testosterone replacement therapy uh to to men I mean I think it's interesting that we as a en rule always think of testosterone in men and we don't like while it's important to us the same things that we rely on

01:40:04 testosterone for is the same thing that women rely on testosterone for so so I want us to I I I break this down for the female clients in the office I'm like I want you to think about this as as a female and we have the same thing we have estrogen progesterone testosterone in our bodies it's just and as males it's just that we have a huge amount of testosterone and really tiny amounts of estrogen progesterone and and females is the opposite they have huge amounts of estrogen progesterone small amounts of

01:40:27 testosterone but the biological actions of testosterone as it comes to helping you you know overcome stress heal your body deal with injuries uh o overcome sort of the stress of the day and just deal with the you know the regular BS of Life basically that's what testosterone does and it does that in men and women and because estrogen and progesterone don't really do any of that right estrogen and progesterone allow a woman to have breast and to conceive a child and to birth that child and then breastfeed that child that's the and

01:40:56 menstrual cycles and so forth so I separate estrogen and progesterone and testosterone out the reason why that becomes important is because if I've got a female who had a breast cancer who it was an erpr positive breast cancer and they don't want to take estrogen and progesterone but I can still offer them some of the benefits of HRT through testosterone so I don't so I try to separate those out in females but because I truly believe that the same benefits that we derive they will also feel increase libido you know ability to

01:41:24 deal with the day kind of thing right and heal quicker what I see in men is exactly how you let off right so if you bring me a young guy or any man for that matter but specifically a younger dude um like his let's say he's in his early 20s or so and you know he's got this sort of like depressed um apathetic type attitude really sort of not really feeling energetic um not really an outgoing type young man then you know let's do four things we're going to get his Vitamin D up we're going to take away video games and

01:41:59 computers we're going to balance testosterone and that doesn't mean that he has to be on testosterone replacement therapy because we got other strategies and we are going to get his ass in the gy if we do those four things life will change drastically for this young man like and it's huge it's lifechanging and I just want to say this because what you're saying if he were to go to a regular general practitioner they would probably put him on a SSRI I would agree with that statement yes 100% And I say

01:42:25 that because you know at 20 years old I went through a breakup with a girl and guess what they did to me SSR like same thing yeah um I took it for two weeks and I was getting like clamp jaw and I was like okay nope this ain't for me number one and number two this ain't going to solve my problem right so I was like yeah this is not going to work but yeah so I think that there's a couple things that happen with guys in testosterone um short-term results are increased libido better body composition

01:42:52 um better f Focus less naps more energy more presence you are present for the day you're not distracted like you know off in left field somewhere you're actually able to be focused and attentive to what's going on in front of you and then if you take those things andless follow the trajectory of that client for say the next 18 to 24 months all of those things then turn into that client typically doubling their income 18 to 24 months after starting uh testosterone therapy um I have that conversation

01:43:24 whatever once a month probably or something like that where guys will come in and be like dude this has changed my life yeah like my my relationships have changed my uh routinely I'll hear after a period of time they're like I got a promotion at work I double my income like one promotion double my income and I asked the questions like do you believe that you feeling better and being able to do more at work has allowed you to get this promotion I don't say was it because of testosterone they're like yeah absolutely like I feel

01:43:54 better at work I show up I do more you know and and I tell them I'm like testosterone is not like this magic bullet it doesn't it doesn't make you go make more money but what it does do is it makes you a better version of yourself and so now instead of like feeling apathetic and crappy and not wanting to make another sales call or being too tired to kind of like go to the gym you're like no man I'm not going to go belly up to the bar I'm tired yes but I feel good I want to achieve this testosterone makes you conquer that

01:44:24 problem makes you conquer that issue and so you go to the gym you start to show up you make more sales calls you do the thing for your wife that maybe you didn't feel like doing before and now all of a sudden starts to get things start to get better and line up right and so now you capitalize on over 24 months and all those behaviors led to more sales calls more deals more money more fun more sex more life more happiness more events with their family everything seems to get better um I mean I think testosterone is probably the

01:44:49 most underrated drug in the world I really do believe that for men and women yeah know absolutely I I agree um why do you think testosterone rates are dropping currently in the United States lot of things man I think you know so for guys like in our age group I think it's actually the fact that we probably for the last 20 years or whatever we're drinking out of plastic bottles and you know I mean I we got glass here now today they take care of you here at the Ed clay show they give you some good

01:45:17 glass Botts but but yeah general rule we're eating Plastics right or plastic for Spoons you know whatever uh Plastics are permanent endocrine disruptors right so once a once a polystyrene plastic molecule has bound to a testosterone receptor it is permanently bound and it will not undo that binding until that cell has died and been replaced by a a cell with a healthy testosterone receptor on it interesting never never knew that yeah polystyrene Plastics can irreversibly block your endocrine receptors fragrances you know I I went

01:45:46 into a dentist office recently I'm like oh my God I can't even stand to be in here it's just so much popery and colone and just what I'm like this smells so bad um and young kids late nights in video games right that dopamine surge all of that late night staying up I did a video one time where I said the one thing that'll disrupt the man's testosterone the most is lack of sleep it's not able to recover if you start not sleeping when you're in your 20s like I did in medical school yeah no kiding you're going to get lowkey no

01:46:19 kiding if you stay up and push your body to fight and train and hard and cortisol cortisol cortisol you're going to burn out man yeah and and I think you would testify oh yeah no absolutely I mean it's it's um it's kind of across the board right now the Plastics is pretty interesting because soap shampoos deodorants same thing right all those environmental kind of toxins yeah um do you have your clients do any detox at all I do yeah so in young guys I kind of get away I tell them like okay no soap

01:46:46 shampoos with parabens or thades right avoid Plastics uh deodorants with aluminum and that kind of stuff so I make some recommendations around those things for the young guys um I'm sorry what was your question again uh do all for detox yeah so I um when it comes to detox I I want to as a general rule for the non sick people what I mean by non- sick is they're not dealing with like lime or mold or something like that and we're just trying to do like a healthy detox I'm really big on sauna like I think that saa's probably just

01:47:17 for the money and for the time you're getting a great detox but you're also getting a so many others right you know the hormetic stressors proteins yeah bdnf and you know we could go through the whole list but but at the end of the day I think that sauna is a great thing to do um and then the the main thing is to just stop polluting your body right just to stop taking in the poison you know have you ever done a coffee enemma I have I personally have not but I have a lot of clients who do Man coffee enas are uh uh one of my

01:47:47 favorite things for for detox cuz you know your blood pumps to your liver what about once every 3 minutes yeah so I mean the blood flow well you may know there's enough evidence to show that even a a dose of rectal ozone is almost the same as giving it intravenously comes to reaching the gas yeah well I I've got an ozone generator in my bedroom next to my bed and I've got in Mexico as well and I do it probably three days a week when I don't I get a little sick yeah so like we were just at a wedding last week and we're actually

01:48:14 at two weddings in four days one in Florida one in Wyoming and the one in Wyoming it was a beautiful wedding but they had a wine seller that was like 100 yards long and straight line of tables in that wine Celler with very little circulation and I'm like there is no way that we're not going to get sick here if if somebody's got something all get it we're all getting it so I got back and I started loading up I knew I kind of feel it the next day even I'm like oh yeah and so ozone will save you yeah um but I

01:48:45 mean what are your views because you do ozone uh you're one of the only doctors in Nashville that I know of that does it and you're all in on it you have the tin pass machine you have the ozone apheresis you have the direct IV uh you have major autohemotherapy am I missing any of the ozon the oone dialysis is the only one which I guess the apheresis yeah yeah yeah yeah so you do all of those ozon right what what is ozone and why do you use it in your practice ozone as I would describe it as a kind of a more potent

01:49:19 form of oxygen uh it's has three molecules of oxygen bound together whether instead of the dimeric form which is the O2 that we typically breathe in most ozone that we use exists as a mixture of ozone and pure oxygen so we're basically getting like 99.9% pure oxygen usually that oxygen is passed through a glass cylinder or some type of catalytic device which will then sort of split those oxygen atoms allow them to reform and out the other end of this generator comes a a mixture of gas which is Ozone and oxygen and my um so of

01:49:55 those of those techniques that we use what we try to do is we if we're going to use we try to get people to use ozone at home when we can so um we have a generator that's made here in Nashville that we sell to people that I bought one from my mom great great little device right it works good it's pretty portable it's pretty safe it's in a plastic case you can drop it it's not going to break it um and then we can get you catheters and kind of train people on how to you know how to use that device at home so

01:50:20 we provide a home training program for them and and for a lot of things that can be really really beneficial like you were saying for immune boosting um I mean I saw I treated a young girl one time a young lady who was 34 years old she had grade four out of five cervical uh dysplasia they were looking at doing a leap on her and kind of removing part of her cervix she came to me and said Lee look I really don't want to do that I said I get it let's try this first I had her do twice a day vaginal ozone

01:50:45 insufflations what gamma uh 23 okay I typically use 23 around that when I'm doing like rectal or vaginal just because it won't dry out too much um and so I had her do that twice a day I put her on some herbal supplements which are more for like viral load and a uh one for bofilm breakdown like I use an oral Eda to help bofilm breakdown kind of thing so she did this for three months she goes back to her OBGYN and when they cultured it what do you think they found it was gone it was gone yeah Not only

01:51:14 was the cancer gone but she was back to grade zero or you know whatever but there was no HPV to be found wow do you think I got a phone call from the doctor asking like what the heck happened you do you just solved a very complex problem I just get a I get a text from the client going here's my pathology report thank you so much I'm so happy to be here well I mean my thing with ozone and look I mean we have the biggest stem cell company in the world so uh you know that's where I make that's my if you if

01:51:43 I had to pick one thing stem cells or ozone I would pick ozone yeah because it's an everyday user man you can do everying stim cells are great for what they're great for don't get me wrong I mean like it's it's great what it does but an every day how do I stay healthy MH ozone and you can do it the box is like th000 bucks 1,500 bucks uh you get an oxygen tank you get the tubes you know you're you're pay you're P for 1,600 bucks or less right yeah and it doesn't cost you it cost you the oxygen take to rent every month yep and you can

01:52:16 if you do ozone every day like let's say 5 days a week you will never get sick that's right I mean like it's it's unbelievable how well it works I just got to say more consistent I always say gosh I you know I got to do more ozone because you know I'll travel and you know I'm in hotels a lot I lose my I lose my routine but ozone therapy man and you that's one of the things when I first went to your place you know I'm like looking at what I'm like oh he likes Oz that's he's got to know his [ __ ] because you know ozone to me is the

01:52:48 most underrated thing in medicine yeah I mean you you can treat so much with it you really can and and like you said it has with the Home applications and then either doing major autohemotherapy or a 10 pass or an ozone dialysis or whatever you know whatever terminology you want to use for that and yeah it's just profound I mean it is really good in terms of everything that it can do for the body um you know excuse me a lot of people worry about hersing I actually don't see a lot of that I could see it

01:53:17 with the dialysis because so much it is but you know I agree with you right you would think if that's going to poke the skunk right that would be the time that they would hers and I just don't see a high incidence of that so if that's a fear of someone's that maybe they're going to hers now if someone has a real tell people what her is that so oh yeah her traditionally this was defined as What's called the jerish herxheimer reaction I think he was an Austrian born physician but he was describing what

01:53:43 would happen when you give someone I think it was Penicillin actually is what he was given to cilis patients and so he would give penicillin and they would have this massive die off of syphilis bacteria and it would you know cause them to get like a cocine storm and they would feel really sick and flu like or like they were getting an infection and it's basically like you're getting the flu right a herx is kind of like getting the flu or getting a cold where you feel kind of crappy for a few hours and and

01:54:06 and and that is traditionally called a herx reaction um and that happens when we give somebody a therapy like vitamin C ozone where we're kind of causing like a cocine reaction or cocine storm in the body and they'll complain of like flu like symptoms body aches headaches fevers you know chills that kind of jazz um and it usually passes within like 6 to 12 hours oh it's not bad it's pretty gone but uh I tell them like take some Tylen all stuff but most people don't actually even have the only time that

01:54:31 I've got a hers with ozone uh it's happened two different uh well couple days in a row but two different times both times with covid and it was really yeah I was doing the the ozone insulation and man it was rough I mean I was being kind of a [ __ ] but I'm just saying it was it was rough but you could tell something maybe I don't want to do any more oone day you know cuz it was it was battling but yet yeah um I you worst HKS that that I've seen is with Gerson Therapy between day 10 and 14 people get sick

01:55:07 for a couple days okay and it's like there a fever which you want you want a fever you know I think with disease tell me what you think about this hypothesis I think a lot of lot of the reasons we have an increase in Cancer and a lot of these diseases is because when someone has a fever we give them Tylenol yeah I don't I was taught by a pediatrician an Irish pediatrician he's like look you don't you don't treat a fever or a cough unless it's disrupting something interesting and um he would he would be like you don't treat a kid for

01:55:37 a cough unless it's keeping him up at night you know I saw I saw a little guy this morning who looks like he's got pneumonia and I was like look you know he you know only use the medicine to stop his cough at night so he can sleep we don't want to stop the cough that's not the right answer you got to get this Badness out of your lungs but but we do have to sleep and so yeah Dr Daly actually said don't treat a fever or a cough unless it's causing an issue and I I agree with you we treat things too

01:56:03 early we don't let the body kind of develop and and and I I know another thing and this may a lot of people may not kind of agree with what I'm about to say and I don't I guess what I'm saying is I'm very kind of skeptical about this I listen to RFK Jr on Joe Rogan's podcast I believe it was at the beginning of the year I don't remember the month but you know r K went through a great and I believe by the way that with his experience and the way he lines things out I think he is a really intelligent

01:56:29 man and I think he has a lot to offer when it comes to like perspective on the vaccines so what I list when I listened to that and what I heard from him was is that what I knew which is that yes these things have changed drastically over decades from the manufacturer's perspective also that um there was not a lot of studies done on harm and sort of like what could happen to immune suppression after we've done all these vaccines and young kids and I guess after hearing him speak about that I look at some of these

01:56:59 problems that we're getting as we get older and I you know like look man when we were in our 20s you didn't see young women getting endometrial or ovarian or uterine cancer no right like that wasn't a thing when we were younger and and now it's a thing and and I'm I'm skeptical about like why is this happening I think birth control is a big contributor I I do get concerned about how the newer gener ation of vaccines could be affecting our immune system because we're not really allowed to question

01:57:27 that well I think all of them like when it comes to vaccines and definitely not antiva but you know a lot of what we do is based on the immune system like that's my focus I focus right yeah I could talk to even stem cells have the immune component right stem cells to me are immunotherapy because even if we're doing a shoulder what happens we inject it we're sending the immune system really into all these stem cells cells are signaling everything to come so I mean when I look at it if we're taking 70 to 80 vaccines as a before

01:57:59 we're 18 years old if we're giving our kids that many vaccines we have to acknowledge that that's going to change the immune system you're causing you know hypers stimulation right so you're you're creating a inflammatory State uh to present an antigen through the dtic cell uh to the teeth cell to remember hey if you ever see this again um don't go kill it and producing B Cel an producing anti yeah mon what is like nobody's really done a study on what's the cumulative effect of 70 to 80 vaccines I I agree with that that's a

01:58:45 great question right I would love to know the answer I mean come on it's got to be something it's got to be bad it's got to be because I don't think it's good you know I mean like I just can't see that that would be a good outcome you know um yeah so I I think that a lot of these diseases and stuff that we see younger cancers and stuff um while I worry about the environmental thing I know we kind of got off this talking about the environmental stuff on testosterone but I think it's actually contributing to a lot of this and then

01:59:10 you know if we go back to the testosterone thing like man guys are getting young or lower uh getting lower and lower testosterone at a younger and younger age you know they're definitely coming in I mean I see so many young kids in their 20s with this and I I try not to put them on testosterone up front right I try to do HCG or en Chopin to get them up and kind of maintain them because that way I got good fertility and testicular function preservation and I'm not I'm not just allocating them to

01:59:36 testosterone for the rest of their life um but yeah man the environmental factors are contributing to the decline the staying up late stress I think is a huge one and then I I do get really concerned about these things vaccines and our long-term stuff especially as it comes up with cancer and stuff yeah I'm not saying don't take vaccines but I'm just I'm concerned about what it's happened we should we should use some common sense though and say hey is SE which ones of these do they do they really need uh he B that's my point like

02:00:06 why would I I got a call from a young guy it's a fighter recently and they had a baby and the baby was going to get a series of vaccines I said you know one thing I can tell you for sure is that I tell you I would not do a he B vaccine right like especially in a neonate you know there's no reason for that like I didn't get a HB vaccine until I went to med school right right you know um and it was because I was why do they they give it to him like on day one right yeah absolutely the next day whatever is

02:00:28 it only sexually transmitted or blood to blood blood blood blood yeah all body fluids something that a neonate is not going to be in contact with except it's his mom dad or brothers or sisters so if the mom is negative or the dad's negative why give them that at that age I agree and you know and there's also the philosophy that a lot of people who get he be will actually clear it I say a lot I think it's it's a probably about 20% but you know yeah certain number of people that get Hepatitis B can actually

02:00:52 I just imagine and not convert to The Chronic be patient if you were going to give he be wouldn't you want to wait till somebody's sexually active I agree same thing with gardisil well that's that's a tricky one huh gardisil I mean I've seen a lot of people die of ovarian and there cervical cancer and you know it's tough many times it's HPV related yep so I think about I had a a girl I dated that ended up coming to my hospital and dying of cervical cancer but um you know so it's close to home but now there's a but

02:01:31 like there are some major side effects to that damn vaccine yes there are you know it's a tough it's not all the you know roses and whatever lollipops and gumdrops is cracked up to me it's not and and I've told my daughters who are now you know they're both actually 19 right now I got one that'll be 20 in a couple of weeks but um I've told them I'm like if somebody ever tells you that they want to give you a gal vaccine you better run not walk to the door like get the hell out of there as fast as you can

02:01:57 yeah you know um yeah I It's Tricky you know I one interesting thing to it I'm not sure the first dose is bad it's that they make you because I was looking at the data they did not uh this has been probably five years so I'm trying to remember but like they did not do studies on uh how many you really need I'm not sure that you need the three that they I think it might just be one ultimately all you're looking at is a little antigens you know get that your immune system recognized that's right and I'm

02:02:32 not sure now interesting about gardisil uh we like to use it in our squa cell HPV positive patients we'll in HPV yeah yeah we'll inject it right in the tumor yeah and um is that is that how are you guys getting success like how's that helping yeah we do yes uh we do a combination approach but um yes I mean we've had we're pretty good at Squam cell HPV positive we know a lot about that cancer not great at curing it but very good at getting it to go away for a while with very little side effects yeah and that's like the number

02:03:02 one cancer in men right now isn't it it's unbelievable yes so you know men are seven times more likely to have an HPV squamous than a woman it's like the new because we we kiss a lot and you get HPV the mouth and then you get it up the neck or throat gets in your constant man I mean I've seen so many cases probably treated I I bet you over 150 patients yeah I had a good friend who died just like a week before his 50th birthday a couple years ago yes you know of um of scamell carcinome of the head neck I'll

02:03:31 tell you something I'm sorry to hear that I'll tell you something interesting about that that cancer and some other ones so the offthe Shelf um prophylactic vaccines that we give people a lot of them are uh good for cancer there's a lot of data on it intratumorally yeah so um and the reason you're not seeing it right now as a entic uh virus is because it's off patent so they're trying to rework these vaccines to be entic cancer vaccines inter but they're basically just some off-the-shelf stuff so with

02:04:11 our new um translational Advanced Medical Center one of the new models is we're taking these off-the-shelf vaccines doing them intratumorally we're freezing the tumor first first okay then we're adding multiple adant to it trying to create a systemic response response yeah yeah and uh but we're using off-the-shelf vaccines for well I can see why I mean they're going to PR promote antigenicity or they're going to promote an immune response so that's what you're looking for yeah you got it yeah interesting but there's like so

02:04:41 much to so yeah clearly not antia actually you know doctors know more about vaccines than most people I guess I would too just from the line of work for sure and you know but Society likes to put us in boxes these days where you you're either antiva or you're provac so oh so to be provac I have to be for all vaccines never I have to be the way that you define it I can't be the way that I Define it you know yeah it doesn't it doesn't really make any sense or like gardol I remember like really digging

02:05:11 into that vaccine and I'm like why are they giving multiple doses here there wasn't really long-term studies on it I mean they didn't follow these women for a long time to see what happened and just to show you how kind of you have seen cervical cancer almost completely Dro in women that that have had it though sure yeah I mean no doubt right like it could make a difference for them and I I'm glad that those women were able to benefit from it um I would like to think that we could take that and make it so that it it helps you know

02:05:38 a higher percentage of women and harms nobody that would be the idea they could just do vaginal ozone yeah that worked I mean I got I got at least one case study that to say that that's true um I gosh I had a thought I don't even know where I was going going with it but yeah it's just it it it I I believe that we got to definitely evaluate where we go with the vaccine schedule and kids I just think we can do better yeah absolutely you know I mean I don't think we need to kind of force this all at

02:06:05 once and you know and that's why I told the guy I was advising I said look I'm not saying that things like a measles Ms and rubella wouldn't be good so I mean maybe it is maybe not all at once you can't get it in the United stat I have people I have an immunologist uh who came to me the United States like hey I don't want to give my kid all this at once can you get it for me separate I got it for him separate in Mexico yeah but makes sense I'll just yeah come on come on come on if the farmer comes and

02:06:34 buys beef from you what does that mean I mean come on he got it he understood yeah and that's happened now with two immunologists uh another one that well I want I don't want to get too personal but there's been two now um with testosterone uh do you go directly into the muscle with your injection or have you done the um with insul yeah yeah or yeah like subq or micro doing yeah I have clients and and I've tried both um or all the above so I have I've done both larger injections or larger volume injections subq I've done micro

02:07:09 doing subq both of those I'm one of the like 40% of guys that if I use a testosterone subcutaneous I get painful lumps in my skin Oh interesting so C certain guys um I and I don't understand the mechanism that I actually didn't really like go crazy about trying to figure out exactly what's going on but it creates like a little inflammatory nodule under my skin and from my research and what I've gleaned it's about 40% of guys that can't kind of do a subq injection um I am a for me specifically I'm a fan of doing my

02:07:39 injection every four days every three days or so so I typically do like Monday and Friday and I will do it in my thigh and I like an intramuscular injection I prefer I've been doing that for 10 years nice and um I I I do I do a subq HCG that I use occasionally and then I also take alexanderon or anavar for about two eight-week courses a year interesting uh but my testosterone maintain I don't most of my clients don't take I don't have to give them a lot of testosterone as you know this misnomer around you

02:08:08 need this massive amount of testosterone is quite BS actually you just you know most of my clients are somewhere between like 120 to 160 milligrams a week what what do you like to keep your clients uh what what testosterone level do you like to keep your clients if I can see you two to three days after your LA or after your injection was done I want to see your total in the 12 to 1400 range 11 to 1300 range kind of in that top 20% right if I can get you 1,000 to 1200 1100 to 1300 somewhere in that range I'm happy

02:08:38 I've kept mine between 800 and a th000 so you see that bump between that I probably would do I mean I I think that well let me let me preface this with a little bit of like a maybe a caveat sure the caveat is is that you're probably not going going to feel if if you're getting great results at 900 then taking it from 900 to 1100 is probably not going to change how you feel that much um and what I've seen is that the the way that the the injection is done so let's say I inject today what happens is about 24 hours or so from now

02:09:14 your total testosterone is going to reach its peak and then about another 24 hours or so half half a day or some 18 hours after after that is when your free testosterone reaches its peak so about two and a half to three days in is when I'm looking at the total testosterone coming down a little bit and the free testosterone should be right about its peak if I see a peak between and I'm going off of my scale what my lab says so normally on my scale I think the top range of free testosterone is like 27 or

02:09:45 26 I try to push it a little bit higher than that I want to see them somewhere between like 25 to 30 in that free testosterone and I'll have some guys who will hang out in kind of the low 30s now the only thing that happens if you get more testosterone in my experience right is that they're just asking for a little more estrogen issues and and if you're not drinking alcohol and you're not overweight you're like carrying a lot of excess body fat and eating crappy food your estrogen typically is never going

02:10:11 to cause a problem yeah I take an anti-estrogen just because well my hemoglobin was starting to I was like 19 okay and so uh yeah I I started well started giving blood too and then I saw your video I'm like ah sense I'm not give blood so do you feel better after you donate yeah you notice like you feel like like I'm five pounds lighter right AB absolutely yes that's the typical thing that guys say yeah so um but it's interesting with it I mean I do the subq I mean and because I did not like putting the

02:10:43 needle in my hip yep you know it's like you know it can be painful or whatever being a [ __ ] but I mean it's like you know is what it is and uh but what got me back on it consistently was the uh little microing like yeah it's just great I do it two times a week my levels are yeah between 800 and a th000 and um and I bet if you at that level I and I have to say that I do believe that the subq rout probably won't get your levels up as high but it doesn't mean you don't feel just as good so to me there's a

02:11:13 pretty broad range at which men are going to feel good with testosterone I mean especially if someone's sitting at 250 or 150 if you get above 700 you're going D like God yeah yeah so I mean it's um yeah it's interesting though I mean people uh you know I like that you don't just put people on testosterone because if I do want to have kids I mean Laura and I will probably get married here in the next couple years and got to you know got a plan get some babies so I'll have to be careful with that one

02:11:42 here you know but yeah I I really try to I try to approach fertility with every male client right I mean I've got some obviously that are older like me I've had a bisectomy my kids kids are 20 years old right I'm not it's not a worry for me anymore sure um but yeah I I just don't reflexively go to testosterone unless that's the only solution for the problem gotcha um anything else you want to bring up uh before we close it out you know I'm really excited about about upgrade Labs I'm really excited about

02:12:09 upgrade Labs upgrade Labs is Dave asprey's biohacking franchise so we were talking about red light n sauna we're going to have a couple of red light charger beds pulse electromagnetic field therapy which I think you guys use as as maybe in the cancer Realm um from us it's great you know for detox and kind of like recalibrating your body um cryotherapy um oxfit so we're going to have some artificial intelligence um workout capabilities there's going to be um a brain biohacking component to this so so for those people who are watching

02:12:42 and are interested in like what are the modalities outside of things like ozone hormone replacement therapy IV Therapy proper vitamin supplementation that are going to be available for me and say the next three or so years that are going to keep me healthy I would say the biohacking industry is really going to come around there's going to be more uh locations opportunities for the regular person to kind of get into some of these use some of these strategies that I guess are kind of Fringe in a way uh or

02:13:09 are you going to be doing the upgrade LS yeah I'm part of the franchise team that's going to be bringing it here so um I'm I'm affiliated with that group is it going to be are you going to have your clinic inside I'm not okay um what we may do is in the initial set up we may put a smaller concept of compass that would support it from the IV component next door gotcha when we look for our location the real estate will have to kind of accommodate that and if we can find that that would be my goal

02:13:33 so that we have a uh a compass location that provides IV therapy and what we do on the peptide side that would then complement the therapies that are present within the walls of the upgrade Labs I see but that's a big that's a very exciting project to be part of and then um another thing that we're doing at compus which is kind of a um you know a stop before people could come to CPI is our autologus Sim cell program I heard you recently talking on a podcast about what makes CPI different the hypoxic nature that you guys grow

02:14:05 yourselves and you know you probably have some other proprietary things that you do to do that and I think you and I were talking a couple weeks ago at that bulletproof conference and I said you know what we would want to do as a as a company is offer clients a solution when they may not be able to use what CPI could offer sure maybe from a travel standpoint or a cost standpoint that's not feasible for them but in the US now and and and I have to admit right it's also not as good I can't get the high

02:14:30 quality things that that you have access to or that CPI has access to but instead in if we don't just throw the baby out with the bath water we'd say well what's an option that's kind of lesser on the scale than that and it's to basically Harvest a teaspoon or so of fat grow your own adapost Drive stem cells and I believe that these are kind of like they're not 25-year-old Navy seals are more like 45y Old Navy Seals that are they're still good but they're just not quite as fast you know or quite as

02:14:56 potent um but but my point is is that you know if a client needs a hip knee or shoulder or some kind of regenerative medicine process uh back spine whatever you know we can work to help them get that treated and and you know we we often times take our clients who are coming in with those types of needs and if we can funnel them to CPI or that higher level of care because it's best for their outcome then that's what we want um and then if they can't make that happen then we're going to be building a

02:15:25 process that I think is going to allow us to help more people when they can't kind of get the you know the bigger or better treatment awesome so those are two things that are coming up for us that I'm really excited about uh we saw the protest that happened outside of whatever was it Kellogg or something like a couple of weeks ago where there were a group of moms that got together protesting outside the Kellogg's headquarters talking about the flavor you know the colors in the Cal and I and I hope we see more of that I mean you

02:15:48 know logical U discourse with good dialogue to support it and the problem that we have is that there are people stakeholders who think that they know everything as we went through Co this is all we've already discussed this right people who think they know thought they had the market cornered you know like mayor whatever his name was that says this crazy asinine thing that in a medical sense we' have been like we would have thrown eggs at him like get out of here that makes no sense you know but anyway we we need to be uh in we as

02:16:16 consumers need to demand that the people who are giving us advice are actually the people who should be giving us advice right you know we shouldn't I would not go to somebody who as an employee at Bridgestone and ask them how do I need to run my business right I would rather go to someone who's ran a successful business buy your dinner spend a couple hours with you and say hey I I know I need to grow I need to change how can I do that right and and pick a better mind somebody who's smarter than me at what's going on you

02:16:44 know yeah no absolutely that is it is key working with people that are are are smarter than us in those areas because that's that's everything our team in Mexico you hire the right people dude you know you hire the doctors who got the expertise you hire the best clinicians on the planet absolutely you know and you give them give them free reign to do what they need to do yeah absolutely well I really appreciate you know you being in Nashville um you being a friend and um you know you help a lot

02:17:10 of people with your work it's important work yeah makes a difference um and if anybody is in Nashville uh go see Dr Howard like I said when um when I'm in town and I need some ozone IV I go over there I don't really have many issues so I don't come to you for issues I have my Hospital yeah it's not like you got chronic Healthcare you need just some maintenance to tune up on The Tweak the motor a little bit here and but you know if uh if I needed a full primary care I would go to you for sure in nille

02:17:41 there's nobody else so um yeah we're real thankful to be able to do I I know for me I tell people the smartest decision I made was marrying my wife the second smartest decision I made was to leave surgery and jump out of that game and and leave it totally and I um I I don't go to work or go to my office anytime and feel like I'm burdened I get to do what I really enjoy doing and I'm really excited about it and from the standpoint of being able to continue to do this type of work I'm really excited

02:18:10 about especially as I see people's excitement kind of coming up you know what I mean and knowing what is out there because I'm you know I'm GNA get old soon or older and I'm not I'm gonna have to step away from the table but and eventually it's going to be time to pass these reins off to somebody else and and I'm excited to see these younger crowds that are more interested in this approach to stay in well you know rather than kind of just taking the old approach that our parents did and and watching us get sick fat old and dead I

02:18:36 just it's not what I want and you know we help all age groups right like I see I see young kids who are struggling you they say young kids like young athletes that some of them that are transitioning over to college sometimes I see uh High performing athletes are like this kid's going to go walk on somewhere I need you to put in a performance program we've got athletes both current and former professional athletes Fighters some of the fighters that you probably know that we work with um high-powered executiv so

02:19:01 and then regular people regular people who are just realizing like look we don't want what our parents had this is we got us so much and and and honestly it's not as expensive as what you would think especially when you consider what you would spend on a dinner you know what I mean like I don't know you can anybody tell me a place where you can go get like a grass-fed Stak and take your do your your wife or you know girlfriend out for a dinner for less than 300 bucks probably not going to happen you know

02:19:27 our monthly you would spend less than that per month at our place to basically get a a starting level of therapy so yeah so cost-wise we can do a lot for people and um and and we're able to be able to plug into their life and really help them move forward it's just a great thing yeah it's and you know having someone local not a general practitioner that where you're just going to these you know where where there're a number but someone where they'll actually know you um I think it makes a big difference

02:19:56 especially you know with real health I mean you have ozone there I go back to but you have ozone there you have a lot of different modalities that you know that can actually help people and uh instead of just giving people an SSRI or those type of things you're going to give them tools I I guess your office is an office for people who actually want to get healthy that's right they got to do work but they got to you know if they want to get help they're going to have our support right it's not like we're

02:20:24 going to throw them out in the street and say Hey you know we don't really have a good structure for you here no I will tell you and we will tell you exactly what to do doesn't make it easy for or easier rather for you to go do it but it does mean that you at least have the steps um and you're going to have support from us we're not going to we're not going to not follow up with you we're going to try to hold you accountable as much as you will allow us to Y and um and I have that discussion with clients I had a lady the other day

02:20:51 I'm like you know you want to do these things but yet you don't want to change your diet and I'm like so what's going to happen is that six months you're going to continue to do what you want and and and we've seen what you doing what you want got you right it got you here it got you overweight and fighting all these problems and so at what point do you want to recognize that your approach is not working and you need to go to my Approach I said because the problem is is that if in 6 months you don't allocate all the resources to what

02:21:20 I do you're going to go around and tell people that my Approach and I did not work for you yeah and that's not how I like to do things well yeah and people you know if someone's overweight people can tell you know that's right that's right put down the cheesecake yeah put down the fried chicken be more intentional yeah come on but uh so I don't think anybody would believe her you know you yeah it's maybe not right this may be the crazy person on the internet that leaves a review you're like okay well I can tell

02:21:50 automatically that's kind of quackery right maybe it would be that way but but you know here's what I found too is that as much as it is to prevent them from going out and saying that we didn't work it's more about preventing the frustration from me right absolutely you know when they come back in they're like yeah cuz I prepare brother when you come back in I'm going to know what your body comp says I'm going to know what your Labs not only today say I know what your Labs said before what do you do for body

02:22:13 comp uh uh B inbody analysis we're actually getting a new one that's something I should have talked about we we had the inbody 770 we're up upgrading to the inbody 970 now it's going to give us a ton more data well yeah we have a dexa what's the difference between like a dexa body well we can do an indirect measurement of bone density through mineral load okay so I can measure kind of like calcium content but I can't actually measure like bone density like a dexa can Okay so it can give you more

02:22:41 of like a thickness a hardness or however you want to you know call that scale but we're going to measure more of a mineral load or a calcium load which it is rough correlated to bone density right so if their bone density is going down their calcium load's going to go down so I will be able to kind of indirectly you know detect osteoporosis or osteopenia yeah um the good news about the 970 is that it gives us a lot more data but it's also more portable for the patient so now what happens is all that data gets uploaded to the cloud

02:23:09 you as a client download an app all of that data goes to your phone and so you have I mean we you had access to it before because we gave you your records but now you're actually able to have it on an app where it's and all the pages from your report will be there so it's going to be much more condensed for the client and and we can have uh more data to help give them advice on what we're doing and then I looked at a device today which is actually a breath test I don't want to give this away too much

02:23:34 but I can actually start to do with a breath test I can determine metabolic age and then we can come back and determine if our interventions improved your metabolic age how does it do that well I just looked at it today I'm G to come back to you on that I a lot ofir stuff though so we're like and I I hate to say this but I'm just going to say this it's the truth the te the stuff that has to do with telr all of it's bogus yep I've heard this I I I didn't get experience myself but I've heard other people yeah so

02:24:02 people talk about telr length well I mean I've got all the equipment at my hospital to run it and my scientists are so against it because it's so bogus if we were to say well this is what it is because you can't get an accurate read we're actually trying to develop like the first legit test yeah telr test that there is I didn't know that because you hear people say well the telr length shortened or what like there's nothing there's nothing that's accurate we have all the we've done them all it's like

02:24:29 you can't get consistency on any of them and then when you know how to read those papers you can see kind of what they did so I was just wondering if it was Tel Link because I was just going to say hey no I don't think it's tele link but I but I agree with you right that probably would not be the metric that I would want to follow I I don't know exactly how this test works I got an email from a from a marketing it wasn't a marketing company it was like a membership club like some society that I got an email

02:24:52 from a regenerative medicine Society I think and it was just like hey look at this device and so I went to their website I spent like two minutes looking like okay this is this work another look you know for me to come back yeah we're going out to Meda in Germany next week uh well November 7th and we should I'll let you know what I find tell you if there's anything that you might like but um that's a big they they do like a whole host of devices and diagnostic everything you can it's like you know

02:25:18 it's it's big big uh big device Pharma per se you know it's everything you could think of but we should find some cool oh I meant to ask you have you ever seen a a Weber Indo laser not that I can recall I would be they're about 35 Grand I would be willing to buy one for you okay you do the training get used to it so then I could send one of my doctors to train with you okay uh if you're open to it but that thing is awesome what is it for like vein ablations oh my gosh you're gonna if you haven't seen this you're

02:25:48 going to freak when you see it so um it has multiple different fiber optic lasers okay um that you put in your veins so it's light in the vein but you can do for injuries after the stem cells you can put that in the joint there are so many the reason I said I would buy the machine for you is because I know you would do the training and it's easier than me sitting my doctor a Germany to do training do that and probably about the same cost so but um it does so much uh all the different lights and you would

02:26:22 learn um through their system what all the different lights do uh uh inside the blood inside the blood yeah yeah and so there's a whole I mean there's a lot of old science on it that was from the 1940s 30s 50 because before antibiotics they Ed light yeah ultra light right so you know you run if I remember correctly you run your the blood through a uv8 we have we have two actually we I'm sorry I I spoke we we used to have two we had a red and a blue and then what we did was is we ordered a unit called the

02:26:59 hemolin and the hemalin has seven or eight I forget exactly how many wavelengths of light in but it's got like yellow and blue and red it's got a whole bunch of things so and now the blood is actually coursing through this little thing where it's got like this whole panel shooting this light at the blood and with the we only we we do that on the ozone 10 pass because we can use it in conjunction with the unit so we're using that light now whereas before we got the hemol umin we couldn't use light

02:27:25 therapy in a 10 pass but now we can I see cuz the units are compatible and it was only during the dialysis but now we're using this huge supercharged light therapy on that I don't know how it compares to this well the Weber it's it's the it's like the version It's the difference between the apheresis that you're doing and like the tin pass you can see that the the apheresis is a lot better much more potent treat more potent I should say yeah they're both good but um yeah I'll I'll send it to you and if you like

02:27:55 it I'll buy you I'll buy you one uh because I've always wanted to have one of those um uh you know with someone who knows how to use it and you can't find them anywhere in America so yeah interesting well Dr Howard thank you so much for coming by we've been going out over two hours now and uh let's do it again sometime in the next year yeah man it's great great be here thank you and I wish you guys all the best I know you're doing really cool things down there at CPI trying to and Tam and trying to grow

02:28:24 this cancer program I you're doing great work and I just I couldn't be happier to to know you and see what you're doing and watch you you guys really start to change Healthcare in the world so congratulations on what y do thank you very much thank you for what you do