you were part of the world record longest sniper shot the shot was at 3,540 M 2.2 Mi as a sniper you've got to obviously stay still you know for a long period of time I'm guessing some people just can't do it yeah there's a lot of people that just don't like it so I had a deployment before I was a sniper to Afghanistan I was in an assault Squadron this grocery store that we would go to got hit by a guy with a suicide vest being kicked out of the unit was actually for a masking thing they were going to fire anyone that didn't take shot they lied to people to get them to take an experimental vaccine the powers that b are expecting us to just get over it we should just be able to be free to make this decision on what is injected into our body I do believe in Freedom everybody I do believe in it Dallas Alexander welcome to the podcast hey thanks for having me thanks for coming all the way from Canada um I know you're working down here but for those uh who don't know uh Dallas uh was a sniper uh in the Canadian military um caused a little bit of controversy last year with his objection to being mandated to do the vaccine uh was really a a worldwide story um when you went on Shawn there was a lot of lot of stuff that went on and uh is one of the holders of the world record for the longest sniper shot as well so uh Dallas yeah thanks for coming I'm glad we lined it up this trip yeah yeah we've been we've been trying to do it for a while but um I'm glad uh you know you're able to do it this time oh yeah so um you know let's talk a little bit about your your background um where did you grow up where you from yeah from Canada like you mentioned uh I grew up in western Canada in Alberta tiny little place population about 300 people uh fishing lake matey settlement is what it's called so it's like a little indigenous Community uh grew up like in the forest essentially nice so I moved out I want to say at 18 to play hockey play Junior Hockey as every good Canadian should and then uh joined the military after that so so uh what made you want to join the the military I think it was it was I was working in the oil field and it was at the tail end of my junior like uh you know career if you want to call it that and I was kind of debating if I keep trying to play hockey I wasn't going to go to the NHL but I probably could have played some Semi-Pro here or there were you at this time uh I would have been 22 okay I think so at the end of like my last year of Junior um and I was just kind of deciding like if it's what I wanted wanted to do um and I was working in the oil field in Alberta and a guy I was working with he'd done a stint in the military that was a few years and uh he told me about this unit that I had no idea about and it was our special operations unit called jtf2 and it was like as soon as I heard what first I didn't believe him I didn't know anything about our military and I didn't even believe we had a counterterrorism unit uh and then I I looked it up on the old dialup internet and uh he was telling the truth and from like I just remember being hooked to that idea right away I think it was like a sense of adventure um there was the team aspect of hockey physical challenge mental challenge all these things I was assuming but it was like oh this this seems like it would be a really hard thing uh and I was just from that moment I was like focused on that and i' never really considered the military before that which weird like I'm not from a military family I didn't even know we really had much of a military um yeah so it was just kind of found out about it and then I started watching all the cool like Special Forces movies Blackhawk Down and stuff and I was like hook I was like this is what I want to do what is uh jtf2 if you were to compare it to a unit in the United States what uh like your your SEAL Team Six guys or your your Delta Force guys we worked with them a lot kind of all over the place um sort of like that or uh 22 SAS in the UK okay and what's the what's the training like for that you so you went to the military at around 22 yeah uh you like is it like the Army what what's it called when you I started in the Army and you have to do two years in like a regular Force service before you can try out for the Special Operations that's how it worked at the time anyway I don't know if that's changed but uh so I joined the army first went to a light infantry battalion um did all the the soldier training and whatever and then after doing that for two years you're allowed to apply to do selection for the uh Special Operations group and uh it's it's from the Battalion you're in you have to pass like a physical test and psychological evaluation and have the support from your chain of command uh then you go on this C and it's just uh at the time again I don't know if this changed but it's was a 7-Day selection and it's just very intense in every way that you can imagine to see if you can you know cut it I guess for the job if you can hack it um and I went and did selection and I somehow passed it nice uh yeah and then I I went to the unit and there's once you're done selection if you get picked up to go on course they call it the Special Operations ass Salter course that's where you learn all your you know shooting fighting whatever infill driving jumping everything that special operations nice how long's uh how long is that training for that course is I I think it's changed over the years I don't know if it's from what I remember between N9 and 10 or 11 months um what's that training like it kind of covers everything like the idea of it is once you're selected for you know assumed ability to be able to take on these these skills you go and like start at the basics of shooting with you know pistol and everything up to machine guns like the range of of weapons you just start very basic and just get faster and it's a very fast-paced course but they it everything starts at the basics so you start that and then you start going into like CQB which is like the Close Quarters battle stuff kill house things uh big part of the Mandate for the unit is hostage rescue so there's a lot of like training in CQB and again you start at basic level and it just gets crazier and crazier and faster um and then they add insertion methods sort of or or infill way so you know like your your skydiving and your heho and Halo jumping tactical driving training repelling and fast roping and uh all of that stuff anything to do with getting you to a Target or off a Target um and then there's a big focus on what we call like green green phase so you're in the four Forest you're doing things like reconnaissance and uh doing hits or da from the forest back to the forest you spend a bunch of time in the woods and uh carrying heavy weight and doing all that stuff with drills to break contact or to do attacks and stuff like that so they just every Soldier skill you can think of yeah is like covered in that you know 10 10 months or whatever it is and then um when did you decide to become a sniper within that unit uh so when I did my two years years in the Army I had actually done the rag for Sniper course at the time cuz when I got to Battalion it was just I was learning all this stuff and I saw like it was across the hall in our line I was like oh those guys look so cool like carrying their sniper guns and [ __ ] uh so I was like that seems like something I'd want to do and I love the outdoors from growing up that way uh so i' had already done my sniper course and then when I got to uh jtf2 they had their own sniper troop there so I would I was kind of already you know knew somewhat what to expect and I wanted to do the same thing when I got there and from looking at it it had like the hardest [ __ ] were there you know what I mean like all the guys that were given her and really wanted to do the job it's and we're pushing the limits and stuff whether it's long range or jumping or you know the Airborne operation stuff and it just seemed like the hardest collection of people so I was like that's where I want to go and work that's awesome um so you you go through the the training course nine or 10 months you become a sniper within that that unit no so that's after so the 10 months is for you to be a they call Special Operations assaulter so you are an assault Squadron doing hits a lot of this the CB stuff we talked about um hostage rescue stuff um I went I did our sniper course probably another two years after I was in the unit um and then you get put on a different course and I think at the time was four months long or something to do the the sniper training and again it starts with the basic grouping zering how to maintain your rifle how to just shoot at 100 meters and then out to whatever I mean as a sniper you've got to obviously stay still uh you know for a long period of time um what's that like like uh how do they prepare you for that and I'm guessing some people just can't do it yeah there's a lot of people that I don't know if they can't do they just don't like it you know cuz sniping there's a big percentage of it is your Outdoors though if that's not your jam don't become a sniper and a lot of it is just watching like whether it's three your rifle scope or a spotting scope or team doing surveillance and like you said it's like just sitting there patiently still and watching and a very small percentage of it is actually like shooting bad guys um so I I for me I think you know you're either it's something you don't mind doing MH or it's something you absolutely hate but you get comfortable with it on sniper course like you you're behind your gun a lot you're just laying there a lot you get used of looking through Scopes and binos and and uh and and spotting Scopes and so it just like it builds you build up a tolerance for it I guess because it can be very fatiguing I don't know like if you just take a set of binos you know binoculars and look around the city for half an hour like your eyes will be tired and so you just kind of build up that I don't know eye endurance yeah um so what was your first mission snip uh for me as a sniper MH so I had a deployment before I was a sniper to Afghanistan and my first what year was the first deployment to Afghanistan just kind of give uh I was in an assault Squadron so it was kind of a weird I I got put in a mixed batch group of guys for this one and it was um I honestly at first I was supposed to go on a different uh tasking and I was excited about it and the guys were doing hits um in uh Kandahar and like that's what I had been training for and I was like hell yeah that's what I want to do but I was a spare to go on tour so it wasn't guaranteed that I was going to go and if someone got injured maybe and then this other task came up and just chatting with my chain of command they're like well you can go for sure on this one and this was my first deployment so I was like okay I'll take it because I want to go overseas um and it ended up being a group of us were supporting our intelligence service so they were uh doing Source handling operations uh you know getting information on on the bad guys or whatever and we were there to facilitate kind of the security of all the meetings and so it as you can imagine the bad people they're meeting with should not be seen meeting with the people they're meeting with so you have to do a bunch of things to make sure they're not being followed tracked in their phone all these things so a lot of it was like undercover work you know I was dressed like an Afghani on the street corner smoking cigarettes oh nice riding a motorbike or whatever and it was really cool I I I was sort of disappointed that I got that task when I got it but then I was very happy after that I did it because it was it was just different a lot of freedom I was just running around the cities and it was just very cool um looking back on it I was like that was a really good time yeah I mean so you're you're undercover Afghan yeah uh like don't talk to me yeah like we were with the interpreters we were working with we'd be like you know couple words and try and sort out an accent to be like enough that people will leave you the [ __ ] alone or just pretend you're on your phone listening to someone just like don't try and engage too much sure and there would be times like people you get you know someone starts acting weird and looking at you and you just get on your motorbike and and leave or whatever and get replaced by someone else who's doing the counter surveillance or whatever your job is at that time what year was this this would have been uh 2010 and into 11 and I was in Kabul okay so yeah we were still well the United States was still uh actively yeah fting over there a lot yeah what um so so with that mission what what what kind of came up with it came out of it uh it was just I I don't even know if there's much value in these reports it's hard to tell sometimes you know if this guy works with the Taliban and comes he's telling them stuff and goes into an intelligence report and does it turn into a Target is it real you know it's it's really hard in that game to figure out exactly if people are doing it just for a Payday or if they're like you're getting real stuff um so what came out of it intelligence wise there was some stuff that you know got moved on um but what came out of it for me was it was a really cool experience there was a ton of Adventures and just like and it was it's such a crazy that City at that time there was so many um you know there's Nos and there's other troops and they have green zone with all the embassies and stuff and there's lots of westerners kind of moving about but it was still chaos there would be like vbieds every week and like remember this grocery store cuz we lived just like in a safe house in the city mhm and so we'd just be out amongst the the public in this grocery store that we would go to to get like stuff for barbecue got like we were going to go there one day we're having barbecue and I'm like oh let's go to this other store they have better hamburger buns and just by switching locations the store we were going to go to got hit by a a guy with a suicide vest two of them went up shot up everyone a guy we knew was in there got shot and like he called us and we had to run around the city trying to find him and I was like well I'm glad we didn't go to that one because we came in after just this smoking mess SM like death and blood and like bomb parts or whatever but it was just it was such a cool mix to see I mean I don't know if cool is the right word but to see like what I really enjoyed about deploying is like the spectrum of Human Experience you know what I mean like it's you can you can sit on a patio in Iraq and have a nice espresso or you can be you know 10 miles down the road and you're fighting against Isis like yeah that's wild right it's got to be kind of like a mess with your mind it's weird yeah and then you come home and just like oh safe and sound at whatever my favorite restaurant is you think about too I think most people that are watching War uh you know think oh it's Iraq so the whole country is under Fire but it's not like you said you're 10 miles way everybody's living normally yeah they like oh they're fighting 10 miles down the road you don't want to go there yeah but um that's kind of what it is right yeah yeah and that was like so my first deployment as a sniper um was in 200 I want to say 14 something like that I deployed with uh my brother-in-law Chris who you met is was my first sniper TL and we went to Iraq and we were on kind of the line the Border I guess of Kurdistan and Iraq which is everyone knows it as one country but there it's really like two countries MH um and they were just holding this line so that Isis wouldn't continue to steamroll through all of pistan uhhuh so it was just like this old school standoff there was like a defense line MH some no man's line and bad guys over there so we were there with like our our big sniper rifles like the 50 Cals we could reach out and uh calling air strikes and stuff and just trying to support the Kurds from having Isis push them kind of back further into their country but from that line you know there's people would be a cab driver in the city and they would come up and they'd do their shift to defend their country wow and we were helping them and then you go back into the City and you can go sit down at a restaurant and have like a steak or whatever that's why yeah yeah you're like it's so weird like The Human Condition in many ways if you think about like things like that where you know we're at a a lot of of Peace over here yeah um we don't have to worry about bombings per se or anything like that but you know really being in a city or a country that's at War and just a few miles away I mean it's just for the people too because you know they've got to be worried that they're going to eventually lose that piece that they're going back to yeah uh when they're a cab driver and then going to the front lines totally and I think it speaks a lot to resiliency like human resilienc you know like even if you live a few miles from it there're just the kids still play soccer out in the field or whatever and people still you know grow their vegetable like you just you get used to what you're in of you know and you can you can adapt and I think that was cool to see is like how adaptable and resilient we are as people and us getting used to it going there because it's crazy at first you're like holy [ __ ] you're looking everywhere you're like I'm so trained to watch for stuff and then eventually you're just like you're chilling and you're paying attention but it's like you get into the rhythm of things we're okay over here yeah yeah when you think about you know what we're dealing with in society right now in the United States and Canada and you know we've become pretty soft as a society where you know they have these glass shelters around them and you know don't don't break my glass house because um I'm going to throw a temper tantrum and be a a giant victim yeah but um you well I think that's lack of real problems like we're just if everything's too good you just look for problems you know like that's right everything becomes a massive problem and that victim mindset Creeps in and I'm not saying it's better to live with the worry of a [ __ ] own strike sure but I mean if it gets too soft we see what's happening yeah how do you think that uh how do you think we fix something like that oh where would you even start I I just I think there needs to be a big change in narrative like there's a huge like victim competition it seems like you know the victim Olympics yeah yeah where it's like oh well I have more fill-in the blank you know anxiety or depression or some other acronym for things in my behavior and my trauma and my upbringing and blah blah blah and like I just it's such a terrible mindset but it's supported by it seems like you know because things that are upsetting you know get more clicks or whatever you know things that get people riled up it's just like we're being tricked into thinking that that's the best way to be or or you know the best way to get get attention maybe I guess yeah well you have the algorithm feeding you uh you know what you're supposed to be or what you like confirmation bias totally across the board and I think it's just easier to get attention that way than to work hard and get attention some other way so like that's for sure you got to work hard behind the scenes you got you know to build something like you're you're an entrepreneur to build it's not you got to work hard to do that yeah it would be way easier for you to get a million views if you were like you know just a complaining about this or that like in terms of time spent and effort it's just easier and you're still getting you know that hit of I'm getting attention from something from the world yeah I mean it's it is much easier to be a victim and you know I look at like a lot of the racial stuff that's going on and I see uh I mean I grew up in Nashville born and raised in the City Public Schools you're the only one I'm not like the only one left but very diverse um and racism wasn't a thing uh really when I was growing up in the city now you go outside the city there's a bunch of rednecks and so you you would see it there and those type of things but you know we didn't have a lot of money growing up and uh I'm glad then though that the mentality wasn't to be a victim to your circumstances because I could have made up a million reasons I could have found where I'm being wronged here I'm being wronged there and that became part of my uh identifications I identified as this victim to all of my circumstances and I'm oppressed you know and oh we're especially oppressing for instance black people too they're even more oppressed and but I'm oppressed here because you know and and it it just snowballs yeah and you know you look at what's going on now and as you're saying it's it's like a a contest of who can be the biggest victim and you think about like the racial divide you know I I can see racism in certain areas no doubt about it for sure but if it's all you focus on you're gonna just see that I can also see ways that I'm being screwed over but yeah you I've never let that uh become my identity it's like no we can overcome all of those things yeah yeah and I I mean it's such a tricky thing to try and talk about because or not necessarily talk about I love the conversation side but like to convince someone else so like yeah if you just see it differently then the same situation becomes something that can build you up versus keep you down like and I speak from experience I grew up in a Mai settlement which is an indigenous Community one of the first houses we lived in had no running water or power and I feel blessed that that was part of like my upbringing right because I'm like no matter what happens we'll be fine but also there was like I got in a lot of fights because I was I the white kids thought I was an Indian and the Indians thought I was a white kid and I'm like a half breed mate I'm like scrapping everywhere because you know and it that is racism but still eventually we grew like and I would hockey and Sport we' you know the terrible ones would go to whatever gangs and stuff like that but like you become friends with guys and you're like okay you can overcome this kind of stuff and if I just would have looked at it through the vi there's just a million places I could see where i' been like oh yeah victim mindset this is why I still live in the community and I'm addicted to this or that and like it's just a simple mindset change and it's it's simple it's not necessarily easy but it is simple the same situation can Empower you or you know belittle you I guess yeah and and ultimately in almost every situation we have a choice of how we view things so we can choose to see it one way or we can choose to see it another it can be glass half empty or glass half full and um I really think that what kids are being taught these days and Society is is just being taught in general is that being a victim is is cool yeah and um you know I was actually talking to a friend about this uh the other day um you know the words that we use for people calling them oppressed or marginalized and those type of things you know we hear those words every day in describing uh let's call it underserved communities yeah but if those people actually believe that we're actually doing a disservice well intended you know I think these in general people that are uh talking about it have good intentions for those people yeah but they don't know how the words that they say impact their mindset because mindset is is probably 90% of it and words are powerful absolutely like yeah it it it sucks I think like to go back to your original questions how you change it I think there needs to be just an overarching change in narrative like start showing people that the same story can be power ful like you know um and having other people say that you know instead of oppressed and all these words you're using like you know there's so many inspiring Underdog stories that you could point to yeah which would you know it would only be a benefit to you know have that be more of a narrative versus how oppressed and unfair this or that is because there there is oppression and there's unfairness but it's everywhere but I think each individual person can choose they see that I think if we start shifting it towards just showing the evidence of like that mindset change and that that simple change that it's simple but not necessarily easy um that's a way to do it and I think you know hopefully there's a shift because it the reward systems that come with it through like we're saying social media it's [ __ ] powerful like sucks but if if something in that could could start shifting towards you know less of a victim mindset I think that would help because so many people are spending so much time on their devices yeah absolutely I mean you think about the algorithm that's that's what it feeds people yeah you know and it seems like there's uh an intention behind it by someone yeah that we don't know exactly who is you know creating this call ideology of victimhood but um you know I think that I am starting to see you know cuz the pendulum swings you know yeah back and forth pretty far it was it was pretty far Looney I'm going to call it Looney left you know the last four years but I think people are getting fed up with it yeah and I I actually like the I think the algorithm just gives you what you want because attention is what they're looking for now I think people decide that they want something like this let's say negative content because how could you not if you listen to the news every single thing is negative if you listen to schools everything is negative everything's you know people are divided for all these different reasons instead of saying like you know we are all sort of in this together you know what I mean and like it's just so most people that I know and again it's not that racism doesn't exist but most people are just like yeah okay we're all just like we all have issues let's figure it out yeah instead of like there's all these categories that are dividing everybody now but the people and the the the structure that are doing it are saying like this is this is for we're trying to do this for good so that we can point out this and that but it's all negative and then the news is all negative so when you get onto a social media algorithm you're hooked on these things yeah and then you get more of it like my algorithm just shows me [ __ ] country music so like it's it's just so that I'll stay on the device and these companies whatever make money and stuff like that um but I think it's people are being told all this stuff and then their algorithm just gives you what you want like it's almost that be careful what you ask for we're doing it now with like our military for example in Canada is gone insane and now they're getting the military they asked for everybody's leaving there's all kinds of crazy like diversity training things within Special Operations and we're just like why we're here to fight terrorist where did cuz it seems like Canada um I mean I felt bad for Canada over co uh well I felt bad for real like I don't know what you call it real men and people with families that were were you because it seemed like at least the uh what my algorithm and the news that I would read showed me is in general uh the Canadians laid down and just took it and had a had this dictator in Justin Trudeau who he's like a dictator I he he wants to be a dictator that's for sure um but and and it seemed like and I was talking to uh one of my friends from Canada and she was completely oblivious to it as well like she didn't even know what was going on in the s that oh no this is all good and this is just really oh yeah completely like out there um and she she's in America now uh TV exec but you know she was completely oblivious to those things going on and so that was my my one point from Canada uh one contact from Canada that I was yeah you hearing from like you don't know what's going on but I felt bad for people like you uh that had to take it um because if you didn't you got retribution which you experienced will to what was that what was your experience of it it was crazy like when it uh all started you know it was just this thing it was coming from the news which already I kind of I'm like yeah do I trust whatever it's like it seems like it's only lies but I'm like all right there's a virus thing let's see what's happening and uh it was just for me at our unit is where the my eyebrow really started to raise we're in a small Special Operations unit disconnected from everyone else in the calf like the Canadian Forces essentially I didn't think that the stuff that was going on politically was going to make it into our unit um and so for me they're just like oh there's this thing I'm like looking at the stuff and I'm like okay I'm in the demographic that really doesn't need to give a [ __ ] about this like the odds of me dying from this are essentially zero it's more dangerous for me to drive to work in my car I'm like no problem let's keep on training and doing our thing and then there was talk about like oh it's going to be like you're just going to be mandated that you have to take this thing I'm like well that's weird why like you know and I go talk to the docs I'm like what's up and they just like no real information they're not giving me any medical advice and then when it was starting There Was You Know Whispers of it going to be completely mandated or you lose your job I went to talk the doctor again and they're just like they couldn't give me Medical advice I'm like how does it interact with like someone like me who's had a bunch of concussions or like if you have this or that in your history just like no it's all safe and effective I'm like that's how for every so this one thing is good for every single person on the planet can you tell me one drug like not even aspirin not even ibuprofen is safe for everyone not even [ __ ] peanut butter like and they just couldn't give medical advice and I just I was like well that's weird and then they're going to force me to do it without being able to give me any medical advice on this like from the doctor I just thought it was strange and they're like well what's the big deal you've had vaccines before but I'm like yeah but I don't just take them randomly and I've learned over the years like I don't take the flu shot because I'm not afraid of getting the flu now if you want to take it go ahead if you want to take the whole spectrum of fer drugs like goe antix go ahead no I'm just like this one I'm looking it seems like I'm not at RIS and I I already had Co and I'm like just from everything I know is just you know Common Sense stuff I feel like this isn't for me and uh then we all got ordered to go to the appointment to take this this shot and I went in I was like okay I'll go to the appointment I just tell him no thank you and I left and I'd never seen a response like that like they my chain of command my sergeant major was like telling my troop warrant essentially that he wanted me kicked out of the troop by the end of the week your sergeant major was yeah for turning down this shot and I was like did you know the sergeant maj yeah yeah he's an [ __ ] okay but your relationship with him before it you were like fine it was totally fine it was like I never seen a response like that I couldn't believe it I thought it was just the most cowardly thing I'd ever seen and I was being threatened to be kicked out of this troop um by the end of the week for turning it down and I was like I I've never seen a response like that in this unit now you can imagine Special Operations unit full of a bunch of crazy dudes of tough dudes some [ __ ] happens over the years I've never seen a response like that I I've said this before like I could have drove my truck drunk through the front gate smashed it and they would have been like oh are you all right like do you need a little bit of time off what's going on let's get this but I like declined this thing and it wasn't even like indefinite cuz we were still learning everything I was like well I don't know maybe I would take it at some point but just the response was another thing I'm like that is really weird yeah um and it was just like all these red flags about it and then I think I got Co like a second time and I was like no that wasn't so bad I lost like taste and smell I felt like [ __ ] a little bit and then I was good yeah and I'm like okay there's more going on here and so to go back to the thing in Canada they were pressing hard like Trudeau was like insult it was this big attack on unvaccinated people and how dirty and racist you were and all this [ __ ] that came in the news and just like and I guess I didn't see the so we I mean me and like my circle and my family we didn't bow down to any of it so you know there were lots of people that are just like well I don't know my doctor told me to take it I'll take it don't really care and then there was the really politicized side of it just like you are dirty don't come here you know and everywhere you had to wear a mask um everywhere they were checking for VX passes if you wanted to go to a restaurant you wanted to go anywhere um it was just so crazy but because my circle was all kind of the same we're just like this is really weird and I'm not going to be forced into doing any of this yeah it was like a couple years of a lot of Confrontation yeah so and I want to get into the the what what happened with you with that but you know going back to the whole country I mean it was you know you mentioned to go into a restaurant you had to show your vaccine card yeah I mean it was it was like that in certain cities in the United States but it wasn't widespread by any means and and what I saw from the US was you know Canada it it was way worse yeah than what we dealt with it was very like it was what we were dealing with in the United States but on steroids like if you don't do this you're just a second class citizen definely um uh very very and when you see Trudeau speak I mean this guy like it's kind of like watching Gavin Nome speak you know they're full of [ __ ] like dude I you're just full of [ __ ] and if you know I think there's certain type of people that can recognize [ __ ] in a guy like that it's obvious he's he's like uh sweating [ __ ] yeah you know it's a good way to sweating [ __ ] so um you know what was you know you had your insulated group but what was that like watching it happen to your country especially as someone who is willing to risk his life every day to defend his country yeah it was it was just strange it was such a strange experiment like I seeing people's reactions um and then you know the I just tried to take it all with you know as much common sense as I could and go about the day like this just doesn't make sense to me so I'm not going to do it and I'm like I'm just for like sort I'm Just For Freedom here like sure especially in what I'm going to inject like it should really be up to me and seeing the you know different close friends just completely turn or just like things like this turn it's so weird it was just I was like almost I was mesmerized by like how humans could fall into this and like the whole trap of the news into your house and into your brain and then into your actions out in society people were telling on their neighbors and like police were going to like if you had more than five people at a Christmas event or whatever police were at your door and like it it was just Madness now it was a little different in different parts of the country I live in in uh Ontario which it was terrible there Alberta where I'm from was a little bit better they still had uh the passes and stuff most plac it was just a lot more lenient um but it was just I found it to be a crazy social experiment is what it seemed like and to see how so many people fell for it and then I mean the the good thing that happened was we had a a big truck Convoy that came to Ottawa and they're like no more of this uh and it yeah what was that like because it that's when I mean a certain amount of uh Canadians got completely fed up with it and that was obviously a big story in the United States uh a bunch of people bunch of truckers and people stick standing up for their rights shutting down a city basically and saying you can't make us do that but the response from the Canadian government showed the true yeah you know di dictatorship yeah uh that Justin Trudeau wants for Canada yeah yeah it was it was really good I think what it did is it was all of the pockets of people that were standing the ground just organized a little bit better and they came to Ottawa and it was amazing I loved it man I was like did you go down there oh yeah all the time um and there weren't you guys weren't terrorists or no there was things what all did they call you well this was this was what was really cool to see is that I was on the street watching it and this was the the largest collection of people I'd ever seen to include concerts and anything with the most like friendly Vibe it was just hard to describe like people were not fighting there wasn't craziness it was just everyone on this one thing saying we just want to be able to choose that's it and it was just so friendly and now the cool thing to see I mean I'm probably using cool in the wrong context there but I was looking at what was happening on the ground I'm all on the street and i' said this before like I was trained as a sniper in Canada at the highest level which means I am one of the highest trained people to observe [ __ ] in Canada and I've trained in surveillance and all of this stuff I was on the street look looking for things that they were talking about on the news and there was none yeah so I'm like here's the picture of what's happening and then you turn on your TV and here's what they're telling the country so I'm getting messages from friends like in Alberta and it's like oh my God what's happening over there like are these truckers Burning Down the city and there's all these Naz and like and and talk about that though what was the news saying what are all the things they called people like you for for protesting yeah so there was the there was a bunch of changing narratives with Justin Trudeau and him talking about it and there was you know he's like it's just a small group this Fringe minority um most of them are oh what was he saying racist or misogynist in in some way um there was just all this stuff where he's pointing so much hate towards a group of people that are really on a dayto b like something would happen in the news like you're still downtown in a city right so there's homeless people there's [ __ ] around and like someone would vandalize something and all the people would like clean up that area or like oh someone was rude to a homeless person they saw on the news and they're doing an interview then everyone sets up food stands and they're giving out food to and they're just countering everything but the news isn't covering it so they're like oh someone saw like a Nazi flag somewhere I remember that one and so we're down there like where's this like no one's seen this and it was just one quick place with one quick picture that went into the news and then it goes viral build this story that they're selling the rest of the country but being down there every day like it was the friendliest collection of people I have ever seen in that amount of numbers like thousands and thousands of people what percentage of Canadians do you think believed uh the Trudeau propaganda uh I think at first because of the way it was the way it was laid out in steps where it was like all of this fear first about a virus and then their science and then this and it was like a slow aggression of hate towards the unvaccinated people yeah um so I think it was a large percentage at first cuz a lot of people got like let's say the first shot the first vaccine um and then it just started dying down because it even just to people that are just regular Canadians tuning in you could hear the [ __ ] and the desperation almost in in Justin Trudeau's speech and it's just like this desperate and to watch it is disgusting and I think people were just picking up on that um you know and then just lying like oh I never said that and then you play the exact clip of what he said and just like like this is not a deep fake video or something you said that cuz I watched it um and people just got tired of his [ __ ] I think and so it it started to die down um and it was a good show of their cards I think the way the trucker Convoy got broken up was like using this emergency act that people are like this is just a protest man and like all they kept lanes open for emergency vehicles all the stuff like and the first half of it the cops were there watching high-fiving everyone they're in the thing and then a different group of cops comes at the end and just busts it all up and arrest people and like trampled old ladies with horses like it was wild to see that that's the level they would go to if it's like it's not going their way you know right I mean it's it's like uh it's weird to because you know if you take a step back and look at it from 10,000 ft it's actually clear what's what's going on oh yeah I mean we know that Trudeau isn't being honest we know in America that fouchy isn't being honest we know that the narrative is pushing an agenda we might not know exactly what the agenda is or why they want everyone to get this vaccine but we do know uh that there's there's an agenda and they're not telling us the truth and once you see it lot of lying it's like way second like you know you can call out their [ __ ] it's like this isn't true you said this you I mean the first narrative in America to come out from the CDC and fouchy was if you get the vaccine you can't get Co I remember that then it was if you get the vaccine you can't spread covid then it was if you get the vaccine you're not going to die of Co and you know then all of those turned out to not be true now do I believe that people that got the vaccine uh have a lower chance of dying within a few months of the vaccine yes I think it actually probably does that uh but the idea that we need Mass vaccinations or the idea that when I knew I'll tell you how I knew so in April of 2021 uh that's when they were pushing that out that idea that if you got covid or if you if you got the vaccine you couldn't get covid and that you couldn't spread it yeah right well uh we have a scientist we work with who um had a wedding all VX wedding I didn't go uh but I understood I respect her position too though no no shade at all I I get it um and a lot of the wedding got covid yeah and so she sequenced it uh with Next Generation sequencing and saw that it was the the Delta variation and so we knew then that was in April of 2021 that you could spread but not only could you get it you could spread it um wow if you got Co now that didn't come out until around August so you know I got April May June July I got four months of complete knowing they were literally yeah lying to the American people they were telling them one thing and I knew the facts were another and you know when you see it like that and you know that they're lying to people and you see how nasty they get at people that don't buy their lie that's what bothers me it's like like if you want to lie to the public I mean I don't agree with it but don't attack the people that aren't publicly agreeing or believing you're lie yeah and trudo he was on a whole other level with that he was gaslighting and and then attacking yeah yeah it was it was crazy to see and I think it's almost like there's this sentiment now because the lies are they're out there like you know if you're looking at at all anywhere you know and I think most people just know but it's almost like well let's forget about all of that let's just let's forget about how we acted in the last wor oh well we there was a lot of pressure at the time like wait a second it it wasn't just that because we were fighting against you then and it wasn't just a lot of pressure you were attacking me over the all the pressure you were saying that I was the one lying that I was the one spreading misinformation you were calling me a liar when I knew you were a li and like it made people I I now I've spoken to so many people having Gone Like Music touring for music meeting all kinds of people that were just like felt they were crazy they were being told by their family and by the government and by everyone that you're just like that intuition you have to maybe be a little cautious about whether it's for you or not is wrong you're crazy you're like this dirty super spreader it's like the people that held on or even even the people that like tried and tried and just like collapsed I feel so terrible for them you know if you didn't have a network around you or you just you didn't know what to do and I've met so many people like that um it was it was insane the pressure was crazy for a while it was wild I mean my business partner uh Scotty Nelson uh his mom passed away and uh at first they were saying he couldn't come to the funeral because he wasn't vaccinated yeah I mean that idea and he went anyway of course but um I mean that idea that he's got a close family and I I I love his dad don't get me wrong but like it was uh it's wild to think that people can get be programmed so much to you know suggest you can't do something like that that happened across the board industry oh workplace I mean they wouldn't let at the very beginning people have funerals for their loved ones yeah I mean in what Society I is that there's keeping us safe yeah yeah that's how far people want to know why we're upset still why we won't let let it go it's because you didn't let me sit next to my buddy when he was dying yeah uh sit next to my family member or friend we couldn't go to their their funerals we couldn't um be with our loved ones you know and then they scared those around like many people around us so much that they turned against us as the evil ones when we knew that they were being lied to and brainwashed into thinking that we're yeah the evil ones and it's sad there's just there's so many stories like that I I've heard all across Canada so many and like you think about you know the the ongoing effects of it like people really you know depression and suicide like all this stuff just from being locked all by yourself for some people who didn't have anyone or whatever and you can't leave your house and you can't do this like that was a real serious thing in Canada yeah it was it was a serious thing here I mean you know under the age of 40 I believe there's been less than 30,000 people in the United States that have died of covid I mean you're at 300,000 that have died of drug overdoses within that range yeah um I mean the the idea that you can lock healthy people seemingly healthy people yeah in their house and say don't go outside don't get sunlight stay away from degrade their health like no gym no sunlight just all kinds of like uh what's that hand squirt sanitizer just sanitize everything get your immune system completely defenseless it's just crazy yeah and the and the basic things you know interestingly uh you know I was very familiar with the MRNA technology and uh we had wanted to do an mRNA vaccine uh for cancer Aus taking a patient's tumor sequencing it uh um it's a specific neoantigen vaccine and whenever they were rolling out the MRNA for covid I'm like no way because it wasn't ready for prime time yeah if someone has metastatic cancer or uh you know that vaccine is much safer than chemotherapy yeah you know so that that makes sense why yeah you would take something like that but rolling something out that has never been in large scale uh humans and suggesting that you know uh what the result is going to be long term is crazy yeah is just not true yeah and if you think about like how the mr& works I mean are you kind of familiar with a little bit Yeah like not at a scientific level I'm not yeah dealing with it every day but think about this you have a the MRNA wrapped in a lipid nanop particle so that's the delivery mechanism nanop particle the MRNA has a code in it so when it hits the ribosome uh that decodes it and produces the spike protein in the body so you have basically a coated synthetic Spike Protein that's being released throughout the body now you're going to get some that don't stop releasing you're to get it we don't know how many people have side effects like that where they constantly present that uh labade uh Spike protein and the craziness of society if for thinking no it's fine my doctor medical doctors don't know about mRNA nobody in general did until just they've heard of it like four years ago during Co so the doctors don't know what the hell they're talking about they're repeating what they've been taught they don't really understand it well in this why you couldn't get medical advice or I couldn't get medical advice from the doctor like how does it interact with this how about this does it do this how is it for fertility if you're trying to have kids what are the side effects of this well ended up in the testicles a lot of that lipano particle ended up in the testicles ended up in breast M they said that didn't happen was ending up in breast milk yeah uh saying it doesn't affect pregnancy how the hell do they know yeah how how could you vaccinate pregnant women with a truly experimental vaccine and in good faith say nothing to worry about here I mean at least be honest with them we don't know yeah that was the truthful statement and then if people want to take it I'm not knocking them I me there there was a lot of fear with Co I get it but let people have a choice and stop acting like you've got it figured out because you don't know [ __ ] yeah yeah that was disgusting we had the RSM at the time just as this was all starting was like bragging about having pressured this lady who was pregnant into getting the vaccine like while she was like trying to resist it and like his pressure from his position made her take it and he was very happy about this just like the most disgusting thing I'd ever heard yeah no it's it's it's pretty disgusting and I think that we shouldn't let this go for those that stood up against it because you know the powers at be are expecting us to just get over it and what they did was one of the most wrong things I've seen in my entire lifetime yeah uh they lied to people to get them to take an experimental vaccine and they could have gone with an old school antigen vaccine with a uh with an adant they could have done that they chose a new delivery mechanism that's I mean I this is where I'm torn I like Mr technology I like it I think it's pretty good I think it has a lot of potential yeah uh it's definitely not ready for the world to take every single person in the world 100% of the people take it and like give me break for cancer it's one thing Aus where you they're already uh facing the potential of of death but for the mass population it's insane yeah and they sold the hell out of it they caused division in Canada division in the United States division in the entire world they were pushing an agenda the entire time that was based on complete lies yeah I mean they lied and said it didn't come from a a lab we all know now it came from lab in Wuhan in America I don't know if it was like this in Canada if we were to say that it came from the lab in Wuhan we were racist for that yeah I remember that was that like yeah it was happening in Canada my gosh like and you know it's [ __ ] you're like no I'm just saying it came from a lab in China That's not racist the list is long like the lies that piled up it's just to look back at it is so crazy and I think you're right I don't think we should just forget about it I think it needs to be learned from you know and I actually think a lot of people even that bought into it at the tail end of it all were like oh [ __ ] like I was fooled you know which I as long as it can be recognized I think that's good moving forward with that information maybe don't trust your government as much next time yeah me Canadians could learn one lesson it's like don't trust your government I know you haven't had a violent overthrow over there but I mean you know don't vote for Trudeau I mean you well what is up with that is he um how does your system work to pick the Prime Minister uh well it's like a it's not a communist system as it appears to be it's just it's voted on the party cand four years six years four years I think this it seems like it's been a lifetime of Trudeau right now I don't at one point I almost just stopped following and I I actually don't like almost any politician very much it just seems like the Liars get there you know and it's like it's just such a a in my opinion it's such a broken system that we have anyway um you know it's just a person that makes all these decisions without the people's best interest in mind and we've lost sight of the fact that like the government is supposed to be for us for the people every single thing they do is supposed to be for the people like and it's just all these secretive things and money going places like they'll just send billions to [ __ ] you're like do you know how many Canadians worked how many hours so that that however many however many billions of dollars that's was spent on some dog [ __ ] is just wasted that's people working every single day and you're just like ah here's what we're going to right and it's you know there's corruption and stuff everywhere but like it's you know a lot of times to lie in their own pockets in another way down the road and or just push an agenda of their own and like it's do some virtue signaling thing yeah it's virtuous like let's protect the pregnant men it's yeah like oh my God and it's like just hardworking normal people are giving all their money to that and we don't even have a say really in the spectrum of like what's offered politically on where any of it goes anymore we've lost sight of it the government's just for itself and using the people versus being for the people of the country and it's it's it's like infuriating and you know I just I almost always just vote for Less taxes now just leave me the well yeah what are the taxes in Canada they're pretty high right they're pretty high and they're they're different Province to Province too um but they just they tax on top of everything and just like you're were to track a dollar you're tax is like probably 80 to 100% like if you just take a looney just like here's the federal tax portion here's the provincial tax portion here's the taxes you pay on the property you already own here's the taxes pay on every single thing you purchase here's the taxes you pay now on carbon here's the taxes on this like everything is taxed it's insane yeah and it's just slow enough that people are like ah [ __ ] and they're getting squeezed prices are high and people it's like a lot of people are having a really hard time but it's just like well what do we do you know maybe we'll vote for this other party next time and they'll lower the taxes a bit but it's it's I don't think it's enough with I don't know I don't know what kind of reset we need but we [ __ ] need one well they called it during Co the great reset yeah that was the world economic Forum WF uh the Charles was it schw Schwab uh he wrote a book called uh covid-19 the great reset I read the book a couple times audio bed it yeah it's just like they're telling us what their plan is they're saying how they plan to take over the world yeah CL Schwab that's CL Schwab yeah now yeah Charles Charles Schwab is a as a banker I actually I understand why it's enticing to people like reading that book you know if if you can have a centrally backed digital currency well that sounds pretty convenient yeah if you could have like you know all of the systems that they want to have in place where your life is just so convenient because of technology and you know this one world passport let's say or all the same let's just travel yeah okay I can I can get all that only if it's built on a system that's not corrupt which is not the case at all so it's it's dangerous all those things I despise because you can't trust the people putting them into place and the perfect example was if you don't go with the narrative the government of Canada will enact the emergencies act on its citizens and start [ __ ] trampling and arresting people so you're like yeah it's all great as long as you're following precisely what they want in your social credit system but like if you don't agree with something then you are [ __ ] right which is why that whole great reset thing like that's why people are resisting it yeah because the way you sell it sure oh that sounds so lovely sounds great only if it's not based on a corrupt system like if you had a community of people you trusted and just everywhere you went you're like beep beep beep digital currency and like they're not tracking anything they're not using it to tax and track every single one of your um transactions sounds convenient yeah I don't have to car wallet your cash hell yeah but it's it's on top of a level of corruption that like you can't implement it because we would just be [ __ ] ourselves so terribly well it gets me how much people actually trust the government yeah I mean it's like it sounds great if you completely trust the government yeah like oh the government would never do anything bad to me they would never lie to me yeah they would never kill me you know I mean you think about democide you know government killing their citizens I mean we're that's like the leading cause of death in the last 100 years what yeah it I mean like as far as uh uh uh heart attacks but I'm saying like as far as like killings like Wars no it's governments killing their own citizens wow yeah I mean think about China ma what 30 to 50 million people you think about Hitler Stalin melini yeah I guess they you know they they've all done it and um we have to be uh weary I mean that's what the the US Constitution is based on that they're like the government's always become too powerful yeah and our job is to protect people from the government that's why in the US we have our Second Amendment yeah people are so strong with it like no I'm not giving up my guns because it's my job to rise up against a tyrannical government yeah um so we have always like you know especially growing up in the South we've always had a healthy skepticism towards uh the government and I was talking to my buddy who's pretty pretty left and um you know he he sees things differently but when I explained that to him he's like really I didn't you know I didn't think that you know there were almost paraphrasing I didn't think there were people like that thought like you like yeah I don't trust the government for anything man and but he had a very kind well- intended yeah trust yeah it's the government they're just here to look out for us I just I can't even think of anything that they do better than like if someone just did it privately like I I really almost every aspect of the government and I worked for the government forever so I was in the military war I feel like there you know military it would be hard to do privately I still think we would do it better like it's just there's so much waste like I was in in the military for 16 and a half years and it's just like wasted money wasted time wasted resources all this bureaucracy layers of people that don't need to be there inefficiencies [ __ ] everywhere it's I actually think we would have a better Fighting Force if it was done privately interesting you think about the money that that we'd save I mean the US got about $800 billion a year budget somewhere around there and then there's money that goes to the Pentagon that they can't find every time they've done an audit it's failed miserably trillions of dollars just gone uh so yeah if it was owned by a private company they would be uh have a fiduciary duty for profits and to run it effectively so I could see that I think in principle I I get it I just question you know how it would actually run yeah well there's a lot of things that would need to be explored but like it's just I'm not convinced really in any way like I think there's a strong argument for almost any that is run by the government that it could just be done better right Community Based or private based somehow just because of the the layers and layers of inefficiency and waste right the bureaucracy I mean in the US we have I mean I guess we have Obamacare but it's a a a private Health Care System generally and the issues though it's not really private because the hospital groups have their lobbyists and they make laws that uh really kind of I'm going to use the word oppress but oppress the public in getting good good healthare and um you know having it be efficient yeah I mean we operate in Mexico um and what we're able to do it just it's so efficient man I mean all the bullshit's aside we're able to uh you know get the licensing that we need to get [ __ ] done yeah and uh we have a lot of people come from Canada uh to see us they're they're waiting months for certain uh you know surgeries or this or that oh yeah we I've chatted with a few people down here about you know they're like oh you have free healthcare though it must be so good and I'm was like I'd rather just pay for what I needed uh the system that we have and how long it takes to get anything and how backed up everything is and just like we don't get good service and we're paying for it anyway we talk about that yeah so what is um what is the healthcare like CU I hear one side say oh they have great health care in Canada but the fact is that you have to wait sometimes uh basically uh before it's it's too late yeah well there's people that die because they're waiting too long um it's just it's you know the world knows it as Canada has free healthcare for everyone but like we're still paying for it just comes out of our taxes we're just taxed more um and I don't know I think I think it almost offers less incentive for people to take their health into their own hands which I also don't like like I don't go to the doctor I don't know like I just it's not a part of my life you know and I'm still paying for it in in my taxes and the people that do go um it's like it's crazy long lineups and waiting lists to see Specialists for things and um you know living there I would rather just pay when I needed it for what I needed sort of thing and I know you guys have your issues with you know the price of certain whatever procedures and stuff but I just think there's probably a middle ground at least um Middle Ground is my Hospital yeah I mean it's that's where I can get you a surgery any surgery you need pretty much um we can do it at a reasonable price and I could probably get it set up within two or 3 days for you yeah holy [ __ ] you know so uh you know now we're small in in comparison to the entire system you know but uh it can be run really you know effectively and safely and uh high quality at an affordable price yeah so you ever need you know if you ever need Healthcare all right uh just come in Mexico in Mexico um but so let's go back to you being in the military and let's let's let's go back even further we were talking about a lot of the political issues that are going on but before that uh you know as a sniper when was your first uh what was your first sniper mission that you did uh that was going to Iraq when the when I was helping the Kurds there on the line um and it was two of us deployed myself and my my brother-in-law who was the TL and uh what does TL stand for the team leader okay so he's like the team leader of two of us still the term we Ed but he was in charge of me um yeah and it was it was that long range you know very like old school type of fighting in defense line and no man's Landing we were just we were using our sniper guns to reach out and using uh air strikes to Target Isis um and then the next time I went back to Iraq the the fight has been pushed back into mosul so they were gaining ground that had been taken by ISIS and was pushing them back you know and their last kind of stronghold when I was there the next two times or three times uh they were in mosul like on one side of the river and so we were on we were on this side they were on that side sort of you know there's still some Pockets intermixed here and there and we'd be doing stuff in the cities to go find them but mostly it was that and just trying to flush them out of their last stronghold which was in mosul um and that's where we made that that sniper shot from was that I think that was my second deployment to Iraq okay yeah so what year was and for those that don't know um you were part of like the world record sniper longest sniper shot yeah uh what year was that uh that was 2017 2017 okay and what yeah so what happened with that you uh I mean I saw the video that was released um was released recently right yes I actually released the video of the shot on my newest music video oh nice Amigo uh which is what I wrote that song about uh so it's on there and YouTube has not taken it down yet somehow nice uh it's it's not censored it is the video of the longest shot um but yes we were there uh in this position and we were just there to support the Iraqis that were pushing kind of north to south and we were perpendicular to that fight a lot of it like we were talking about before with sniping was it was just us doing surveillance learning The Ground Learning the city if we could Target someone with an air strike or or sniper fire we would um but when the fight really pushed off is when the Iraqis were starting to compress and push them out of like uh the old city like the downtown of mosul MH um and I remember we were watching so we could see the Iraqis pushing we see Isis fighting so we're watching this fight in the streets um and we started sending sniper rounds to like Isis Fighters that were firing at uh the Iraqis that were pushing we'd send rounds and they didn't know where it was coming from so they'd take cover and then we'd call an air strike and blow them up um but one of the rounds actually before that long shot my buddy sent a around and it ricocheted on the ground hit a guy in a leg and this was probably like 3700 M so whatever 2.3 or four miles dang and we're like holy [ __ ] like that's a long hit you hit the guy he dropped and one of their little medic motorbikes picked him up and took him off to wherever um and the fight just kind of got a little bit closer and closer was perpendicular but was getting a little closer to us and that's where we made the the shot was at 3,540 M 2.2 miles um and we were kind of we're already shooting so it was dialed in and uh I was telling you this before but it was ended up being a simultaneous sniper shot so I I saw this guy was a spotter on this the gun over here my buddy Scott was shooting and then just over to our our right six eight ft was uh Josh was on a gun and Ben was spotting so it was a fourman sniper team uh and I saw this guy we tried actually call an air strike on this building and it was uh it was like a dud like it didn't blow up and it was the only one of the tour that I'd seen that did that but so they were like squirting out of the building so from a second story window this guy was lowering his like chest rig you can see him lowering his his AK and he was going to drop down from the window onto this ledge and so I got Scott on that I gave him a wind call in his elevation told me when he was on and uh sniper stock but he's like Stand By and I say send it and he sends the round and they were doing it our buddies beside us simultaneously so we didn't know but it was like and these two rounds get sent and one of them hit and so I call hit because I'm spotting I'm like hit he's like holy [ __ ] and then they call hit I'm like that was us and they're like that was us it was a team effort but absolutely it was I'm like okay but on to the next targets cuz there were still guys and we just kept it was like I think it ended up being about 5 days five or six days where was like early in the morning 4: or 5: a.m. like the first call to prayer kind of thing then they would start fighting it would end at like noon or 1 and then it would just be chill all evening the next day so for like a week we just had all these sniper engagements uh supporting the Iraqis push Isis and it got a little bit closer and a little bit closer um so the long shot that like broke the record was 2.2 miles 3,540 M and then it just got a little closer and closer so saying this before we didn't really keep track after that but I bet you we broke the previous record like four or five times as cuz it was you know 3K and then 2800 M and you know I'm speaking in kilometers but it just slightly got closer and these engagements kept happening for you know a week or so wow and how long I mean if you shoot something that's over two miles away uh how fast is the bullet traveling how long yeah the time of flight was uh just about 10 seconds like 9.9 seconds to get to the Target yeah so he could have moved out of the way oh yeah but you wouldn't even hear it from so far away but it really was like he actually leaned over to pick up his gun and the round went through him it was a 50 cal round but like almost where You' try and shoot a deer and he just buckled and fell down this little Hill but is it true like with a 50 cal if if a bullet goes close by it still does damage so yeah we actually right after that shot uh I moved Scot onto another Target on an Alleyway and there was four guys that were stacking up and we sent around and it hit right between their heads now spotting it was I thought he had like a double kill or something like they cuz they all dropped like the round hit and they all hit the ground I was like uh hit I what the [ __ ] and they're they kind of shook it off like they were Shell Shocked a bit and like stumbled away and I was like it just the round hit right beside their heads uh and we watched because we had it on video watched again and again I'm like that is crazy like this and there's like one two three four guys stacked up um wow but yeah they all hit the ground like it it almost looked like there was some type of concussion or concussive wave or something yeah I've heard that before that you know some people say oh you don't need to hit somebody with a fitt c like I don't know about that but uh I've never been on the receiving end thankfully yeah than thankfully thankfully um what was that like so that was 2017 you you had the world record were you like uh did you get any awards from it from your uh no well like the chain command gave us like a coin like a cansoft coin or something and I'm like all right nothing from Trudeau though uh no well they put out the story of that shot uh maybe a week later or something in the news so the general and the Prime Minister were like yeah this good news story let's put it out which was stupid because we still had guys in that position and we had been replaced by well my brother-in-law Chris and his team and we were going home and they were taking that position to continue the fight and that came out in the news because of that they got uh attacked and they had to pull off the target like while getting these bombs dropped on them yeah good job Trudeau yeah thanks a lot again um so well let's move past that a little bit now Co happens um you kind of alluded to earlier but they roll out the vaccine and you say hey I need to learn more about this the doctors say you know we don't know much about it but you should take it and you say no um how long did that go on for before they actually kicked you out and were there other people within the unit that were doing the same thing yeah there was there was a couple couple of dudes that stood their ground um I was as soon as that started happening I went to a different parallel Exit Plan and started a medical release process um so they were going to fire anyone that didn't take the shot it became like a mandate in the Canadian Forces so I was like well instead of that I want to get immediately released medically um being kicked out of the unit was actually uh for a masking that so we had cuz I didn't I didn't let it get to picking me out of the Canadian Forces for not taking this thing I was on like a quick exit route medical release plan but I was still in the unit um I could go to work there's all these limitations but anyway we had like the same charade with masking that I'm sure some people had here and it would be like you know we could be having a conversation no masks everything's fine we're just guys we're going to go to to the shooting range or do [ __ ] jiujitsu and then if a certain person in the chain of command was coming oh everyone's got to mask up and blah and I was like right from the start I'm like I am not playing this game like that's we can all agree that that's stupid and guys's like yeah it is stupid but they really think so they would put on a mask I'm like but then why are you doing it right and so I just I was like this is so dumb I'm just not doing it um and so I was going to a meeting uh with our Co and RSM and all these people about why they were turning so I had talk to a doctor I found a doctor that would talk to me wasn't on our camp uh and he was like yeah I actually don't think from my medical advice that you should take this based on your your medical history and blah blah blah and he gave me an exemption mhm they didn't recognize it when I put it in and so I was going to meeting for them to tell me all the reasons why these were being declined and the meeting was in an office and in an office you had to wear a mask and I was just like yeah I'm not doing that and they're like well you have to and we had this conversation and I just asked are are Sam at the time like does everybody have masks on like absolutely I was like then you're all safe if they if they work right and if they don't then why are you telling me to put one on and it got a little heated and he uh he kicked me out and when what was his answer to that he didn't have one yeah he's like uh then he used my and I I was like on a first name basis with this guy but then he used like my rank you know master corpal I ended up getting kicked out of this I didn't have the meeting I kicked out of like the the office building I was in and then on my way out I called him outside which he did not take part in and then I was C him outside to fight him yeah that and it was the last day my pass ever worked that was the day I was kicked out of the unit I went to go back that like cuz all my gear was there I had a stall like we had stalls with gear and personal stuff like been there for 13 12 years 13 years yeah so like [ __ ] was there and they're just like no you can't come back on Camp MH and so like through a chain of command and text message they're trying to turn in gear and stuff's missing and I'm like I don't know you guys deal with it give me my [ __ ] back and that was the day I was kicked out of jtf2 in D Hill wow so I ended upking medically releasing uh before it could get to what they were calling a 5f release I think which is like you're not following an order for this vaccine so they and they expediated all like the normal uh ways of like so getting kicked out of the military there's like timelines right you're like 30 days if you don't fall over there's recourse and all this stuff but they like compressed all of that for this to kick people out faster yeah um but yeah that was just when I got kicked off for a mask wow like you look back it's just hilarious you yeah now it's like it it's very very well known that mass didn't do [ __ ] even Fouch is like Yeah well yeah yeah they had people wearing those cloth masks for a while that that came out complete [ __ ] I me at least with the n95 you could say well if change every four hours yeah and then who did you just like you take a dirty cloth thing out of your like cup holder in your and people like oh that looks disgusting oh yeah got your freaking bacteria just growing all over it basically a petri dish you know that have been funa T to uh yeah to to see what's actually in inside the mass but um yeah it's just just [ __ ] um so that got you out of that unit but what happened later um that were you kicked out did so that was me kicked out of the unit kicked out of like dwire Hill Training Center MH uh never to return again and then uh I was like Full Speed Ahead on a medical release process so I ended up medically releasing from the military not getting fired from the Canadian Forces Ah that's good yeah it was great for me I it upset some people yeah I mean this the guy that you knew for 12 years that was you know that you asked to go outside have you talked to him since no no no there's it's funny the the co so I went and did a podcast with Shawn Ryan after this all happened and actually leading up to it I consulted with probably 15 or 20 guys from the unit um including the currencio and I was like okay here's the podcast I'm going to go on he's got a big audience here's what we're going to talk about here's what I think you know I'm going to leave out some stuff because sensitive missions and stuff there's some stuff that would be obsti there's some stuff that's not ours to tell um I'm like here's I'm going to leave out is there anything I'm missing you know what I mean like so I don't want to actually have an operational security breach like like for real so I consulted with a bunch of people I'm like okay the caution was if you tell the covid story there will probably be a repercussion and I was like well I'm not asking your opinion on that because too [ __ ] bad kind of thing I'm like I'm telling that um and I think that's why there was such a big backlash I did this podcast they sent like a cease and assist to Sean Ryan the co called an emergency who sent the cease and assist to a lawyer from can softcom so our Special Operations Command okay um and the CE called in all of like the assaulters like all the the Special Operations guys and gave them an order forbidding them to talk to me or have contact with me um that was pretty funny cuz like I still got obviously friends and you know i' get like a random call like hey man what's up I'm like why are you calling me oh we just got given an order today not to talk to you so I thought I'd call and say hi or whatever like that's pretty cool um but yeah so like there's a bunch of people I've never seen again or like avoid you you sered with these guys for for so long I mean what I mean what do you think caused I mean the ones that were cool and just dealing with it but like a guy like that what caused him to get so soft I obeying orders I don't know it's like it's the I think there's there's a couple different types of soldiers that I've seen um and I would arguably not be a good one cuz in terms of just following orders like that was never my strong suit you know like I love deploying and the the job of going to kill bad guys that was for me the nonsense behind a lot of the military stuff was not for me and and a lot of people that are just you know good soldiers it's easy to say like follow my orders Soldier I'll go do my job and I think that is a big part of it um there was the brainwashing stuff that happened to everyone and some of that trickled in um people that really really believed in masks and really believed in the shot and all the boosters and really believed like no matter the lies that piled up around it it's just you know the people that stick to that yeah um so it was kind of a mix of everything I thought uh it's it's disappointing in the sense that like that's supposed to be our tier one unit mhm like that's not good if people are telling me they don't support something but they're going along with it like where does that leave you in terms of like how you wrestle with your morals or like are you the right person to be doing this job then like if you don't believe this but you're going along with it why yeah because the chain of command says so like is that the right thing I don't know and like some soldiers will say well yeah you got to follow orders and I'm like no [ __ ] that like yeah and well when do you when is when do you say no yeah you know you have to stand for something and if yeah ultimately it's completely against what you stand for and all it was was freedom is I was saying I'm just like I just I do believe in Freedom everybody I do believe in it so that's what I'm just trying to say like we should in this particular case in my opinion trying to be as open-minded as possible we should just be able to be free to make this decision on what is injected into our body on your own I mean that's it you know I didn't mind of course anybody getting it and I I respect their their decision totally uh what I didn't like is you know the mini Trudeau that came out of it you know it's like uh Trudeau they're Heroes they want to act just like oh and uh so they want to be the little dictator and chief saying you got to put your mask on you got to do this you know I felt like in many ways it was like Revenge of the Nerds because we got a bunch of nerds coming at us well and I look too that's funny you say I look at the demographic of like people just observing you know the people that are like in my group or that are the type of people that we're turning down and I'm like yeah I'd rather be over here I think for the most part people that are like looking out for their health and looking at stuff and it's like especially at first there was no like oh this is a big political conspiracy I'm just like assessing my own health we buy organic food and drink good water like we do all these things take a bunch of supplement I try to take care of myself not to just be injected with some random [ __ ] and I'm like okay is this better for my health I think no let me talk to a doctor can't get any advice it's just was so weird I'm just there was no heat behind it you know there was no like right-wing leftwing medical Corporation there's just I don't think this is what I need for my health yeah I made this decision and then you're just like you're a criminal that's exactly what they did um and then you know you you were talking about um the Shawn Ryan Show and The blowback I mean that was actually a really big deal that was a a big story uh they sent you and Shawn a letter uh they didn't send me a letter no they sent it to Shawn Ryan uh he sent me a copy of it or like showed me a copy of it um the and what did they threaten on in that letter it was the letter said that you know he had to take down this episode because there was an operational security breach according to whatever the Canadian I can't remember if it was like the Special Operations Command or whatever but there was it actually said in there something about his majesty the king or something because of like our chain of command structure in Canada we're still under like the the royalty rule or whatever it's more of like a a symbol thing but anyway it's funny to read in a letter like yeah exactly it's funny to read in a letter that like under his Majesty's the king's orders blah blah blah uh so I had a good laugh about it but yeah uh it just said that there was an operational security breach within the information and he was like okay let's go back and forth and tell me what it is and they couldn't find anything because everything was already open sourced everything was like the stuff I had posted stuff I had talked to people about it stuff that kof puts in recruiting videos it's all of like it was just [ __ ] because they didn't want the co story out with it yeah um but yeah it was a funny funny interesting time uh I was I I keep getting information from you know the unit and people and places and stuff but it's just like there's another investigation they're doing another one on you to see if this or that or like someone might come talk to you and it's he just weak soft people man it's like just get over it I'm like I mean it's not like like if if someone's looking at this objectively you're not a bad dude you fought for the country you didn't want to get a damn vaccine you had some jerk telling you to wear a mask yeah like yeah I mean but there's way worse things out there yeah like spend your time on better [ __ ] guys like come on man go do some counterterrorism stuff yeah I'm sure they're you know they're Patriots too you know they're you they're they're risking their life for their country you know ego's a hell of a thing yeah and you know ultimately um you know your actions and standing up for your beliefs uh it busted a lot of egos you know one they didn't own you yeah so they didn't have complete power over you that internally upset them to there's a jealousy component because they wish they would have the courage in that way that you have as well I mean a lot of the guys you know this isn't knocking the guys that stayed in that didn't really want to but we they had their reasons for doing it I totally get that too that's life we make decisions sometimes we you know maybe we don't stand up but maybe internally they're upset about it like I wish I would have done what Dallas did Fair that's a human thing but the ones that keep attacking and you know it's just just a low vibration man yeah yeah I agree with that totally low vibration I mean you got a you risked you know pretty much everything for It ultimately you're like I'm willing to risk my career you know yeah well I think it it came back to what we talked about way earlier just like I'll be all right you know I'll be all right yeah came from not fancy things I can go back to not fancy things for a while you know if it all came down it's like you're not getting paid anymore you're not going to find your own way I'll figure it out yeah I mean you have a good good family too right you've been uh married you have uh two I have four four kids two teenage boys um and two young ones okay busy how how is how is that raising them uh how was it raising them in the middle of all all of that too uh I thought it was I thought it was good like so for my boys being uh older I was happy that I stood up for what I believe and what I told them I believe and they saw it now they saw that there's repercussions if you do that which also good to see um I thought I thought it was I think it was a good lesson you know and they they took their own stances in places and I'm like you also like I'm open to discuss like if this is you know I didn't want them to get it cuz didn't [ __ ] need it but also like let's talk about what you're hearing what is like what thinking what are you what are you hearing at school what are your teachers telling you what is your opinion on it and it doesn't have to be my opinion um so I think for them I think it was it was a good thing to see as crazy as it was um and then for the young ones they're not going to remember like my daughter's three my son's N9 months old um but for them we just got to spend a lot of time together and like it really I didn't find it we didn't follow the rules anyway yeah so was like you're lock down I'm like no I'm not it's like says who yeah go to hell so we would just have the park all to ourself or whatever you know like it was just we got to spend a lot of time with with the kids so looking back there's it's more pluses in my person like in my life than negatives from this thing like the fact that I lost that job great it became a place I don't want to work anyway and now I do music fulltime it just my yeah that's right I spend time with my family and I play music and it's like it's amazing it's all just a huge blessing I mean you got to think about how old are you now 41 41 I mean in 20 or 30 years you're going to look back at this and you're going to be proud you know it's going to be a story your your kids get to tell too yeah like my dad wouldn't wear a mask yeah seriously though man I mean that was that's cool though because you're teaching them you know good lessons about standing up for what you believe in what's right and what's wrong and I mean they're going to be proud of you for that so um there's nothing that's worth more than that you know and uh and like you said they learn they're going to learned some lessons from it as well like you know what they might be in a tough spot where they got to make a decision think about what would my dad do well my dad one time yeah well they had some like you know they didn't want to wear masks either and uh they would go places and like there's going to be confrontation then MH so you might have have to deal with that which I also think is good anyway you know hey put on a mask I don't want to and I was like that could be very intimidating at a young age so yeah yeah it's all pluses those are all pluses been I had some fun hilarious MTH stories so uh the when it first happened like uh well when Co was first going down you know people were getting really serious about the mass and you remember fouchy said Mass don't work then he said Mass do work and then I mean it was like and so I started this thing called mask Patrol I did it very briefly and I got death threats so that's like it's not really worth the death threats but we'd go around and uh we were leasing this house in uh California for a very uh it was like a a one-month rental we had a balcony and um it was uh in San Diego and I would be standing on the balcony um and people would be walking down the street and like excuse me uh and I'm have no mask on uh can you put a mask on like there like CDC recommendations you know the particles can travel hundreds of miles and people would put their mask on WE video it you know oh and uh I mean the comments were hysterical and uh but you no I thought it was funny I actually really wanted I wish now I wish I would have pushed that issue harder because but back then it was a little scary to do because you're getting people threatening to kill you and you know threatening like they're like looking like they're just like looking for anything thing I'm like ah I got a lot of work going on right now you know we were in some financial trouble at the time but um I mean it was people got super super serious about the mass the first flight I ever took during covid it was April of 2020 and um the planes were empty like nobody was traveling and so uh I used I like to fight first class so the only people that were traveling were those that normally flew first class so the entire back of the plane were was empty first class was full jammed and so we're like you know up here we're all wearing masks and stuff and and we're sitting next to each other so I mean we're here you know there's we're we're sitting next to each other the social distancing doesn't make any sense at this point and I'm getting off of the plane like you know we we we stop get my bags from above and the guy's like uh yells at me he's like so much for the six feet you know I'm like I pulled my mask and I was like [ __ ] off but I mean it was like a boiling point you know at that point the insanity that was going on in the world man but um I remember just drinking like coffee for like four hours CU every time a flight attendant would come around I just take a sip and I wouldn't have a mask on just like that's right ah actively drinking yeah exactly I put it back down and then ah long coffees did the flight attendants were crazy too I mean now I respect that they had a job to do I mean that's that's their job you know but they're basically the you know the the mass Nazis oh yeah and um a lot of them took it a little too serious though and you could tell there were some who just like I love this I love telling you to put your mask on put your mask on I ended up bringing I remember i' bring like a light blanket and I would just cover it over I just had a little tent and like watch a movie under there and like drink my coffee or whatever and just like sir yes like they can't see if you're wearing a mask it's right these little airplane tents I would bring with me yeah all the all the tricks of the of the travel trade I mean yeah it was pretty wild because you're supposed to be six feet we're supposed to be social distancing but we're all in this little tube yeah and we're sharing the same air even though it's supposed to be I I don't know if I believe that yeah and and then adding up here it was funny too because you know there was a time and we forget you know we're kind of trying to move on with our lives but you forget all the little things but when someone would get Co and they blame somebody this this person gave me Co I had a friend and she's you she's a good old friend but she went on social media blaming the person next to me was coughing and took his mask down and he's the reason I have covid it's like you're like double vaxed and yeah you know all of those things well it's funny and I I like to I'd like to know how many people that were so adamant are on their like recommend and now would be like eighth booster or something right if you get it every six month it's less than I think it's less than uh 5% of the whole population yeah and there was more than 5% that were going crazy on me for being a dirty super spreader well it's like if you're supposed to be following the the rules and science why haven't you taken every yeah vaccine yeah and uh you know we were talking about the MRNA earlier but it's not a uh uh a durable type response so it generally goes away pretty quick um that's why you have to get you know so many of those and then you talked about having covid twice there's nothing better than natural immunity yeah and there were studies that backed that up I mean the it was an Israeli trial that showed it to be 27 times more effective than the vaccine yeah and that was a forbidden word for a while on the internet natural immunity yeah you use those you were a crazy consp you're a crazy person it's like but that's when you know you're right there's a couple that I knew I was right then one was because I understood natural immunity and was like no there's just these people are crazy that say that yeah and the other thing is when they say that men can get pregnant yeah I'm like listen you're on the wrong side of history on that one you're full of [ __ ] like this is a fan yeah a fad but there think about it oh God there's people that are like trying to convince you that this is normal do whatever you want I have no nothing against a man that wants to pretend that he's pregnant but men can't get pregnant yeah do you agree with that I would agree with that comment yes there's not a baby growing oh the fact that that's part of a conversation is just like it makes me laugh that this is where we've come to yeah wild it it is pretty wild man I mean that whole but it's the same type of people like the same people that are saying men can get pregnant are the same people telling you you had to wear your mask that you had to get the vaccine oh it's the same group for sure yeah they're the loudest actually look behind you there oh [ __ ] I guess I was wrong is that let's see okay so the one on the left is a biological woman but it looks like a man so confused that is brave well they look happy you know they do look happy and I hope they are happy but doesn't mean I have to buy that it's it's a thing I agree um so let's move on a little bit the um your um your music career you're coming to Nashville a lot now yeah uh um when did you start playing music I did my first open mic 2019 mhm so I uh I'd seen that our unit that I was in the military was starting to change in a way that just wasn't for me um and simultaneous to that I started recognizing live music more I've always loved music but I I saw that like oh man there's like a bunch of people doing this as a job and I also started messing around with songwriting a bit and I found it very like like therapeutic um so I started going to open mics and it was almost like the same thing when I heard about our special operations unit I was just like that's what I'm doing I deci and I was like music is what I'm doing like my focus changed completely and I was still at work like in the in the military but I was playing like after a million open mics and I learned enough songs to be able to play for three hours at a pub or a bar just reached out to every bar everywhere to see if I could play and started booking stuff and playing like four or five nights a week like I'd go to work and shoot and train and fight and then I would go set up my stuff and play at a pub or a bar or a lounge or whatever and write songs and just took all that Focus that I had and that stuff and put into music so since 2019 I've been like every day giving her as if it's my passion because it is great um and that led me to start coming down here in Nashville uh last year writing with people connecting with people and now it's it's rolling along nicely yeah and you're you're looking for a place uh this fall yeah uh to stay for a month uh I think for a year for a year yeah oh that's cool I just spent all of March here uh the whole month of March I was doing songwriting just about every day with different writers around town stuff like that playing some open uh or the writers rounds and so I think the next step to make sense is come down here for a year and and play we got a Visa play in the States now um so anyone out there who needs a musician wherever the camera is at let me know uh we can legally come and play shows and get paid and be down here as artists so nice and I guess you know the goal is what to eventually get a record deal like if you were to you to have a vis like what is it that you want I want what I'm doing right now like I I'm really uh in a cliche saying just enjoying the journey like it's going at the right pace we're getting you know play I love playing shows I love playing live and connecting with people through music and songs uh that I write and I also think it's something that will not be replaced by AI or anything like that like that connection that happens at a real live music event uh I love that so we I want to tour around and play and uh you know this the streaming and the social media and stuff and the income from that helps with touring and stuff but it's not a goal to like you know gold record or number one or whatever they call it now I just I want to write songs that are honest to me and go play people play them two people and connect through music it's my goal and we're doing it now and it's just it just keeps incrementally getting a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger and I like the the pace that it's on that's awesome that's awesome I mean I guess you starting in 2019 uh I mean and just five years later moving to Nashville but it what what kind of strikes me is you started playing over you got the repetition in over and over you had a three hour set over and over and so you know a lot of people don't realize uh live music is well of course it's an art but it's it's very um uh takes a lot of practice oh yeah to get right with the crowd and to read them and to uh hit the notes at the right time Etc right absolutely how how long did it take you to kind of figure that out probably way longer than it took most people uh that's why I played so many bars though like from my favorite artists listening to them and the story about like you know just getting out there to play sometimes the bars are empty sometimes they're full sometimes people are paying attention sometimes they're not uh and just learning that how to interact with people in front of you or tell your story um and it's you just can't trade that practice I you know you see there's a lot of because of social media things like Tik Tok were blowing up really fast and they're playing in front of so many people without having ever played and and you see it sometimes where it's like this uncomfortable uh live show thing and I've seen people walk away from it and be like I'm just doing like streaming music because that whole business is crazy but I started Open Mic playing five people that weren't even listening and then I've played in bars where it was only the bartender and like a waitress I'm like you want me to keep playing like you guys are paying me but you know and then to full places and to thousands of people now having gone on tour with some some bigger artists and it's it's just it takes so much repetition like it it took me it's I'm still learning it actually you want to know how long it took me still to now of course it's something that excites me about music too is like you can I practice every day MH and I'm not going to master it before I die you won't Master music so it's like this eternal growth and you can just keep learning and keep getting better and keep uh you know being that conduit creativity from wherever creative stuff comes from and the better I get the more I can express what I'm you know what's coming through as a song or whatever so as I practice on guitar I can just write better songs get better as a singer I can just write better songs get better as a songwriter and knowing song structure and all these things I could just it makes me express my creativity that much better yeah I mean I guess um you know you get the repetition thing from well uh the military had to help with that as far as like it takes a lot of practice you know when did you start playing the guitar uh I started quite a while I think I was the I still have my first guitar I ever bought and it was I think I was like 18 or something um but I never really you know like lots of people that just have a guitar and it sits in the corner of the the room I remember I'd learn a couple chords and then I would you know life I I didn't practice I'm like oh yeah I think I remember how to play like a G chord and I think that's a d and thankfully with country you don't need many chords anyway but so I would just mess around with it sometimes but I remember very clear like and I played like uh I didn't play guitar but in a high school band with some friends I would sing um but I just never really thought about music you know in my adult life being a thing you could do um I remember like a very clear 2019 I was like this is what I'm doing and then I started every day since then I play or practice or listen or write or or do something um and it is that's repetition like that's how I got halfway decent at shooting guns in the military and just I just new getting into it I'm like I'm learning a completely new business a completely new art form all kinds of things and I came down here as very inspiring and encouraging but also intimidating like there's sometimes I'll watch a show and I'm like why am I doing this like I should quit these people are so good and then sometimes I have a great show I'm like yeah yeah I belong here I can hang here it's just good I I love that with live music and with learning it all it's just you're always out of your comfort zon mhm um and so the the repetitions help with that you know the first time nobody clapped or whatever you're like w that's awkward just like boo hey [ __ ] you buddy uh you just get used to like these little things and you're like ah this bothers me as much then you're you know playing to more people and it's a different comfort zone thing and then like an intimate show your storytelling and songwriting it's another comfort zone you're just expanding that and I really like that about music as well and those reps just help with all of that talk about comfort zone I mean that's actually something I really believe in is you know the only way we really find something that moves us as to get out of our comfort zone totally to put the risk out there talk about that a little bit well it's I I've noticed a pattern in my own life and anytime I Shi away from things that were uncomfortable the results were something where I'm like it could have been better or you know trying to regret a bunch of [ __ ] but like I could have done that better and anytime I lean into something that's uncomfortable it almost always is uh a result where I'm like I'm proud of that you know like from my the first open mic I did in 2019 hand on my heart was the scariest [ __ ] I've ever done in my whole life I've [ __ ] jumped out of airplanes in the middle of the night I've gone deployed overseas and gone into people's house just like an open mic to like seven people is the scariest [ __ ] I have ever done I try to talk myself out of it like four times going up I'd already signed up and I'm like no I'm leaving and then I'm just like okay I'm going to do it like it was terrifying um and but if I wouldn't have done that I wouldn't have done the next one and the next one and the next show and come down to Nashville and wrote songs and go on tour and like it's just it's only because of that pushing of my comfort zone and I the pattern like it was like that in hockey when I played growing up and it was like that in the military a lot out of my comfort zone a lot of times yeah um and I've just always found that when I do it even is down to something as simple as an uncomfortable conversation you do it and you get better at it but it's always a better result you know I've never been like ah wish I didn't have that uncomfortable conversation right I've not once thought that right going into this uncomfortable space the result has never been like I regret that just always been positive so yeah now it's uh it's interesting because there's a leadership course I did and a lot of it's about getting out of your comfort zone and uh you know a lot of people get so stuck in their comfort zone they're afraid to go uh they're afraid to go out of it and really they're just kind of imprisoning their their their growth because they're stuck within this you know specific uh way of of thinking and uh so a lot of people they need to hear it like if you want to find you know certain happiness or success got to get out of your comfort zone yeah because staying where you're at you know it's same I almost let it guide me now like oh that makes me feel uncomfortable like oh that's the way to go like there's an easy way and then there's this way where I'm like ah just a little bit hesitant and it's it's always been the right turn to take I have found for me anyway that's awesome anything else you want to uh say before we wrap this no man I'm glad we got to do this after chatting about it for a while and uh super cool thanks for having me it's been an awesome conversation yeah I'm glad you're in Nashville and coming down here more we'll have to hang out more and you know thanks for doing what you did because you know on multiple levels but uh we need people to stand up to tyranny yeah and we saw that not a lot of people who are willing to and so um I know it's inspirational to a lot of people and uh I'm excited about even your kids seeing it because they're like yeah that's my dad you know like that's a great lesson and you know a lot of people can look at that and take that along with them because you did stand up to the man you know it's like the ultimate man it's like the prime minister of your country and the the uh people in the um in in the unit that were I don't know uh whatever they were kind of weak minded at the time and uh you know that's not easy and I want to be around people like that like that that you know you're my type of person somebody who is actually GNA um put their money where their mouth is basically and um so yeah thank you for that and thanks for coming on the podcast hell yeah man thanks for having me it's awesome all right thank you you were part of the world record longest sniper shot the shot was at 3,540 M 2.2 Mi as a sniper you've got to obviously stay still you know for a long period of time I'm guessing some people just can't do it yeah there's a lot of people that just don't like it so I had a deployment before I was a sniper to Afghanistan I was in an assault Squadron this grocery store that we would go to got hit by a guy with a suicide vest being kicked out of the unit was actually for a masking thing they were going to fire anyone that didn't take shot they lied to people to get them to take an experimental vaccine the powers that b are expecting us to just get over it we should just be able to be free to make this decision on what is injected into our body I do believe in Freedom everybody I do believe in it Dallas Alexander welcome to the podcast hey thanks for having me thanks for coming all the way from Canada um I know you're working down here but for those uh who don't know uh Dallas uh was a sniper uh in the Canadian military um caused a little bit of controversy last year with his objection to being mandated to do the vaccine uh was really a a worldwide story um when you went on Shawn there was a lot of lot of stuff that went on and uh is one of the holders of the world record for the longest sniper shot as well so uh Dallas yeah thanks for coming I'm glad we lined it up this trip yeah yeah we've been we've been trying to do it for a while but um I'm glad uh you know you're able to do it this time oh yeah so um you know let's talk a little bit about your your background um where did you grow up where you from yeah from Canada like you mentioned uh I grew up in western Canada in Alberta tiny little place population about 300 people uh fishing lake matey settlement is what it's called so it's like a little indigenous Community uh grew up like in the forest essentially nice so I moved out I want to say at 18 to play hockey play Junior Hockey as every good Canadian should and then uh joined the military after that so so uh what made you want to join the the military I think it was it was I was working in the oil field and it was at the tail end of my junior like uh you know career if you want to call it that and I was kind of debating if I keep trying to play hockey I wasn't going to go to the NHL but I probably could have played some Semi-Pro here or there were you at this time uh I would have been 22 okay I think so at the end of like my last year of Junior um and I was just kind of deciding like if it's what I wanted wanted to do um and I was working in the oil field in Alberta and a guy I was working with he'd done a stint in the military that was a few years and uh he told me about this unit that I had no idea about and it was our special operations unit called jtf2 and it was like as soon as I heard what first I didn't believe him I didn't know anything about our military and I didn't even believe we had a counterterrorism unit uh and then I I looked it up on the old dialup internet and uh he was telling the truth and from like I just remember being hooked to that idea right away I think it was like a sense of adventure um there was the team aspect of hockey physical challenge mental challenge all these things I was assuming but it was like oh this this seems like it would be a really hard thing uh and I was just from that moment I was like focused on that and i' never really considered the military before that which weird like I'm not from a military family I didn't even know we really had much of a military um yeah so it was just kind of found out about it and then I started watching all the cool like Special Forces movies Blackhawk Down and stuff and I was like hook I was like this is what I want to do what is uh jtf2 if you were to compare it to a unit in the United States what uh like your your SEAL Team Six guys or your your Delta Force guys we worked with them a lot kind of all over the place um sort of like that or uh 22 SAS in the UK okay and what's the what's the training like for that you so you went to the military at around 22 yeah uh you like is it like the Army what what's it called when you I started in the Army and you have to do two years in like a regular Force service before you can try out for the Special Operations that's how it worked at the time anyway I don't know if that's changed but uh so I joined the army first went to a light infantry battalion um did all the the soldier training and whatever and then after doing that for two years you're allowed to apply to do selection for the uh Special Operations group and uh it's it's from the Battalion you're in you have to pass like a physical test and psychological evaluation and have the support from your chain of command uh then you go on this C and it's just uh at the time again I don't know if this changed but it's was a 7-Day selection and it's just very intense in every way that you can imagine to see if you can you know cut it I guess for the job if you can hack it um and I went and did selection and I somehow passed it nice uh yeah and then I I went to the unit and there's once you're done selection if you get picked up to go on course they call it the Special Operations ass Salter course that's where you learn all your you know shooting fighting whatever infill driving jumping everything that special operations nice how long's uh how long is that training for that course is I I think it's changed over the years I don't know if it's from what I remember between N9 and 10 or 11 months um what's that training like it kind of covers everything like the idea of it is once you're selected for you know assumed ability to be able to take on these these skills you go and like start at the basics of shooting with you know pistol and everything up to machine guns like the range of of weapons you just start very basic and just get faster and it's a very fast-paced course but they it everything starts at the basics so you start that and then you start going into like CQB which is like the Close Quarters battle stuff kill house things uh big part of the Mandate for the unit is hostage rescue so there's a lot of like training in CQB and again you start at basic level and it just gets crazier and crazier and faster um and then they add insertion methods sort of or or infill way so you know like your your skydiving and your heho and Halo jumping tactical driving training repelling and fast roping and uh all of that stuff anything to do with getting you to a Target or off a Target um and then there's a big focus on what we call like green green phase so you're in the four Forest you're doing things like reconnaissance and uh doing hits or da from the forest back to the forest you spend a bunch of time in the woods and uh carrying heavy weight and doing all that stuff with drills to break contact or to do attacks and stuff like that so they just every Soldier skill you can think of yeah is like covered in that you know 10 10 months or whatever it is and then um when did you decide to become a sniper within that unit uh so when I did my two years years in the Army I had actually done the rag for Sniper course at the time cuz when I got to Battalion it was just I was learning all this stuff and I saw like it was across the hall in our line I was like oh those guys look so cool like carrying their sniper guns and [ __ ] uh so I was like that seems like something I'd want to do and I love the outdoors from growing up that way uh so i' had already done my sniper course and then when I got to uh jtf2 they had their own sniper troop there so I would I was kind of already you know knew somewhat what to expect and I wanted to do the same thing when I got there and from looking at it it had like the hardest [ __ ] were there you know what I mean like all the guys that were given her and really wanted to do the job it's and we're pushing the limits and stuff whether it's long range or jumping or you know the Airborne operation stuff and it just seemed like the hardest collection of people so I was like that's where I want to go and work that's awesome um so you you go through the the training course nine or 10 months you become a sniper within that that unit no so that's after so the 10 months is for you to be a they call Special Operations assaulter so you are an assault Squadron doing hits a lot of this the CB stuff we talked about um hostage rescue stuff um I went I did our sniper course probably another two years after I was in the unit um and then you get put on a different course and I think at the time was four months long or something to do the the sniper training and again it starts with the basic grouping zering how to maintain your rifle how to just shoot at 100 meters and then out to whatever I mean as a sniper you've got to obviously stay still uh you know for a long period of time um what's that like like uh how do they prepare you for that and I'm guessing some people just can't do it yeah there's a lot of people that I don't know if they can't do they just don't like it you know cuz sniping there's a big percentage of it is your Outdoors though if that's not your jam don't become a sniper and a lot of it is just watching like whether it's three your rifle scope or a spotting scope or team doing surveillance and like you said it's like just sitting there patiently still and watching and a very small percentage of it is actually like shooting bad guys um so I I for me I think you know you're either it's something you don't mind doing MH or it's something you absolutely hate but you get comfortable with it on sniper course like you you're behind your gun a lot you're just laying there a lot you get used of looking through Scopes and binos and and uh and and spotting Scopes and so it just like it builds you build up a tolerance for it I guess because it can be very fatiguing I don't know like if you just take a set of binos you know binoculars and look around the city for half an hour like your eyes will be tired and so you just kind of build up that I don't know eye endurance yeah um so what was your first mission snip uh for me as a sniper MH so I had a deployment before I was a sniper to Afghanistan and my first what year was the first deployment to Afghanistan just kind of give uh I was in an assault Squadron so it was kind of a weird I I got put in a mixed batch group of guys for this one and it was um I honestly at first I was supposed to go on a different uh tasking and I was excited about it and the guys were doing hits um in uh Kandahar and like that's what I had been training for and I was like hell yeah that's what I want to do but I was a spare to go on tour so it wasn't guaranteed that I was going to go and if someone got injured maybe and then this other task came up and just chatting with my chain of command they're like well you can go for sure on this one and this was my first deployment so I was like okay I'll take it because I want to go overseas um and it ended up being a group of us were supporting our intelligence service so they were uh doing Source handling operations uh you know getting information on on the bad guys or whatever and we were there to facilitate kind of the security of all the meetings and so it as you can imagine the bad people they're meeting with should not be seen meeting with the people they're meeting with so you have to do a bunch of things to make sure they're not being followed tracked in their phone all these things so a lot of it was like undercover work you know I was dressed like an Afghani on the street corner smoking cigarettes oh nice riding a motorbike or whatever and it was really cool I I I was sort of disappointed that I got that task when I got it but then I was very happy after that I did it because it was it was just different a lot of freedom I was just running around the cities and it was just very cool um looking back on it I was like that was a really good time yeah I mean so you're you're undercover Afghan yeah uh like don't talk to me yeah like we were with the interpreters we were working with we'd be like you know couple words and try and sort out an accent to be like enough that people will leave you the [ __ ] alone or just pretend you're on your phone listening to someone just like don't try and engage too much sure and there would be times like people you get you know someone starts acting weird and looking at you and you just get on your motorbike and and leave or whatever and get replaced by someone else who's doing the counter surveillance or whatever your job is at that time what year was this this would have been uh 2010 and into 11 and I was in Kabul okay so yeah we were still well the United States was still uh actively yeah fting over there a lot yeah what um so so with that mission what what what kind of came up with it came out of it uh it was just I I don't even know if there's much value in these reports it's hard to tell sometimes you know if this guy works with the Taliban and comes he's telling them stuff and goes into an intelligence report and does it turn into a Target is it real you know it's it's really hard in that game to figure out exactly if people are doing it just for a Payday or if they're like you're getting real stuff um so what came out of it intelligence wise there was some stuff that you know got moved on um but what came out of it for me was it was a really cool experience there was a ton of Adventures and just like and it was it's such a crazy that City at that time there was so many um you know there's Nos and there's other troops and they have green zone with all the embassies and stuff and there's lots of westerners kind of moving about but it was still chaos there would be like vbieds every week and like remember this grocery store cuz we lived just like in a safe house in the city mhm and so we'd just be out amongst the the public in this grocery store that we would go to to get like stuff for barbecue got like we were going to go there one day we're having barbecue and I'm like oh let's go to this other store they have better hamburger buns and just by switching locations the store we were going to go to got hit by a a guy with a suicide vest two of them went up shot up everyone a guy we knew was in there got shot and like he called us and we had to run around the city trying to find him and I was like well I'm glad we didn't go to that one because we came in after just this smoking mess SM like death and blood and like bomb parts or whatever but it was just it was such a cool mix to see I mean I don't know if cool is the right word but to see like what I really enjoyed about deploying is like the spectrum of Human Experience you know what I mean like it's you can you can sit on a patio in Iraq and have a nice espresso or you can be you know 10 miles down the road and you're fighting against Isis like yeah that's wild right it's got to be kind of like a mess with your mind it's weird yeah and then you come home and just like oh safe and sound at whatever my favorite restaurant is you think about too I think most people that are watching War uh you know think oh it's Iraq so the whole country is under Fire but it's not like you said you're 10 miles way everybody's living normally yeah they like oh they're fighting 10 miles down the road you don't want to go there yeah but um that's kind of what it is right yeah yeah and that was like so my first deployment as a sniper um was in 200 I want to say 14 something like that I deployed with uh my brother-in-law Chris who you met is was my first sniper TL and we went to Iraq and we were on kind of the line the Border I guess of Kurdistan and Iraq which is everyone knows it as one country but there it's really like two countries MH um and they were just holding this line so that Isis wouldn't continue to steamroll through all of pistan uhhuh so it was just like this old school standoff there was like a defense line MH some no man's line and bad guys over there so we were there with like our our big sniper rifles like the 50 Cals we could reach out and uh calling air strikes and stuff and just trying to support the Kurds from having Isis push them kind of back further into their country but from that line you know there's people would be a cab driver in the city and they would come up and they'd do their shift to defend their country wow and we were helping them and then you go back into the City and you can go sit down at a restaurant and have like a steak or whatever that's why yeah yeah you're like it's so weird like The Human Condition in many ways if you think about like things like that where you know we're at a a lot of of Peace over here yeah um we don't have to worry about bombings per se or anything like that but you know really being in a city or a country that's at War and just a few miles away I mean it's just for the people too because you know they've got to be worried that they're going to eventually lose that piece that they're going back to yeah uh when they're a cab driver and then going to the front lines totally and I think it speaks a lot to resiliency like human resilienc you know like even if you live a few miles from it there're just the kids still play soccer out in the field or whatever and people still you know grow their vegetable like you just you get used to what you're in of you know and you can you can adapt and I think that was cool to see is like how adaptable and resilient we are as people and us getting used to it going there because it's crazy at first you're like holy [ __ ] you're looking everywhere you're like I'm so trained to watch for stuff and then eventually you're just like you're chilling and you're paying attention but it's like you get into the rhythm of things we're okay over here yeah yeah when you think about you know what we're dealing with in society right now in the United States and Canada and you know we've become pretty soft as a society where you know they have these glass shelters around them and you know don't don't break my glass house because um I'm going to throw a temper tantrum and be a a giant victim yeah but um you well I think that's lack of real problems like we're just if everything's too good you just look for problems you know like that's right everything becomes a massive problem and that victim mindset Creeps in and I'm not saying it's better to live with the worry of a [ __ ] own strike sure but I mean if it gets too soft we see what's happening yeah how do you think that uh how do you think we fix something like that oh where would you even start I I just I think there needs to be a big change in narrative like there's a huge like victim competition it seems like you know the victim Olympics yeah yeah where it's like oh well I have more fill-in the blank you know anxiety or depression or some other acronym for things in my behavior and my trauma and my upbringing and blah blah blah and like I just it's such a terrible mindset but it's supported by it seems like you know because things that are upsetting you know get more clicks or whatever you know things that get people riled up it's just like we're being tricked into thinking that that's the best way to be or or you know the best way to get get attention maybe I guess yeah well you have the algorithm feeding you uh you know what you're supposed to be or what you like confirmation bias totally across the board and I think it's just easier to get attention that way than to work hard and get attention some other way so like that's for sure you got to work hard behind the scenes you got you know to build something like you're you're an entrepreneur to build it's not you got to work hard to do that yeah it would be way easier for you to get a million views if you were like you know just a complaining about this or that like in terms of time spent and effort it's just easier and you're still getting you know that hit of I'm getting attention from something from the world yeah I mean it's it is much easier to be a victim and you know I look at like a lot of the racial stuff that's going on and I see uh I mean I grew up in Nashville born and raised in the City Public Schools you're the only one I'm not like the only one left but very diverse um and racism wasn't a thing uh really when I was growing up in the city now you go outside the city there's a bunch of rednecks and so you you would see it there and those type of things but you know we didn't have a lot of money growing up and uh I'm glad then though that the mentality wasn't to be a victim to your circumstances because I could have made up a million reasons I could have found where I'm being wronged here I'm being wronged there and that became part of my uh identifications I identified as this victim to all of my circumstances and I'm oppressed you know and oh we're especially oppressing for instance black people too they're even more oppressed and but I'm oppressed here because you know and and it it just snowballs yeah and you know you look at what's going on now and as you're saying it's it's like a a contest of who can be the biggest victim and you think about like the racial divide you know I I can see racism in certain areas no doubt about it for sure but if it's all you focus on you're gonna just see that I can also see ways that I'm being screwed over but yeah you I've never let that uh become my identity it's like no we can overcome all of those things yeah yeah and I I mean it's such a tricky thing to try and talk about because or not necessarily talk about I love the conversation side but like to convince someone else so like yeah if you just see it differently then the same situation becomes something that can build you up versus keep you down like and I speak from experience I grew up in a Mai settlement which is an indigenous Community one of the first houses we lived in had no running water or power and I feel blessed that that was part of like my upbringing right because I'm like no matter what happens we'll be fine but also there was like I got in a lot of fights because I was I the white kids thought I was an Indian and the Indians thought I was a white kid and I'm like a half breed mate I'm like scrapping everywhere because you know and it that is racism but still eventually we grew like and I would hockey and Sport we' you know the terrible ones would go to whatever gangs and stuff like that but like you become friends with guys and you're like okay you can overcome this kind of stuff and if I just would have looked at it through the vi there's just a million places I could see where i' been like oh yeah victim mindset this is why I still live in the community and I'm addicted to this or that and like it's just a simple mindset change and it's it's simple it's not necessarily easy but it is simple the same situation can Empower you or you know belittle you I guess yeah and and ultimately in almost every situation we have a choice of how we view things so we can choose to see it one way or we can choose to see it another it can be glass half empty or glass half full and um I really think that what kids are being taught these days and Society is is just being taught in general is that being a victim is is cool yeah and um you know I was actually talking to a friend about this uh the other day um you know the words that we use for people calling them oppressed or marginalized and those type of things you know we hear those words every day in describing uh let's call it underserved communities yeah but if those people actually believe that we're actually doing a disservice well intended you know I think these in general people that are uh talking about it have good intentions for those people yeah but they don't know how the words that they say impact their mindset because mindset is is probably 90% of it and words are powerful absolutely like yeah it it it sucks I think like to go back to your original questions how you change it I think there needs to be just an overarching change in narrative like start showing people that the same story can be power ful like you know um and having other people say that you know instead of oppressed and all these words you're using like you know there's so many inspiring Underdog stories that you could point to yeah which would you know it would only be a benefit to you know have that be more of a narrative versus how oppressed and unfair this or that is because there there is oppression and there's unfairness but it's everywhere but I think each individual person can choose they see that I think if we start shifting it towards just showing the evidence of like that mindset change and that that simple change that it's simple but not necessarily easy um that's a way to do it and I think you know hopefully there's a shift because it the reward systems that come with it through like we're saying social media it's [ __ ] powerful like sucks but if if something in that could could start shifting towards you know less of a victim mindset I think that would help because so many people are spending so much time on their devices yeah absolutely I mean you think about the algorithm that's that's what it feeds people yeah you know and it seems like there's uh an intention behind it by someone yeah that we don't know exactly who is you know creating this call ideology of victimhood but um you know I think that I am starting to see you know cuz the pendulum swings you know yeah back and forth pretty far it was it was pretty far Looney I'm going to call it Looney left you know the last four years but I think people are getting fed up with it yeah and I I actually like the I think the algorithm just gives you what you want because attention is what they're looking for now I think people decide that they want something like this let's say negative content because how could you not if you listen to the news every single thing is negative if you listen to schools everything is negative everything's you know people are divided for all these different reasons instead of saying like you know we are all sort of in this together you know what I mean and like it's just so most people that I know and again it's not that racism doesn't exist but most people are just like yeah okay we're all just like we all have issues let's figure it out yeah instead of like there's all these categories that are dividing everybody now but the people and the the the structure that are doing it are saying like this is this is for we're trying to do this for good so that we can point out this and that but it's all negative and then the news is all negative so when you get onto a social media algorithm you're hooked on these things yeah and then you get more of it like my algorithm just shows me [ __ ] country music so like it's it's just so that I'll stay on the device and these companies whatever make money and stuff like that um but I think it's people are being told all this stuff and then their algorithm just gives you what you want like it's almost that be careful what you ask for we're doing it now with like our military for example in Canada is gone insane and now they're getting the military they asked for everybody's leaving there's all kinds of crazy like diversity training things within Special Operations and we're just like why we're here to fight terrorist where did cuz it seems like Canada um I mean I felt bad for Canada over co uh well I felt bad for real like I don't know what you call it real men and people with families that were were you because it seemed like at least the uh what my algorithm and the news that I would read showed me is in general uh the Canadians laid down and just took it and had a had this dictator in Justin Trudeau who he's like a dictator I he he wants to be a dictator that's for sure um but and and it seemed like and I was talking to uh one of my friends from Canada and she was completely oblivious to it as well like she didn't even know what was going on in the s that oh no this is all good and this is just really oh yeah completely like out there um and she she's in America now uh TV exec but you know she was completely oblivious to those things going on and so that was my my one point from Canada uh one contact from Canada that I was yeah you hearing from like you don't know what's going on but I felt bad for people like you uh that had to take it um because if you didn't you got retribution which you experienced will to what was that what was your experience of it it was crazy like when it uh all started you know it was just this thing it was coming from the news which already I kind of I'm like yeah do I trust whatever it's like it seems like it's only lies but I'm like all right there's a virus thing let's see what's happening and uh it was just for me at our unit is where the my eyebrow really started to raise we're in a small Special Operations unit disconnected from everyone else in the calf like the Canadian Forces essentially I didn't think that the stuff that was going on politically was going to make it into our unit um and so for me they're just like oh there's this thing I'm like looking at the stuff and I'm like okay I'm in the demographic that really doesn't need to give a [ __ ] about this like the odds of me dying from this are essentially zero it's more dangerous for me to drive to work in my car I'm like no problem let's keep on training and doing our thing and then there was talk about like oh it's going to be like you're just going to be mandated that you have to take this thing I'm like well that's weird why like you know and I go talk to the docs I'm like what's up and they just like no real information they're not giving me any medical advice and then when it was starting There Was You Know Whispers of it going to be completely mandated or you lose your job I went to talk the doctor again and they're just like they couldn't give me Medical advice I'm like how does it interact with like someone like me who's had a bunch of concussions or like if you have this or that in your history just like no it's all safe and effective I'm like that's how for every so this one thing is good for every single person on the planet can you tell me one drug like not even aspirin not even ibuprofen is safe for everyone not even [ __ ] peanut butter like and they just couldn't give medical advice and I just I was like well that's weird and then they're going to force me to do it without being able to give me any medical advice on this like from the doctor I just thought it was strange and they're like well what's the big deal you've had vaccines before but I'm like yeah but I don't just take them randomly and I've learned over the years like I don't take the flu shot because I'm not afraid of getting the flu now if you want to take it go ahead if you want to take the whole spectrum of fer drugs like goe antix go ahead no I'm just like this one I'm looking it seems like I'm not at RIS and I I already had Co and I'm like just from everything I know is just you know Common Sense stuff I feel like this isn't for me and uh then we all got ordered to go to the appointment to take this this shot and I went in I was like okay I'll go to the appointment I just tell him no thank you and I left and I'd never seen a response like that like they my chain of command my sergeant major was like telling my troop warrant essentially that he wanted me kicked out of the troop by the end of the week your sergeant major was yeah for turning down this shot and I was like did you know the sergeant maj yeah yeah he's an [ __ ] okay but your relationship with him before it you were like fine it was totally fine it was like I never seen a response like that I couldn't believe it I thought it was just the most cowardly thing I'd ever seen and I was being threatened to be kicked out of this troop um by the end of the week for turning it down and I was like I I've never seen a response like that in this unit now you can imagine Special Operations unit full of a bunch of crazy dudes of tough dudes some [ __ ] happens over the years I've never seen a response like that I I've said this before like I could have drove my truck drunk through the front gate smashed it and they would have been like oh are you all right like do you need a little bit of time off what's going on let's get this but I like declined this thing and it wasn't even like indefinite cuz we were still learning everything I was like well I don't know maybe I would take it at some point but just the response was another thing I'm like that is really weird yeah um and it was just like all these red flags about it and then I think I got Co like a second time and I was like no that wasn't so bad I lost like taste and smell I felt like [ __ ] a little bit and then I was good yeah and I'm like okay there's more going on here and so to go back to the thing in Canada they were pressing hard like Trudeau was like insult it was this big attack on unvaccinated people and how dirty and racist you were and all this [ __ ] that came in the news and just like and I guess I didn't see the so we I mean me and like my circle and my family we didn't bow down to any of it so you know there were lots of people that are just like well I don't know my doctor told me to take it I'll take it don't really care and then there was the really politicized side of it just like you are dirty don't come here you know and everywhere you had to wear a mask um everywhere they were checking for VX passes if you wanted to go to a restaurant you wanted to go anywhere um it was just so crazy but because my circle was all kind of the same we're just like this is really weird and I'm not going to be forced into doing any of this yeah it was like a couple years of a lot of Confrontation yeah so and I want to get into the the what what happened with you with that but you know going back to the whole country I mean it was you know you mentioned to go into a restaurant you had to show your vaccine card yeah I mean it was it was like that in certain cities in the United States but it wasn't widespread by any means and and what I saw from the US was you know Canada it it was way worse yeah than what we dealt with it was very like it was what we were dealing with in the United States but on steroids like if you don't do this you're just a second class citizen definely um uh very very and when you see Trudeau speak I mean this guy like it's kind of like watching Gavin Nome speak you know they're full of [ __ ] like dude I you're just full of [ __ ] and if you know I think there's certain type of people that can recognize [ __ ] in a guy like that it's obvious he's he's like uh sweating [ __ ] yeah you know it's a good way to sweating [ __ ] so um you know what was you know you had your insulated group but what was that like watching it happen to your country especially as someone who is willing to risk his life every day to defend his country yeah it was it was just strange it was such a strange experiment like I seeing people's reactions um and then you know the I just tried to take it all with you know as much common sense as I could and go about the day like this just doesn't make sense to me so I'm not going to do it and I'm like I'm just for like sort I'm Just For Freedom here like sure especially in what I'm going to inject like it should really be up to me and seeing the you know different close friends just completely turn or just like things like this turn it's so weird it was just I was like almost I was mesmerized by like how humans could fall into this and like the whole trap of the news into your house and into your brain and then into your actions out in society people were telling on their neighbors and like police were going to like if you had more than five people at a Christmas event or whatever police were at your door and like it it was just Madness now it was a little different in different parts of the country I live in in uh Ontario which it was terrible there Alberta where I'm from was a little bit better they still had uh the passes and stuff most plac it was just a lot more lenient um but it was just I found it to be a crazy social experiment is what it seemed like and to see how so many people fell for it and then I mean the the good thing that happened was we had a a big truck Convoy that came to Ottawa and they're like no more of this uh and it yeah what was that like because it that's when I mean a certain amount of uh Canadians got completely fed up with it and that was obviously a big story in the United States uh a bunch of people bunch of truckers and people stick standing up for their rights shutting down a city basically and saying you can't make us do that but the response from the Canadian government showed the true yeah you know di dictatorship yeah uh that Justin Trudeau wants for Canada yeah yeah it was it was really good I think what it did is it was all of the pockets of people that were standing the ground just organized a little bit better and they came to Ottawa and it was amazing I loved it man I was like did you go down there oh yeah all the time um and there weren't you guys weren't terrorists or no there was things what all did they call you well this was this was what was really cool to see is that I was on the street watching it and this was the the largest collection of people I'd ever seen to include concerts and anything with the most like friendly Vibe it was just hard to describe like people were not fighting there wasn't craziness it was just everyone on this one thing saying we just want to be able to choose that's it and it was just so friendly and now the cool thing to see I mean I'm probably using cool in the wrong context there but I was looking at what was happening on the ground I'm all on the street and i' said this before like I was trained as a sniper in Canada at the highest level which means I am one of the highest trained people to observe [ __ ] in Canada and I've trained in surveillance and all of this stuff I was on the street look looking for things that they were talking about on the news and there was none yeah so I'm like here's the picture of what's happening and then you turn on your TV and here's what they're telling the country so I'm getting messages from friends like in Alberta and it's like oh my God what's happening over there like are these truckers Burning Down the city and there's all these Naz and like and and talk about that though what was the news saying what are all the things they called people like you for for protesting yeah so there was the there was a bunch of changing narratives with Justin Trudeau and him talking about it and there was you know he's like it's just a small group this Fringe minority um most of them are oh what was he saying racist or misogynist in in some way um there was just all this stuff where he's pointing so much hate towards a group of people that are really on a dayto b like something would happen in the news like you're still downtown in a city right so there's homeless people there's [ __ ] around and like someone would vandalize something and all the people would like clean up that area or like oh someone was rude to a homeless person they saw on the news and they're doing an interview then everyone sets up food stands and they're giving out food to and they're just countering everything but the news isn't covering it so they're like oh someone saw like a Nazi flag somewhere I remember that one and so we're down there like where's this like no one's seen this and it was just one quick place with one quick picture that went into the news and then it goes viral build this story that they're selling the rest of the country but being down there every day like it was the friendliest collection of people I have ever seen in that amount of numbers like thousands and thousands of people what percentage of Canadians do you think believed uh the Trudeau propaganda uh I think at first because of the way it was the way it was laid out in steps where it was like all of this fear first about a virus and then their science and then this and it was like a slow aggression of hate towards the unvaccinated people yeah um so I think it was a large percentage at first cuz a lot of people got like let's say the first shot the first vaccine um and then it just started dying down because it even just to people that are just regular Canadians tuning in you could hear the [ __ ] and the desperation almost in in Justin Trudeau's speech and it's just like this desperate and to watch it is disgusting and I think people were just picking up on that um you know and then just lying like oh I never said that and then you play the exact clip of what he said and just like like this is not a deep fake video or something you said that cuz I watched it um and people just got tired of his [ __ ] I think and so it it started to die down um and it was a good show of their cards I think the way the trucker Convoy got broken up was like using this emergency act that people are like this is just a protest man and like all they kept lanes open for emergency vehicles all the stuff like and the first half of it the cops were there watching high-fiving everyone they're in the thing and then a different group of cops comes at the end and just busts it all up and arrest people and like trampled old ladies with horses like it was wild to see that that's the level they would go to if it's like it's not going their way you know right I mean it's it's like uh it's weird to because you know if you take a step back and look at it from 10,000 ft it's actually clear what's what's going on oh yeah I mean we know that Trudeau isn't being honest we know in America that fouchy isn't being honest we know that the narrative is pushing an agenda we might not know exactly what the agenda is or why they want everyone to get this vaccine but we do know uh that there's there's an agenda and they're not telling us the truth and once you see it lot of lying it's like way second like you know you can call out their [ __ ] it's like this isn't true you said this you I mean the first narrative in America to come out from the CDC and fouchy was if you get the vaccine you can't get Co I remember that then it was if you get the vaccine you can't spread covid then it was if you get the vaccine you're not going to die of Co and you know then all of those turned out to not be true now do I believe that people that got the vaccine uh have a lower chance of dying within a few months of the vaccine yes I think it actually probably does that uh but the idea that we need Mass vaccinations or the idea that when I knew I'll tell you how I knew so in April of 2021 uh that's when they were pushing that out that idea that if you got covid or if you if you got the vaccine you couldn't get covid and that you couldn't spread it yeah right well uh we have a scientist we work with who um had a wedding all VX wedding I didn't go uh but I understood I respect her position too though no no shade at all I I get it um and a lot of the wedding got covid yeah and so she sequenced it uh with Next Generation sequencing and saw that it was the the Delta variation and so we knew then that was in April of 2021 that you could spread but not only could you get it you could spread it um wow if you got Co now that didn't come out until around August so you know I got April May June July I got four months of complete knowing they were literally yeah lying to the American people they were telling them one thing and I knew the facts were another and you know when you see it like that and you know that they're lying to people and you see how nasty they get at people that don't buy their lie that's what bothers me it's like like if you want to lie to the public I mean I don't agree with it but don't attack the people that aren't publicly agreeing or believing you're lie yeah and trudo he was on a whole other level with that he was gaslighting and and then attacking yeah yeah it was it was crazy to see and I think it's almost like there's this sentiment now because the lies are they're out there like you know if you're looking at at all anywhere you know and I think most people just know but it's almost like well let's forget about all of that let's just let's forget about how we acted in the last wor oh well we there was a lot of pressure at the time like wait a second it it wasn't just that because we were fighting against you then and it wasn't just a lot of pressure you were attacking me over the all the pressure you were saying that I was the one lying that I was the one spreading misinformation you were calling me a liar when I knew you were a li and like it made people I I now I've spoken to so many people having Gone Like Music touring for music meeting all kinds of people that were just like felt they were crazy they were being told by their family and by the government and by everyone that you're just like that intuition you have to maybe be a little cautious about whether it's for you or not is wrong you're crazy you're like this dirty super spreader it's like the people that held on or even even the people that like tried and tried and just like collapsed I feel so terrible for them you know if you didn't have a network around you or you just you didn't know what to do and I've met so many people like that um it was it was insane the pressure was crazy for a while it was wild I mean my business partner uh Scotty Nelson uh his mom passed away and uh at first they were saying he couldn't come to the funeral because he wasn't vaccinated yeah I mean that idea and he went anyway of course but um I mean that idea that he's got a close family and I I I love his dad don't get me wrong but like it was uh it's wild to think that people can get be programmed so much to you know suggest you can't do something like that that happened across the board industry oh workplace I mean they wouldn't let at the very beginning people have funerals for their loved ones yeah I mean in what Society I is that there's keeping us safe yeah yeah that's how far people want to know why we're upset still why we won't let let it go it's because you didn't let me sit next to my buddy when he was dying yeah uh sit next to my family member or friend we couldn't go to their their funerals we couldn't um be with our loved ones you know and then they scared those around like many people around us so much that they turned against us as the evil ones when we knew that they were being lied to and brainwashed into thinking that we're yeah the evil ones and it's sad there's just there's so many stories like that I I've heard all across Canada so many and like you think about you know the the ongoing effects of it like people really you know depression and suicide like all this stuff just from being locked all by yourself for some people who didn't have anyone or whatever and you can't leave your house and you can't do this like that was a real serious thing in Canada yeah it was it was a serious thing here I mean you know under the age of 40 I believe there's been less than 30,000 people in the United States that have died of covid I mean you're at 300,000 that have died of drug overdoses within that range yeah um I mean the the idea that you can lock healthy people seemingly healthy people yeah in their house and say don't go outside don't get sunlight stay away from degrade their health like no gym no sunlight just all kinds of like uh what's that hand squirt sanitizer just sanitize everything get your immune system completely defenseless it's just crazy yeah and the and the basic things you know interestingly uh you know I was very familiar with the MRNA technology and uh we had wanted to do an mRNA vaccine uh for cancer Aus taking a patient's tumor sequencing it uh um it's a specific neoantigen vaccine and whenever they were rolling out the MRNA for covid I'm like no way because it wasn't ready for prime time yeah if someone has metastatic cancer or uh you know that vaccine is much safer than chemotherapy yeah you know so that that makes sense why yeah you would take something like that but rolling something out that has never been in large scale uh humans and suggesting that you know uh what the result is going to be long term is crazy yeah is just not true yeah and if you think about like how the mr& works I mean are you kind of familiar with a little bit Yeah like not at a scientific level I'm not yeah dealing with it every day but think about this you have a the MRNA wrapped in a lipid nanop particle so that's the delivery mechanism nanop particle the MRNA has a code in it so when it hits the ribosome uh that decodes it and produces the spike protein in the body so you have basically a coated synthetic Spike Protein that's being released throughout the body now you're going to get some that don't stop releasing you're to get it we don't know how many people have side effects like that where they constantly present that uh labade uh Spike protein and the craziness of society if for thinking no it's fine my doctor medical doctors don't know about mRNA nobody in general did until just they've heard of it like four years ago during Co so the doctors don't know what the hell they're talking about they're repeating what they've been taught they don't really understand it well in this why you couldn't get medical advice or I couldn't get medical advice from the doctor like how does it interact with this how about this does it do this how is it for fertility if you're trying to have kids what are the side effects of this well ended up in the testicles a lot of that lipano particle ended up in the testicles ended up in breast M they said that didn't happen was ending up in breast milk yeah uh saying it doesn't affect pregnancy how the hell do they know yeah how how could you vaccinate pregnant women with a truly experimental vaccine and in good faith say nothing to worry about here I mean at least be honest with them we don't know yeah that was the truthful statement and then if people want to take it I'm not knocking them I me there there was a lot of fear with Co I get it but let people have a choice and stop acting like you've got it figured out because you don't know [ __ ] yeah yeah that was disgusting we had the RSM at the time just as this was all starting was like bragging about having pressured this lady who was pregnant into getting the vaccine like while she was like trying to resist it and like his pressure from his position made her take it and he was very happy about this just like the most disgusting thing I'd ever heard yeah no it's it's it's pretty disgusting and I think that we shouldn't let this go for those that stood up against it because you know the powers at be are expecting us to just get over it and what they did was one of the most wrong things I've seen in my entire lifetime yeah uh they lied to people to get them to take an experimental vaccine and they could have gone with an old school antigen vaccine with a uh with an adant they could have done that they chose a new delivery mechanism that's I mean I this is where I'm torn I like Mr technology I like it I think it's pretty good I think it has a lot of potential yeah uh it's definitely not ready for the world to take every single person in the world 100% of the people take it and like give me break for cancer it's one thing Aus where you they're already uh facing the potential of of death but for the mass population it's insane yeah and they sold the hell out of it they caused division in Canada division in the United States division in the entire world they were pushing an agenda the entire time that was based on complete lies yeah I mean they lied and said it didn't come from a a lab we all know now it came from lab in Wuhan in America I don't know if it was like this in Canada if we were to say that it came from the lab in Wuhan we were racist for that yeah I remember that was that like yeah it was happening in Canada my gosh like and you know it's [ __ ] you're like no I'm just saying it came from a lab in China That's not racist the list is long like the lies that piled up it's just to look back at it is so crazy and I think you're right I don't think we should just forget about it I think it needs to be learned from you know and I actually think a lot of people even that bought into it at the tail end of it all were like oh [ __ ] like I was fooled you know which I as long as it can be recognized I think that's good moving forward with that information maybe don't trust your government as much next time yeah me Canadians could learn one lesson it's like don't trust your government I know you haven't had a violent overthrow over there but I mean you know don't vote for Trudeau I mean you well what is up with that is he um how does your system work to pick the Prime Minister uh well it's like a it's not a communist system as it appears to be it's just it's voted on the party cand four years six years four years I think this it seems like it's been a lifetime of Trudeau right now I don't at one point I almost just stopped following and I I actually don't like almost any politician very much it just seems like the Liars get there you know and it's like it's just such a a in my opinion it's such a broken system that we have anyway um you know it's just a person that makes all these decisions without the people's best interest in mind and we've lost sight of the fact that like the government is supposed to be for us for the people every single thing they do is supposed to be for the people like and it's just all these secretive things and money going places like they'll just send billions to [ __ ] you're like do you know how many Canadians worked how many hours so that that however many however many billions of dollars that's was spent on some dog [ __ ] is just wasted that's people working every single day and you're just like ah here's what we're going to right and it's you know there's corruption and stuff everywhere but like it's you know a lot of times to lie in their own pockets in another way down the road and or just push an agenda of their own and like it's do some virtue signaling thing yeah it's virtuous like let's protect the pregnant men it's yeah like oh my God and it's like just hardworking normal people are giving all their money to that and we don't even have a say really in the spectrum of like what's offered politically on where any of it goes anymore we've lost sight of it the government's just for itself and using the people versus being for the people of the country and it's it's it's like infuriating and you know I just I almost always just vote for Less taxes now just leave me the well yeah what are the taxes in Canada they're pretty high right they're pretty high and they're they're different Province to Province too um but they just they tax on top of everything and just like you're were to track a dollar you're tax is like probably 80 to 100% like if you just take a looney just like here's the federal tax portion here's the provincial tax portion here's the taxes you pay on the property you already own here's the taxes pay on every single thing you purchase here's the taxes you pay now on carbon here's the taxes on this like everything is taxed it's insane yeah and it's just slow enough that people are like ah [ __ ] and they're getting squeezed prices are high and people it's like a lot of people are having a really hard time but it's just like well what do we do you know maybe we'll vote for this other party next time and they'll lower the taxes a bit but it's it's I don't think it's enough with I don't know I don't know what kind of reset we need but we [ __ ] need one well they called it during Co the great reset yeah that was the world economic Forum WF uh the Charles was it schw Schwab uh he wrote a book called uh covid-19 the great reset I read the book a couple times audio bed it yeah it's just like they're telling us what their plan is they're saying how they plan to take over the world yeah CL Schwab that's CL Schwab yeah now yeah Charles Charles Schwab is a as a banker I actually I understand why it's enticing to people like reading that book you know if if you can have a centrally backed digital currency well that sounds pretty convenient yeah if you could have like you know all of the systems that they want to have in place where your life is just so convenient because of technology and you know this one world passport let's say or all the same let's just travel yeah okay I can I can get all that only if it's built on a system that's not corrupt which is not the case at all so it's it's dangerous all those things I despise because you can't trust the people putting them into place and the perfect example was if you don't go with the narrative the government of Canada will enact the emergencies act on its citizens and start [ __ ] trampling and arresting people so you're like yeah it's all great as long as you're following precisely what they want in your social credit system but like if you don't agree with something then you are [ __ ] right which is why that whole great reset thing like that's why people are resisting it yeah because the way you sell it sure oh that sounds so lovely sounds great only if it's not based on a corrupt system like if you had a community of people you trusted and just everywhere you went you're like beep beep beep digital currency and like they're not tracking anything they're not using it to tax and track every single one of your um transactions sounds convenient yeah I don't have to car wallet your cash hell yeah but it's it's on top of a level of corruption that like you can't implement it because we would just be [ __ ] ourselves so terribly well it gets me how much people actually trust the government yeah I mean it's like it sounds great if you completely trust the government yeah like oh the government would never do anything bad to me they would never lie to me yeah they would never kill me you know I mean you think about democide you know government killing their citizens I mean we're that's like the leading cause of death in the last 100 years what yeah it I mean like as far as uh uh uh heart attacks but I'm saying like as far as like killings like Wars no it's governments killing their own citizens wow yeah I mean think about China ma what 30 to 50 million people you think about Hitler Stalin melini yeah I guess they you know they they've all done it and um we have to be uh weary I mean that's what the the US Constitution is based on that they're like the government's always become too powerful yeah and our job is to protect people from the government that's why in the US we have our Second Amendment yeah people are so strong with it like no I'm not giving up my guns because it's my job to rise up against a tyrannical government yeah um so we have always like you know especially growing up in the South we've always had a healthy skepticism towards uh the government and I was talking to my buddy who's pretty pretty left and um you know he he sees things differently but when I explained that to him he's like really I didn't you know I didn't think that you know there were almost paraphrasing I didn't think there were people like that thought like you like yeah I don't trust the government for anything man and but he had a very kind well- intended yeah trust yeah it's the government they're just here to look out for us I just I can't even think of anything that they do better than like if someone just did it privately like I I really almost every aspect of the government and I worked for the government forever so I was in the military war I feel like there you know military it would be hard to do privately I still think we would do it better like it's just there's so much waste like I was in in the military for 16 and a half years and it's just like wasted money wasted time wasted resources all this bureaucracy layers of people that don't need to be there inefficiencies [ __ ] everywhere it's I actually think we would have a better Fighting Force if it was done privately interesting you think about the money that that we'd save I mean the US got about $800 billion a year budget somewhere around there and then there's money that goes to the Pentagon that they can't find every time they've done an audit it's failed miserably trillions of dollars just gone uh so yeah if it was owned by a private company they would be uh have a fiduciary duty for profits and to run it effectively so I could see that I think in principle I I get it I just question you know how it would actually run yeah well there's a lot of things that would need to be explored but like it's just I'm not convinced really in any way like I think there's a strong argument for almost any that is run by the government that it could just be done better right Community Based or private based somehow just because of the the layers and layers of inefficiency and waste right the bureaucracy I mean in the US we have I mean I guess we have Obamacare but it's a a a private Health Care System generally and the issues though it's not really private because the hospital groups have their lobbyists and they make laws that uh really kind of I'm going to use the word oppress but oppress the public in getting good good healthare and um you know having it be efficient yeah I mean we operate in Mexico um and what we're able to do it just it's so efficient man I mean all the bullshit's aside we're able to uh you know get the licensing that we need to get [ __ ] done yeah and uh we have a lot of people come from Canada uh to see us they're they're waiting months for certain uh you know surgeries or this or that oh yeah we I've chatted with a few people down here about you know they're like oh you have free healthcare though it must be so good and I'm was like I'd rather just pay for what I needed uh the system that we have and how long it takes to get anything and how backed up everything is and just like we don't get good service and we're paying for it anyway we talk about that yeah so what is um what is the healthcare like CU I hear one side say oh they have great health care in Canada but the fact is that you have to wait sometimes uh basically uh before it's it's too late yeah well there's people that die because they're waiting too long um it's just it's you know the world knows it as Canada has free healthcare for everyone but like we're still paying for it just comes out of our taxes we're just taxed more um and I don't know I think I think it almost offers less incentive for people to take their health into their own hands which I also don't like like I don't go to the doctor I don't know like I just it's not a part of my life you know and I'm still paying for it in in my taxes and the people that do go um it's like it's crazy long lineups and waiting lists to see Specialists for things and um you know living there I would rather just pay when I needed it for what I needed sort of thing and I know you guys have your issues with you know the price of certain whatever procedures and stuff but I just think there's probably a middle ground at least um Middle Ground is my Hospital yeah I mean it's that's where I can get you a surgery any surgery you need pretty much um we can do it at a reasonable price and I could probably get it set up within two or 3 days for you yeah holy [ __ ] you know so uh you know now we're small in in comparison to the entire system you know but uh it can be run really you know effectively and safely and uh high quality at an affordable price yeah so you ever need you know if you ever need Healthcare all right uh just come in Mexico in Mexico um but so let's go back to you being in the military and let's let's let's go back even further we were talking about a lot of the political issues that are going on but before that uh you know as a sniper when was your first uh what was your first sniper mission that you did uh that was going to Iraq when the when I was helping the Kurds there on the line um and it was two of us deployed myself and my my brother-in-law who was the TL and uh what does TL stand for the team leader okay so he's like the team leader of two of us still the term we Ed but he was in charge of me um yeah and it was it was that long range you know very like old school type of fighting in defense line and no man's Landing we were just we were using our sniper guns to reach out and using uh air strikes to Target Isis um and then the next time I went back to Iraq the the fight has been pushed back into mosul so they were gaining ground that had been taken by ISIS and was pushing them back you know and their last kind of stronghold when I was there the next two times or three times uh they were in mosul like on one side of the river and so we were on we were on this side they were on that side sort of you know there's still some Pockets intermixed here and there and we'd be doing stuff in the cities to go find them but mostly it was that and just trying to flush them out of their last stronghold which was in mosul um and that's where we made that that sniper shot from was that I think that was my second deployment to Iraq okay yeah so what year was and for those that don't know um you were part of like the world record sniper longest sniper shot yeah uh what year was that uh that was 2017 2017 okay and what yeah so what happened with that you uh I mean I saw the video that was released um was released recently right yes I actually released the video of the shot on my newest music video oh nice Amigo uh which is what I wrote that song about uh so it's on there and YouTube has not taken it down yet somehow nice uh it's it's not censored it is the video of the longest shot um but yes we were there uh in this position and we were just there to support the Iraqis that were pushing kind of north to south and we were perpendicular to that fight a lot of it like we were talking about before with sniping was it was just us doing surveillance learning The Ground Learning the city if we could Target someone with an air strike or or sniper fire we would um but when the fight really pushed off is when the Iraqis were starting to compress and push them out of like uh the old city like the downtown of mosul MH um and I remember we were watching so we could see the Iraqis pushing we see Isis fighting so we're watching this fight in the streets um and we started sending sniper rounds to like Isis Fighters that were firing at uh the Iraqis that were pushing we'd send rounds and they didn't know where it was coming from so they'd take cover and then we'd call an air strike and blow them up um but one of the rounds actually before that long shot my buddy sent a around and it ricocheted on the ground hit a guy in a leg and this was probably like 3700 M so whatever 2.3 or four miles dang and we're like holy [ __ ] like that's a long hit you hit the guy he dropped and one of their little medic motorbikes picked him up and took him off to wherever um and the fight just kind of got a little bit closer and closer was perpendicular but was getting a little closer to us and that's where we made the the shot was at 3,540 M 2.2 miles um and we were kind of we're already shooting so it was dialed in and uh I was telling you this before but it was ended up being a simultaneous sniper shot so I I saw this guy was a spotter on this the gun over here my buddy Scott was shooting and then just over to our our right six eight ft was uh Josh was on a gun and Ben was spotting so it was a fourman sniper team uh and I saw this guy we tried actually call an air strike on this building and it was uh it was like a dud like it didn't blow up and it was the only one of the tour that I'd seen that did that but so they were like squirting out of the building so from a second story window this guy was lowering his like chest rig you can see him lowering his his AK and he was going to drop down from the window onto this ledge and so I got Scott on that I gave him a wind call in his elevation told me when he was on and uh sniper stock but he's like Stand By and I say send it and he sends the round and they were doing it our buddies beside us simultaneously so we didn't know but it was like and these two rounds get sent and one of them hit and so I call hit because I'm spotting I'm like hit he's like holy [ __ ] and then they call hit I'm like that was us and they're like that was us it was a team effort but absolutely it was I'm like okay but on to the next targets cuz there were still guys and we just kept it was like I think it ended up being about 5 days five or six days where was like early in the morning 4: or 5: a.m. like the first call to prayer kind of thing then they would start fighting it would end at like noon or 1 and then it would just be chill all evening the next day so for like a week we just had all these sniper engagements uh supporting the Iraqis push Isis and it got a little bit closer and a little bit closer um so the long shot that like broke the record was 2.2 miles 3,540 M and then it just got a little closer and closer so saying this before we didn't really keep track after that but I bet you we broke the previous record like four or five times as cuz it was you know 3K and then 2800 M and you know I'm speaking in kilometers but it just slightly got closer and these engagements kept happening for you know a week or so wow and how long I mean if you shoot something that's over two miles away uh how fast is the bullet traveling how long yeah the time of flight was uh just about 10 seconds like 9.9 seconds to get to the Target yeah so he could have moved out of the way oh yeah but you wouldn't even hear it from so far away but it really was like he actually leaned over to pick up his gun and the round went through him it was a 50 cal round but like almost where You' try and shoot a deer and he just buckled and fell down this little Hill but is it true like with a 50 cal if if a bullet goes close by it still does damage so yeah we actually right after that shot uh I moved Scot onto another Target on an Alleyway and there was four guys that were stacking up and we sent around and it hit right between their heads now spotting it was I thought he had like a double kill or something like they cuz they all dropped like the round hit and they all hit the ground I was like uh hit I what the [ __ ] and they're they kind of shook it off like they were Shell Shocked a bit and like stumbled away and I was like it just the round hit right beside their heads uh and we watched because we had it on video watched again and again I'm like that is crazy like this and there's like one two three four guys stacked up um wow but yeah they all hit the ground like it it almost looked like there was some type of concussion or concussive wave or something yeah I've heard that before that you know some people say oh you don't need to hit somebody with a fitt c like I don't know about that but uh I've never been on the receiving end thankfully yeah than thankfully thankfully um what was that like so that was 2017 you you had the world record were you like uh did you get any awards from it from your uh no well like the chain command gave us like a coin like a cansoft coin or something and I'm like all right nothing from Trudeau though uh no well they put out the story of that shot uh maybe a week later or something in the news so the general and the Prime Minister were like yeah this good news story let's put it out which was stupid because we still had guys in that position and we had been replaced by well my brother-in-law Chris and his team and we were going home and they were taking that position to continue the fight and that came out in the news because of that they got uh attacked and they had to pull off the target like while getting these bombs dropped on them yeah good job Trudeau yeah thanks a lot again um so well let's move past that a little bit now Co happens um you kind of alluded to earlier but they roll out the vaccine and you say hey I need to learn more about this the doctors say you know we don't know much about it but you should take it and you say no um how long did that go on for before they actually kicked you out and were there other people within the unit that were doing the same thing yeah there was there was a couple couple of dudes that stood their ground um I was as soon as that started happening I went to a different parallel Exit Plan and started a medical release process um so they were going to fire anyone that didn't take the shot it became like a mandate in the Canadian Forces so I was like well instead of that I want to get immediately released medically um being kicked out of the unit was actually uh for a masking that so we had cuz I didn't I didn't let it get to picking me out of the Canadian Forces for not taking this thing I was on like a quick exit route medical release plan but I was still in the unit um I could go to work there's all these limitations but anyway we had like the same charade with masking that I'm sure some people had here and it would be like you know we could be having a conversation no masks everything's fine we're just guys we're going to go to to the shooting range or do [ __ ] jiujitsu and then if a certain person in the chain of command was coming oh everyone's got to mask up and blah and I was like right from the start I'm like I am not playing this game like that's we can all agree that that's stupid and guys's like yeah it is stupid but they really think so they would put on a mask I'm like but then why are you doing it right and so I just I was like this is so dumb I'm just not doing it um and so I was going to a meeting uh with our Co and RSM and all these people about why they were turning so I had talk to a doctor I found a doctor that would talk to me wasn't on our camp uh and he was like yeah I actually don't think from my medical advice that you should take this based on your your medical history and blah blah blah and he gave me an exemption mhm they didn't recognize it when I put it in and so I was going to meeting for them to tell me all the reasons why these were being declined and the meeting was in an office and in an office you had to wear a mask and I was just like yeah I'm not doing that and they're like well you have to and we had this conversation and I just asked are are Sam at the time like does everybody have masks on like absolutely I was like then you're all safe if they if they work right and if they don't then why are you telling me to put one on and it got a little heated and he uh he kicked me out and when what was his answer to that he didn't have one yeah he's like uh then he used my and I I was like on a first name basis with this guy but then he used like my rank you know master corpal I ended up getting kicked out of this I didn't have the meeting I kicked out of like the the office building I was in and then on my way out I called him outside which he did not take part in and then I was C him outside to fight him yeah that and it was the last day my pass ever worked that was the day I was kicked out of the unit I went to go back that like cuz all my gear was there I had a stall like we had stalls with gear and personal stuff like been there for 13 12 years 13 years yeah so like [ __ ] was there and they're just like no you can't come back on Camp MH and so like through a chain of command and text message they're trying to turn in gear and stuff's missing and I'm like I don't know you guys deal with it give me my [ __ ] back and that was the day I was kicked out of jtf2 in D Hill wow so I ended upking medically releasing uh before it could get to what they were calling a 5f release I think which is like you're not following an order for this vaccine so they and they expediated all like the normal uh ways of like so getting kicked out of the military there's like timelines right you're like 30 days if you don't fall over there's recourse and all this stuff but they like compressed all of that for this to kick people out faster yeah um but yeah that was just when I got kicked off for a mask wow like you look back it's just hilarious you yeah now it's like it it's very very well known that mass didn't do [ __ ] even Fouch is like Yeah well yeah yeah they had people wearing those cloth masks for a while that that came out complete [ __ ] I me at least with the n95 you could say well if change every four hours yeah and then who did you just like you take a dirty cloth thing out of your like cup holder in your and people like oh that looks disgusting oh yeah got your freaking bacteria just growing all over it basically a petri dish you know that have been funa T to uh yeah to to see what's actually in inside the mass but um yeah it's just just [ __ ] um so that got you out of that unit but what happened later um that were you kicked out did so that was me kicked out of the unit kicked out of like dwire Hill Training Center MH uh never to return again and then uh I was like Full Speed Ahead on a medical release process so I ended up medically releasing from the military not getting fired from the Canadian Forces Ah that's good yeah it was great for me I it upset some people yeah I mean this the guy that you knew for 12 years that was you know that you asked to go outside have you talked to him since no no no there's it's funny the the co so I went and did a podcast with Shawn Ryan after this all happened and actually leading up to it I consulted with probably 15 or 20 guys from the unit um including the currencio and I was like okay here's the podcast I'm going to go on he's got a big audience here's what we're going to talk about here's what I think you know I'm going to leave out some stuff because sensitive missions and stuff there's some stuff that would be obsti there's some stuff that's not ours to tell um I'm like here's I'm going to leave out is there anything I'm missing you know what I mean like so I don't want to actually have an operational security breach like like for real so I consulted with a bunch of people I'm like okay the caution was if you tell the covid story there will probably be a repercussion and I was like well I'm not asking your opinion on that because too [ __ ] bad kind of thing I'm like I'm telling that um and I think that's why there was such a big backlash I did this podcast they sent like a cease and assist to Sean Ryan the co called an emergency who sent the cease and assist to a lawyer from can softcom so our Special Operations Command okay um and the CE called in all of like the assaulters like all the the Special Operations guys and gave them an order forbidding them to talk to me or have contact with me um that was pretty funny cuz like I still got obviously friends and you know i' get like a random call like hey man what's up I'm like why are you calling me oh we just got given an order today not to talk to you so I thought I'd call and say hi or whatever like that's pretty cool um but yeah so like there's a bunch of people I've never seen again or like avoid you you sered with these guys for for so long I mean what I mean what do you think caused I mean the ones that were cool and just dealing with it but like a guy like that what caused him to get so soft I obeying orders I don't know it's like it's the I think there's there's a couple different types of soldiers that I've seen um and I would arguably not be a good one cuz in terms of just following orders like that was never my strong suit you know like I love deploying and the the job of going to kill bad guys that was for me the nonsense behind a lot of the military stuff was not for me and and a lot of people that are just you know good soldiers it's easy to say like follow my orders Soldier I'll go do my job and I think that is a big part of it um there was the brainwashing stuff that happened to everyone and some of that trickled in um people that really really believed in masks and really believed in the shot and all the boosters and really believed like no matter the lies that piled up around it it's just you know the people that stick to that yeah um so it was kind of a mix of everything I thought uh it's it's disappointing in the sense that like that's supposed to be our tier one unit mhm like that's not good if people are telling me they don't support something but they're going along with it like where does that leave you in terms of like how you wrestle with your morals or like are you the right person to be doing this job then like if you don't believe this but you're going along with it why yeah because the chain of command says so like is that the right thing I don't know and like some soldiers will say well yeah you got to follow orders and I'm like no [ __ ] that like yeah and well when do you when is when do you say no yeah you know you have to stand for something and if yeah ultimately it's completely against what you stand for and all it was was freedom is I was saying I'm just like I just I do believe in Freedom everybody I do believe in it so that's what I'm just trying to say like we should in this particular case in my opinion trying to be as open-minded as possible we should just be able to be free to make this decision on what is injected into our body on your own I mean that's it you know I didn't mind of course anybody getting it and I I respect their their decision totally uh what I didn't like is you know the mini Trudeau that came out of it you know it's like uh Trudeau they're Heroes they want to act just like oh and uh so they want to be the little dictator and chief saying you got to put your mask on you got to do this you know I felt like in many ways it was like Revenge of the Nerds because we got a bunch of nerds coming at us well and I look too that's funny you say I look at the demographic of like people just observing you know the people that are like in my group or that are the type of people that we're turning down and I'm like yeah I'd rather be over here I think for the most part people that are like looking out for their health and looking at stuff and it's like especially at first there was no like oh this is a big political conspiracy I'm just like assessing my own health we buy organic food and drink good water like we do all these things take a bunch of supplement I try to take care of myself not to just be injected with some random [ __ ] and I'm like okay is this better for my health I think no let me talk to a doctor can't get any advice it's just was so weird I'm just there was no heat behind it you know there was no like right-wing leftwing medical Corporation there's just I don't think this is what I need for my health yeah I made this decision and then you're just like you're a criminal that's exactly what they did um and then you know you you were talking about um the Shawn Ryan Show and The blowback I mean that was actually a really big deal that was a a big story uh they sent you and Shawn a letter uh they didn't send me a letter no they sent it to Shawn Ryan uh he sent me a copy of it or like showed me a copy of it um the and what did they threaten on in that letter it was the letter said that you know he had to take down this episode because there was an operational security breach according to whatever the Canadian I can't remember if it was like the Special Operations Command or whatever but there was it actually said in there something about his majesty the king or something because of like our chain of command structure in Canada we're still under like the the royalty rule or whatever it's more of like a a symbol thing but anyway it's funny to read in a letter like yeah exactly it's funny to read in a letter that like under his Majesty's the king's orders blah blah blah uh so I had a good laugh about it but yeah uh it just said that there was an operational security breach within the information and he was like okay let's go back and forth and tell me what it is and they couldn't find anything because everything was already open sourced everything was like the stuff I had posted stuff I had talked to people about it stuff that kof puts in recruiting videos it's all of like it was just [ __ ] because they didn't want the co story out with it yeah um but yeah it was a funny funny interesting time uh I was I I keep getting information from you know the unit and people and places and stuff but it's just like there's another investigation they're doing another one on you to see if this or that or like someone might come talk to you and it's he just weak soft people man it's like just get over it I'm like I mean it's not like like if if someone's looking at this objectively you're not a bad dude you fought for the country you didn't want to get a damn vaccine you had some jerk telling you to wear a mask yeah like yeah I mean but there's way worse things out there yeah like spend your time on better [ __ ] guys like come on man go do some counterterrorism stuff yeah I'm sure they're you know they're Patriots too you know they're you they're they're risking their life for their country you know ego's a hell of a thing yeah and you know ultimately um you know your actions and standing up for your beliefs uh it busted a lot of egos you know one they didn't own you yeah so they didn't have complete power over you that internally upset them to there's a jealousy component because they wish they would have the courage in that way that you have as well I mean a lot of the guys you know this isn't knocking the guys that stayed in that didn't really want to but we they had their reasons for doing it I totally get that too that's life we make decisions sometimes we you know maybe we don't stand up but maybe internally they're upset about it like I wish I would have done what Dallas did Fair that's a human thing but the ones that keep attacking and you know it's just just a low vibration man yeah yeah I agree with that totally low vibration I mean you got a you risked you know pretty much everything for It ultimately you're like I'm willing to risk my career you know yeah well I think it it came back to what we talked about way earlier just like I'll be all right you know I'll be all right yeah came from not fancy things I can go back to not fancy things for a while you know if it all came down it's like you're not getting paid anymore you're not going to find your own way I'll figure it out yeah I mean you have a good good family too right you've been uh married you have uh two I have four four kids two teenage boys um and two young ones okay busy how how is how is that raising them uh how was it raising them in the middle of all all of that too uh I thought it was I thought it was good like so for my boys being uh older I was happy that I stood up for what I believe and what I told them I believe and they saw it now they saw that there's repercussions if you do that which also good to see um I thought I thought it was I think it was a good lesson you know and they they took their own stances in places and I'm like you also like I'm open to discuss like if this is you know I didn't want them to get it cuz didn't [ __ ] need it but also like let's talk about what you're hearing what is like what thinking what are you what are you hearing at school what are your teachers telling you what is your opinion on it and it doesn't have to be my opinion um so I think for them I think it was it was a good thing to see as crazy as it was um and then for the young ones they're not going to remember like my daughter's three my son's N9 months old um but for them we just got to spend a lot of time together and like it really I didn't find it we didn't follow the rules anyway yeah so was like you're lock down I'm like no I'm not it's like says who yeah go to hell so we would just have the park all to ourself or whatever you know like it was just we got to spend a lot of time with with the kids so looking back there's it's more pluses in my person like in my life than negatives from this thing like the fact that I lost that job great it became a place I don't want to work anyway and now I do music fulltime it just my yeah that's right I spend time with my family and I play music and it's like it's amazing it's all just a huge blessing I mean you got to think about how old are you now 41 41 I mean in 20 or 30 years you're going to look back at this and you're going to be proud you know it's going to be a story your your kids get to tell too yeah like my dad wouldn't wear a mask yeah seriously though man I mean that was that's cool though because you're teaching them you know good lessons about standing up for what you believe in what's right and what's wrong and I mean they're going to be proud of you for that so um there's nothing that's worth more than that you know and uh and like you said they learn they're going to learned some lessons from it as well like you know what they might be in a tough spot where they got to make a decision think about what would my dad do well my dad one time yeah well they had some like you know they didn't want to wear masks either and uh they would go places and like there's going to be confrontation then MH so you might have have to deal with that which I also think is good anyway you know hey put on a mask I don't want to and I was like that could be very intimidating at a young age so yeah yeah it's all pluses those are all pluses been I had some fun hilarious MTH stories so uh the when it first happened like uh well when Co was first going down you know people were getting really serious about the mass and you remember fouchy said Mass don't work then he said Mass do work and then I mean it was like and so I started this thing called mask Patrol I did it very briefly and I got death threats so that's like it's not really worth the death threats but we'd go around and uh we were leasing this house in uh California for a very uh it was like a a one-month rental we had a balcony and um it was uh in San Diego and I would be standing on the balcony um and people would be walking down the street and like excuse me uh and I'm have no mask on uh can you put a mask on like there like CDC recommendations you know the particles can travel hundreds of miles and people would put their mask on WE video it you know oh and uh I mean the comments were hysterical and uh but you no I thought it was funny I actually really wanted I wish now I wish I would have pushed that issue harder because but back then it was a little scary to do because you're getting people threatening to kill you and you know threatening like they're like looking like they're just like looking for anything thing I'm like ah I got a lot of work going on right now you know we were in some financial trouble at the time but um I mean it was people got super super serious about the mass the first flight I ever took during covid it was April of 2020 and um the planes were empty like nobody was traveling and so uh I used I like to fight first class so the only people that were traveling were those that normally flew first class so the entire back of the plane were was empty first class was full jammed and so we're like you know up here we're all wearing masks and stuff and and we're sitting next to each other so I mean we're here you know there's we're we're sitting next to each other the social distancing doesn't make any sense at this point and I'm getting off of the plane like you know we we we stop get my bags from above and the guy's like uh yells at me he's like so much for the six feet you know I'm like I pulled my mask and I was like [ __ ] off but I mean it was like a boiling point you know at that point the insanity that was going on in the world man but um I remember just drinking like coffee for like four hours CU every time a flight attendant would come around I just take a sip and I wouldn't have a mask on just like that's right ah actively drinking yeah exactly I put it back down and then ah long coffees did the flight attendants were crazy too I mean now I respect that they had a job to do I mean that's that's their job you know but they're basically the you know the the mass Nazis oh yeah and um a lot of them took it a little too serious though and you could tell there were some who just like I love this I love telling you to put your mask on put your mask on I ended up bringing I remember i' bring like a light blanket and I would just cover it over I just had a little tent and like watch a movie under there and like drink my coffee or whatever and just like sir yes like they can't see if you're wearing a mask it's right these little airplane tents I would bring with me yeah all the all the tricks of the of the travel trade I mean yeah it was pretty wild because you're supposed to be six feet we're supposed to be social distancing but we're all in this little tube yeah and we're sharing the same air even though it's supposed to be I I don't know if I believe that yeah and and then adding up here it was funny too because you know there was a time and we forget you know we're kind of trying to move on with our lives but you forget all the little things but when someone would get Co and they blame somebody this this person gave me Co I had a friend and she's you she's a good old friend but she went on social media blaming the person next to me was coughing and took his mask down and he's the reason I have covid it's like you're like double vaxed and yeah you know all of those things well it's funny and I I like to I'd like to know how many people that were so adamant are on their like recommend and now would be like eighth booster or something right if you get it every six month it's less than I think it's less than uh 5% of the whole population yeah and there was more than 5% that were going crazy on me for being a dirty super spreader well it's like if you're supposed to be following the the rules and science why haven't you taken every yeah vaccine yeah and uh you know we were talking about the MRNA earlier but it's not a uh uh a durable type response so it generally goes away pretty quick um that's why you have to get you know so many of those and then you talked about having covid twice there's nothing better than natural immunity yeah and there were studies that backed that up I mean the it was an Israeli trial that showed it to be 27 times more effective than the vaccine yeah and that was a forbidden word for a while on the internet natural immunity yeah you use those you were a crazy consp you're a crazy person it's like but that's when you know you're right there's a couple that I knew I was right then one was because I understood natural immunity and was like no there's just these people are crazy that say that yeah and the other thing is when they say that men can get pregnant yeah I'm like listen you're on the wrong side of history on that one you're full of [ __ ] like this is a fan yeah a fad but there think about it oh God there's people that are like trying to convince you that this is normal do whatever you want I have no nothing against a man that wants to pretend that he's pregnant but men can't get pregnant yeah do you agree with that I would agree with that comment yes there's not a baby growing oh the fact that that's part of a conversation is just like it makes me laugh that this is where we've come to yeah wild it it is pretty wild man I mean that whole but it's the same type of people like the same people that are saying men can get pregnant are the same people telling you you had to wear your mask that you had to get the vaccine oh it's the same group for sure yeah they're the loudest actually look behind you there oh [ __ ] I guess I was wrong is that let's see okay so the one on the left is a biological woman but it looks like a man so confused that is brave well they look happy you know they do look happy and I hope they are happy but doesn't mean I have to buy that it's it's a thing I agree um so let's move on a little bit the um your um your music career you're coming to Nashville a lot now yeah uh um when did you start playing music I did my first open mic 2019 mhm so I uh I'd seen that our unit that I was in the military was starting to change in a way that just wasn't for me um and simultaneous to that I started recognizing live music more I've always loved music but I I saw that like oh man there's like a bunch of people doing this as a job and I also started messing around with songwriting a bit and I found it very like like therapeutic um so I started going to open mics and it was almost like the same thing when I heard about our special operations unit I was just like that's what I'm doing I deci and I was like music is what I'm doing like my focus changed completely and I was still at work like in the in the military but I was playing like after a million open mics and I learned enough songs to be able to play for three hours at a pub or a bar just reached out to every bar everywhere to see if I could play and started booking stuff and playing like four or five nights a week like I'd go to work and shoot and train and fight and then I would go set up my stuff and play at a pub or a bar or a lounge or whatever and write songs and just took all that Focus that I had and that stuff and put into music so since 2019 I've been like every day giving her as if it's my passion because it is great um and that led me to start coming down here in Nashville uh last year writing with people connecting with people and now it's it's rolling along nicely yeah and you're you're looking for a place uh this fall yeah uh to stay for a month uh I think for a year for a year yeah oh that's cool I just spent all of March here uh the whole month of March I was doing songwriting just about every day with different writers around town stuff like that playing some open uh or the writers rounds and so I think the next step to make sense is come down here for a year and and play we got a Visa play in the States now um so anyone out there who needs a musician wherever the camera is at let me know uh we can legally come and play shows and get paid and be down here as artists so nice and I guess you know the goal is what to eventually get a record deal like if you were to you to have a vis like what is it that you want I want what I'm doing right now like I I'm really uh in a cliche saying just enjoying the journey like it's going at the right pace we're getting you know play I love playing shows I love playing live and connecting with people through music and songs uh that I write and I also think it's something that will not be replaced by AI or anything like that like that connection that happens at a real live music event uh I love that so we I want to tour around and play and uh you know this the streaming and the social media and stuff and the income from that helps with touring and stuff but it's not a goal to like you know gold record or number one or whatever they call it now I just I want to write songs that are honest to me and go play people play them two people and connect through music it's my goal and we're doing it now and it's just it just keeps incrementally getting a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger and I like the the pace that it's on that's awesome that's awesome I mean I guess you starting in 2019 uh I mean and just five years later moving to Nashville but it what what kind of strikes me is you started playing over you got the repetition in over and over you had a three hour set over and over and so you know a lot of people don't realize uh live music is well of course it's an art but it's it's very um uh takes a lot of practice oh yeah to get right with the crowd and to read them and to uh hit the notes at the right time Etc right absolutely how how long did it take you to kind of figure that out probably way longer than it took most people uh that's why I played so many bars though like from my favorite artists listening to them and the story about like you know just getting out there to play sometimes the bars are empty sometimes they're full sometimes people are paying attention sometimes they're not uh and just learning that how to interact with people in front of you or tell your story um and it's you just can't trade that practice I you know you see there's a lot of because of social media things like Tik Tok were blowing up really fast and they're playing in front of so many people without having ever played and and you see it sometimes where it's like this uncomfortable uh live show thing and I've seen people walk away from it and be like I'm just doing like streaming music because that whole business is crazy but I started Open Mic playing five people that weren't even listening and then I've played in bars where it was only the bartender and like a waitress I'm like you want me to keep playing like you guys are paying me but you know and then to full places and to thousands of people now having gone on tour with some some bigger artists and it's it's just it takes so much repetition like it it took me it's I'm still learning it actually you want to know how long it took me still to now of course it's something that excites me about music too is like you can I practice every day MH and I'm not going to master it before I die you won't Master music so it's like this eternal growth and you can just keep learning and keep getting better and keep uh you know being that conduit creativity from wherever creative stuff comes from and the better I get the more I can express what I'm you know what's coming through as a song or whatever so as I practice on guitar I can just write better songs get better as a singer I can just write better songs get better as a songwriter and knowing song structure and all these things I could just it makes me express my creativity that much better yeah I mean I guess um you know you get the repetition thing from well uh the military had to help with that as far as like it takes a lot of practice you know when did you start playing the guitar uh I started quite a while I think I was the I still have my first guitar I ever bought and it was I think I was like 18 or something um but I never really you know like lots of people that just have a guitar and it sits in the corner of the the room I remember I'd learn a couple chords and then I would you know life I I didn't practice I'm like oh yeah I think I remember how to play like a G chord and I think that's a d and thankfully with country you don't need many chords anyway but so I would just mess around with it sometimes but I remember very clear like and I played like uh I didn't play guitar but in a high school band with some friends I would sing um but I just never really thought about music you know in my adult life being a thing you could do um I remember like a very clear 2019 I was like this is what I'm doing and then I started every day since then I play or practice or listen or write or or do something um and it is that's repetition like that's how I got halfway decent at shooting guns in the military and just I just new getting into it I'm like I'm learning a completely new business a completely new art form all kinds of things and I came down here as very inspiring and encouraging but also intimidating like there's sometimes I'll watch a show and I'm like why am I doing this like I should quit these people are so good and then sometimes I have a great show I'm like yeah yeah I belong here I can hang here it's just good I I love that with live music and with learning it all it's just you're always out of your comfort zon mhm um and so the the repetitions help with that you know the first time nobody clapped or whatever you're like w that's awkward just like boo hey [ __ ] you buddy uh you just get used to like these little things and you're like ah this bothers me as much then you're you know playing to more people and it's a different comfort zone thing and then like an intimate show your storytelling and songwriting it's another comfort zone you're just expanding that and I really like that about music as well and those reps just help with all of that talk about comfort zone I mean that's actually something I really believe in is you know the only way we really find something that moves us as to get out of our comfort zone totally to put the risk out there talk about that a little bit well it's I I've noticed a pattern in my own life and anytime I Shi away from things that were uncomfortable the results were something where I'm like it could have been better or you know trying to regret a bunch of [ __ ] but like I could have done that better and anytime I lean into something that's uncomfortable it almost always is uh a result where I'm like I'm proud of that you know like from my the first open mic I did in 2019 hand on my heart was the scariest [ __ ] I've ever done in my whole life I've [ __ ] jumped out of airplanes in the middle of the night I've gone deployed overseas and gone into people's house just like an open mic to like seven people is the scariest [ __ ] I have ever done I try to talk myself out of it like four times going up I'd already signed up and I'm like no I'm leaving and then I'm just like okay I'm going to do it like it was terrifying um and but if I wouldn't have done that I wouldn't have done the next one and the next one and the next show and come down to Nashville and wrote songs and go on tour and like it's just it's only because of that pushing of my comfort zone and I the pattern like it was like that in hockey when I played growing up and it was like that in the military a lot out of my comfort zone a lot of times yeah um and I've just always found that when I do it even is down to something as simple as an uncomfortable conversation you do it and you get better at it but it's always a better result you know I've never been like ah wish I didn't have that uncomfortable conversation right I've not once thought that right going into this uncomfortable space the result has never been like I regret that just always been positive so yeah now it's uh it's interesting because there's a leadership course I did and a lot of it's about getting out of your comfort zone and uh you know a lot of people get so stuck in their comfort zone they're afraid to go uh they're afraid to go out of it and really they're just kind of imprisoning their their their growth because they're stuck within this you know specific uh way of of thinking and uh so a lot of people they need to hear it like if you want to find you know certain happiness or success got to get out of your comfort zone yeah because staying where you're at you know it's same I almost let it guide me now like oh that makes me feel uncomfortable like oh that's the way to go like there's an easy way and then there's this way where I'm like ah just a little bit hesitant and it's it's always been the right turn to take I have found for me anyway that's awesome anything else you want to uh say before we wrap this no man I'm glad we got to do this after chatting about it for a while and uh super cool thanks for having me it's been an awesome conversation yeah I'm glad you're in Nashville and coming down here more we'll have to hang out more and you know thanks for doing what you did because you know on multiple levels but uh we need people to stand up to tyranny yeah and we saw that not a lot of people who are willing to and so um I know it's inspirational to a lot of people and uh I'm excited about even your kids seeing it because they're like yeah that's my dad you know like that's a great lesson and you know a lot of people can look at that and take that along with them because you did stand up to the man you know it's like the ultimate man it's like the prime minister of your country and the the uh people in the um in in the unit that were I don't know uh whatever they were kind of weak minded at the time and uh you know that's not easy and I want to be around people like that like that that you know you're my type of person somebody who is actually GNA um put their money where their mouth is basically and um so yeah thank you for that and thanks for coming on the podcast hell yeah man thanks for having me it's awesome all right thank you