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when you say like uh you know that art is trash I mean it isn't that subjective though I mean it

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isn't no no why not be beauty is not in the eye of the beholder there's objective Beauty for example uh I did

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Art basil in 2019 but the biggest uh story headline for that art basil was

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there's a banana duct tape to a wall that was sold for $150,000 right mhm now only a person who

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believes that gender is a social construct that wh skin defact still

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makes you evil that children can consent to gender reassignment surgery only a

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person who believes that level of thinking can buy that that's art in the

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first place but to any sane person who cares about tradition or who is brought

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you know brought up proper that's insulting to your intelligence

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right Arthur Quan Lee welcome to the podcast thanks for having me on brother man I'm I'm glad that you're uh you were

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able to fly in and uh you know be here how how was the how was the flight it

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was nice uh I come to Nashville three times a year because a lot of my creative peers live here and I love this

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city I love Nashville you've been coming here for for a while I would say the past four years

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I've been coming several times okay yeah nice now where uh where did you grow up

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like uh you what part was it the I grew up I grew up in Northern Virginia and I

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was very close to DC like a 15 20 minute hike from DC so I grew up being very

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close to some of the W culture we talked about pre-show and uh I ended up getting

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into art obviously and went to art school at GW and then I started my art

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career and most of My Success came from when I went to New York City so I've been in the east East Coast in the

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Virginia New York area uh DC New York area that's where I did most of my

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career as a finer painter okay and uh just for the the viewers to know I mean

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you were uh you are a very successful artist uh awardwinning artist and you

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got cancelled basically right uh from that scene so um and we'll go into the

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the all of that here in a little bit but I wanted to kind of give some context uh if people are just you know starting to

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listen so uh you you went to GW um you kind of started on the scene where did

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you go from there well um I I I'll first say that when I went to art school I you

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know I knew I was going to be an artist because I was always sort of introverted

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minded I always wanted to do something individual that's why I like martial arts that's why I like painting I knew I

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wanted to um explore that that frame so when I became an artist um what when I

Attending George Washington University for Art College, Current State of The Art World

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went to George Washington University the first thing I noticed was it was basically a leftist indoctrination

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Center for activist training and I realized that art college today is not

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actual art training so I immediately had one foot now in the

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door towards like caring about culture in a much deeper way because I became an

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artist for a very innocent reason because I love painting it was almost self- therapeutic at that way you know I

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was against government school since I was a kid I was very aware of that and being cognizant of that I knew I wanted to work for myself so I'm an artist here

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and I go to this Art University assuming to learn from greater Masters and what

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am I exposed to I'm exposed to this radical left postmodern ideology and right there I

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realized that the art World in its modernity has a can of

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worms that needs to be fought so uh that was sort of the beginning of my journey as this strange Warrior Artist in the

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culture so I don't know if that answers your question no it does it answers part of it so when you when you went to the

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art school and you saw this agenda culture agenda being pushed did you give

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push back at school so um I would say what I learned in art

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university is social camouflage I learned to blend in so I

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won't be awesome exercise and in a way it's because I was being kind of beta is I wasn't speaking my mind as openly as I

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am now now now I'm super Unapologetic now I speak my mind on whatever I feel like talking about now and I became an

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artist to maximize Freedom right so uh I I just Blended in and you

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know I realize today that that excuse me this is me looking in retrospect all of

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the institutions in the art world including the colleges that we're talking talking

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about they're all arms of propaganda and they're all basically a way to train

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artists to become disseminators of this degenerate culture that we have today

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and um so I just Blended in and that was sort of my training towards how I'm going to fit into the art world because

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after Art University I started my career started talking with galleries started smoing shmooing with these dealers and

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curators and I noticed it was even worse because there's now this wrongful

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Association towards art education and working with galleries when previously

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before the Frankfurt School created art universities artists were like a till a

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based you know you just trained under a master and you developed your skills and now it's um how can you be utilizing

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your talent from the lens of an ideologue which tells you about the

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culture yeah well I mean in the ideologue you know it's it's it's only one type too right

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yeah it's the Looney left yeah you know it's the Looney left but um it's not

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only leftism and it's not only like see what I will say is all of these these

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branches whether it's leftism feminism the the the race virtue

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signaling through BLM all these different identity groups they're all under the blanket of

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collectivism and what I came to see both in art school and became more

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fully articulated the more competent I be I became in understanding this game in the art industry is that all art all

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art and art art history art history as well it's this tug-of-war between

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collectivism and the soul and what I mean by that is when you look at Aesthetics that plays out as well like

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basically the two polarities in the art game it's aesthetic relativity and Universal standards

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and what I am saying is that we have this false belief that ideology is separate from

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Aesthetics right so you'll think okay this person believes X Y and Z and then they produce this type of art no the

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people who are producing this hogwash on the wall where you see like splatters of paint being sold for half a million

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dollars those can only be produced by very left laning thinkers H because at

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like for example if you see art produced by a conservative they're conservatives so they believe in

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tradition you know so the facto there's a pedagogical standard they want to produce from so now there's techniques

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and skills associated with that you see what I'm saying so often we think that Aesthetics and ideology are separate but

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they're the same thing and what I saw in the art world as a person who's a Defector from the New York City Art

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world is that the reason why all the art is such crap today is because all the

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propound everyone in the game is brainwashed by the dominant narrative so

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of course the artist C crap so I was already displaced in that way and when I

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started to speak up against it that's when things got rocky so I started to

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come out of my social camouflage armor and that's when I was starting to burn

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Bridges little by little yeah when you say like uh you know that art is trash I mean it

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isn't that subjective though I mean it isn't no no why not be beauty is not in the eye of the beholder there's

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objective Beauty and for example uh I did Art basil in

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2019 and the biggest story during that show there's an art show called scope I was showing in one of those booths but

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the biggest uh story headline for that art basil was there's a banana duct tape

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to a wall that was sold for $150,000 right M now only a person who

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believes that gender is a social construct that wh skin de facto makes

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you evil that children can consent to gender reassignment surgery only a person who believes that level of

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thinking can buy that that's art in the first place but to any sane person who

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cares about tradition or who is brought you know brought up proper that's

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insulting to your intelligence right and uh yeah beauty is not subjective you

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know art is not a relative thing that's um an ideology pushed by postmodern

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thinking actually you're talking about like uh you know the the paint color is put together and you know the

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um you might like something like or you might not like that let's say that I like something like that I mean is is

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that that part is subjective right here's what I'll say um art can be

Philosophies on Art and Aesthetics, Propaganda Through Art

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beautifully beautiful in a decorative sense M right so so there's decorative art and that's that's fine you know um

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and that's all Aesthetics that's all formalism right but there's also contextualism and I guess what I'm I'm

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saying is that ideal art it's there's a statement associated with it there's a story there's meaning so there's form

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and there's context so whenever you see a traditional critique whenever you go to any legitimate art school when

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they're doing critiques it's basically when all the Arts students and the professors are breaking down the composition so that we can become better

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artists right and they always function um from the lens of formalism and

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contextualism and there's a degree of you know subjectivity on the formal end

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um but ultimately there is a better way of

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drawing proportions there is a better way of capturing values and contrast and showing lighting and how to use your

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brush and there's there is a superiority of technical skills and how you should uh act it out so it's kind of like a a a

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blue belt doing an arm bar and a black belt doing an armb bar 100% yeah I got that yeah yeah so so you know it's like

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it's like a white belt coming up to you and saying like Yeah but isn't Jiu-Jitsu subjective all right and you're going to be like oh man this guy has no idea

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right I'm a white Bel in art for sure yeah no no no no but but but there's uh parallels and um it's like Masashi says

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you know once you understand away deeply you see it in all things sure and um I'm a judoka myself so I I've it sounds

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funny but I've always seen connections with martial training and Visual Arts at least cortically from a cerebral lens

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and um the the the push towards aesthetic

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relativism is always being pushed from one side because that's the only way

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they can win the culture because in all actuality High culture belongs

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to those who want to preserve tradition like when you look at all the greatest

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Timeless masterpieces throughout history they're always undergraded by religious subject matter for

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example there's a reason for that right it's passed down and it's because

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there's a standard where we have to make the art Point upwards now you look at all these other artists who are often

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paid by the CIA by the way Warhol Pollock all of these people they're trying to push out were paid by the CIA

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um they were they're CIA agents you know you know again I'm telling you right now when you study art history from the lens

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of spiritual artists versus utilizing creative class for propagandistic

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reasons sure it it's it's very telling I can say but like so uh Andy Warhol like

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is it like are there documents that show him being uh in the CIA like is it a

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like what's yeah yeah now it's public record okay it's public record yeah yeah these artists were you know basically

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put out to create like just produce a cult of ugliness interesting because

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what that does to the people so a lot of people don't understand like what like okay we can let's let's go very simple

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here like like what would you say is the purpose of Art and Fine Art what is

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the purpose of art that's an open-ended question but what would you say is a purpose of art um gosh that's a good

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question to to give Beauty to the world um

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to make people think in a different way um yeah

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to you know create an emotion uh with something visual that uh

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doesn't necessar have to be visual but create an emotion with the with the piece so so um I would say the first

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thing you said in you know regards to trying to create Beauty that's ideal but

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I would say across the board all mediums whether it's comedy whether it's

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watching a theatrical performance on Broadway painting we're not talking about

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decorative art by the way I I was thinking more of like yeah yeah well well I would say all art is to normalize

The Purpose of Art, The Frankfurt School, Going to NYC

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values okay so all art in general to normalize

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values that that that is see because it's it's a form of Seduction it's not

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it's not logical you're watching art in a relaxed state so there's it's

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influencing you and and it's pulling at you romantically and the reason why many

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artists have always been used for propagandistic reasons especially by those who want to you know utilize

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communist values it's because they're going to pregenerate a certain value

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structure um here we can look at it from a modern sense we don't even need to look at our history like if you look at

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the right versus the left today anytime there's a debate on politicon whatever it is they're right

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they focus on spreadsheeting and pie charts data economic based data you know

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facts don't care about your feelings right the left they know they will lose the economic argument so they don't even

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put any effort into that actually they just would rather have control of big Tech Academia Hollywood entertainment

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and art gallery so therefore you're controlling all the cultural institutions so you can actually direct

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the culture and young people especially yeah so so while we repeat this Mantra that fact you know like that politics is

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Downy from culture okay well they're going to just hijack the culture and

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keep winning in that regard yeah and this is why they're effective because we don't understand that like you know we

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can win romantically as well and I think there's more weight in there to be honest but don't you think too that the

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Republicans you know uh or conservatives I mean they're pretty full of [ __ ] too

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oh yeah no I don't consider my a conserv myself a conser I was just saying giv though you're the right and the

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left in in the United States Republican Democrat you know I'm I'm not they're

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full of [ __ ] yeah and it's like you know so you lose the people on the left that may be you know uh influenced culturally

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by these institutions because you're not consistent you're not actually following

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what uh what you say that you you believe in yeah I guess I I'm I'm pointing out a

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uh a serious Pitfall I see in regards to critiquing strategy MH and when I look

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when I'm giving this diagnosis I see that this is where the right Falls mhm you know they don't they don't

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appreciate the power of Aesthetics in art they don't utilize that to their advantage and I'm saying this as a

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person who's not necessarily conservative you know um but um obviously the left they're

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they're lacking all their uh their numbers the data ticians right because it's a losing argument but I I'm just

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saying this because I noticed that there's people who understand how to utilize a creative

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class and there's those who do not that's all I'm saying yeah I know it's it's an interesting thought um because

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they have have hijacked all of those things um 100% I mean as as you were

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talking about going through school how long do you think they've been planning this for though oh oh oh they've been

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doing it um since the Inception of the Frankfurt School if we're going to talk about us history when was that so so the

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Frankfurt School uh well I'll speak from A Fine Art dimension for example like I was mentioning that like art art

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education for example uh that was produced by a guy named John Murphy and

17:39

and he was a member of the Frankfurt School in 1937 he wrote Art and the social world and he actually writes in this essay that the function of Define

17:47

artist should transition from transition should should shift

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from um spiritual servitude to political activism he blatantly writes that and

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and it goes to show you because that's the substrate that all these art academic professors and all their art

18:04

theories use that was the foundation interesting and yeah so there's and it's only the reasons for this you know what

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I'm saying yeah I it's it's the only political activism that they believe in too it's not like you know you have to

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have these specific views to for them to accept you 100% that's why I got kicked

18:24

out too and and my story is not uncommon like I I I know a lot of other artists I know this one photographer she was

18:31

kicked out for being based as well and you know me getting kicked out I mean

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obviously like like people often ask like what's the moment that caused you

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to be ostracized from these art dealers and I have a hard time pinpointing that

18:48

because it's like if I ask like why did you get divorced it's actually a beta tization through a thousand concessions

18:54

it's you know what I mean it's multiple things that add it up that caus this moment to actually be in castigated mhm so for me I can name a couple stories

19:01

where I burned bridges that are more that are more uh I guess out there but but it was much

19:08

more the fact that you have to spend so much time with these art dealers and they just want to control you they want

19:15

to control you ideologically and you have to keep repeating their sentiments

19:21

like like a parrot you know people don't understand you hang out with your art theaters like several times a week yeah

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so so that's a lot of time and I'm like do I want to keep doing this you know yeah I mean I guess so you went to New

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York City after art school yeah well I spent um like a couple years after art school just trying to make it work in DC

19:41

and I realized the art scene there was nothing compared to New York because I was always I ended up shipping work to

19:46

do group shows at that stage to New York so I was like I had to be in New York okay yeah and so what when did when was

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this when did you go to New York um I got to do the math it's been a

19:58

while while um 2017 18 something of that sort okay

20:05

so you go to New York around 2017 um I guess three years later or so

20:10

and and from 2017 2018 2019 were you already kind of

20:17

Making Waves because you won what award did you wi I won artist of the year in 2020 okay so this is recent but like

20:23

this is a fresh thing I'm doing with Ed clay right now yeah that's awesome yeah in 2020 I went artist of the year from the e Kaminsky Family Foundation and

20:30

they're really reputable Residency program internationally known and that was a big deal for me because that's

20:35

what caused these dealers and white hot magazine biggest art magazine in New York like all these people started to

20:41

cover me because of that and I was kind of like the new kid in the block and I ended up also with that momentum to add

20:47

to this to the context I was going to get sushi and and hang out at these like

20:52

nice fancy places with George B who's literally the artart dealer now laundering money with for Hunter Biden's

20:58

art like I was hanging with all these people that were you know I wouldn't say agree with them morally in any way but

21:05

they had money they had money and they were uh smoing me and building me up letting me know that you know are a kid

21:13

you know you can uh be a part of this game with us um but they're they're

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repugnant to me as human beings yeah so what was that so from 2017 to 2020 you're kind of working the scene you're

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networking you're you know kind of filling things out you know you're probably having your uh you know

21:31

ethically you're like gosh what do I do right now this is conf you a little confusing as to what steps to take how

21:37

far do I want to go in this you know and obviously eventually left but um you know what was that like you know the

21:43

first three years before you won that award uh what was it like to kind of build your reputation in the city um it

21:51

was very you know it's very hard to monetize creativity and every artist who listens

21:57

to your show understands this sentiment uh I remember I had a a teacher in high school that I looked up to who said if

22:04

you can find out what you love to do and if you can monetize that that's one of the secrets of life and I was like okay

22:11

beautiful but he never told me that you'll be starving and struggling for the first like 10 years right I mean

22:17

that's that's part of it though right yeah so so I had a little bit build's

22:22

character um I had a little bit of that it was uh um challenging at some points

22:28

as well cuz you know from from Virginia to New York City cost of living goes up

22:34

but then more opportunities as well um so I was getting shows once in a while so usually the way it works just so

22:40

people can understand art industry imagine like a like a three tiered pyramid okay at the bottom you have like

22:49

Starving Artists your Barista you just do like weird little popups the middle

22:54

is sort of the Wild West you can do group shows Festival shows Once in a while get a solo show those are like middle middle tier galleries you can do

23:02

pretty well there if you get up High um that's where I have most of my claim to fame the top is a totally different

23:09

animal and that's where I was having one foot in the door in like getting sort of vetted and that's where it's basically a

23:16

financial instrument to money launder and evade taxes but there's also like the occult inside there um so the top of

23:22

the art world is a totally different thing a lot of people don't know that so I I was basically I was just getting one

23:28

foot in that door and then I flew too close to the Sun and I called him all a

23:33

bunch of pedophiles and then I get kicked out really so so yeah you had one foot in

23:40

the door what was that how long did you have that foot in the door very short very short yeah I would say it's like

23:47

less than six months less okay yeah because I'm just hanging out going to these like private parties dinner you know all these stuff hanging out with

23:53

these people regularly and um but it's but I will say I learned a lot

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about culture and strategy from this experience because you know these are

24:07

people who have so much money and patronage to support you know certain artists

24:14

to be agents of a certain voice right like they'll give these people World Class Tours and all this and the first

24:21

thing I notic is all these spots and I'll just say them right now Jane Hotel Rooftop Bar in New York every Tuesday

24:26

evening there still do that the Norwood Club Thursday evening like all these spots that we hang out with like they're

24:33

all like wealthy Democrat Elites and in the talent congregating together like I

24:38

don't think the right does that and again I'm just I'm not trying to speak with that dichotomy doesn't do that but I'm I'm not trying to speak with that

24:44

that again that polarity so so stringently but I'm just saying like in regards

24:49

to utilizing the creative class to disseminate your values that is kind of brilliant I me

24:56

wouldn't you say though that the the left in general is more creative than the right yes 100% yeah and that and

25:03

that's again Peterson's trait openness he talks about that that makes sense yeah um yeah yeah this it's hard to find the

25:12

unicorns the people who have you know some sort of wholesome sentiment in

25:18

their heart but they also have that ability to be experimental in their creative Pursuit that is a it's like two

25:25

separate opposing goals you know so it is hard you're right that that's why it's so rare well yeah like I've got a

25:31

lot of friends that are musicians on both the right and the left and even the ones on the left like if you were to

25:36

read some of their posts you'd think that they're like you know these crazy leftists but when I talk to them uh I

25:42

can have logical conversations with them might disagree but actually what we're both looking for is the same thing uh we

25:49

just have different ways to get there most of them honestly haven't looked into it as much as they're not thinking

25:54

about as much as I am and they're open to those ideas too so I think like you know in a way um you know they are being

26:02

courted by uh you know the left and people that can you know see the

26:08

advantage of having them uh involved with campaigns or having them involved

26:13

those type of things but you they're not bad people you know yeah yeah I I would

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say most yeah I would say most artists they just a lot of them I don't

26:24

want to sound like I know better I'm not saying that but a a lot of them they haven't looked at like the data they're

26:31

not cognizant of that they're just like more romantically trying to get behind a certain message that they feel like is mer kitchy and feels good for them but

26:38

um I will say that this is nothing new like again I study art history a lot

26:46

and a lot of people don't know but if you look at some of the great tyrants throughout history they all understood

26:53

you have to utilize your artist interesting give me give give us some examples okay um I was reading about

Art & Tyranny, Nazi Germany

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what these dictators did in their own time when they had private time on their own Joseph Stalin and Mal Adam and Poets

27:08

Kim jongil study cinematography extensively Francisco Franco painter

27:14

Adolf Hitler painter you know like these are all people who understood influence and art and and they always utilize a

27:21

creative class for propaganda and I'll use uh the most recent one Hitler as an example right so

27:28

um Adolf Hitler actually had the th Society behind him so I'm mentioning this because when I was in New York City

27:36

I was always hanging out with wealthy Elite right that were left leaning with

27:41

talent and I always noticed I'm like this is like this is really smart of

27:46

them right and then I and then I thought about this I'm like okay I'm going to do some research on this and I came across

27:52

the th society and there was a lot of modern parallels what's the th Society the th Society is known for being like

27:59

Hitler's occult background and but also more than that there were also this inner network of

28:06

German Elites to to congregate with a lot of their talent world class T talent

28:12

in Germany and to me this was like wow

28:17

um the reason why the Nazis were effective and I know people are like where are we going with this is because

28:22

they totally understand propaganda their effectiveness is is BAS Bas on

28:29

their Mastery of utilizing propaganda and here's what I mean when you saw the

28:36

anti-semitic posters they started to put up right they started off as silhouettes

28:42

of a Jewish person with a nose with the Star of David and then some German written on it that's how it

28:48

started four months later another poster comes out now they hired an illustrator

28:54

a different artist and the illustrator depicted this this homeless scary looking Jewish guy actually grabbing

29:00

money from a German boy like a cartoon only two months later they depict those

29:06

same Jewish people as rats now so here's what I'm saying the analogy of the boiling frog is always utilized an

29:12

effective propaganda but they have to first of all have this source of talent that they utilize for their propaganda

29:19

because the best propaganda is artists and this is what I came to see and and as this is going on Hitler also

29:27

closed down this art school called bow house bow house was the biggest art school in Germany at the time and you

29:35

know there is um basically a chance of there being like a counterculture in Germany from the artist and he closed

29:42

that down so he can have complete control of its artist wow and for me I was like just reading this as a lesson

29:48

realizing like there's so many modern parallels and the same reason why Jay-Z and Beyonce were up there on stage

29:55

gallivanting around with Hillary Clinton is the same reason why Jo Joseph Geral was instructed by Hitler to contact all

30:02

these comedians at the time that were known that secretly agree with his Marxist ideal like William Joyce like

30:07

all of these people and I realize like this has all been done before and this is all actually

30:14

happening now yeah and and the the propaganda of today is um it's it's also out there but it's

30:21

just there's a lack of awareness on what propaganda is and um

30:28

you know um for example that that trans rainbow flag or the black flag with

30:34

white letters that says black lives matter like that's propaganda that's not like a sign for

30:40

their movement or or that's not an invitation towards a discourse you have to look at that as propaganda and once

30:46

you study propaganda you can look at what exists in the dominant mainstream narrative today and call it propaganda

30:52

sure oh it's it's everywhere I mean yeah you know one of the things that got me initially when black lives matters kind

30:59

of it it wasn't exactly when it started but you know during the George George Floyd issue yeah yeah at first I was

31:06

like you know we should protest certain things um

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and I kind of wanted to stand in solidarity that's my first thought uh and then when I looked into

31:19

the organization and I saw BLM was really a communist organization and you see the

31:25

the the fist you know and look throughout history when that that fist was was put up and then you look at

31:31

that's not a coincidence my friend no of course not and then you look at the on their website you know BLM uh their

31:38

agenda one of them was to do away with the nuclear family and you know that's a communist

31:45

Marxist yeah uh St a staple and so you

31:50

know just that alone if you look at something like that where they're talking about doing way with a family

31:56

like obliterate it which they've already done many ways in the black community you know around 75 per 75% of kids right

32:03

now growing up don't have a dad yep so I mean that's that's already being done and we see how that's worked out they're

32:09

kicking ass yeah they're kicking ass it's it's pretty obvious yeah what's going on so when I saw that I'm like oh

32:15

and you know they did it in a smart way too because they they Tred to say you know well they made it to where

32:21

if you didn't support black lives matters you're a what a racist a racist yeah it's like know of course of course

32:30

really smart because it divides people even more and nobody MH wants to be called a racist yeah and um you know

32:38

that was a lot for me to unpack because it was all of a sudden kind of a dance and I didn't want to be called a racist

32:45

I kind of hit a point where I was like you know screw it I don't I don't care what they think of me because I know that I'm not that and uh but it was a it

32:53

was an interesting thing to go through um as a white guy because all of a sudden a white guy that grew grew up in

32:59

a very diverse neighborhood who was on a black fight team team lit Irvin uh who

33:05

has lived with the black dude for the last almost nine years Scotty Dedrick and I dedric is our business partner so

33:11

it's like uh I didn't think like that and yeah I had like an aha moment when I

33:17

was walking down the street with dedick and I was like I had the thought I'm walking down the street with a black man

33:23

I'd never thought like that before I was like and I told him I was like damn dude I I don't want to think of you as anything but my brother you know but

33:29

that was the programming the propaganda had actually you know got in my head divide and conquer exactly it's really

33:34

really smart yes this this is the essential strategy of collectivism divide and conquer and what I'll add is

33:41

uh it's funny you made me think of this quote by Thomas Soul Thomas Soul says what do you call a conservative losing

33:47

an argument to a liberal what's that racist that's that's about that's

33:53

fitting these days and and this is where we're at you know um again again if they can't back their stances with data then

33:59

they have to use culture art or a narrative that can just deem you as

34:05

racist sex is Big at homophobe Who hat support it's all they got yeah that is that alisation yes that is where we're

34:12

at because the debates or arguments they automatically call you you know like I

34:18

said with black lives matters you're a a racist with if you don't believe biological men should compete in female

34:24

sports you're a transphobe you know either this or that and there's a lot of nuance and Gray in between there and I'm

34:32

super open-minded I don't want things but but but here's what there is not okay yes there is Nuance in Gray but

34:38

here is something that is black and white when you come to a conversation are you coming with good faith or not

34:45

and here's the thing you either are or you either are not and the problem with those on what we'll call the radical

34:52

left once again is that they do not come to actually reach a solution they don't

34:57

want to actually have something Resolute with you they want to win they want to find a way to strawman you they want to

35:03

insult you they want to denigrate your position and and insult your background or something of that sort right so it's

35:08

like I'm cooled any disagreement if you're coming in with good faith well you know but on the other side because I

35:14

don't think it's just a left so I look at some of the comments on my Instagram yeah yeah and you know I don't align

35:20

with the hate that comes out of the right too towards people it's it's like

35:25

come on like that's not I I believe in or stand for yeah I don't what I don't like about the right is the the degree

35:31

of hypocrisy that's my problem with the right um but I will say because I've

35:36

gone on enough shows where when a person wants to Dera derail and and try to do

35:42

this lowball insult when I'm not even coming at them with animus sure they tend to be on the left yeah well I guess

35:48

what I'm saying is that I do think it's both sides but I also think that what what

35:55

you're talking about is intent you know if someone has a bad intention then they you know they have a bad

36:02

intention um we see it more from the left I here's Here's a thought though I mean do we see it more from the left

36:08

you're talking about your experience on podcast that's that's that's your that's a good experience but do we see it more

36:15

on the left right now uh because of the algorithm that's feeding us these

36:21

thoughts um I wonder that a lot because you know we have our Echo yeah maybe you

36:26

know um I mean we see these vile things and we know that the propaganda is out there

The Algorithm and Propaganda, Marina Abramovic & Spirit Cooking

36:33

but is it as much as as we think it is and I'm I me I'm I'm repulsed by a lot

36:40

of what goes on don't get me wrong but I'm also I'm I'm just trying to be open-minded and think you know is it

36:46

propaganda to get us even more divided which I do think the algorithm is doing that and um uh I I do think that they've

36:55

infiltrated our school and uh and like you're saying our art they've done a lot in music I mean my God you're talking

37:01

about they infiltrated everything man yeah so yes it's infiltrated I uh and

37:07

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you I'm just kind of thinking yeah yeah yeah sure yeah so you know talk about that as

37:14

as far as you you you were talking about the um art scene bringing in uh you know

37:22

really good artists and then you you mentioned pedophilia like what's like what's that all about well okay um I

37:30

don't want to go into conspiracy World here but I will

37:36

briefly um okay when you look at culture right

37:41

again this is a conversation on culture who are some of the mainstream Stars we can name like Sam Smith dojacat Lil

37:50

nazak Lady Gaga you know Katy Perry these kind of people right you'll notice every once in a while they

37:57

represent themselves with sort of demonic projections that are off wallish

38:03

you know what I'm talking about oh yeah where they actually wear satanic uniforms and in front of Super Bowl

38:08

performances or the weekend on Star boy where you's got the upside down cross 100%

38:14

so I want your audience to know that this doesn't come from a vacuum these come from the art world so

38:24

a lot of people don't know but celebrities their celebrities are at the top of the Fine

38:30

Art sphere and most particular is there's a Woman by the name of Marina

38:35

Abramovich and she's a literal Satanist witch dear friends with Hillary Clinton

38:42

JayZ has dinner parties with Ross Childs the spirit cookings he does a lot of spirit cookings yeah and she's at the

38:49

top of the pyramid she's about to be the uh Ambassador uh in Ukraine over the what

38:56

was it it like a education secretary they want a satanic

39:01

witch to be one of the dominant influencers for their education program

39:07

that's that's not conspiracy it's not even conspiracy anymore yeah I mean that's that's known that she's the they

39:14

just put her as Ambassador um so so Marina goes further she's publicly

39:19

declared that one of her goals is to destroy Christendom really to destroy Western social cohesion she's made that

39:26

a clear stance so so people were to look it up they can Oh They'll they'll find even

39:32

worse than that they'll find her doing insulation art which is by the way [ __ ] insulation art like what is

39:39

that like it's basically like an excuse to do some kind of degenerate performance um of like as you mentioned

39:46

Spirit cooking but it's basically like pretending like they're drinking children's blood or adrenochrome rituals

39:52

all these things are like out there so uh Warren can you pull that up um I want

39:58

people to see this because I have seen a lot of the pictures and it's kind of

40:04

hard for people to believe but yeah yeah this sounds outlandish but literally look up Marina abovich and she actually

40:10

has a school called called the Abramovich Institute I met two of the graduates and they hated

40:17

me what was what was their what was their worldview so I was at the corkran Gallery of Art in DC I went to the

40:22

corkran ballroom and there's these two girls dressed in all black both la long black hair they look like they're trying

40:27

to be like her doppelganger at this point and this is her art school she basically is teaching the next

40:34

generation of satanic artist and you know basically they were

40:39

there to meet some of the uh artist up up andc coming undergrad artist and you

40:44

know they're chatting with each of us individually cuz this is when I was in art school and when it was my turn I

40:51

basically told him my interest on trying to revitalize Christian imagery and masculine Aesthetics honorably MH you

40:57

know because we have very bad masculine examples today so I was basically throwing that that's what I want to be a

41:04

pregenerator of and they hated it they're like like it was almost like

41:09

they had an accent um there weren't they weren't American Born but it was almost as if like how dare you the way they're

41:16

talking to me and I was like ooo I got a very creepy Dark Energy vibe from them

41:23

yeah that's that's all I can say for that yeah but you know have you you you know the the the Satanist stuff

41:30

uh like do we know that that's her school or is that just kind of like rumors oh we I mean if if she's not even

41:39

really like hiding it she is friends with the person by the name of John of God and they do like really dark rituals

41:47

together and it's all John of God the guy that got uh uh indicted in Brazil

41:53

yeah okay yeah yeah he's the one who like um amputates bodies as a part of his artart to heal as he calls himself a

42:00

Healer he's not a real healer like you um but but um yeah she's friends

42:06

with people who are into transhumanism and and I mean all of these are basically

42:14

different terms for Satanism but um she doesn't hide anything right none of it's

42:20

even hidden cuz she's so connected and Powerful you know and and this is why

42:25

like in a way um I I boldly call myself the anti

42:31

Abramovich yeah you know cuz what I'm trying to do is the opposite of her you know through classical training

42:36

techniques but this woman gets world- Class Tours he gets to show everywhere

42:41

you know she just started a new exhibition Series where there's basically a lineup of nude bodies and

42:48

people have to and they're so close together so that the people have to uh

42:53

walk through them and get touched by nude bodies that's her current artwork what's that art

43:00

called um I can't remember the title but but that's this is the kind of stuff she

43:05

does it's uh no class nothing to do with paying

43:12

tribute you know there's no wisdom in it and yeah she's at the top there's other

43:19

artists you know there's U Maggie gearings Kim Noble there's a bunch of artists who are at who get all this

43:24

exposure in patronage were dark but she's definitely the most known so I like to mention her yeah pull up uh

43:31

Warren there's one with um where she's got a a skull yeah just look up uh

43:36

Marina abovich Spirit cooking and you'll see you'll see a lot of good

43:41

stuff yeah click that one yeah yeah that's uh those are her

43:48

Hillary Clinton days oh yeah that was uh when Wikileaks uh released those emails she

43:55

was in the email with um yeah she she was it's crazy how no

44:00

one's talking about any of this now isn't it well I mean it's like you talk about pizza gate which I don't know anything about honestly like as far as

44:05

the the details of it um but you know it's an immediate conspiracy theory I

44:12

knew that she was part of it somehow I remember seeing her name in those headlines back in the day but yeah she

44:17

she's basically the um the way the th Society had like you know again I'm

44:25

doing a modern parallel here with with what the Nazis did the th Society had people like dietro eart Rudolph hes

44:30

Hitler you know all all of these like creative influential people somebody had to curate all of

44:37

them coming together right and having these weird practices that's her that's her like real job like she's like a

44:44

curator to bring all these people together and do these rituals interesting is she does she talk about

44:49

being a saintess or is it like a kind of like a hidden thing she want to acknowledge it I I mean I I think that

44:55

right there shows you you need to know yeah with a sharp knife cut deeply

45:02

into the middle finger yeah when you see when you actually see her art it's

45:08

um it's it's almost like she's try like like a female Anton Le you know you know

45:14

although although he he had this whole intellectual side of it being you know uh he intellectualize it better than she

45:21

probably would but um yeah I think she's

45:26

she's like a witch I think she's an evil witch and now she's going to be uh be in

45:33

charge let's see uh Warren pull up what was uh what's her Ambassador

45:42

position what does that say the headline I mean it's it's for um for delinsky right as to be a for

45:51

Ukraine but there was something to do with education yeah it is something to do with education because they're always

45:57

targeting our kids that's always a goal yep there you go rebuilding schools

46:04

wow I mean it's the goal is always our kids you know wild it's so wild why

46:10

would you have that person in charge of rebuilding your schools in Ukraine I

46:17

mean it's so blatant and out there uh how wacky it is even if it were all not

46:23

true let's just say that why would you put her uh in charge

46:29

exactly okay I'm going to go with this trend logic let's say none of this is true okay even though the whole art

46:35

World in New York City knows all right let's say none of this is true a person who has a bloody animal

46:43

head and and is and and adorns herself in such a way that you know looks looks

46:50

like a like a necromancer how are you going to put that person at the seat of power right

46:57

but it's in charge of the kids the kids yeah the education yeah what's she going

47:02

to teach them what's going to be her agenda more uh art like well you're making

47:08

you're you're you're you're going to scare me when I think about that because I just start thinking of like adreno Chrome or something like that so you

47:15

know I I don't know but um that's [ __ ] up [ __ ] it's pretty wild

47:21

it's pretty wild and most people wouldn't know who she was I had run Cross by the way that's intentional like

47:28

this is what I'm saying like if you look at like celebrities they venerate people who don't have the million of followers

47:34

and they have a different type of veneration yeah you know they they have a smaller circle of huge amount of

47:41

Elites it's a very different thing it's like you know like like EP didn't have

47:47

Instagram you see what I'm getting at she doesn't either right like there's people who um get to play God yeah in in

47:56

a dark sense right and those people are are worshiped by controlled celebrities

48:02

did you see the uh the Balenciaga stuff months ago yeah yeah yeah did you see what I

Balenciaga Scandal, Baal, Child Sacrifice

48:08

posted I think so because somebody sent me yeah I think so yeah like I started

48:14

all that Viral [ __ ] really that was you oh yeah it was it was pretty wild and a lot of the

48:20

stuff that she does reminds me of the pictures that those people had of the children and you know they call it art

48:28

but yeah um it was just like dis I actually didn't even post all the stuff that I I found I actually went deep into that

48:35

rabbit hole there's some disgusting stuff especially with that one model uh yeah yeah I mean that that whole that

48:42

whole Balenciaga thing really you know and then if you looked at the the tape on the table of the shoot it's it's Bale

48:50

b a a l yep oh actually Warren has it up there yeah I mean that was on the tape of the shoot um

48:56

you know so it's it's not Balenciaga it's Balenciaga you know and now now why

49:02

do you think they're using kids oh I I I don't know I mean I just they're evil

49:07

it's it symbolizes Human Sacrifice interesting because if you can her kids

49:13

you'll do anything evil it it represents complete control and you know here's

49:19

what I'll say not a lot of people can see and

49:26

believe in God today but if you go deep into the literature and if you actually open your

49:32

eyes to what's actually going on you will see the devil oh yeah and that's

49:37

why the deeper a man goes the more religious he ends up usually becoming this is why because evil is and its

49:45

lasciviousness is out and about now and that's what they can do things like put Marina abovich as the Director of of

49:53

building schools you know as an ambassador like Ambassador build schools that's insane that's bold yeah very bold

50:00

that is bold pull up what Bale is we were just talking about that um and uh

50:05

or who Bale is so this is on the photo shoot um the Balenciaga photo shoot uh

50:13

that went went viral with the children yeah child sacrifice yeah yeah yeah MH Bale was uh my understanding the god

50:21

of child sacrifice um you remember when Alex Jones went into the Bohemian Grove yeah

50:28

and they were oh yeah they had a thing in M burning a child Effigy yeah to Mok

50:33

right so mik and baale Bs abub they're all sort of the same they all have the same edical root but the idea is of

50:40

sacrificing children you know for their own self

50:46

aggrandisement that's sort of the uh demonic ritual that's been done yeah

50:51

that's wild I me you see the video of Alex going in and yeah with them having

50:57

the burning molok and you know it's

51:02

there's so many signs right now not just for the the child trafficking and uh

51:08

child sacrifice but just of the you know evil Satanism that that is going on and you

51:17

know uh Abramovich is one example where they're just very very bold with it now

51:24

and there's so many things like like that that you know people like oh it's just a coincidence oh it's just a

51:29

coincidence and I can't even think of all of them right now because they happen so much now you get kind of I think that's part of the propaganda

51:34

because you get kind of numb to it all I mean nobody's talking about the boiling frog yeah we're the boiling frogs right

51:40

now we're right now used to a certain temperature that we should not be even tolerating yeah you know I mean it's

51:47

it's getting pretty hot you know it's getting pretty hot you you think about right now in

51:53

society at least in our life lifetime it has never been this divided um and it seems like it's by

52:00

design it seems like when uh what I see as an objective truth is put out uh the

52:06

other side will say well that's not the truth you know they they flipped what

52:11

the truth is and people are paring these things you know you talked about uh you

52:16

know getting cancelled out of the art scene but you've also made some comments about um the

52:23

uh trans issues that are going on right now with biological men you know uh

Gender Ideologies, Masculinity, Feminism

52:31

competing in women's sports or in the locker rooms or uh children getting uh

52:38

those surgeries early or being on hormones early right like do you think that's part of the whole uh yeah I mean

52:44

it's all it's all Satanism to me you know I I use that blanket term um now I

52:50

will say like I got in trouble or or what cemented me me being ostracized

52:56

from the art world was the fact that I focused on masculine art mhm that's what

53:01

sort of cemented it and a lot of people will think like why is that what because you have to look at the prism of the art

53:07

world and um so me me getting kicked out was was first like a social reason

53:14

because none of us could really see eye to eye uh I just kept burning those bridges but what really cemented it was

53:20

the fact that I decided to really focus on uh revitalizing biblical imagery and

53:26

masculine imagery and um and the reason why I do so is because I I believe that

53:35

that that honorable patriarchal traditional masculinity

53:41

needs to sort of bring make its way back for our culture to survive sure that is

53:46

my belief and I will say you know it's not a coincidence that the most canceled

53:54

figures of of our time all represent Unapologetic Unapologetic masculinity

54:00

you know Donald Trump Andrew Tate yay to a degree as well because

54:06

he's a rapper and and and the attraction to hip-hop in the first place is the

54:11

freedom to be hyper masculine that's why hip-hop is popular so why are they canceled because they

54:20

represent men being themselves you know without apologizing in a Public Square

54:25

that deems any sense of masculinity as toxic so for me I always was aware of

54:31

this because everything so gentric today and that's why I thought I want my art to focus

54:38

on benevolent honorable idealic masculinity that's why

54:43

I paint moushi and and these Warriors and and and um and and my desires

54:51

because I think it's been underemphasized and I'm sort of overemphasizing it as like a correction M and that's why I obsessed with this

54:57

sort of imagery I think it's lacking today so I rather put that type of art

55:02

out into the world gotcha well I mean you know but the left didn't like that I

55:08

mean not just I mean the galleries didn't like that I was focusing on that subject matter they just liked that my style like oh you know keep painting

55:14

tigers and and we like your your brush technique and your mark making and people like it and it's almost like

55:20

using my my art without like the message and the weight and but I wanted to I

55:25

wanted to sort of be a warrior in the realm of ideas with my brush like putting down the sword and picking

55:31

picking up the brush sure that's sort of like Ronin esque feeling I wanted to do that you know yeah me what do you think

55:37

that like because I mean the term toxic masculinity it just kind of gets thrown

55:42

around right now yeah um I think that there is um I don't even like to call it

55:48

masculinity that's bad I think there's there's bad people that do bad things

55:54

but I I think that the the design seems to be they want to make the masculine so

56:02

gross they want to demonize it that they you know bring I don't believe toxic masculinity is a thing to be honest I

56:08

think the absence of masculinity is what is toxic because I think the more masculine a person is the more he wants

56:14

to protect his wife the more he wants to love his kids the more he wants to provide resources for them I think more

56:21

masculinity means more love provisioning and protection and guidance I think the absence is where you have these like

56:27

pseudo little beta beta males who compensate by doing destructive things because that's how they compensate so I

56:34

I don't even believe that term I think that's uh that's just the way they stigmatize people um and actually it's

56:43

funny because often when people project these terms onto the world that's what they are so when

56:49

they're saying we live under a patriarchy i'm like [ __ ] I argue we live under under a

56:55

matriarchy personally you know and um I think this is all pro projection and we

57:02

live in a a cult of feminism today I believe that the West lives under that cult and let me make this very clear

57:09

because I know a lot of your audien is probably like who is this Asian guy who's sound sexist now I I'm totally an

57:15

egalitarian women should have the rights to do whatever they want to do but my point is that the archetypal Spirit we

57:22

live under in other other words like you said everyone repeats about the

57:27

patriarchy and toxic masculinity right and and it's because they understand there's the archetype of

57:35

the wise King but the contrast is the archetype of the highchair Tyrant you

57:40

know like the drunken abuse of dad the the negative manifestation of masculinity but nobody talks about the

57:46

negative feminine which is the overprotective mother and that is the spirit we've been living under because

57:52

for example the medical apara we just went through with the vaccine mandates and and and the mask mask requirements

57:59

that's all the overprotective mother because an evil force that's saying I'm doing this because Mommy loves you it's

58:05

for your protection it's for your good stay inside don't have fun it's because we love you and then I'm going to bring

58:11

in state power for your protection yeah that is the spirit of the overprotective mother and that is why uh I believe our

58:19

world is very gynocentric right now especially the West so all we like to do in a dominant way very we're allowed to

58:26

casually lambast masculinity and fathers and and talk denigrate them all day and

58:31

the reason why we can even do that is because we live in a feminized world because the moment I say one thing about

58:38

one negative thing about the collective feminine psyche what happens everyone attacks you of course of course you know

58:45

yeah it it triggers the mob yeah

Queer Theory, Transgender Athletes, Hypergamy

58:50

100% it's interesting what's going on with feminism right now I just ordered uh a bunch of books on queer Theory and

58:57

feminism just because I want to really understand where we're at in society right now or at least their way of

59:03

thinking how are they thinking about this um and I guess we're in the fourth wave of feminism and it's based off of

59:10

queer Theory and so it actually to me you know people think of feminism and women's rights um although it's way past

59:17

that it's supposed to be about equality yeah but um you know to me modern feminism takes away

59:25

the rights of women they do because you know you talk about like men Dom women

59:31

if they were really concerned with men dominating women why would they have biological men going in uh competing in

59:36

women's sports or having biological men uh going in and being in office uh and

59:43

you know that identify as women by the way biological that identify as women going and you know and competing in

59:49

sports uh it's just men dominating women if if that's it and it's weak men

59:55

because those men you know can't compete in General on the level that um other

1:00:01

men can I mean they got they got Bruce Jenner which is a lot to unpack Caitlyn

1:00:07

uh yeah cait well Caitlyn Jenner sorry but they got you know they got Bruce to become Caitlyn um and there's obviously

1:00:13

some stuff going on yeah the woman of the year is a man that's my point men men really are the best women I mean

1:00:19

that just proves and and and not and also like I think Mo the most important factor of what you're saying is that like

1:00:25

they make women who want to be caretakers and mothers feel like losers because they say no you're supposed to

1:00:31

kick those men's asses and and the my problem with this whole

1:00:36

gender craze is that like the feminists are getting

1:00:41

equality and identicality Confused like they don't understand like back then

1:00:47

women understood like there we can be complimentary mhm but today they're literally trying to they're trying to get rid of him men

1:00:54

almost you know what I'm saying so um yeah we're Way Beyond the egalitarian

1:01:00

feminist conversation because also women are kicking all their asses when it comes to uh College representation

1:01:07

income for uh for people for men in the 20s versus women in the 20s they're men

1:01:12

are getting their asses kicked they're not a good I'm all for equal opportunity I really am I I'm all for women getting

1:01:18

the PID no one's arguing that the same I know but my point is I'm for those

1:01:24

things but and that's what I think a lot of the people think that this is about like oh women aren't paid equally it's

1:01:30

like actually uh that's been debunked many times uh in those studies they're

1:01:36

not working as much um there's a lot of things that uh come into play there but yeah in in their 20s right now women are

1:01:43

making more money than men and and guess what if they're working Harder by the way I'm all for it if they're uh the best person for the job they should be

1:01:49

making more money than I think there I think that a big reason for that is there is right now also a uh there's

1:01:56

been a crisis in masculinity h a lot of men are simply checking out um for multiple reasons but the

1:02:04

first thing is that you know hypergamy is on steroids so that in conjunction to

1:02:11

the fact that a big reason why we do what we do is for sexual

1:02:17

gratification human as males right and the daily Market has become the

1:02:23

situation where as women's standards go up more men are ostracized so so a lot

1:02:29

of men are just simply having no more incentive to go forward and this is uh is happening with Millennials and

1:02:36

definitely Zoom what do you mean with uh uh women's standards going up what does that mean so hypergamy is this idea

1:02:43

that's basically proven that that women date up and you and men men date down that's basic idea of it and um you know

1:02:52

I've studied pretty extensively the decline of

1:02:57

civilizations and I would argue we are kind of in a decline I'm not saying that

1:03:04

the Nell of Doom is around the corner and and it's it's uh Burning Skies and pandemonium I call it first world hell

1:03:12

world so who we are in this beautiful estate Bridges full of goodies AC nice

1:03:19

equipment but spiritually the collective mass is very zombified ROM ically mhm

1:03:25

like we're sort of callous in this way um so I call it first world hell world

1:03:31

and what I look at is when you study every Empire that has fallen there's

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three stages there okay so we're in between stage two and three the first stage is the death

1:03:43

of God or the lack of reverence for a higher order and frerick Nisha writes

1:03:49

about this in the gay science when he said that God is dead you know everyone's heard of this sentiment Jordan Peterson has been talking about

1:03:54

it on stage reanimating this this important lesson uh and once that happens you sort of are castrated from a

1:04:01

sense of a higher order and your reverence is gone now look how irreverent we are we don't have reverence today right so that's the

1:04:08

first stage and once that happens the moral structure above is sort of castigated so what happens next the next

1:04:14

stage is female sexual Liberation and I specify female sexual

1:04:19

Liberation not male because it what happens is um there's a guy named JD when he wrote a his magnum opus called

1:04:27

sex and culture and he studied 86 different cultures through 5,000 years of recorded history and he found that

1:04:34

with the Sumerians the Babylonians the Athenians the Romans what they all had in common is once we give up our belief

1:04:40

in God women become sexually liberated and once they're sexually liberated men no longer want to fight to maintain

1:04:47

their social cohesion interesting we lose our purpose our cohesion and then the third stage

1:04:55

and we're in between stage two and three right now that's why we have all these red pill podcasts by the way or feminist pwn videos it's because we're we're

1:05:01

trying to back track but we're in between stage two and three and the last one is desecration of beauty and rewriting history and Roger scruin

1:05:08

writes about this in his book Beauty so basically we're we're we're right at the stage where we're going to start seeing

1:05:15

some serious negative return for this widespread promiscuous whoredom and I'm

1:05:22

not trying to be a hater or anything I'm just saying from studying reading all the literature this is what's going to

1:05:29

happen I think kind of like Rome yeah just like Rome yeah I didn't know that

The Fall of Rome, Decline of Empire, Manosphere

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theen keep in mind how how Rome fell apart as well you know I'm sorry to interrupt by the way uh um but but great

1:05:41

Empires they fall from the inside out like when Rome fell they were having orgies and they had all everyone had

1:05:47

like their own wine seller you know they had like all you know their's wealth when when Rome fell and you know the

1:05:53

ottoman Empire was being led by a 23-year old General at the time and how did he take down an army that was

1:06:00

literally 15 times larger you know why cuz they didn't care to defend it at that point because they were so

1:06:05

obstreperous from the inside so of course the walls will fall yeah I didn't know that that throughout history though

1:06:12

that the women had gotten super promiscuous every time yeah and they to deal with pregnancy though I mean the

1:06:18

sexual Liberation this time was you know really with birth control right yeah yeah so so we ours is even worse

1:06:23

actually [Laughter] I mean yeah because they you know yeah it's and again again I'm not [ __ ] shame

1:06:30

or whatever you call I'm simply looking at the fact that look you do the basic

1:06:36

calculus you just do the basic arithmetic here if you're looking at a guy who you know it's

1:06:44

like how can I put this it's like um if nothing is pure

1:06:52

anymore right if nothing is is pure and I'm talking about like female virginity and being chased M if nothing is

1:06:59

pure then in a way nothing is sacred right and if nothing is

1:07:05

sacred why should I care if some unassimilable culture sends us men and

1:07:13

takes them because I don't feel connected to them because it's not something I want to protect in the first

1:07:18

place anymore like I'm I mean I'm susing this out as I'm talking to you but but that's sort of the the gut feeling that

1:07:26

that the common man has today right so I'm I'm just um so they're feeling like

1:07:33

they the Common Man feels like they can't get women or it's not even worth it um I well I wouldn't say like a lot

1:07:42

of these movements like mgtow and all these things I'm doing my own thing I would say a lot of that as cope I think wait I don't know anything about these

1:07:48

movements what movements okay okay so there's all these groups like this manosphere content red pill blue pill

1:07:53

there's all these like like philosophies about you know trying to gain women and all these things in the internet

1:07:59

Community most of those trying to gain like dating is like pick up all of this stuff okay got it most of it is laring

1:08:05

whates that mean oh it's it's like they're acting or they're coping like like for example um like I don't I I am

1:08:11

not a tradcon guy for example like I'm not into red pill any of this stuff and I'm saying this because most of that is

1:08:18

a disguise um so I wouldn't say that they're they're giving up because you

1:08:25

know they can't get women or something I think the women don't want them ah I think that's the first thing I think I

1:08:31

like for example people who call themselves tradcon what does that mean there's a there's a movement on Twitter

1:08:36

especially called tradcon like traditional conservative okay Tron and they like to say yeah the

1:08:42

reason why you know I have this belief is because I'm like a Conservative Christian Warrior but but actually

1:08:48

they're just unfuckable losers that lean right got it you see what I'm you see what I'm getting at it's a great way to

1:08:54

cope their Insel them or when they say I'm a dark Triad what's that see these are terms that like this is goes to show

1:09:01

you that you have a life I have no idea what [ __ ] means so so so so dark Triad in the red pill space is like basically

1:09:08

a person who has like maavan characteristics and that that you know it's like it's different costumes they

1:09:14

wear but these are just more like these are just more ugly in cells who are

1:09:19

socially inept like all of these the whole Space red pill manosphere all like

1:09:25

I'm starting to realize that it's all a way for men to just Flex on each other interesting that's what I've come to see

1:09:31

but but just to tie it all together I think that um men are simply just

1:09:37

checking out because they're seeing that it's just too much uh it's too much effort to even play the game um and and

1:09:46

and for the value of what it's like uh I think it's called whole flation like H

1:09:51

flation yeah it's it's it's it's fation what is that polation is the fact that

1:09:56

men today you and I have to work 10 times harder than our than our grandfathers did for woman a 100 times

1:10:03

worse oh really is that what interesting yeah I mean I guess

1:10:09

again again I'm talking about the average man for a reason I'm thinking too though because you know and I don't

1:10:15

know about any all that stuff but yeah you know from a dating standpoint my experience is let's say you know a man

1:10:23

that's 35 you know 40 years old you generally don't date someone 35

1:10:30

or 40 years old if you haven't uh sure if you haven't if you're not already married or something like that don't you

1:10:35

have a girlfriend um and you know let's say you're dating someone 25 to 30 you

1:10:43

know a little younger the the the men in their 20s I'm I'm 42 now and I've got awesome girlfriend but yeah uh you know

1:10:50

that congrats oh thanks she's yeah she she's really cool uh but the men the

1:10:57

competition now is so weak these men are just a bunch of little betas but but

1:11:03

they're giving this is my point they're giving up altogether yeah because because they're they're betas they're

1:11:09

being little [ __ ] well well well that's half true okay but what what

1:11:14

I will say is that uh 80% of women won 20% of men anyways wait 80% of wom 80%

1:11:19

of women want 20% of men yeah I believe that yeah so so so how so if that's the

1:11:25

case then why don't you become the man that women want um so so this is there's

1:11:34

a harsh truth in it and here's what I'll agree I've always felt like I mean not get any woman that I wanted but I mean

1:11:42

you know I've always felt like I could do just fine if someone if someone didn't like me for whatever re I'm like

1:11:48

it's more like as far as not necessarily like uh dating wise but if they had a problem I'm nice to everybody I try to

1:11:54

I Stand My Ground but you know so uh I've always thought you know why you know we should be able to talk to to

1:12:00

anybody sure um so I'm just curious to like what are what's the other side let

1:12:06

me hear the other side so so what I want to agree with is that yeah if you're into Corner sulking and acting like a

1:12:12

little Doomer [ __ ] then then you're just an idiot that I agree with but what I will say is that

1:12:19

um the standards of again we're talking about hypergamy there it's only getting harsher and more worse so you get to a

1:12:26

point where um we're I would say we're at a point

1:12:31

where you know if if a guy isn't you know all those characteristics

1:12:37

that women want you know they they'll be like oh they I want him to be whatever like six foot tall six figures yeah

1:12:44

those guys look like half a percent of the population when but but those are

1:12:50

the guys women want those are the and no no but it's becoming more and more

1:12:55

evident where I would say like even girls who are Zoomers like literally

1:13:00

like 1820 year old girls they just get dm' by those guys now so basically we're

1:13:06

at this point where they get dm' by which guys um the winners oh okay yeah

1:13:12

yeah like like like like basically men who have a plethora of option they're

1:13:17

just they're just going through women and and then the guys who are working on

1:13:23

themselves you know they have you know either they get it together by 35 and now they're

1:13:28

ready to go sure or they're just uh or or you know they're just they just give

1:13:33

up and I guess what I'm saying is a lot of a lot of men they have a they don't delay gratification and they don't have

1:13:39

the incentive to go forward with that today and I think it's um I think it's sad but I think that's another part of

1:13:46

the equation because we talked about all these these dark Forces going on today and I think that one of the Ultimate

1:13:54

Tools of Satan is actually utilizing feminism in this way to make men no

1:14:00

longer have incentive so I think this is a part of that equation yeah well and

1:14:06

you we're talking about masculinity uh I feel like I mean and we talked about how they're almost

1:14:12

emasculating guys men and you know the public uh

1:14:20

facing uh idea for women is that they don't want a masculine man but the

1:14:26

reality behind it is they absolutely do um and all of these women that you're

1:14:33

talking about that like that least say 20% of men 80% of women like 20% of men uh I would all dating up there I would

1:14:39

bet 80% of those 90% of those men were masculine and not a bunch of betas

1:14:47

and um you know all all those like when I hear those numbers I kind of laugh

1:14:54

because like whatever I don't even know about any of that [ __ ] and I mean I'm

1:15:00

not looking to be single I got a great I'm I'm just I'm just trying to relate with like everyday man right everyday

1:15:06

man needs a step up though that's the thing everyday man right now you know to me they don't act like what I would

1:15:13

consider a man and you know it's it's not um you know it's it's in many ways

1:15:20

when I see them like I see a lot of men like whining and oh this isn't fair it reminds me of the the left uh whining

1:15:28

yeah maybe maybe uh again if they're sitting in a corner sulking then yeah they're wasting their breath um I I

1:15:34

agree with that but um I try to empathize a little bit just because what

1:15:39

I see is when they look for mentors you know or when they look for guidance um

1:15:46

obviously first thing that comes to my mind is go to a [ __ ] martial art Ojo there's things you can do right but but

1:15:52

there's people who are are so Wayward that when they do look all they hear is man up and they're not like and and and

1:15:59

they're they're approaching innocently which say his toxic masculinity go go yeah yeah but you know but but it's just

1:16:05

um I'm just trying to predict based on a little bit of Unwin but also based on

1:16:10

things that I'm seeing uh I think it's going to get worse and I think we're going to get to a point where we are a

1:16:17

more open and shamelessly polygamous Society where basically it's like a couple you know there's going to be men

1:16:23

who have multiple girlfriends and maybe even multiple families whilst there's going to be all of these men who they

1:16:30

build up resentment and anger towards the towards the culture um I think we're

1:16:36

just headed towards that way sure yeah and um you know it it's look if I had a

1:16:42

red button right here Ed I can just push it and it cuts off you know the welfare

1:16:51

state and and and and um um you know enforced monogamy and like all the

1:16:58

circumstantial stuff that you want so that there's more pair bonding to create families across the board I would do it

1:17:04

but I don't have that button and this conversation is being avoided you know

1:17:09

and um I don't it it looks really bad that's all

1:17:14

I'm saying so so what's what's your are you in a relationship do you get married like what's I'm single you're single um

1:17:21

is what's your experience like dating right now how how old are you I'm 32 32 okay so what's your experience like you

1:17:27

know dating right now so I I just you know I I broke off with uh one

1:17:33

girl uh it's been maybe six months now MH I met her in New

1:17:38

York I I've just been dating girls you know I I have a preference for for a

1:17:44

monogamous relationship I'm more of a romantic sure um but yeah I've been just

1:17:49

dating women and and I just haven't felt you know convinced

1:17:55

to like a family settle or something yeah it's cool I was like that for a long time I mean my uh my

1:18:02

20s gosh I I dated this one girl from 22 to 26 and uh I was super young thought

1:18:10

we were going to get married you know and uh it's a long time man 22 to 26

1:18:15

yeah I was with her for three years yeah I I met her after uh she she's a ballerina okay and she was performing at

1:18:22

the oh cool DC and then one of my friends uh he's connected with the director he's like I'll take you to the back you can

1:18:28

meet her nice and so I just took her out but um um yeah that was

1:18:34

fun but but you get to a point where you're like all right well you know it's like we're in a different time it's

1:18:39

funny because I have these these Traditional Values but um I'm also

1:18:44

seeing that the world has changed so much like we're not in you know I guess

1:18:50

I'm looking for Romance in 2023 hookup culture in a way there's that element

1:18:56

too that's how that's how people in my generation feel quite a bit unless they grew up away from cities they have the highest percentage of that but that line

1:19:04

that sacks up better when they're like in their early 20s and they're away from cities and you have a more chance of

1:19:09

meeting somebody who's uh who may be more interested in pair bonding and creating a family but I grew up in

1:19:14

cities my whole life so even though I hold these values close to my heart the dating Market that I'm interacting with

1:19:21

was um you know more about the fun sure you know which is which was fun but

1:19:28

eventually you you you know it's uh uh you get zombified eventually yeah yeah

1:19:34

yeah no doubt about it yeah I mean the you know that's been you know kind of my

1:19:40

experience in a way as far as just not finding the right person for a long time and that's okay too I mean I and again

1:19:47

I'm and I'm a total romantic I'm a [ __ ] artist like like like like there's nothing I enjoy more than

1:19:53

traveling with a beautiful woman and looking at old art interesting like

1:19:59

looking at like hieroglyphics in like Egypt or going to the Vatican and seeing marble statues like do that kind of

1:20:05

Adventure yeah and you're with a beautiful woman like that's like that's such a high for me I I love that yeah

1:20:12

you know and but um you know they tend to be like two three years Max well I

1:20:18

mean yeah that's kind of finding the person man that's part of especially you're right as different different time different culture um you know generally

1:20:27

I found you know the older the more in my 30s that I got um you know I kind of

1:20:34

wanted to start settling down a little bit more but I wasn't attached to it I'm like whatever sure sure and then I think you know when you kind of meet somebody

1:20:41

uh it just kind of happens the relationship I've been in now isn't that long it's like nine I'll tell you what the smartest guys are doing that um the

1:20:48

smartest people who see all this the the feminization of the West what they tend to do is they go overseas because the

1:20:55

feminism is um uh we're again we're talking about the toxic feminism that

1:21:01

we're toxic we're not talking we're not talking about uh egalitarian values um

1:21:07

but you know we the spirit of not shaming a woman for being a woman that's

1:21:13

still exists overseas that's what a lot of the guys who did not had the privilege of growing up in a smaller

1:21:19

town or who grew up in cities sure creatures like us in way right like like the Smart Ones they tend to go overseas

1:21:25

there's a movement called passport Bros and then the idea is that like well there's women who have not been like infiltrated by this this uh I hate men

1:21:33

ideology and they just go overseas where they're much more amicable and pleasant

1:21:39

that's what a lot of them are doing I'm not saying I do like but that's what I've seen work for some of my friends

1:21:45

yeah well I mean you know the whole it it shouldn't be seen as a I hate men

1:21:51

philosophy I mean I know Nashville is not like that there's at least in this

1:21:57

let's say the social scene of people that are going out that are you know single per se yeah yeah um I would say

1:22:04

it's it's not like that I this is I like natural this is what I'm saying um it's

1:22:09

definitely like this in New York City more so Lower East Side where I had a

1:22:14

concentration of art shows um there is a view that looks at any man who either

1:22:22

has money or stature or any type of flex

1:22:27

as he stole that um yeah crazy now but you know when

1:22:33

you start debating or talking to those people they have no arguments it's just

1:22:38

like this they they really show up to me as kind of dumb uh because they can't go

1:22:45

back and forth and have a conversation with you about it because they haven't really thought about it they're like I'm taking this position with no thought I

1:22:51

hate men you know they're just and then you you try to talk to them and they get

1:22:57

offended that you're even questioning uh the hate and the bigot Tre that they're bringing at you I mean that that's

1:23:03

happened to me you know it actually happened to me recently that's why I left yeah that's it that's why I left New York to to still woke DC but way

1:23:10

less woke yeah because I was getting tired of that I think the most important thing though is actually holding your

1:23:16

ground for me like whenever I hear bigoted uh you know remarks and

1:23:22

especially toward actually towards anybody I don't like it I don't like it towards trans I don't I don't think that you know we can have conversations that

1:23:29

are logical but I don't think we should hate any group just because they're a group you know uh trans Woman Man black

1:23:38

white whatever I don't think that we should hate people for or dis dislike them because of who they are like what

1:23:43

what what their uh nationality is anything I don't think that's the right way to be I believe in free speech yeah

1:23:50

no I absolutely believe in free spe but you take these these ideas like um

1:23:57

the women hating men now uh that idea and thinking that that's somehow going to help when whenever we hate different

1:24:05

groups uh like if you look throughout history it's it's been we they they pit these groups against each other and uh

1:24:12

it's just a a same side of a different coin you know so I mean it's just that's

1:24:17

what we're seeing over and over again and they don't really have any arguments for them that's a good point that's a

1:24:23

good point yeah um again like and I want to make this clear like I'm not interjecting this into the ethos the

1:24:30

this is like when I I can sit from a bird's eye view and I can see this is what's happening in the culture right

1:24:36

now sure right now like there's a book by Christina HF Summers uh she wrote um

1:24:42

um what was it um but oh the wargan boys I believe um

1:24:50

and she was a feminist back in the day where she was like you know fighting for

1:24:56

woman being allowed to go to college back then and then and then she got two sons and she realized what you described

1:25:02

it's flipped and now the boys are being penalized in the same manner and to me

1:25:07

that was very um it was enlightening hearing a woman who actually was like fighting for the

1:25:15

rights of wom saying that how now it's on the other side well yeah it has been flipped I mean I used to support uh the

1:25:23

LGBT Q Plus I think that's all of them right now Community uh I supported gay

1:25:29

marriage before uh it was popular I mean Obama and Hillary Clinton didn't support

1:25:35

it and um you know I thought that they were being attacked unfairly that was my

1:25:41

that was my my view but now I see them as the bullies back then I saw them

1:25:46

getting bullied and now I see them as the bullies because they're using their I'm happy you say that yeah because you

1:25:53

should be allowed to this is my point like we should be allowed to have conversations on anything yeah right it

1:26:00

should be an open communication and yeah I mean to me that's that's

1:26:06

that's very obvious but you know you just said one of the uh sacred cows you can't say what's that what you just said

1:26:13

you're not supposed to say that in the dominant narrative that we live in oh that they're but it's pretty clear I

1:26:19

wish there were another group that wasn't you know cuz G btq plus you know

1:26:25

what I I always say I'm not a homophobe I'm a homo board I don't give a [ __ ] but they keep putting it in my face and just

1:26:31

so that this is what I'll say I never cared about the issues actually because I used to have an art student in Adams

1:26:36

Morgan in Washington DC before I went to New York when I tried to make my career in DC and I remember there was um the

1:26:44

woman's March right uh uh this is uh

1:26:49

during Trump's first in right so so everyone's rabid and angry I went to my studio to paint and I I had two floors I

1:26:57

was upstairs painting and I heard all these like shouting and all the stuff I'm like God whatever I'm just getting ignore it put my stereo music up

1:27:03

loud then I go outside take a little break from painting and there was a a gay section

1:27:11

of the March like a bunch of gay people who got together right and in my head I'm like all right I don't care right

1:27:18

but then I look to my left and there's a little kid and he

1:27:24

just like this and I look at what he's looking at and there's a float with these two guys

1:27:29

wearing leather and assless chaps like making out and dancing with each other yeah and on one hand I'm like

1:27:35

listen there's also decency sure so if I

1:27:41

point that out which I did I was being called a homophobe for that sure I'm

1:27:46

like if there was a straight couple doing that I would be disgusted as well because kids don't

1:27:54

need to see that but it seems that when I pointed out that a gay couple was doing this it was enough for this animus

1:28:00

to come at me so aggressively yeah and I realized okay this is one of their sacred cows right there well I think

Gay Rights, Dominant Narratives

1:28:06

there's a balance I think there's a balance balance of leather oh no no I

1:28:12

mean as far as you know for a long time gay people were attacked and weren't

1:28:18

part of society and weren't weren't seen as equal uh a lot of time for a long

1:28:23

time they were bullied um and you know I I always see that wrong I see when

1:28:30

people are bullying other people as wrong I've been sticking up for people my whole life you're F fighting bullies

1:28:35

yeah I don't like it um you know and but it has moved to where now I see them as

1:28:42

the bullies I see how they treat people I see the mobs that pile on and whereas

1:28:47

you know before probably you know being a fighter uh being masculine and

1:28:54

supporting the LGBT uh community at the time uh you

1:28:59

know that wasn't the popular thing to do but now it's switched and it's it it's

1:29:06

so interesting to me because it's the same thing it's just they're on the other side now uh and

1:29:12

they're the they're the ones that attack and I'm like oh y'all are the bullies now so now I'm gonna stand up uh against

1:29:19

you as well if the dominant narrative is against you yeah white people are

1:29:24

evil men are patriarchal pigs yes gay people deserve reparations like like

1:29:31

you're a straight white man yeah so so the dominant narrative is against you it is

1:29:39

right now it is right now it's pretty clear uh and um but that's okay I mean

1:29:45

I've been fighting my whole life and yeah I see what's going on and if anybody that uh is being intellectually

1:29:51

honest they they see what's going on and it's the amount of bigotry and

1:29:57

racism uh just across the board when it comes to those that used to be let's call them oppress I don't like to to use

1:30:04

those terms but let's call them oppress for a minute those that uh use those

1:30:10

terms um uh they're now just kind of attacking you know attacking white

1:30:17

masculine men and they want you to be beta and it's just bigotry in and and

1:30:22

hatred and actually that that action itself that is sexist to men yeah that

1:30:28

is racist to white people of course like like literally it's it's they're doing they're doing what they say you're doing

1:30:35

yes you know it's obvious though yeah they need to read some young yeah literally yeah it's obvious what what

1:30:41

what they're doing but you know you just got to know that it's not true and uh

1:30:47

you know stand up for what you believe and be that's why these conversations need to be more normalized yeah exactly

1:30:52

well and you know what about being a good person like I don't believe in any of the [ __ ] where it's the the white

1:30:57

patriarchy or all of that or it's this group's fault it's like I would do good

1:31:04

for a black person just like I would do for any white person I would do good for

1:31:10

any trans person just as I would for any white person it doesn't it doesn't matter to me um those labels and I think

1:31:18

that what's got me is I thought that it was pretty much uh we were aligned in the idea that

1:31:25

we shouldn't be judged by the color of our skin for instance by the content of our character like MLK said that's how I

1:31:31

grew up thinking like that and yeah I've just realized last three or four years that um the mod they're judging you by

1:31:38

the color of your skin of than the content of the character yeah yeah like I guess MLK is irrelevant now according

1:31:44

to them you know his his his ideas because he wasn't for that so uh it's

1:31:50

hypocritical you know for those that are attacking yeah white people uh it's it's

1:31:56

the same bigotry uh as if they were attacking black people or if they were attacking other groups just because of

1:32:03

of physical characteristics 100% yeah and normalizing the conversations I mean

1:32:09

it's a dance because people I I don't think they're able

1:32:14

to they're not able to hear it without jumping to

1:32:20

conclusions uh and I think the algorithms are really pushing that I mean I get called a trump supporter uh

1:32:27

all the time and I'm not a trump supporter you know I I like some of the things he did yeah but uh you know I got

1:32:33

called a right-wing Trump supporter and a leftwing libtard in the same week on a you know different posts really but um

1:32:39

that's interesting people jump to conclus combo oh yeah it's like that's kind of a compliment you know it's like

1:32:45

thank you yeah but um you know Society just jumps to those those conclusions

1:32:52

where you know I just I'm not aligned with bigotry right it's not I don't

1:32:57

believe in I think that's actually the problem when we put people in these groups and we use all the identity politics you're you're an independent

1:33:03

thinker oh yeah and this is um you know um this is a challenge because we do

1:33:09

live in polarizing times where things seem to be only getting more antithetical and the tribalism is only

1:33:16

accelerating so you know it's it's interesting

1:33:23

because I do often wonder like yeah maybe there's a a tribe I would rather have window you know and that's um

1:33:30

that's kind of where I am because I used to call myself a conservative this is like back in the day too like um especially when I was supporting Trump

1:33:36

at that time and um I'm still Pro Trump but I was uh now I'm at the point once I

1:33:42

saw all this hypocrisy on the ride and how they couldn't get together and how they were so uninvolved in the cultural

1:33:48

front for the most part I'm now like this anarcho capitalist kind of guy

1:33:54

something of that sort you know yeah um yeah I've been that before and sometimes I go back to it I'm not not exactly sure

1:34:01

what I am you know ultimately I just I just hate the government yeah that's a big part of it for me too well it's

1:34:06

interesting that those that are pushing for uh you know for all these laws and

1:34:14

all this uh push back against white people or different groups or men or

1:34:19

anything like that uh are asking for more government because it's really not just white people that

1:34:25

it's been the government that has been the cause of you know most of these atrocities yeah it's government

1:34:31

involvement that I'm that that to me is a real issue yeah yeah I think the state ruins everything including marriage oh

1:34:38

yeah you don't think the government should be uh involved in marriage no no yeah I I just have too

Government Involvement in Marriage, No Fault Divorce

1:34:45

many uh I hear too many stories from good men who are noble

1:34:53

basically got screwed over because date was involved yeah basically it's you know no fault divorce it just basically

1:34:59

penalizes fathers so that's the one thing that I the only men's issue that I can like kind of like

1:35:07

understand as like this you know these online communities and all this crap is uh protecting fathers to ensure their

1:35:14

posterity because they want to see their kids when divorce happens that's that's the one thing I can like totally

1:35:20

understand that's an example of something that's unfair yeah it's it's totally unfair um especially when what

1:35:25

80% of divorces are started by women I believe initiated by women and a number one reason is dissatisfaction wow

1:35:32

they're not satisfied they divorce they take your kids take take your money yeah um I have a friend I'm not going to name

1:35:38

him because he's he's big um he started uh not he started a a pretty big burger

1:35:45

franchise MH and um he did very well but he was is

1:35:51

a very uh hardworking he would describe himself this way too nerdy kind of guy he

1:35:57

studied hard in school he got his business degree hard like you know Aces

1:36:02

you know working hard kind of guy but he did not understand FAL nature at all he

1:36:08

like he pretty much just had his nose in the books so once he got the success uh the first beautiful woman

1:36:15

that gave him attention he thought was he was he thought it was love he thought it was like wow this beautiful like this

1:36:21

is this is it like I made it and but because he didn't have the experience to understand how they can be Medusa and

1:36:26

they can take advantage of you and he gave her a ring got her all the stuff and then when they separated it was he

1:36:33

took him to the cleaners so they were married yeah oh gosh he was just ignorant to understanding that that can

1:36:39

happen CU see cuz um when we don't talk about we should talk about the Dark Side

1:36:44

of men of course but if we don't talk about the Dark Side of woman this

1:36:49

happens and the more you understand Aesthetics which is my Mastery Aesthetics allows you to look through

1:36:57

that because you know in the same way um propaganda Works propaganda works by you

1:37:03

can wrap demonic hatred beautifully and the masses will normalize it for you right that's propaganda well in the same

1:37:10

way a woman can be gorgeous with her makeup and her body on

1:37:15

point but she can be a Lilith she can be a witch you know sure and and these kind

1:37:21

of stories is what makes me very tenacious about bringing the state involved and um and I've gotten the

1:37:28

chance to get married a couple times from girls who actually like basically proposed to me and I I just couldn't go

1:37:34

through with it you know yeah I I said we can be life partners and maybe think

1:37:40

about kids and all this but um I don't want to bring the government involved

1:37:45

yeah no it makes sense I mean the I mean you can do a pretty up of course uh

1:37:51

government still involved I I to prup don't stand though well it depends depends they can they can I mean you

1:37:57

think what like Kevin cner is doing pretty well right now uh there's you know you gota you got to have it set up

1:38:04

you know exactly you got to do a postnup also and you have to update it every uh couple years yeah Ian it's it's a whole

1:38:09

thing it can I I'm not saying that it's foolproof but I'm saying there's there's things that you can do to protect

1:38:14

yourself and you know you better know who you're marrying you know you better have shared values and yes you know I

1:38:21

often wonder what's wrong with loving a woman with all your heart she loves you with all your heart and then you guys

1:38:28

just live together mean no although common law marriage in Virginia where I'm at will happen after a while still

1:38:34

takes I don't think there's anything I don't think there's anything wrong with that I don't at all actually I think traditionally you see you know you see

1:38:40

marriage yeah married through the church and I think that we should we should have you know really strong families right now you look at like what's going

1:38:46

on in the black community it's pretty simple uh they're growing up without fathers 75 % of uh black kids right now

1:38:53

are growing up without fathers and that is a problem how do we fix that you know and you know if you look at the uh

1:39:00

everything that's happened over the last what 50 years or so um or actually even longer 60 years uh really when they

1:39:07

started welfare when all of that started um they actually incentivized people to not uh

1:39:13

be in a relationship so um yeah that's those are a lot of the issues

1:39:19

that that we're dealing with because there's not let's call it marriage or

1:39:25

some type of contract uh to keep people together well what I will say is um well

1:39:31

two things to that point you just made one is yes fathers are the most

1:39:37

important role that our society needs today by far like fathers will save the

1:39:44

world like literally dads are going to be what saves it um the patriarchy

1:39:49

patriarchy is nothing but bunch of dads um that's the first part but the

1:39:54

second thing is uh I'm I'm not like I'm not saying like like there's marriages at work you know my brother's happily

1:40:01

married uh but I'm just saying that the common average man is not incentivized

1:40:08

to marry sure oh I agree that's what I'm saying I totally agree with you yeah there's no incentive for for me to marry

1:40:14

yeah you know what I'm saying and also it's like for both the 80 and the 20% we talked about this 80% of men 20% of

1:40:21

right cuz for the 20% of men why buy the milk when you're getting cow when you're getting the milk for free right so

1:40:27

that's happening in one end and then for the unless you know they just want to start a family at one point and then the

1:40:33

80% of men they just feel like this isn't worth the effort so today in in

1:40:38

2023 again I'm just giving perspective on I know some truths can be harsh but

1:40:45

it's worth hearing it to be oriented towards what reality is today and I

1:40:50

think that's a current state of affairs like men just don't have incentive to get married we're not being given a good

1:40:55

reason to get married and of course we want kids we want our progeny but a lot

1:41:00

of men are they want that without bringing the government involved because they looked at their parents before them

1:41:06

with the 50% divorce rate of the Boomers as well and they're saying well it didn't work out that's what I saw so

1:41:11

they're kind of like how can I navigate this in a different way sure well I mean

Family, Genetic Posterity, Single Parent

1:41:17

we need to figure it out because what we don't want to lose is the family yeah you know uh do you have kids no no kids

1:41:25

okay do you want to have kids absolutely I have definitely I want to have kids too yeah because like you know the the

1:41:31

Christian side of me is like all of this is fairy dust if you don't have kids you

1:41:36

know be full multiply like there's that side of me but then I'm also like

1:41:42

um I I'm also honest enough to say you know I I recognize that I will have to

1:41:48

sacrifice a certain lifestyle and and my individuality um maybe not but you know

1:41:56

I like what I have going on right now too so sure yeah and as you get older you know things might change I I wasn't

1:42:02

sure for a long time if I was going to end but great thing about men is you can have kids much later yeah we're good

1:42:08

yeah it's not yeah in that regard yeah yeah yeah yeah you're not in a you know we're not in a rush yeah but um it makes

1:42:15

sense about uh you know not having the incentives but I also think that uh are

1:42:21

you gonna get married through the church or the or the state oh I don't even know I haven't really thought about I

1:42:27

mean uh I I what's I mean like as far as like uh

1:42:35

who would have control over the divorce or how like was that or or just know if get a divorce I I don't want to um um

1:42:43

you know go off the course too much but there's only one foolproof way to ensure your posterity which is

1:42:51

I don't know what women will agree to this but there is only one legal way to guarantee that you have your children

1:42:57

because women almost always get custody of their kids unless they're like drug addicts or have serious like mental issues uh they just get them you know I

1:43:05

have a friend Jeff younger shout out he was a he's a viral case where his wife

1:43:13

ex-wife took his kids and is trying to transition them and the kids are kind of

1:43:19

being coed into it with the therapist and yeah it's basically child abuse at

1:43:25

this point but the judges and the courts are still protecting what state is this in Texas

1:43:32

Texas and they're protecting it oh God what God dang a shocking this is what

1:43:38

I'm saying so both kids are just one like oh gosh she's no no no one of the boys okay but but she has both but this

1:43:44

is how bad it is where where a good man is literally stripped and and and when

1:43:51

she's doing this sort of situation on the children like um there's only one way and again I'm just going to say this

1:43:59

in passing but is if you want to guarantee it I don't know what woman will agree to this but if you fall in

1:44:05

love with a woman so you love this woman what you do is you sign her as a

1:44:11

surrogate because you love each other anyways right and ensure full custody of the children to you so that when the

1:44:18

divorce happens it'll you'll still have some percentage right because just because the way the courts are designed

1:44:24

but you'll have the kids interesting I'm just throwing that out there because no most people don't know they always think

1:44:29

like it's always losing battle well technically speaking that is is that the guy Jeff yeah that's my custody battle

1:44:34

helped ignite a movement against transitor healthc care kids will let carry him to the Texas house wow yeah he

1:44:41

was on Tucker and everything wow yeah good guy good man he he was gonna become or

1:44:49

he was gonna be let me tell you how Noble he was he was gonna become an Orthodox Christian monk you know because the whole Christian saying is either

1:44:56

become a creative monk or create a family obviously th those are polar extremes that they're using there're

1:45:01

some gray you know but they're basically saying you should go for one because in the middle is where there's degeneracy

1:45:07

you might get lost and lose who you are and he was going to go the monk route he said you know what I met this woman I'll

1:45:13

start a family uh oh wow Medusa came out I mean yeah just wonder like so she completely

1:45:20

you know fooled him this is what I'm saying yeah so this is a extreme situation but and this is in Texas yeah

1:45:27

it could happen the red State I think you got to have like I mean for me if I end up getting married uh you you got to

1:45:34

have full trust I mean I wouldn't do it without having complete trust and uh

1:45:40

because with I think that trust um you know that's how you build a stronger relationship so yeah you can get hurt

1:45:47

yeah they can go and take your kids and turn them into the trans kids you know this what the thing that people have to

1:45:53

think about that now but you got you better know the person that you're you're marrying and ultimately if they

1:45:59

end up fooling you and being somebody else that's on to me it's on them you know it's I got fooled but that's not as

1:46:05

long as the kids don't get hurt I would say that's the problem that's a good point yeah long as the kids don't get hurt go but yeah how would you know how

1:46:12

you know but too many kids are getting hurt yeah this is my point and and and and the data will show

1:46:19

you that um single fathers do way better at raising kids and single mothers really yes there's a lot more single

1:46:25

mothers out there though I mean they're having to deal with a lot more crap well well well well

1:46:31

um yeah H there's a lot of research that shows that single fathers um you know they they instill a

1:46:40

lot more discipline into into their children Fair yeah there just unfortunately the

1:46:46

fathers are the ones that leave you know for the most part too the mothers are are kept uh but also um you know like my

1:46:52

generation you know the millennial generation we're called a single motherhood generation when you look at the BLS like I have a friend who works

1:46:58

for the Bureau of Labor Statistics and DC and he's like yeah you know when we do data we we call you guys a single

1:47:05

motherhood generation and I remember so many stories of my peers just like

1:47:11

wondering where their dads were yeah but I don't think people talk enough about how the mother created this

1:47:18

narrative so that the children think of the Fathers as evil people who wanted

1:47:24

nothing to do with them if if they're bad mothers yes you know that's but we go back to good people or bad people to

1:47:31

me it's not good people are bad people but I'm also looking at it from the prism of an innocent child kids don't

1:47:37

have any judgment like like imprinted into them like this okay so you got to understand a lot of like I grew up with

1:47:43

both parents I never went through a divorce I actually they're they're both together I I have like the ideal bless

1:47:50

white pick offense nuclear inch family life I was very lucky in that regard yeah me too but I remember one of my

1:47:56

friends uh I can't say his name but um I remember he came up to me and he just

1:48:03

told me he's like you know what um this is crazy young man we're kids

1:48:09

kids little ones when he said this to me and he goes it's very simple like why don't I have a

1:48:16

dad and then I and then the the mother she goes well it's because your dad was

1:48:22

a bad man he goes well then why did you marry him this is a kid talking to the mom I

1:48:28

remember being there it was awkward and he goes she goes well because he was a

1:48:34

cloak chameleon who hid who he really was the whole time and in the moment you were born he changed into a different

1:48:40

thing that's basically what she was paraphrasing right MH and then so either now the mom has to make the child

1:48:47

believe that narrative sure to keep that relationship and this is something I've seen with my generation where it's like

1:48:54

of course there's fathers who leave and that's wrong there's a lot of them there's a lot of them but also it's

1:49:01

um you know there's it takes two to tango and for some reason we can't talk

1:49:07

about you know how the mothers may have pushed them away sure well yeah I think in relationships you know there there

1:49:15

could be it could be the mother it could be the father bad people on on both sides and definitely and who knows if

1:49:21

you know maybe the kid's father did turn into chameleon we could debate whether she should tell the kid that at what age

1:49:28

that's absence of judgment from her yeah probably you know but uh you know I

1:49:33

think that a lot of times these the women aren't wanting to raise their kids without a dad there's like different

1:49:39

sections and there's a lot of times where the woman files for divorce uh 80%

1:49:44

of the time the women Falls divorce and 80% takes the kids and takes uh takes the money that's that that goes on too I

1:49:51

mean I've Got Friends with custy battles and I look at how they both act I'm like come on man because both sides aren't

1:49:59

putting the kids first you know and you know I I understand it gets bitter and I

1:50:04

mean who like it's hard for me to judge when I haven't been through that and I

1:50:09

can only imagine how difficult it is kid I don't have a kid so I don't understand that what that that's like but you know you really do got to put that kid first

1:50:16

um whether you're a mother or a father I I still think that we need more fathers I mean if you look like the black I

1:50:22

think fathers are the solution but the bottom line is that I mean you're look what's happening in the black community

1:50:27

what's really happening you're lacking fathers which is that masculine energy yeah uh and you know and this is when I

1:50:33

realized you mentioned the black community this is when I realize it's fathers are the really the lack of

Consequences of Fatherlessness, Intelligence Quotient

1:50:40

fathers is the cause of all the problems in my opinion because when I go to South Korea I go every year because most of my

1:50:45

family is there and I remember thinking about how okay in the us we have all these races here and we have to try to

1:50:53

like homogenize and work with each other and it's it's a Melting Pot of cultures in that way as well because we

1:50:59

bring in different values to assimilate and I looked at South Korea and I'm like okay now let me look at

1:51:06

we're pretty much mainly East Asian here and I looked at all the kids who are still dealing drugs and doing crime

1:51:13

and doing property damage and in South Korea there aren black people they're

1:51:18

all raised by bre without fathers I was like like there's anytime

1:51:25

there's a universality it's an opportunity for your brain to recognize a pattern sure

1:51:30

and I realized right there I'm like yeah this is exactly what's happening with black America well it's almost like it's

1:51:35

by Design too it seems like it's by Design I mean we're talking about all the propaganda and stuff before but I

1:51:40

mean you know they do that and then they try to turn uh black people against

1:51:46

white people yeah um and you know they do that by or let's say black people uh

1:51:52

and liberal white people that say white people are the problem you know so they

1:51:59

make it a group that's the problem and not uh oh well you know it's not racism

1:52:05

that's causing the problems in America uh let's say that there were a lot of problems in America caused by racism for

1:52:11

a long time but that's kind of long and gone there are some racists out there

1:52:17

not that many I never really meet them yeah no me either yeah I mean that's the thing it's like find me a racist please

1:52:23

yeah yeah it's hard to yeah but um I could show you quickly who I would

1:52:28

consider racist on the other side you know not not nonwhite people people that

1:52:34

uh just hate white people oh oh like Don Lemon yeah there there's an example there you go um I mean that's uh a lot

1:52:43

of that movement is against like you were talking about earlier white men well it's it was wrong when way are

1:52:50

racist to uh black people and it's wrong when you're racist to white people it's

1:52:55

just wrong and um I think that Society is forgetting what Martin Luther King

1:53:01

said you know judge not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character that's what I believe in and

1:53:07

that's what I think that we need to do to build bridges in society being able to talk about having conversation I I appreciate that you know um I um yeah

1:53:15

that's what I focus on I want to go over a couple of the questions before we uh wrap it up we talked a lot more about

1:53:22

like dice yourself than ar oh I got Miss the manosphere part that's a big movement with young people right

1:53:27

now it's funny I went to a manosphere event and and like to speak public speak

1:53:33

and there was um uh all these pickup artists and all these

1:53:38

people I have nothing to do with any of you all yeah I'm here to talk about art history this is a men's event so I'll

1:53:44

talk about masculine art yeah it's so weird like the whole pick

1:53:50

up you know game and stuff seeing what they how they do it but I think like a

1:53:57

lot of what we're seeing right now in let's call it Society uh were on used to be on the

1:54:04

Internet or to people it was like you people couldn't really look into you I think it's has to do with quality now

1:54:11

over the quantity so um a lot of the pickup guys I'm sure they can go out and you know pick up chicks but I don't know

1:54:19

anything about pick up man yeah I don't yeah yeah I just um I just find those guys hilarious yeah yeah they're really

1:54:25

interesting like their whole life they Define their masculinity based on approval of the opposite sex that's

1:54:32

their whole prism it's just like you know it's like how can I peacock I'm

1:54:38

gonna dye my hair pink and make a mohawk it's like all right well do you

1:54:43

want to do that you know pretty wild stuff yeah just the

1:54:48

whole world like personally I love style I love fashion I love anything aesthetic yeah that's my life like whether it's

1:54:55

compositions and paintings and and looking at Museum like whatever it is like or whether it's style or or whether

1:55:02

it's architecture anything aesthetic that's my life so I love Aesthetics

1:55:08

myself but you should be doing it as a nucleus because it fits your identity

1:55:13

like you should be wearing clothes that reflects who you are as a person and how

1:55:19

it represents your values like that's how you should dress cuz then that's where you feel good whenever you put

1:55:24

your wardrobe together yeah you know no doubt what about Kanye with his ass out you SE those pictures yeah with the

1:55:30

recent the recent stuff I don't know what happened to him but he Le recently wore the Jew lives matter t-shirt at uh

1:55:37

when he walked out uh I don't know where he was again but um you know it's funny cuz like I really like Yay not because

1:55:44

he's intellectually sexy or he's but he's he's not boing the Frog he goes

1:55:51

all the way to the to the hottest temperature just and and then people question like why are you doing this and

1:55:58

he actually said something that was semi-round semi he said the reason why

1:56:03

is because I am not like a Jordan Peterson intellectual I'm not these kind of people I'm the battering ram I don't

1:56:09

mind if people hate me my role is to just be a big punch at the door so that the door opens and then everyone can

1:56:15

come in with their laser focus I said okay if he Embraces that role then what he did in all the trouble he's causing

1:56:23

that explains his history he sort of embraced being a battering ram yeah he doesn't want to be respected for his

1:56:29

intellect that's he's not really interested in that yeah he doesn't want he doesn't want that necessarily he

1:56:35

wants people to he wants to be a social function in a way like that's interesting um because he's so

1:56:41

influential impactful for young people at least but um yeah I mean um again for me because I'm a free speech absolutist

1:56:50

I will defend my enemy's right to speak or yay it doesn't matter who it is I will defend a person's right to speak

1:56:57

all the way down so but yeah he was dramatic with that white lives matter t-shirt we should

1:57:02

have been wearing those t-shirts man what was it White lives matter t-shirt yeah the whole thing man it's just it's

1:57:08

it's so intense with the I mean when it first started like you said when they were like I remember when it first

1:57:13

started I was tell GW it started this movement started during my undergrad

1:57:18

sure I was in the library and this girl comes in with these three other people just aggressively it's weird cuz there's

1:57:26

only one black person and the others were white people but anyways like do you think black lives matter I was like

1:57:32

yeah what kind of stupid question is that like well if you think it does you should stand here in solidarity with us

1:57:38

like no I'm here studying and then they're like okay then you're not against you're not with us

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I'm like all right there you go that tells me everything either this or that yeah yeah exactly um but it's all clown

1:57:50

movements man yeah you know and we're at the point where like we need to be able to you

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know I I know I'm it sounds odd when I say this but I want people to fully be themselves that's like my that's what I

1:58:02

love spreading more than anything except fat people though right I you I saw you said something on except people hold on

1:58:09

I want to read this up it just came to me yeah what what did you say about like a racist I am a fatest what did you say

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uh hold on pretty funny um good morning I have zero time for fat

1:58:24

people yeah what does that mean no I I just

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um I don't know um there that's a whole different kind of worms but but but um I

1:58:38

I've been noticing again to me like guys Aesthetics are everything to me okay and

1:58:45

I believe the Aesthetics of the particip participants tell you everything about the ideology

1:58:52

or their worldview so when I meet a like if I see a girl who has pink hair in a

1:58:57

septum piercing in thick bow glasses and is grossly overweight I know where she at where she probably stands probably y

1:59:05

yeah that's what I'm saying um nine times out of 10 I would guess right right because she has decided to Adorn

1:59:12

herself in a certain way that she could have done elsewhere so for me when I see

1:59:18

grossly over way people I'm not talking about chubby and all that you know what I mean like that's cool but like when I see like fat

1:59:24

people I think they don't they don't care about anything they don't care

1:59:29

about themselves first of all but they so how could they they care about anything moral which is even a

1:59:35

higher value you know and I'm not I'm judging their Humanity sure but but yeah

1:59:41

I I um yeah I guess that's my one bigoted put I thought I I thought it was a joke

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or something I was like oh it you know um have zero time I mean but is it do

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you have any Fat Friends uh kind of like I have like fat peers and collectors and all that I mean

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let me make clear like I don't I can understand a person being overweight a little bit I'm talking about like really I get obese but like you know there's I

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actually know some really cool really big big people um and I've you know also

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that's Twitter where people like there's like a hyperbolic quality where people say something more outlandish where they

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effect sure So like um often I get this where people meet me and they'll go like oh man you say some crazy stuff and I'm

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like yeah yeah you know it's like I might feel six out of 10 about an issue but I'm definitely going to Tweet it as

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a 10 got because then it's going to get retweeted yeah no but you know what I'm saying yeah yeah so so there's also the

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effect of being um saturated right so um you know

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of course um I hope people have have the

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humor to understand the context but um yeah you know it's it's better to be in

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shape you know I would say it's definitely healthier yeah yeah it's definitely healthier no it's uh I

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mean the thing with people that are dealing like obesity in way is an addiction I mean as far as how people

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eat I got some very obese people in my family yeah and they're all great people though um you know it's just I think

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it's like anything man personally uh where it's content of somebody's

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character um I mean I can make jokes but I'm always

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actually really careful because um you know that's that's one that kind of gets

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a pass and I don't like like look down like what you posted it doesn't bother me I just you know I do think about like

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people that are super overweight that are good people how you know they're like oh all of a sudden I can't now talk

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to Arthur which I would think that they actually could talk to you if they you

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and yeah I I I just finished a commission for one of my collectors and he's pretty overweight and um you know

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I'm glad he laughed at that because like we're friends sure I'm not saying like

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I'm not denigrating their Humanity sure but I do

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love Unapologetic open dialogue that's messy sometimes well yeah yeah yeah I

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think there's a place for that and I think that's actually sort of necessary

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for certain conversations to unfold properly sure because because the the

2:02:30

the Corel are is people being kind of uptight and rigid because they don't want they want to walk on EX shells well

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that's the world we're living in today exactly so I prefer to go the other way and sometimes it can be wrong but I'm

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not acting like I know everything I'm learning as I go and I'm just being authentic and straight up about it so um

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and right now seems like fat people are annoying you a little bit for whatever your thought process is and you'll

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probably like you know be like I love fat people come give I love I love all

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people man yeah I'm the same way I'm the same way I really do yeah um and uh no

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it's it's good though I mean I like that you're a uh you know absolutist with with speech um and you're actually

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standing up for a lot of the issues that I uh align with or may standing up against the issues um and uh you know in

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society right now we're not supposed to talk about a lot of the things that we talked about on this podcast and people

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can uh make any of the conclusions that they want about uh about it but um it's

2:03:37

got to start somewhere and that's actually one of the focuses of this podcast is being able to have

2:03:43

conversations but try to do it in a way that doesn't uh cause more more of a divide I

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feel like if I'm causing more of a divide then that's it's having a

2:03:55

negative effect I don't want to do that but do it in a way to bring you know people together because there's plenty

2:04:02

of things that are dividing us right now and I think it has to do with the the inability to be able to have

2:04:09

conversations that uh that are you not that this was uncomfortable I wasn't uncomfortable about any anything really

2:04:15

but um that you're not supposed to have because Society doesn't think that it's appropriate you know this would be

2:04:22

considered an inappropriate conversation to probably half of what we talked about would be considered inappropriate inappropriate talk about I'm very

2:04:27

inappropriate person but is there you know is there any validity to that we

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shouldn't talk about it because we have hate you know I know I don't have hate

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so I don't I don't hear what we need to do is end all the straw Manning yeah exactly like like like Ed clay can come

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up to a person and talk about I don't know like anything like water let's say

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and and then and then water and then that person can push back saying so you're saying that I'm I'm not filtering

2:04:57

my water properly or whatever it is and we're getting to a point where you know there's uh we need to raise Elevate

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discourse to good faith and we need to be willing to have conversations about

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everything and not language police yeah and I believe the reason why I've always had this Frame worldview is because I am

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an artist and I think as an artist you de facto are a free speech agent as well

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because you can only really create when you're in an open sort of State um or if

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you apply that across the board too um and yeah that's why um I appreciate you

2:05:40

having me on in there yeah thanks for coming on uh what's uh what's your website people can go see your see your

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art uh check me out at Arthur ky.com uh Instagram is Arthur kley as well um you

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can find my my email newsletter list on my everything actually my website Arthur

2:05:59

Colley everything is on the bottom you can just click and subscribe to everything and yeah if you guys want to put some beautiful art in your home

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from cancel find artist in the game you know AR thanks for being on the

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podcast thank you brother I appreciate you